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Winehole23
02-18-2009, 12:07 PM
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Saudi monarch credited with 'radical, fundamental changes' (http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=99451)
By Agence France Presse (AFP)

Wednesday, February 18, 2009




RIYADH: Saudi King Abdullah's government reshuffle is a full-scale assault on ultra-conservative Islamists who have locked up the country's education and justice systems, Saudi and foreign experts believe. More than three years after becoming king, 84-year-old Abdullah has moved to confront the challenge of a huge youth demographic that, if not provided with modern schooling and jobs, could become tinder for movements like Al-Qaeda, they said.
"These are radical and fundamental changes, which the Saudis have h<a for for a long time," Abdallah al-Oteibi, a specialist on Islamist groups, told AFP.


In his sweeping shake-up announced on Saturday, the king replaced four cabinet ministers, notably those for justice and education, and the head of nearly every key justice-related body. These institutions included the Supreme Judicial Council, the Ulema Council of the highest clerics, the consultative Shura Council, the Supreme Court, and Umm al-Qura, the Islamic university in Mecca.


While sacking the chief of the Muttawa morality police and naming Saudi Arabia's first-ever woman to ministerial rank grabbed the headlines, analysts say his education and justice changes were far more important.


"What the king has done is pretty amazing," said Christopher Boucek, an expert on Saudi Arabia at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington. "The king has been trying to force his will, the government's will on institutions that had been working independently," he told AFP.


His education appointments show Abdullah's seriousness in reforming a bureaucracy where conservatives had stymied efforts to bring curriculums into the 21st century, rid textbooks of passages demonising non-Muslims, and provide ample opportunities for women. The education system "had been dominated by radicals who were responsible for ideas of intolerance and extremism being taught to students," said political scientist Turki al-Hamad.


The new education minister is the king's son-in-law, Prince Faisal, whose previous job was number two in the intelligence directorate. His wife is Princess Adila, a leading force for women's rights and opportunities, modern education and health services and protection of children.


Named deputy minister was royal adviser Faisal bin Muaammer, who ran the Centre for National Dialogue which Abdullah has cannily used to raise and debate reform issues and thus identify capable reformers and points of resistance, analysts believe.


The new woman deputy education minister, Norah al-Fayez, is a veteran educationalist who has also fostered some of the agenda identified with Princess Adila.
Together all of them have years of experience dealing with the education system, a western expert in Riyadh said. "Now they know the structure, who are the problems," he added.


Ultimately, experts believe, Abdullah is completely conscious of the challenge of providing livings to a growing population that in 2006 was 33 percent aged 15 or less, and that requires education and jobs in modern industries to ensure future stability.


The king also took his broom to the justice system, almost completely controlled by clerics with free rein to interpret Islamic texts and tradition.
This left the system with no formal body of precedents, inconsistent definitions of crime and inconsistent punishments. It also allowed judges to ignore recently drafted laws on court procedure and defendants' rights.


The main replacement was of Sheikh Saleh al-Luhaidan, head of the Supreme Judicial Council for more than four decades. Its new head is Saleh bin Humaid, who as outgoing leader of the legislature-like Shura Council advanced the king's programme.


The Shura will now be led by outgoing justice minister Sheikh Abdullah al-Sheikh, another royal confidant whose job will be to guide the council in crafting legal reforms, analysts say.


Meanwhile a relative progressive was named to lead the Ulema Council, which will also include, for the first time, representatives of all four Sunni schools of religious law.


Previously only the ultra-conservative Hanbali school which dominates the Saudi version of Islam was represented.


Analysts believe the abruptness of Abdullah's shake-up came only after years of cautious study of what he wanted to do, and after making his general agenda known and watching what happened.


The king is "attacking rigidity of thought" in the government, said one westerner who has followed Saudi politics for years. "He wanted to change the policies and the people did not do it for him." - AFP

Cant_Be_Faded
02-18-2009, 11:57 PM
Just another of countless bandaids on a ruptured artery.

Winehole23
02-19-2009, 02:59 AM
Just another of countless bandaids on a ruptured artery.Regardless, it's a pretty dramatic change for Saudi Arabia.

Maybe you know something I don't. Care to share what led you to say what you did?

Cant_Be_Faded
02-19-2009, 12:12 PM
The saudi monarchy is a giant facade and they will do anything to stay in power. its only logical to assume they will try to make changes in an attempt to appease its people but when it comes down to it most people living in SA are going to forever hate its leaders and see them as patsies to the US.
This move, in fact, could very well be considered by many SA's to be yet another incident where the leaders did something the US would like them to do.


Shuffling around elected officials will not wash clean the memories the citizens have of the monarchy abusing its power in barbaric vicious ways.

101A
02-19-2009, 12:24 PM
84 years old.

Long live the King.

Please.

clambake
02-19-2009, 12:26 PM
84 years old.

Long live the King.

Please.

why?

101A
02-19-2009, 12:37 PM
why?


To give the changes he is trying to institute, and as described in the article, time to have some effect.

clambake
02-19-2009, 12:41 PM
To give the changes he is trying to institute, and as described in the article, time to have some effect.

if he's the only champion of change, then it doesn't matter.

let's be honest. if they weren't in our back pocket, they'd be on chavez level of disrespect.

that's the only difference that seperates america's love or hate.

101A
02-19-2009, 01:04 PM
if he's the only champion of change, then it doesn't matter.

let's be honest. if they weren't in our back pocket, they'd be on chavez level of disrespect.

that's the only difference that seperates america's love or hate.


I think we might be in each other's back pocket.

I assume the people he put in place share his goals for a less radical country; if they bring up the kids that way, it could help (no guarantees). Yes, I remember the dancing in the streets in SA on 9/11 - hoping things can move away from that. The article, though there is no guarantee, and quite possibly little hope, of success in the reforms, at least gives "some" hope. Taken for what it is, it is good news, and progress.

clambake
02-19-2009, 01:10 PM
the women in that country will never share the same freedoms as the women in the royal family. the most basic freedoms. it's just a cloak to cover the truth.

Trainwreck2100
02-19-2009, 01:14 PM
the women in that country will never share the same freedoms as the women in the royal family. the most basic freedoms. it's just a cloak to cover the truth.

that's not the royal family's fault

Winehole23
02-19-2009, 01:14 PM
the women in that country will never share the same freedoms as the women in the royal family. the most basic freedoms. it's just a cloak to cover the truth.Reform at bottom amounts to remystification, but a woman in official authority in Saudi -- even a royal -- is momentous for them. The inclusion of Sunni sects other than the Hambali is even more so.

clambake
02-19-2009, 01:22 PM
that's what i said.

they're running on a treadmill.

Winehole23
02-19-2009, 03:31 PM
The saudi monarchy is a giant facade and they will do anything to stay in power. its only logical to assume they will try to make changes in an attempt to appease its people but when it comes down to it most people living in SA are going to forever hate its leaders and see them as patsies to the US.

This move, in fact, could very well be considered by many SA's to be yet another incident where the leaders did something the US would like them to do.Maybe. But maybe young people in SA will appreciate a society that is less rigidly theocratic, too.