Console game system advice.

[RandomGuy]

I will be purchasing a console game system some time in the next year or so.

What platform should I get and why?

I really have very little clue about the strengths/weaknesses of the various platforms.

What is the best game to buy for that platform? accessory?

Assume I am somewhat tech-saavy and smart enough to understand most jargon.

[MiamiHeat]

XBOX 360. It has the best games as of now, better exclusive games, and most importantly...THE BEST online multiplayer experience available of any console - XBOX LIVE.

you get the best support from one of the world's richest companies in Microsoft. The 360 is compatible with your Windows PC so you can easily transfer movies, music, all sorts of files from your 360 to your PC or vice-versa.

Make sure you buy a 360 that comes with a harddrive. There is a 20GB harddrive or the 360 Elite that comes with a 120GB harddrive (more expensive). I have the 20GB right now

Accessory, you will need to buy the following :

Play and Charge Kit (because the 360 wireless controllers come with battery packs that use batteries OR rechargeable batteries. the play and charge kit comes with the rechargeable batteries. that's what you want. I use it and never ever have a problem with power. you can play games as it's charging.)

Headset. there is a less expensive cord headset that connects to your wireless controller, or a more expensive ($40ish) wireless headset. I use the wireless one. it brings a power cord to recharge the headset.


as for games, depends on what genre you like.

i'll list only a few 360 exclusives.

Gears of War (one of the best games of any console)
Mass Effect (sci-fi space action RPG)
Dead Rising (awesome zombie survival game in a mall)
Halo 3 (the entire series is good)

also, 360 has the best downloadable content. for instance, Grand Theft Auto IV's THE LOST AND THE DAMNED content is ONLY for the 360. PS3 doesn't get it because Microsoft paid the developers of the game $50 MILLION to have it be 360 only exclusive. same with fallout 3, 360 only.


also, if you like war games, get Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare. it's online play is very fun. make sure you have a headset so you can talk to everyone

[Summers]

Does this mean Santa already knows what he's bringing the kids?

[BlackSwordsMan]

360

[Cry Havoc]

One sec, I'll post something from another thread.

[dirk4mvp]

360 and it's not really close.

[JoeChalupa]

XBOX 360. It has the best games as of now, better exclusive games, and most importantly...THE BEST online multiplayer experience available of any console - XBOX LIVE.

you get the best support from one of the world's richest companies in Microsoft. The 360 is compatible with your Windows PC so you can easily transfer movies, music, all sorts of files from your 360 to your PC or vice-versa.

Make sure you buy a 360 that comes with a harddrive. There is a 20GB harddrive or the 360 Elite that comes with a 120GB harddrive (more expensive). I have the 20GB right now

Accessory, you will need to buy the following :

Play and Charge Kit (because the 360 wireless controllers come with battery packs that use batteries OR rechargeable batteries. the play and charge kit comes with the rechargeable batteries. that's what you want. I use it and never ever have a problem with power. you can play games as it's charging.)

Headset. there is a less expensive cord headset that connects to your wireless controller, or a more expensive ($40ish) wireless headset. I use the wireless one. it brings a power cord to recharge the headset.


as for games, depends on what genre you like.

i'll list only a few 360 exclusives.

Gears of War (one of the best games of any console)
Mass Effect (sci-fi space action RPG)
Dead Rising (awesome zombie survival game in a mall)
Halo 3 (the entire series is good)

also, 360 has the best downloadable content. for instance, Grand Theft Auto IV's THE LOST AND THE DAMNED content is ONLY for the 360. PS3 doesn't get it because Microsoft paid the developers of the game $50 MILLION to have it be 360 only exclusive. same with fallout 3, 360 only.


also, if you like war games, get Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare. it's online play is very fun. make sure you have a headset so you can talk to everyone

Damn. I'm getting freakin' old.

[Cry Havoc]

I don't buy Blu-ray for every movie. However, some movies are worth paying the extra for, for the (much) better picture and sound. I wouldn't buy a movie like Dark Knight on DVD. For comedies or movies that don't demand a "wow" effect, DVD is fine.

At the very least, it's nice to have the option of buying Blu-ray, and having a great gaming system to boot.

I feel like this is the generation of "good" consoles. There are no stellar standouts. The Wii is the most user-friendly, has by far the best party factor, and has a few absolutely stellar titles... and not much else. It's game library is choked, and it is very graphically limited.

The 360 is a fantastic online experience, clearly better than the Ps3 or the Wii and currently has the best library of games with great graphics. Normally these would be enough to secure any system a lock to win the console war, however, the RRoD plague hurt the 360 as much as anything could have.

The Ps3 has has similar graphics to the 360, supports Blu-Ray, is a rock-steady system that has an extremely low failure rate, and has a smaller library of stellar, exclusive titles. However, the caveat here is obviously the gaming library doesn't compare yet to the 360s, and the online experience, while improving, still doesn't compare to Xbox Live.

So all three systems have reasons they're great and all three have reasons they suck.

Which is why I still favor PC over any console. Fast, stable, graphics that are far ahead of anything the other three are capable of, and still the best online experience around. Not only that, but the user interface is miles ahead of even the best controller for a console. For several genres, console shouldn't even be an option. I can't get over trying to play CoD4 with a joystick. It's just awful.

The only reason I wouldn't buy a 360 (and haven't) is because I refuse to own a piece of hardware that I'm almost positive will break down on me at some point. The RRoD is inexcusable, IMO.

For what it's worth, don't listen to these people who are saying, "it's not close". They're fanboys. They want you to buy what they own. Do your own research and decide what you want to buy. It's safe to say you're going to sink quite a lot of money into a console, so make sure it's what YOU want, not what Gears of War 2 fanboys are telling you is a must-have.

I can tell you from my own experience that nothing can compete (for me) with the flexibility and power of a gaming PC. And they're cheap now too, you can build a very respectable rig that will outperform either the PS3 or the 360 for $500, or buy one from craigslist. Plus, games for Windows are $10-20 cheaper.

If I HAD to buy a console today, it would be a Ps3, though. Because while having a massive game library like the 360 is nice, how many games are you going to buy? Most gamers own 10-20 games for a respective system. There are 10 excellent titles for the PS3 out right NOW, so unless you're a hardcore gamer looking to spend $3000 on games, what does a library of 4,000 titles get you? What does a library of 100 incredible games get you if you are only going to own 20 games, max?

[IronMexican]

360.

You can chat with a friend and play two different games.

[JoeChalupa]

I've always heard that PC gaming is the best but I don't like using the keyboard to play games but I'm also naive when it comes to pc gaming.

[S_A_Longhorn]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2009/01/ps3comparisonchartscea.jpg

Report just came out that the kids prefer the Nintendo Wii, teens prefer the 360, and the older audiences prefer the PS3.

Games are subjective. If you don't like shooters, the 360 lineup is not that enticing. The PSN has the most artisitic & unique games are exclusive to the PS3.

Honestly, buy whatever system supports the game you want to play, as I am assuming you have a game you want to play. If the game or games are available for multiple consoles, then weigh-in the non-gaming aspects.

[Cry Havoc]

I've always heard that PC gaming is the best but I don't like using the keyboard to play games but I'm also naive when it comes to pc gaming.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=091

The Xbox 360 controller for Windows. Use it. Love it.

If you play first person shooters though, there is absolutely no comparison for using a mouse + keyboard. I was a console gamer for ~15 years, and the first time I played Counterstrike 1.4 with a keyboard and mouse, I knew I was never going back. Once you get used to the WASD control and the mouse, it offers a level of precision and satisfaction that you simply cannot find with a joystick.

[Cry Havoc]

360.

You can chat with a friend and play two different games.

I can chat with an unlimited number of friends while gaming and doing homework on my computer, with a Playstation emulator running in the background.

[JoeChalupa]

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=091

The Xbox 360 controller for Windows. Use it. Love it.

If you play first person shooters though, there is absolutely no comparison for using a mouse + keyboard. I was a console gamer for ~15 years, and the first time I played Counterstrike 1.4 with a keyboard and mouse, I knew I was never going back. Once you get used to the WASD control and the mouse, it offers a level of precision and satisfaction that you simply cannot find with a joystick.

Thanks for the info.

[Cry Havoc]

Thanks for the info.

Yep. Keep in mind that using a mouse + keyboard may feel awkward at first, but if you're like me, your first real gaming experience was with an atari joystick which refused to work half the time or controlling a little plumber by mashing on a bright red button to get him to jump. That was pretty freakin' awkward too until you get used to it!

[S_A_Longhorn]

I'll put in a vote for WARHAWK for the PS3. Look up some vids on YouTube. A great game that allows to shoot on foot, roll in a tank, ride in a jeep, or jump in a jet. The action is fast and the maps are huge.

My buds and I play for hours every nite.

[JoeChalupa]

Yep. Keep in mind that using a mouse + keyboard may feel awkward at first, but if you're like me, your first real gaming experience was with an atari joystick which refused to work half the time or controlling a little plumber by mashing on a bright red button to get him to jump. That was pretty freakin' awkward too until you get used to it!

:lol I started with Atari. Way back I bought this joystick for a PC but I could never get it to work so I gave up. It was back when Mouse had all these PC games.

[balli]

360, but it is close.

[CuckingFunt]

I prefer the PS3. Especially now that the number of good games is starting to catch up to the 360. Game exclusivity is always going to be a factor, and I get why people buy the 360 to remain loyal to their franchise of choice, but I'd have a real hard time dropping money on a console that is so prone to crashing.

[DarkReign]

I've always heard that PC gaming is the best but I don't like using the keyboard to play games but I'm also naive when it comes to pc gaming.

This. Nothing touches PC gaming and any game that is on a console is better and more customizable on a PC.

With that said, there is a learning curve for certain aspects of gaming a console-exclusive player wouldnt know or even care about (resolution, anti-aliasing, cvars, console keys, user.ini files, etc).

But if youre going to get a console, go with a 360 hands down.

I own all the gaming systems...my PS3 is a glorified Blu-Ray player...at least until GOW3 comes out.

[DarkReign]

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/gaming/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=091

The Xbox 360 controller for Windows. Use it. Love it.

If you play first person shooters though, there is absolutely no comparison for using a mouse + keyboard. I was a console gamer for ~15 years, and the first time I played Counterstrike 1.4 with a keyboard and mouse, I knew I was never going back. Once you get used to the WASD control and the mouse, it offers a level of precision and satisfaction that you simply cannot find with a joystick.

I cant get the son of a bitch to work on my PC. Trust me, I want to. Sports games no worky-worky with a mouse+keyboard.

Also, I have my basement networked and cant exchange files between my 360 and PC. Any tips?

[baseline bum]

Like Heat said, x360. It wins in the only thing that really matters: better games. Just like Gameboy killed the technically superior GameGear and how 8-bit NES was better than 16-bit Genesis. If you're looking to make it a media center you might be better off with PS3 though. You can't stream a lot of types of video to the X360 yet.

[baseline bum]

I cant get the son of a bitch to work on my PC. Trust me, I want to. Sports games no worky-worky with a mouse+keyboard.

Also, I have my basement networked and cant exchange files between my 360 and PC. Any tips?

Is it the wireless controller? I don't think you can use the wireless controller on Windows even with the wire from the charge kit. Wired x360 controllers should work out of the box though.

[Cry Havoc]

I cant get the son of a bitch to work on my PC. Trust me, I want to. Sports games no worky-worky with a mouse+keyboard.

Also, I have my basement networked and cant exchange files between my 360 and PC. Any tips?

Did you buy a 360 controller for windows? A standard 360 controller will NOT work with a PC, as far as I know. You need to buy one especially for your PC.

As far as the networking goes, try this, if you haven't already:

Go into your network sharing center (control panel > network & sharing or the like), then make sure your network discovery, file sharing, media sharing, and public folder sharing are turned on. I believe you can do this through windows media center as well. This should allow your PC and 360 to access each other freely.

[sabar]

$4 ps2 controller + $5 usb adapter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M$ Official 360 Controller

[DarkReign]

Is it the wireless controller? I don't think you can use the wireless controller on Windows even with the wire from the charge kit. Wired x360 controllers should work out of the box though.

I bought the wireless adapter for the pc.

Looks like this (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360wirelessgamingreceiver/)

My PC is able to detect it, but it doesnt recognize the right analog stick.

As it were, youre right anyway. Its actually more convenient to buy a corded controller for my pc exclusively anyway. My gripe with the wireless (aside from the analog stick not working) was every time I hit power on the controller to start it, the 360 turned on. :)


Did you buy a 360 controller for windows? A standard 360 controller will NOT work with a PC, as far as I know. You need to buy one especially for your PC.

As far as the networking goes, try this, if you haven't already:

Go into your network sharing center (control panel > network & sharing or the like), then make sure your network discovery, file sharing, media sharing, and public folder sharing are turned on. I believe you can do this through windows media center as well. This should allow your PC and 360 to access each other freely.

Jesus H...its been so long since I even tried, I didnt want to be a dick and ask for advice and never try.

It worked. First time. ha

[Cry Havoc]

Jesus H...its been so long since I even tried, I didnt want to be a dick and ask for advice and never try.

It worked. First time. ha

:lol

Good to hear!

[jman3000]

360

[CharlieMac]

If you ever wanna get laid again, go with the Wii.

[MiamiHeat]

I was a console gamer since about 4 years old. I was a HUGE PC gamer starting around 1996-1997ish. I have switched now though

i've had the ATARI, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Nintendo 64, PlayStation 2, XBOX 360 and of course PC

The reason I stopped playing PC games is because of CHEATERS. I will never play those games like Counter-Strike online again because of all the unfairness. PC performance, graphic card advantages, FramesPerSecond advantage, Skins, hacks, aimbots, aim skins, wall hacks, scripts, special hotkeys, I hate that. It gives an unfair advantage to a player like me who isn't 16 anymore and just wants to log in and have fun.

That's why I play Team Fortress 2 and all my online games on the 360 and not on the PC. I realize I am missing out on tons of updates, new weapons, custom made levels, etc... but at least I know the cheating is down to a minimum and there are no unfair advantages.


I do agree though, PC is where it's at. I would go back to it but people have too many unfair advantages that directly affect the game.

I do however, played games like World of Warcraft in the past. Those type of games I will play on a PC because the cheating is down to a minimum, even though when it comes to PVP, once again you have unfair advantages like scripts, special skins, spell UI, etc

[Cry Havoc]

I was a console gamer since about 4 years old. I was a HUGE PC gamer starting around 1996-1997ish. I have switched now though

i've had the ATARI, Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Nintendo 64, PlayStation 2, XBOX 360 and of course PC

The reason I stopped playing PC games is because of CHEATERS. I will never play those games like Counter-Strike online again because of all the unfairness. PC performance, graphic card advantages, FramesPerSecond advantage, Skins, hacks, aimbots, aim skins, wall hacks, scripts, special hotkeys, I hate that. It gives an unfair advantage to a player like me who isn't 16 anymore and just wants to log in and have fun.

That's why I play Team Fortress 2 and all my online games on the 360 and not on the PC. I realize I am missing out on tons of updates, new weapons, custom made levels, etc... but at least I know the cheating is down to a minimum and there are no unfair advantages.


I do agree though, PC is where it's at. I would go back to it but people have too many unfair advantages that directly affect the game.

I do however, played games like World of Warcraft in the past. Those type of games I will play on a PC because the cheating is down to a minimum, even though when it comes to PVP, once again you have unfair advantages like scripts, special skins, spell UI, etc

Have you played many FPS games on PC lately? Any decent server these days have admins patrolling their territory. If someone is even questionable, they spec him until he does something that's obviously scripting/hacking. He's then kick/banned instantly.

I have NEVER seen a hacker on TF2, except for when the game first released there was a bug that you could get under the map, however this has since been fixed. Even griefers are usually banned relatively quickly now.

I have had exactly one moderate problem with ONE cheater over the past 6 months. When I did, I found another server in 5 seconds, and had no problems afterward.

[Jmoney]

Pro's and con's to each system. Here's some I haven't seen posted yet.

1.Blue Ray won the battle vs HD dvd's so if your into movies you can't miss with the ps3 being a good gaming system and a good blue ray player

2.90% of the exclusive content that was supposed to be for PS3 XBOX360 is getting the game. Companies like Square which were huge sony guys jumped on the 360 when given half a chance. That alone should give you the indication of the power of xbox and of microsoft

3.I'm a huge gaming freak. I have my Nintendo sitting in a box with bomberman and final fantasy 1 still ready to go whenever I feel like it. As well my snes,sega gen 32x saturn,ultra,jag,dreamcast are all still at my fingertips and just a few plugs away from being hooked in. I've been a big pc gamer since the days of telnet mud and when ultima got started and multiplayer quake *long live MPLAYER and HEAT!* The PC games OTHER than mmporg's have been mostly ports that are pretty much on all the other systems. One of the biggest draws to the PC is 1.Unlike the xbox and other consules you don't have to buy a new system every time they release. You just have to be smart with laying out your computer and upgrading certain items mobo,graphics card,ram as needed.

4. Yes hackers are apart of every system. From glitchers to drop quitters to down right hacks. However with that said ALOT of game designers work around the clock to fix problems as best they can. No game system is flawless but all try to patch as needed.

5.If your into MMORPG games NO SYSTEM can compare to the flexbilty you have with your computer. There are just way to many options when it comes to playing mmporgs on the pc that you just cant do on the other systems.

6. Never knock the power of the keyboard and mouse. While it may seem wierd playing games in this manner once you learn whats a good comfort level to you it becomes second nature. The big benefit is with diff shooters on other consules they don't have set all games press x to shoot all games press y to jump with the computer you have that power. You can either configure it in game so every game you have your basics set to the same keys or if you got a sexy mouse and keyboard you got options for in game macros that far and away outdo anything that you could do with an xbox wii or ps3.

7.PS3 WII and Sony know the one area where for years PC had the true advantage was what you could do online with a PC. With the new generation systems this has changed. You now have friend management avatar control media options for video's, movies, and other assorted things you could do with the computer. However they still fall short in raw power.

8.Each system for the most part has a different genre on which they are extremly just well better play on them. For the xbox series first person shooters seem to be better than PS3 WII and even PC lately. For the PS3 the games themselves just seem smoother. The WII even has it's own niche with it's fun party style games that you can have 8 people over giggling and laughing like children when they all 30+.

All in all it's about what you are comfortable with. Ask yourself what type's of games you want to play and how you play them. Ask yourself do you want something only you can enjoy *PC* or something your friends can come over and play with you WII XBOX PS3. Ask yourself do you want a blue ray player at some point? These will help when you deciding what you want. Finally when getting one of the next gen system XBOX360 PS3 WII remember if you don't like it places like gamestop will let you trade it in for credit or outright return it depending on how long you have it. Some cities even have places where you can rent whole systems. I'd suggest some time go to a gaming lounge if you have access to one. If your in SA I can reccomend a few that carry all systems and play each one see what you like.

[MiamiHeat]

TO CRYHAVOC :

yeah admins being present helps for the cheaters who rage a server...but that doesn't solve the main problem, believe me. it is VERY easy to fake out spectators.

you can have a Wall hack running fully and act like you don't see people through walls.

you know exactly where everyone is, but you play like you don't know. this gives you the advantage of the faster trigger -AND- you avoid unlucky deaths.

it's how many 'great' players end up with scores of like 43-9 type of crap.

how do I know? because I did it. towards the end of my PC FPS gaming, I played CS, America's Army, etc.. and i faked out server admins. i reached to #1 on the leaderboard on a VERY popular CS server.

i intentionally 'let myself die' by walking towards a guy camping next to a wall or something, then when i die, talk on the mic "oooh sheit. what a camper, didnt see him" type of shit. do this to throw people off.

when you walk towards people around corners, YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE, you are ready to shoot at them. just don't be obvious with pre-aim and you have a huge advantage.

trust me man, PC cheating will never be stopped. the very nature of the PC allows hackers to fuck with it. it will never end.

players you THINK are legit, sometimes are not. i guarantee you, spectating does nothing. its very easy to use a wall hack or something like that and not be caught.

[MiamiHeat]

I've been a big pc gamer since the days of telnet mud and when ultima got started and multiplayer quake *long live MPLAYER and HEAT!*

oh my god, Quake multiplayer <3

my first online FPS. easily, the best fun i ever had on a PC. remember the Quake Name Creator with the funny letters and gold characters in game? :) i was WhoDaMan and THE JANITOR on that game

i also played the early CTF mods, not the 3wave ones.

[Cry Havoc]

TO CRYHAVOC :

yeah admins being present helps for the cheaters who rage a server...but that doesn't solve the main problem, believe me. it is VERY easy to fake out spectators.

you can have a Wall hack running fully and act like you don't see people through walls.

you know exactly where everyone is, but you play like you don't know. this gives you the advantage of the faster trigger -AND- you avoid unlucky deaths.

it's how many 'great' players end up with scores of like 43-9 type of crap.

how do I know? because I did it. towards the end of my PC FPS gaming, I played CS, America's Army, etc.. and i faked out server admins. i reached to #1 on the leaderboard on a VERY popular CS server.

i intentionally 'let myself die' by walking towards a guy camping next to a wall or something, then when i die, talk on the mic "oooh sheit. what a camper, didnt see him" type of shit. do this to throw people off.

when you walk towards people around corners, YOU KNOW THEY ARE THERE, you are ready to shoot at them. just don't be obvious with pre-aim and you have a huge advantage.

trust me man, PC cheating will never be stopped. the very nature of the PC allows hackers to fuck with it. it will never end.

players you THINK are legit, sometimes are not. i guarantee you, spectating does nothing. its very easy to use a wall hack or something like that and not be caught.

Which is why I usually played on servers that banned anyone even suspected of hacking.

You were good on a pub? Really? Wow, congrats. So was I. I was actually ranked #2 on a pub with over 30,000 users per month.

Anyone who's good enough to play seriously went to a CAL league. And I DARE you to get away with hacks there. If you weren't good enough, I guess hacking your popular little pub was good enough for you, wasn't it? Some of us went 43 and 9 without hacking, but more power to you for fooling the admins. I'm still absolutely positive that a vigilant administrator who's played a lot would pick up on your hacks. Little things, like twitching toward someone you see out of your periphery when they're really through a wall can give you away instantly.

Also: Since when are PCs the only system that gets hacked? I've seen cheaters on xbox live as well. Hell, I watch my brother glitch for maps at a time on CoD4/xbox Live! and since there are no admins, there is no one to kick him for it.

[CubanSucks]

Xbox 360 has Halo 3. Nuff said.
Seriously though, 10 to 20 years from now when the gaming technology is insane and we all look back, the Halo trilogy will be up there with Mario and Zelda and all the other iconic game franchises.

[Xolotl]

I have a 360 I love it, I enjoy playing online with my friends. I can't speak for the PS3 but I've heard that their online multiplayer is usually laggy. Maybe somebody else with a PS3 can clarify if that statement is true.

[dickface]

it offers a level of precision and satisfaction that you simply cannot find with a joystick.

Let's just stick to discussing video game controllers.

[Jmoney]

[quote=MiamiHeat;3128950]oh my god, Quake multiplayer <3

my first online FPS. easily, the best fun i ever had on a PC. remember the Quake Name Creator with the funny letters and gold characters in game? :) i was WhoDaMan and THE JANITOR on that game

i also played the early CTF mods, not the 3wave ones.[/quote

I think I still have that thing on one of my computers.

[DarkReign]

43-9...really?

Pffft...in COD4 I routinely went 50-5.

In SOF2, which was an addiction for me in my late teens-early twenties, I was 70-10 every time, every game, every map, every everything.

My best game ever was 102-4. Trust me, the "Cheater!" crys were loud, but I was on a clan server who we had played against in OGL, so the admin kicked the idiots.

I never cheated, never had to. Deadly accuracy and knowledge of the maps, thats all it takes (oh, and an incredible hot streak).

The CoD4 scores are always skewed though (especially on PC) because of the server size (64+) and the aerial attack spammage (stopped playing because of it).

My best scores always had a myriad of airstrikes in there. Not so in SoF2, if you had 100 kills its because you shot/naded dumbfuckers 100 times.

<King of Grenades

/nostalgic self-gratification

These days, I get owned in everything. I dont play enough or have interest to. I was playing Gears2 yesterday...HA! I think I was raped, so I called the police.

[MiamiHeat]

as I said, SOMETIMES the great players cheat. Not everyone. I legitimately got great scores sometimes too


but I -guarantee- that any GOOD and INTELLIGENT hacker will never be caught. there will be no 'twitching' or pre-aiming through a wall. you see everyone, but play like you don't see them.

CRY HAVOC keeps saying spectators can catch them, but there is no way to catch a good one. and this is why I stopped playing PC FPS games. I am still open to playing other PC games though, like RTS or MMORPG's


anyway, XBOX 360 glitches aren't hacking. anyone can do it and they are usually fixed by developers through a patch quickly.

[mexicanjunior]

I haven't bought a new system since my original Xbox but I plan to get a 360 when I do. The price is much better ($199) and, since I only really play sports games at home with my buddies, it will work for me.