Spurs and the trade Deadline

[galvatron3000]

I am getting very curious to see if the Spurs pull off any trade(s) before the deadline. Before I was thinking they would make some kind of move albeit last minute but a move non the less but as time approaches I'm thinking nothing may transpire. I do think most of the reports are smoke screen plays that the Spurs are using as a ploy but this economic turmoil may change the game for the Spurs franchise now and the near future.

I still trust there is a move in the works ( truly expect Udoka to be moved) but it's significance may be the equilvilent of watching snails mate.

I'm anxious just to see what transpires at the end of the deadline, moves will be made last minute by a number of teams or atleast attempts. What do you think?

[xtremesteven33]

thanks for the reminder

[byrdman31]

theres trade talk :wow










but really, if we make any trade it better be a big, we don't NEED anything else

[TheProfessor]

I'm more interested to see how pissed people are when the Spurs don't make a move, or make a relatively minor one (as you say, dumping Udoka).

[galvatron3000]

I'm more interested to see how pissed people are when the Spurs don't make a move, or make a relatively minor one (as you say, dumping Udoka).

I'm just impatient waiting to see what happens

[Amuseddaysleeper]

dumping Udoka would be huge.

He's just dead weight.

[coyotes_geek]

Certainly no one is going to complain if Udoka could be used in a trade that brought back somebody better, but how would just dumping the guy be huge? He's not hurting anything. Cheap contract, not any kind of an attitude problem. He's just end of the bench roster fodder that doesn't help or hurt anything. Again, got no beef if the Spurs can turn him in to something better, but I don't think anyone in the F.O. is saying "if we could just get rid of Ime"........

[Holt's Cat]

The Spurs always listen and always look for an opportunity around trade time. What makes this trade deadline different is that there are teams looking to fire sale some talent the Spurs wouldn't otherwise have a shot at landing.

[Thomas82]

The Spurs always listen and always look for an opportunity around trade time. What makes this trade deadline different is that there are teams looking to fire sale some talent the Spurs wouldn't otherwise have a shot at landing.

Not to mention, not having enough of the pieces to give up to get some of that talent.

[djohn2oo8]

do the spurs have anymore Scola like players that they would be willing to trade???

[Bartleby]

do the spurs have anymore Scola like players that they would be willing to trade???

They have rights to Splitter.

[coyotes_geek]

do the spurs have anymore Scola like players that they would be willing to trade???

Tiago Splitter, but the Spurs aren't going to give him up unless the Rockets will cough up someone who will at least come to San Antonio for a margarita before vanishing forever.

[gingerwave]

dumping Udoka would be huge.

He's just dead weight.

Heavy dead weight. :flag:

[TheSpursFNRule]

POSTED: Feb. 18 -- 7:24 p.m. ET

http://a.espncdn.com/i/headshots/nba/players/65/125.jpg
Camby

J.A. Adande: The chances of Marcus Camby (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=125) going to Cleveland have dropped because it will take a greater lure than Wally Szczerbiak (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=831)'s expiring contract for the Clippers to send Camby eastward. The Clippers say they aren't in salary dump mode, and that any deal would have to improve their team. Camby for Szczerbiak doesn't fit that category.
Now if Cleveland or any other team wanted to take Chris Kaman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1982)'s contract off their hands, that would get the Clippers interested.



Landing Kaman would be nice....but it won't happen.

[jacobdrj]

Manu and TP for Shaq... straight up...

[TheSpursFNRule]

Manu and TP for Shaq... straight up...

so we can enjoy Shaq for 2 years at most.....

[jacobdrj]

so we can enjoy Shaq for 2 years at most.....

And the best part is, the Spurs won't have anyone at the meaningless PG position, and stress taken off who starts at the SF...


FOR 2 YEARS!!!


[/sarc]

[jacobdrj]

Looks like we are gonna sit tight and claim second or third in the west.

Ain't nothing wrong with that...


Spurs/Nuggets WCF? It could happen, I think...

[urunobili]

Kaman or Nocioni would be the ones of my choice...

[urunobili]

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/02/18/bulls.kings.trade/index.html

Aldridge: Bulls to land Salmons, Miller for Nocioni, Gooden

By David Aldridge, TNT analyst
Posted Feb 18 2009 7:34PM

The Sacramento Kings are the latest NBA team to engage in cost-cutting moves that will pare money from the team's books next season.

The Kings agreed on Wednesday to a trade that sends forward John Salmons and center Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls in exchange for forwards Drew Gooden and Andres Nocioni, according to league sources. The deal will reduce Sacramento's obligations next season, saving the Kings millions on the salary cap and keeping them well under any potential luxury tax payments. Gooden, making $7.15 million this season, will likely come off the team's cap after this year, and now, the team is free of the $5.4 million due to Salmons in 2009 and the $12 million due to Miller in '09.

This will be Miller's second go-round in Chicago; he played two-plus seasons in Chicago after being traded from Charlotte in 2000 before being dealt to Indiana in a trade that also sent Ron Artest to the Pacers in exchange for Jalen Rose.

Sacramento will absorb the remaining four years and $28.4 million on Nocioni's contract, but Nocioni's contract actually goes down after next season, when he's scheduled to make $7.5 million, to $6.8 million in 2010 and $6.6 million in 2011 before going back up to $7.5 million in the final season -- a season that will be the Kings' option to pick up.

[K-State Spur]

If Manu is out for the year, the team should NOT(!) do much at the deadline. That doesn't mean to ignore a good deal to be had if it's out there. But you don't gut the team or give up anything of value at that point.

Without a healthy Manu, there is not a deal out there that would put this team over the Lakers in the West. There are deals that could be made IN ADDITION to Manu, but no deals that would serve as a substitute.

It would suck to become an also-ran in what has been one of Duncan's finest years, but you're better off re-gearing for next fall than making a desperation move that wouldn't change the balance of power anyways.

[K-State Spur]

Im shocked that Joe D isnt looking at dealing Sheed and AI for future picks or something. You guys are gonna lose both for likely nothing.

cap space != nothing. this isn't baseball, there is a reason that A LOT of teams trade FOR expiring contracts.

[GSH]

I just got an e-mail from a buddy who is peripherally connected to the Bobcats. He insists that Raja Bell is seriously being shopped, and that the Spurs have expressed interest. That doesn't mean much, I know. But I thought Bell was off the market, and that much apparently isn't true.

All these trade rumors are long shots, but he would be a good addition IMO.

[xtremesteven33]

Bell > Finley + Udoka combined

[spursncowboys]

Manu and TP for Shaq... straight up...

:lmao

[coyotes_geek]

I just got an e-mail from a buddy who is peripherally connected to the Bobcats. He insists that Raja Bell is seriously being shopped, and that the Spurs have expressed interest. That doesn't mean much, I know. But I thought Bell was off the market, and that much apparently isn't true.

All these trade rumors are long shots, but he would be a good addition IMO.

Makes sense given how the Spurs D hasn't been that good this year. Fab+Ime for Bell works. But all that does is save the Bobcats a little bit of cash. Not sure that's enough. Then again, I'm not really sure what the Bobcats think their plan is anyways. With MJ calling the shots, who the hell knows.

[SouthTexasRancher]

If Manu is out for the year, the team should NOT(!) do much at the deadline. That doesn't mean to ignore a good deal to be had if it's out there. But you don't gut the team or give up anything of value at that point.

Without a healthy Manu, there is not a deal out there that would put this team over the Lakers in the West. There are deals that could be made IN ADDITION to Manu, but no deals that would serve as a substitute.

It would suck to become an also-ran in what has been one of Duncan's finest years, but you're better off re-gearing for next fall than making a desperation move that wouldn't change the balance of power anyways.


How about Pop, RC & Holt going after a trade for someone like

Tayshuan Prince who is just 28 years old? $9.5 mil/ 3 yr contract

13.7 ppg - 6.5 rpg - 3.3 apg and plays defense!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...?playerId=1724 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1724)

OR

Richard 'Rip' Hamilton who is 31 years old and now has to come off the bench because of AI. $10.8 mil/ 5 yr contract

17.5 ppg - 2.9 rpg - 3.6 apg

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...e?playerId=294 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=294)

and not even have to give up Mason or Manu.

We give up Udoka, Vaughn, Finley, Bowen and either Oberto or Thomas and since the Pistons are several $ million above the limit, they could release one or more of the Spurs if Detroit is really intent on clearing cap space and wanting to go younger. We'd get a guy who would easily fit into Pop's system and we'd hardly miss a beat by playoff time.

Course Detroit would most likely nix this trade in a heartbeat unless we give them Mason or possibly Hill. Finley might ok it since he is from that neck of the woods (around the bend in Melrose Park, Il.). Udoka is young. Vaughn could be a 12th man/player coach or use him as an assistant coach to clear more cap room. I doubt at Bowen's, KT's and Oberto's age they'd want to keep any or all, especially since each are in the $4mil. range, so we might get one of them back for one more playoff run.

One thing for sure is if Manu is gone for the season Pop & RC have to do some kind of trade unless they plan to tank the season and go for the Lottery, which I highly doubt.

According to ESPN's Trade Machine either trade would work.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

On the other hand to get either Sheed or Vince Carter, we will have to give up too many players including Mason or Manu depending on which of the above trades we tried (Mason in the Sheed deal and Manu in the VC deal )which would be stupid at this point. But, if we stick with our present lineup, minus Manu, then we'll be up a creek without a paddle come playoff time. This team, even with a healthy Manu will have a difficult enough time when we go up against the Lakers. We would have to be totally healthy, playing at the top of our game and hope like hell we don't get refs like Joey 'The Dickhead' Crawford, which rest assured that Dipshit Stern will make sure Crawford officiates as many Spurs games as possible.

Then again knowing Pop keeps secrets as tight as Osama bin Laden keeps his present location from the rest of the world outside of the Taliban and al Qaeda, then we will likely see no trade at all or something off the wall like bringing DRob, Sean, Avery, The Iceman and Horry out of retirement and sending guys like Udoka to a new 'Z' League in Siberia.

[coyotes_geek]

Aren't Prince & Hamilton the two guys Dumars is trying to build around?

[wisnub]

I am getting very curious to see if the Spurs pull off any trade(s) before the deadline. Before I was thinking they would make some kind of move albeit last minute but a move non the less but as time approaches I'm thinking nothing may transpire. I do think most of the reports are smoke screen plays that the Spurs are using as a ploy but this economic turmoil may change the game for the Spurs franchise now and the near future.

I still trust there is a move in the works ( truly expect Udoka to be moved) but it's significance may be the equilvilent of watching snails mate.

I'm anxious just to see what transpires at the end of the deadline, moves will be made last minute by a number of teams or atleast attempts. What do you think?

I think spurs is trying..but i doubt it will ever happen. The fact is Spurs is extremely sucks like virgin got DP when it comes to trading big names. Even Magette thinks its much better playing with loser team rather than playing for SA

[galvatron3000]

Well, I'm glad the Spurs held on to Mason and Hill and didn't break up the Big 3 (which I never thought they would) They can ride the season with this unit and perhaps get lucky but for the future they have pieces worth keeping and building around. This summer Artest and R. Wallace will be available and either of those guys are worth the Spurs offering a few millions too if those guys are willing to come and take less, Wallace being the more likely although some contender is sure to extend him more money than us. All in all no trade was worth given up future flexiblity and development of young talent and with the economy crumbling, no trade is a good trade. We have 1 roster spot open too though no one is available at the moment, lol.

[chreph]

Well, I'm glad the Spurs held on to Mason and Hill and didn't break up the Big 3 (which I never thought they would) They can ride the season with this unit and perhaps get lucky but for the future they have pieces worth keeping and building around. This summer Artest and R. Wallace will be available and either of those guys are worth the Spurs offering a few millions too if those guys are willing to come and take less

I was on the fence about trading our "future" at first but the bottom line is there is no "future" as far as championships go once Duncan is gone. It is/was pointless to baby our future like we're OKC/Memphis/Portland. The Spurs needed to do whatever they could to try and squeeze 1 or 2 more titles over the next 2-3 years but couldn't swallow the luxury tax. Also, I'm tired of the whole "if _____ is willing to take less $$ to come here in the offseason" pipedream. Unless the "_____" in question is WAAAAYYY over the hill and nothing more than a marginal role player (finley, van exel, etc), it never pans out. We're not getting Sheed for mid-level exemption money. The only chance we had to bring in someone still playing at an all-star level was by eating some luxury tax dollars at the trade deadline this year. Now we've just got to hope that Manu can go longer than 60 days without a severly hampering injury and that the Lakers fall apart :depressed