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hater
02-20-2009, 04:20 PM
Huge gamma-ray blast spotted 12.2 bln light-years from earth
Thu Feb 19, 3:58 pm ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The US space agency's Fermi telescope has detected a massive explosion in space which scientists say is the biggest gamma-ray burst ever detected, a report published Thursday in Science Express said.

The spectacular blast, which occurred in September in the Carina constellation, produced energies ranging from 3,000 to more than five billion times that of visible light, astrophysicists said.

"Visible light has an energy range of between two and three electron volts and these were in the millions to billions of electron volts," astrophysicist Frank Reddy of US space agency NASA told AFP.

"If you think about it in terms of energy, X-rays are more energetic because they penetrate matter. These things don't stop for anything -- they just bore through and that's why we can see them from enormous distances," Reddy said.

A team led by Jochen Greiner of Germany's Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics determined that the huge gamma-ray burst occurred 12.2 billion light years away.

The sun is eight light minutes from Earth, and Pluto is 12 light hours away.

Taking into account the huge distance from earth of the burst, scientists worked out that the blast was stronger than 9,000 supernovae -- powerful explosions that occur at the end of a star's lifetime -- and that the gas jets emitting the initial gamma rays moved at nearly the speed of light.

"This burst's tremendous power and speed make it the most extreme recorded to date," a statement issued by the US Department of Energy said.

Gamma-ray bursts are the universe's most luminous explosions, which astronomers believe occur when massive stars run out of nuclear fuel and collapse.

Long bursts, which last more than two seconds, occur in massive stars that are undergoing collapse, while short bursts lasting less than two seconds occur in smaller stars.

In short gamma-ray bursts, stars simply explode and form supernovae, but in long bursts, the enormous bulk of the star leads its core to collapse and form a blackhole, into which the rest of the star falls.

As the star's core collapses into the black hole, jets of material blast outward, boring through the collapsing star and continuing into space where they interact with gas previously shed by the star, generating bright afterglows that fade with time.

"It's thought that something involved in spinning up and collapsing into that blackhole in the center is what drives these jets. No one really has figured that out. The jets rip through the star and the supernova follows after the jets," Reddy said.

Studying gamma-ray bursts allows scientists to "sample an individual star at a distance where we can't even see galaxies clearly," Reddy said.

Observing the massive explosions could also lift the veil on more of space's enigmas, including those raised by the burst spotted by Fermi, such as a "curious time delay" between its highest and lowest energy emissions.

Such a time lag has been seen in only one earlier burst, and "may mean that the highest-energy emissions are coming from different parts of the jet or created through a different mechanism," said Stanford University physicist Peter Michelson, the chief investigator on Fermi's large area telescope.

"Burst emissions at these energies are still poorly understood, and Fermi is giving us the tools to understand them. In a few years, we'll have a fairly good sample of bursts and may have some answers," Michelson said.

The Fermi telescope and NASA's Swift satellite detect "in the order of 1,000 gamma-ray bursts a year, or a burst every 100,000 years in a given galaxy," said Reddy.

Astrophysicists estimate there are hundreds of billions of galaxies.

The Fermi gamma-ray space telescope was developed by NASA in collaboration with the US Department of Energy and partners including academic institutions in France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Sweden and the United States.

doobs
02-20-2009, 04:27 PM
What the hell?

Wouldn't it have occurred 12.2 billion years ago? Does energy "travel" faster than light? I'm lost.

LnGrrrR
02-20-2009, 05:17 PM
You're right Doobs, it would have been that long ago. When they said it occurred in September, they mean they VIEWED it in September.

Trainwreck2100
02-20-2009, 05:22 PM
will it give me superpowers?

DarkReign
02-20-2009, 05:25 PM
What the hell?

Wouldn't it have occurred 12.2 billion years ago? Does energy "travel" faster than light? I'm lost.

Well, they say the universe is only about 13 billion years old, so detecting it now isnt out of the question.

But it does suggest that this explosion happened very early after the universe's creation. Massive bodies of conglomerate matter were very common (i use that term loosely) where most impacted one another destroying the original super-massive bodies into smaller entities.

It would seem this particular explosion came from a post-Bang super entity that was either a) lucky enough to have avoided collision with an object of comparable size or b) was so incredibly large/massive that any impact from another mass was just gobbled and added thru force of will and gravity.

Either way, cool story.

LockBeard
02-20-2009, 05:29 PM
God damned Global Warming!

When will it end :depressed



p.s. Hopefully I can get some Hulk powers out of this.

whottt
02-20-2009, 05:34 PM
Fucking Bush...if he hadn't been fucking around stealing oil in Iraq we might have been able to prevent this bullshit.

Stupid fucking christians.

Trainwreck2100
02-20-2009, 05:47 PM
God damned Global Warming!

When will it end :depressed



p.s. Hopefully I can get some Hulk powers out of this.

i got dibs on superpowers, i called it first

Lebowski Brickowski
02-20-2009, 05:48 PM
old news -- happenned like billions of yrs ago

DarkReign
02-20-2009, 06:15 PM
old news -- happenned like billions of yrs ago

:lol

baseline bum
02-20-2009, 06:45 PM
Fucking Bush...if he hadn't been fucking around stealing oil in Iraq we might have been able to prevent this bullshit.

Stupid fucking christians.

No, if Bush hadn't been fucking around in Iraq, Fermilab wouldn't have had to lay off a ton of its researchers and scrap its search for the higgs boson.

IronMexican
02-20-2009, 07:17 PM
old news -- happenned like billions of yrs ago

:lol

SnakeBoy
02-21-2009, 01:02 AM
Oh shit! That means he's on his way. We're doomed!

http://www.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Hulk_/the_incredible_hulk_image__2_.jpg

Nbadan
02-21-2009, 01:14 PM
hmmmm...The Hulk is from earth....that would have worked much better with Galactus!


http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/0/09/Galactus442x350.jpg/440px-Galactus442x350.jpg

LnGrrrR
02-23-2009, 09:28 AM
Technically, the Hulk did get rocketed to another planet, then came back to whoop major ass on earth during a recent Marvel run. (Planet Hulk which led into World War Hulk, decent story.)

Yes, I'm a nerd.

FuzzyLumpkins
02-23-2009, 09:44 AM
What the hell?

Wouldn't it have occurred 12.2 billion years ago? Does energy "travel" faster than light? I'm lost.

Its all bundled up into an omnibus term electromagnetic radiation. It all moves at the speed of light from gamma rays to radio waves all travels at the same velocity.

Einstein's relativity is based on the concept that EM radiation moves at the saem velocity regardless to your frame of reference.

Shaolin-Style
02-23-2009, 09:49 AM
I felt a disturbance in the force, definitely.

TDMVPDPOY
02-23-2009, 10:12 AM
i see this is a whole load of horse shit

if they can eye spy with my little eye something that far, why dont they go zoom in at planets that can sustain life or aliens......

FuzzyLumpkins
02-23-2009, 10:20 AM
i see this is a whole load of horse shit

if they can eye spy with my little eye something that far, why dont they go zoom in at planets that can sustain life or aliens......

If you can see a spotlight from a mile away why can you not see a dot on a speck of dust from that distance?

Professor Lilloman
02-23-2009, 10:56 AM
12 billion years old? you monkey worshipers can't even agree on how old the grand canyon is and you want us to believe you know how old shit in space is? :lmao

Blake
02-23-2009, 12:47 PM
I think government astronomers want you to believe that it's the star's core collapsing in on the black hole when it was really detonated on purpose. 9/11 eyewitnesses say they heard explosions before the core started collapsing.

doobs
02-23-2009, 12:50 PM
I think government astronomers want you to believe that it's the star's core collapsing in on the black hole when it was really detonated on purpose. 9/11 eyewitnesses say they heard explosions before the core started collapsing.

http://www.khanya.co.za/blogs/images/head_in_sand.jpg

LnGrrrR
02-23-2009, 02:07 PM
12 billion years old? you monkey worshipers can't even agree on how old the grand canyon is and you want us to believe you know how old shit in space is? :lmao

I guess it's as old as God is. What birthday is he up to now? lol

Galileo
02-23-2009, 04:31 PM
bin Laden did it!

Professor Lilloman
02-23-2009, 05:27 PM
I guess it's as old as God is. What birthday is he up to now? lol

Your asking the wrong guy I don't believe in all the Bible hype, I am just smart enough to know I didn't evolve from a fish 45 billion years ago.

FuzzyLumpkins
02-23-2009, 07:31 PM
12 billion years old? you monkey worshipers can't even agree on how old the grand canyon is and you want us to believe you know how old shit in space is? :lmao

If you determine the trajectory of several items in space you can from there determine where the position of origin is via where the trajectories intersect, This is of course assuming a common origin and radial trajectories. From there its a matter of determining the rate of speed at which it is traveling which you can determine from red shift and then work backwards to determining how much time it would take to go from the origin to its current position.

The issue with the Grand Canyon is that the majority of the rock strata is sedimentary and the unfortunate by product of that is you cannot accurately carbon date that layer. You can obviously establish a chronology but setting a time frame is impossible with any precision.

The former is astrophysics; the latter is geology and you are a douchebag.

mouse
02-23-2009, 07:55 PM
If you determine the trajectory of several items in space you can from there determine where the position of origin is via where the trajectories intersect, This is of course assuming a common origin and radial trajectories. From there its a matter of determining the rate of speed at which it is traveling which you can determine from red shift and then work backwards to determining how much time it would take to go from the origin to its current position.

The issue with the Grand Canyon is that the majority of the rock strata is sedimentary and the unfortunate by product of that is you cannot accurately carbon date that layer. You can obviously establish a chronology but setting a time frame is impossible with any precision.

Your talking in circles. You Darwin lovers can't even answer simple questions...like why is the oldest tree 20,000 years old if the earth is millions of years old?

or can you even tell me how old this fossil is.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2095/2213111001_84089bd425.jpg





you are a douchebag.


^ this kind of talk shows your debating skills and your educational background.

TDMVPDPOY
02-23-2009, 08:44 PM
http://www.khanya.co.za/blogs/images/head_in_sand.jpg

greg popovich what is he doin

Stacie
02-23-2009, 09:17 PM
greg popovich what is he doin

New facial treatment?

FuzzyLumpkins
02-23-2009, 10:10 PM
Your talking in circles. You Darwin lovers can't even answer simple questions...like why is the oldest tree 20,000 years old if the earth is millions of years old?

or can you even tell me how old this fossil is.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2095/2213111001_84089bd425.jpg







^ this kind of talk shows your debating skills and your educational background.

I said you're a douchebag because you constantly hide behind bluster like this bullshit and your 80 screen names. You would think that after all these years you would come up with a fresh shtick.

I truly hope that you are going with the creationist dogma for effect but if you do not buy that model or the evolutionary model I really would be interested to know what model you do think is valid.

DarkReign
02-24-2009, 09:35 AM
The former is astrophysics; the latter is geology and you are a douchebag.

This made me rofl.

Robert Mruczek
02-25-2009, 03:56 AM
I said you're a douchebag because you constantly hide behind your 80 screen names. .


Are you saying fuzzy is your real name?

mouse
02-26-2009, 03:17 AM
I said you're a douchebag because you constantly hide behind bluster like this bullshit and your 80 screen names.

If I was hiding then you would not know how many I have. Don't get on my ass just because your creatively challenged and can't come up with any fresh new screen names.