Cavs want Shaq

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

:wow Shaq and Lebron ....... good for the West if Shaq leaves

[xtremesteven33]

haha good timing :tu

[IronMexican]

That'd be scary.

[lil_penny]

hows it good for the west? i dont see anyone beating the cavs in the finals if this happens... that is as long as shaq keeps playing the way he has been wich i expect him to do.

[Thunder Dan]

Shaq is only a minor upgrade from Ben Wallace

[024]

shaq and james vs. kobe and his minions in the finals? makes for a great storyline. do it stern. tell phoenix to make the trade.

[Red Hawk #21]

It would be over for the Nba if that ever happened

[IronMexican]

Yeah, Stern is definitely nutting himself at the possibility of Shaq and LBJ vs Kobe. It would be awesome.

[xtremesteven33]

Tim Duncan vs Shaq in the Finals???


Id pay to watch.

[Thunder Dan]

I'm just happy to hear that the Cavs could have had Boozer and they said they didn't want him

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Suns have made it pretty clear they're standing pat at the deadline so I doubt this happens.....plus Shaq's put the Kobe nut hugging on hold and is actually talking about the team he's on.

[sribb43]

The Suns have made it pretty clear they're standing pat at the deadline so I doubt this happens.....plus Shaq's put the Kobe nut hugging on hold and is actually talking about the team he's on.

if Sarver can save millions, don't put it past him to make a deal

[IronMexican]

If the Lakers got eliminated in the playoffs, I would root for Cleveland(Assuming they land Shaq) just so I can shut all the Shaq haters up at CL.

[Thunder Dan]

The Suns have made it pretty clear they're standing pat at the deadline so I doubt this happens.....plus Shaq's put the Kobe nut hugging on hold and is actually talking about the team he's on.

the Suns would love to get rid of Shaq and that contract, don't kid yourself

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

the Suns would love to get rid of Shaq and that contract, don't kid yourself

The Suns wouldn't trade Shaq for garbage.....don't kid yourself. Sarver is still trying to maintain the image of believing the Suns are contenders. Contenders don't trade all star centers for nothing.

[scanry]

If the Lakers got eliminated in the playoffs, I would root for Cleveland(Assuming they land Shaq) just so I can shut all the Shaq haters up at CL.

I know you like Shaq, but that's not going to happen. I really see LA going all the way this year. Too much depth. I have never seen a team stacked with so much depth before.

[Thunder Dan]

The Suns wouldn't trade Shaq for garbage.....don't kid yourself. Sarver is still trying to maintain the image of believing the Suns are contenders. Contenders don't trade all star centers for nothing.
your not a contender, don't kid yourself

[sribb43]

The Suns wouldn't trade Shaq for garbage.....don't kid yourself. Sarver is still trying to maintain the image of believing the Suns are contenders. Contenders don't trade all star centers for nothing.

im sure Sarver would love to have Marion's expiring contract back

[Indazone]

ohhh that would be Ugly. Shaq instead of Big Z? Lebron lighting it up from the wing and a revitalized Shaq in the post? It's over. Just give them their ring.

[xtremesteven33]

If i were the Suns i do this trade. But i also ask for Verejao. I can see him thriving in the Suns offense.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

your not a contender, don't kid yourself

I didn't say they were, learn to read. I'm well aware they aren't a contender, but Sarver is still trying to convince fans they are a contender. Shaq for garbage is waiving a white flag, something Sarver will never do.

Please don't put words in my mouth idiot.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But i also ask for Verejao. I can see him thriving in the Suns offense.

Then you should lay off the crack. Verejao will never thrive anywhere. He's a useless scrub.

[IronMexican]

I know you like Shaq, but that's not going to happen. I really see LA going all the way this year. Too much depth. I have never seen a team stacked with so much depth before.

I hope you are right. Nothing is guaranteed in this league, though.

[lil_penny]

then you should lay off the crack. Verejao will never thrive anywhere. He's a useless scrub.


x2

[Thunder Dan]

deal is done. Cavs win Championship

[Red Hawk #21]

Then you should lay off the crack. Verejao will never thrive anywhere. He's a useless scrub.

:hat

[Dex]

Cavs In On Shaq

Feb 19, 2009 11:58 AM EST

The Cavaliers have offered Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic to the Suns for Shaquille O'Neal, according to sources close to Brian Windhorst.

Such a trade works under the salary cap rules but would not, by itself, bring the Suns below the luxury tax threshold this year or next.

According to ESPN, this deal has been discussed but is a long ways away from being completed and is described as unlikely.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57395/20090219/cavs_in_on_shaq/

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

deal is done. Cavs win Championship

prove it.

[Ghazi]

Cavs winnin a 'ship regardless of whether Shaq's fat lazy ass is ridin the coattails of da King.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Lemme guess, the "inside source" said so.

[sribb43]

Done Deal: Shaq to Cavs
Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM EST

AP - The Cavs have acquired Shaquille O'neal from the Suns for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic, according to sources close to Brian Windhorst.

[Thunder Dan]

it will end up being Wally and Sasha, Ferry is just lowballing the Suns right now becuase he knows how desperate they are to move Shaq's contract. That is why there hasn't been much movement, around the deadline he will offer Wally and it will be a done deal

[kcplayboi_26]

what? the cavs have aquired ben wallace and sasha from the suns????lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

post a link please, if this is true Ima be fuckin mad.

[pauls931]

If shaq goes to cleveland, the suns fans should drag kerr and sarver into the street and lynch them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Done Deal: Shaq to Cavs
Feb 19, 2009 12:40 PM EST

AP - The Cavs have acquired Shaquille O'neal from the Suns for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic, according to sources close to Brian Windhorst.


Do you expect anyone to believe this when no major news source is reporting it?

[kcplayboi_26]

post a link please, if this is true Ima be fuckin mad.

+1 last i heard suns didnt want wallace and wanted cavs to throw in wally for the deal to get done.....

[Dex]

.

Let's see a link for that fake report there, skippy.

[sribb43]

Do you expect anyone to believe this when no major news source is reporting it?

of course not...when was the last time the AP was the first to report a NBA trade

[Thunder Dan]

I'm telling you, it's a low ball offer

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

+1 last i heard suns didnt want wallace and wanted cavs to throw in wally for the deal to get done.....

We'll see....Sarver should burn in hell if Shaq is trade for one of Cleveland's garbage packages they are offering.

[sribb43]

We'll see....Sarver should burn in hell if Shaq is trade for one of Cleveland's garbage packages they are offering.

would it surprise you though?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'm telling you, it's a low ball offer

I don't understand why Ferry would offer this trade knowing Kerr won't do it and allegedly knowing he would do it for Wally, why wouldn't he just offer Wally now?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

would it surprise you though?

Yes it would since AZcentral had an article today saying the Suns are def. standing pat.

[Thunder Dan]

I don't understand why Ferry would offer this trade knowing Kerr won't do it and allegedly knowing he would do it for Wally, why wouldn't he just offer Wally now?

because we are going to take another player from the Suns too. Probably Barbosa or whatever other young talent you have there

[sribb43]

Sarver f'ed the Suns organization. He never wanted to pay for a bench and would trade draft picks, etc....could have had Nate Robinson, Rondo or Rudy, dumping Kurt Thomas and rolling with Brian Skinner

[ginobili's bald spot]

If the Cavs can really get him for Wally of course they would do that. Fucking Suns better not screw everyone over by making this trade.








Please don't be true. :(

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

because we are going to take another player from the Suns too. Probably Barbosa or whatever other young talent you have there

OK whatever. Your inside source was so spot on about Amare this must be true.

[Red Hawk #21]

If this happens we might as well start saying this : "Cleveland Cavaliers 2009 Nba Champs" and "2010 Nba Champs" and "2011 Nba Camps"

[kcplayboi_26]

Sarver f'ed the Suns organization. He never wanted to pay for a bench and would trade draft picks, etc....could have had Nate Robinson, Rondo or Rudy, dumping Kurt Thomas and rolling with Brian Skinner

Tim Thomas????

[sribb43]

Tim Thomas????

he did sign for the minimum after being bought out but i must give Sarver credit, he did dip into his wallet and shell out most of the MLE for Marcus Banks

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Joe Johnson was by far worse than any of that.

[Dex]

If this happens we might as well start saying this : "Cleveland Cavaliers 2009 Nba Champs" and "2010 Nba Champs" and "2011 Nba Camps"

Come on now. Shaq is still playing well for his age, even well enough to where he would make the Cavs a scarier team.

But this isn't the Shaq of old we're talking about, and he won't keep this pace up forever.

[sribb43]

Joe Johnson was by far worse than any of that.

you are right on that one, how could i forget that

[stretch]

Come on now. Shaq is still playing well for his age, even well enough to where he would make the Cavs a scarier team.

But this isn't the Shaq of old we're talking about, and he won't keep this pace up forever.

yes, but keep in mind... he would be the second, maybe third option behind Lebron, and maybe Mo Williams. He would have so many easy, open looks, and it will be in a half court set, which he clearly thrives much more in. it would make it a lot harder to double lebron, as well as shaq, not to mention they still got Mo Williams running lose, as well as Delonte West.

[IronMexican]

The Cavs don't need Shaq.

[stretch]

The Cavs don't need Shaq.

i agree. but he would definitely help them a lot, by giving them a legit post presence.

[Dex]

yes, but keep in mind... he would be the second, maybe third option behind Lebron, and maybe Mo Williams. He would have so many easy, open looks, and it will be in a half court set, which he clearly thrives much more in. it would make it a lot harder to double lebron, as well as shaq, not to mention they still got Mo Williams running lose, as well as Delonte West.

Shaq never seemed to work well as a third option.

It's hard to see Lebron/Williams/Shaq being a whole lot better than Nash/Stoudemire/Shaq.

But I still don't think we'll ever know for sure.

[pauls931]

Shaq never seemed to work well as a third option.

It's hard to see Lebron/Williams/Shaq being a whole lot better than Nash/Stoudemire/Shaq.

But I still don't think we'll ever know for sure.

They might have the same problem amare has, shaq may clog the lane making it harder for lebron to get to the hoop.

[stretch]

Shaq never seemed to work well as a third option.

It's hard to see Lebron/Williams/Shaq being a whole lot better than Nash/Stoudemire/Shaq.

But I still don't think we'll ever know for sure.

different systems make a HUGE difference

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

They might have the same problem amare has, shaq may clog the lane making it harder for lebron to get to the hoop.

That's only a problem when Porter was coach.

[Dex]

different systems make a HUGE difference

True, Alvin Gentry is proving that in Phoenix right now.

[pauls931]

That's only a problem when Porter was coach.

I thought it was all amare's fault...

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I thought it was all amare's fault...

It is but Gentry is able to find ways around it because he knows Amare's strengths.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Where's the Shaq trade ThunderDan?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

POSTED: Feb. 19 -- 2:47 p.m. ET

J.A. Adande: I've been told Shaq isn't going anywhere.

[Thunder Dan]

we don't need any of those losers in Phoenix. We are 41-11, well on our way to a long run in the playoffs, no use in adding any losers from a crap team to mess things up

[Ghazi]

Suns beat the muthafuckin Clippers twice and DoK suddenly thinks theyre the 95-96 Bulls.

[Thunder Dan]

POSTED: Feb. 19 -- 2:47 p.m. ET

J.A. Adande: I've been told Shaq isn't going anywhere.

I love how you hate all of your players, but love them once they get involved in trade talks. If you want Shaq in your new system with that giant contract then maybe you are not a Suns fan after all

The Suns are what they are- a decent team that will get ousted in the first round. They are the Washington Wizards

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I was wrong, you were right, sorry. You know more than the 15 year old who claims to be an inside source

Apology accepted.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Suns are what they are- a decent team that will get ousted in the first round. They are the Washington Wizards

God you must have not realized the Cavaliers have a more pathetic franchise history than the Suns or else you wouldn't be so cocky, then again you started watching them in 2003.

[gaKNOW!blee]

owned. ^^

[Ghazi]

^ Cavs got the muthafuckin King though, Suns got an aged roster.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I love how you hate all of your players, but love them once they get involved in trade talks.

I can't stand Amare but I'd take him over the glorified Craig Smith JJ Hickson.


And I've always been a huge Shaq fan.

[Thunder Dan]

haha you are so childish. I actually laughed aloud from those last 2 posts

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

^ Cavs got the muthafuckin King though, Suns got an aged roster.

Idk how someone that hasn't won a title or MVP can be the muthafuckin king.

[Thunder Dan]

I can't stand Amare but I'd take him over the glorified Craig Smith JJ Hickson.


And I've always been a huge Shaq fan.

yeah he dominates that run-n-gun style. I'd pay him 20mil to run it too


and the 'souce' wasn't the guy that broke this, it was every media outlet

[Ghazi]

Idk how someone that hasn't won a title or MVP can be the muthafuckin king.

He'll win both this year :toast

[Red Hawk #21]

it will end up being Wally and Sasha, Ferry is just lowballing the Suns right now becuase he knows how desperate they are to move Shaq's contract. That is why there hasn't been much movement, around the deadline he will offer Wally and it will be a done deal

Epic Fail, :whine

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

haha you are so childish.

And you're so stupid so I'm forced to talk down to your level. I try doing my best but forgive me.

[Thunder Dan]

And you're so stupid so I'm forced to talk down to your level. I try doing my best but forgive me.

nice- another zinger

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

yeah he dominates that run-n-gun style. I'd pay him 20mil to run it too

He's sure better than Washed up Wallace or Wally "I couldn't hit water if I fell out of a boat" Szcerbiak.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

nice- another zinger

good, now you're starting to understand.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Since my inner cockiness is flowing right now because I made Thunder Dan my bitch, lemme take a quote from Amare's book:


I AM THE MAN!!!!

[Ghazi]

Sooooooo... where the fuck da muthafuckin trades @?

Raef and Wally just gon sit there expirin?!

NOBODY in da WEst gonna atleast make an attempt to dethrone the Lakers!?

Hornets willin to pay dat luxury tax?!

[Red Hawk #21]

Sooooooo... where the fuck da muthafuckin trades @?
Raef and Wally just gon sit there expirin?!

NOBODY in da WEst gonna atleast make an attempt to dethrone the Lakers!?

Hornets willin to pay dat luxury tax?!

:lol

[Thunder Dan]

Since my inner cockiness is flowing right now because I made Thunder Dan my bitch, lemme take a quote from Amare's book:


I AM THE MAN!!!!

:rollin

[kcplayboi_26]

since my inner cockiness is flowing right now because i made thunder dan my bitch, lemme take a quote from amare's book:


I am the man!!!!

and one!!!!!!!!!!!

[scanry]

Since my inner cockiness is flowing right now because I made Thunder Dan my bitch, lemme take a quote from Amare's book:


I AM THE MAN!!!!


:lol:lol:lol

:toast:toast:toast:toast

[Thunder Dan]

for the record, I was laughing at him for such a lame joke, not with him

[Red Hawk #21]

"I Am The Man!" Lol

[Jeremy]

There were no trades made by the Suns: http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/46609

[Red Hawk #21]

There were no trades made by the Suns: http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/46609

Thank You Jeremy for telling us things we did not know.

[Banzai]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/Rumsfeld_Origami.gif (http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/Rumsfeld_Origami.gif)

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

for the record, I am DOK's bitch

[Ghazi]

Mutha

Fuckin

Fleeced

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Thank You Jeremy for telling us things we did not know.

What's funny is he gave us news we already via a Paul Coro article, a journalist who loves news that was news 24 hours beforehand.

[Tradition]

Cavs will make it to the ECF but with the team they have now...they arent good enough to win it all. They didnt get that one last piece they needed. They have a solid chance vs the Celts but even that series could go either way.

[Pelicans78]

I think Boston is in trouble. They didn't replenish their bench. I think it will cost them against Cleveland.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Cavs will make it to the ECF but with the team they have now...they arent good enough to win it all. They didnt get that one last piece they needed. They have a solid chance vs the Celts but even that series could go either way.

They'll beat Boston but will get killed by LA. Boston is not a factor IMO.

[Robinho]

shaq staying

good

[pauls931]

shaq staying

good

I was worried they were going to trade shaq to LA for luke walton and some lottery tickets.

[cobbler]

I was worried they were going to trade shaq to LA for luke walton and some lottery tickets.

No way Shaq goes to LA... Not even for Luke.

No need for the big Hypocrite.

[Ghazi]

Boston's bench will get help if Joe Smith gets bought out and signs with them.

[Thunder Dan]

Boston's bench will get help if Joe Smith gets bought out and signs with them.

from my understanding, if he gets bought out the Cavs will go after him aswell, and have their MLE so can offer more money

[Rogue]

Mavs want shaq too. shaq will definitely be a upgrade at our 5 spot, and we have enough garbage contracts to make this trade feasible. Dampier+stack for him seems a good trade for both teams, I would rather even put in Josh Howard in subtitution for stack than do nothing before the deadline.

[duncan228]

SI.com Writers' Roundtable. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/basketball/nba/02/20/writers.roundtable/index.html)

2. Would Shaquille O'Neal have been a good fit for the Cavaliers?

Ian Thomsen: It is an inspired thought. He would fit their pace of play, he would be a threat to pass or score out of the low post and he would turn Zydrunas Ilgauskas into the most dominant backup center of the postseason. The problem is in the timing. The Cavs would have be forced to change their style of play at both ends -- offensively the paint would be more crowded, altering LeBron James' routes to the basket -- and they would have had only two months to make it work before the playoffs. The Cavs think they have a championship team already. They can go through the playoffs, see how they do and then revisit a trade for Shaq this summer.

Jack McCallum: For sure. You ever see Shaq fool around with LeBron during All-Star weekend? They are extremely simpatico. LeBron plays well with a lighthouse-type center, someone who is relatively stationary but is nevertheless indomitable and reliable, as Shaq is. He's still much better than Zydrunas Ilgauskas, even though Z is pretty good. Shaq would've been fired up at the thought of getting into another championship round, and he's had a good season anyway. It would've been very interesting to see that deal go down.

Chris Mannix: It would have been a risk. Shaq has never been an easy guy to work in midseason; just ask Mike D'Antoni. And Cleveland has been a well-oiled machine this season, so there would have been bumps in the road. But there are two reasons why this trade would have worked. First, this season we have seen a rejuvenated Shaq, who looks and sounds eager to win another ring before he retires. It's why he has hinted that he would be OK with a return to the Lakers and why I think he would have done his best to fit in with the Cavs. Second, Cleveland's offense is nothing like that in Phoenix, where O'Neal had to mesh with a run-and-gun attack. The Cavs play straight inside-out basketball, and even at 36, O'Neal can still command double teams in the post. With Shaq and Ilgauskas alternating down low, Mo Williams, Daniel Gibson and Delonte West on the perimeter and LeBron attacking the rim, it would have been impossible for defenses to account for all the Cavs' weapons.

Steve Aschburner: I'm going to say no, but not because I don't think O'Neal could have fit in and even been an effective player for the Cavs. I just don't know if he would have made them better, given the minutes he would take from Ilgauskas and Anderson Varejao and the adjustments he would require in their attack. Plopping him down in the post for the Cavs would be, to me, like installing a roundabout in the middle of a busy street -- it would require LeBron to circumnavigate Shaq in his routes to the hoop. Have to admit, though, that I like the idea of Shaq's hit parade going to yet another city. It had me thinking if there's any way the 26 teams that haven't employed him yet could work out some sort of time-share for him next season.

[TheMACHINE]

ohhh that would be Ugly. Shaq instead of Big Z? Lebron lighting it up from the wing and a revitalized Shaq in the post? It's over. Just give them their ring.

Yah cuz Lebron can "light" it up.

I hope Cavs do go ahead with this. Gives Lebron less room to do his only move...dunk.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yah cuz Lebron can "light" it up.

I hope Cavs do go ahead with this. Gives Lebron less room to do his only move...dunk.

He can do more than dunk but when I read "light it up from the wing" I lol'ed.


PS - the trade deadline was yesterday.

[TheMACHINE]

He can do more than dunk but when I read "light it up from the wing" I lol'ed.


PS - the trade deadline was yesterday.

fine... the DUNk is the only move he can do...consistantly ;)

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

fine... the DUNk is the only move he can do...consistantly ;)

I'm really getting sick of Lebron but blind hatred is unnecessary. He can get to the rim consistently and finish consistently is the better way to put it.

We both can agree though that saying he dominates from the wing is absurd since his jumper is still atrocious.

[TheMACHINE]

I'm really getting sick of Lebron but blind hatred is unnecessary. He can get to the rim consistently and finish consistently is the better way to put it.

We both can agree though that saying he dominates from the wing is absurd since his jumper is still atrocious.

which leaves him with....THE DUNK! :king

[Ghazi]

Lebron > KoME the primadonna drama queen adulterer center killer 41% Finals shoota

(hows THAT for blind muthafuckin hate?)

[TheMACHINE]

Lebron > KoME the primadonna drama queen adulterer center killer 41% Finals shoota

(hows THAT for blind muthafuckin hate?)

expected better hate from you

[dirk4mvp]

Lebron > KoME the primadonna drama queen adulterer center killer 41% Finals shoota

(hows THAT for blind muthafuckin hate?)

The Hornets got mutha fuckin FLEECED when they traded that guy for a franchise big in Divac.

[TheMACHINE]

The Hornets got mutha fuckin FLEECED when they traded that guy for a franchise big in Divac.

but Divac > KoME the primadonna drama queen adulterer center killer 41% Finals shoota

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Lebron > KoME the primadonna drama queen adulterer center killer 41% Finals shoota

(hows THAT for blind muthafuckin hate?)

call Kobe whatever you want but he never made up a move known as the "crab dribble" and then whined about it.

[Ghazi]

The Hornets got mutha fuckin FLEECED when they traded that guy for a franchise big in Divac.

:lol