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duncan228
02-24-2009, 12:30 AM
Are the Spurs in any team's head as much as the Suns?

The collapse of a contender in 2,500 words or less (http://phoenix.fanster.com/2009/02/23/the-collapse-of-a-contender-in-2500-words-or-less/)
By Valley of the Suns

Disclaimer: The following post will depress you without even making any mention of selling draft picks. Do not read at the top of tall buildings, near sharp objects or while eating breakfast. ValleyoftheSuns.com is not responsible for any accidents that may occur.

A championship never seemed closer to the Phoenix Suns than on May 14, 2007, a day that should have been celebrated for finally slaying the San Antonio dragon in enemy territory.

With the Suns poised to forge a 2-2 deadlock in a best-of-seven series that felt like a championship bout, it seemed like Phoenix had finally broken through after injury excuses (Joe Johnson’s face in 2005, Amare Stoudemire’s knee and Raja Bell’s calf in 2006) and playoff inexperience doomed the team in prior years.

Before the final buzzer had sounded on this potentially franchise-altering victory, Cheap Shot Rob delivered a forearm shiver to Steve Nash so disastrous its reverberations are still being felt around the Valley.

From the aftermath of that despicable play to Amare’s likely season-ending eye surgery on Friday, not much has gone right for a Suns team whose championship window appears to be all but shut.

The following is a timeline of moves and circumstances from the past 21 months that has taken the Suns from the verge of a title to the verge of the lottery.

Don’t leave that bench

When Horry sent Nash hurtling toward press row, Stoudemire and Boris Diaw did what was only humanely natural when they saw their meal ticket sprawled out on the deck: They took a few steps toward the action before stopping as assistant coach Marc Iavaroni grabbed them to prevent them from joining the fray.

They did not get close enough to escalate the situation and after initially darting toward the scene of the crime, they sauntered back to the bench trying to avoid the catastrophic consequences that ended up befalling them anyway.

No Malice in the Palace or any such fracas ensued, and once the heat of the moment passed Amare and Diaw were safely anchored to the Suns’ bench (as if Diaw was really going to go all Ron Artest, right?)

That didn’t prevent David Stern from following the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law because technically Amare and Diaw did leave the immediate vicinity of the bench.

Of course, so did Tim Duncan and Bruce Bowen when James Jones and Francisco Elson got tangled up earlier in the game, so if only Jones had escalated that situation into an “altercation,” then Stern would have been forced to suspend them as well instead of hypocritically letting it pass.

The suspensions effectively ended the 2007 Suns’ season, as a gritty effort fell just short in Game 5 when Bowen of all people hit a dagger and then San Antonio closed this thing out at home in Game 6.

It’s shocking that a cheap shot by one team would result in such dire consequences for the recipient of the cheapie, and that the old towel thrower dished out the hit makes it even tougher to swallow.

There’s no saying the Suns would have won Game 5 at full strength (or even with just Diaw, which I believe would have been the case) or even a Game 7 against the playoff-tested Spurs not to mention the later two series San Antonio won to take home the crown.

But to this day, a legitimate case can be made that Cheap Shot Rob cost the Suns a championship.

The Big Style Changer

After falling oh so close in the playoffs for three consecutive years culminating in the 2007 defeat, the Suns decided they could not win it all in Seven Seconds or Less so they completely altered the composition of their roster on Feb. 6, 2008, by trading for exactly the player they usually tried to run off the court, the Big Diesel himself, Shaquille O’Neal.

By dealing away their Swiss Army Knife of a defender and lightning quick fast-breaker Shawn Marion for the plodding Shaqtus, the Suns were saying they could not win a title in such an unconventional manner.

Despite the Suns being at the top of the West at the time, Phoenix apparently did not think it could win so severely deficient in rebounding and without a tried and true half-court game built to win in the playoffs.

Shaq brought the credibility of four championship rings, but the Suns were no longer the Suns. Yes, they won 15 of 20 to end the year and still pushed the issue in the running game, but it wasn’t the same.

A trey heard ’round the world

Entering the playoffs hot and dangerous, the D’Antoni Suns still may have made some noise had they not left Tim Duncan wide open for three in the final seconds of overtime of Game 1 of their 2008 playoff series.

Duncan, of course, nailed the shot, his first three-pointer of the season.

The Suns ran out to a 16-point first-half lead and led most of the game. To eventually lose in double overtime after leading in the final seconds of regulation and the first overtime was just a crushing blow that they never recovered from.

Phoenix then fell three nights later in San Antonio, got crushed on its home floor in Game 3 and then came out and won an inspired Game 4, which only prolonged the team’s misery by one game.

If the Suns rotated out to Duncan is this a different series? Who knows the way Tony Parker carved them up all series long and who knows with the way the Suns badly missed Marion with Grant Hill ailing, but we do know it would have been closer to being the seven-game showdown all of us were expecting.

Instead, the series was essentially lost on a missed rotation, which only strengthened management’s case that Mike D’Antoni needed to spend more time working on defense (not to mention developing a bench).

The chasm between D’Antoni and General Manager Steve Kerr gradually became unbearable, and that meant the perfect marriage between a team and a style was headed for divorce court.

Out the door in Seven Seconds or Less

D’Antoni’s impending departure was reported by Sports Illustrated’s Jack McCallum before the Suns even returned from San Antonio, and it soon became all but official when management encouraged D’Antoni to speak with other teams about employment.

When the Knicks came calling with a four-year, $24-million deal, the only surprise was that D’Antoni didn’t wait until the draft lottery, won by the Bulls, who selected a perfect point guard for D’Antoni’s system in Derrick Rose.

With D’Antoni gone, Kerr turned his attention toward a former teammate known for the defense and toughness the Suns lacked, a man with head coaching experience who spent time as an assistant with offensive gurus Rick Adelman and Flip Saunders.

So Kerr picked Terry Porter to fill the Shaq-sized shoes D’Antoni left behind.

Dumping Diaw to get (J-)Richer

With most of the roster complaining about the changes Porter implemented, the Suns shipped two of the biggest moaners out the door on Dec. 10 by sending Raja Bell along with Boris Diaw and his $9 million a year salary that wasn’t cutting it for a backup big to Charlotte for flashy two-guard Jason Richardson.

Bell whined profusely at the beginning of the season about his role and the offense in general, and Diaw let it be known the 2008-09 Suns weren’t the fun group they always used to be.

In Richardson the Suns picked up a dynamic offensive force who seemed like he would have fit much better with D’Antoni’s Suns.

The deal didn’t seem to make sense in the context of the Suns’ focus on defense, as Bell is more of a defensive player and J-Rich more of an offensive force, but Phoenix was glad to dump Diaw’s lengthy, expensive contract for a player who would actually start.

J-Rich has been fine although not spectacular on the court, but in two-plus months he’s already twice gotten into legal trouble off of it.

The Richardson trade paid immediate dividends as a muddling Suns squad pushed it into high gear by winning nine times in 12 games, but they lost 10 of 16 entering the break – with seven of the final eight losses coming by double-digits – and all of a sudden they weren’t even a playoff team heading into their city’s All-Star Weekend.

A failed attempt at change

What ensued was more awkward than the dinner party episode of “The Office.”

As the NBA descended on Phoenix for All-Star Weekend, a Peter Vecsey report surfaced that Friday saying Porter would be relieved of his duties.

All the while the Suns vehemently denied the “rumors,” as trade talk involving the Suns’ All-Stars Amare and Shaq also swirled through the desert air.

On the Sunday of the showcase event, word leaked that Porter had definitively been fired, meaning players like Shaq were asked more awkward pregame questions on national TV about the job status of their coach when everybody should just be enjoying the All-Star festivities and the always entertaining “Big JabbaWockee.”

To nobody’s surprise, Porter was officially relieved of his duties sometime Sunday evening.

If you ask ABC analyst Jeff Van Gundy, the Suns despicably quit on their coach who was brought in to solve the defensive issues that even the players talked about fixing after the latest San Antonio exit.

The Suns resisted him from Day One in Training Camp, feeling embarrassed by the types of drills he put this veteran squad through. Seemingly weekly team meetings followed, including a Kindergarten-style arts and crafts session in the name of team bonding.

After a failed month or so of putting Nash into “hummingbird trapped inside a sandwich bag” mode by constantly dumping the ball into Shaq, the Suns once again became one of the faster teams in the league, but they still weren’t running like they used to.

They were an in-between club lacking an identity, and when Porter chose not to bring back Shaq, Nash and Grant Hill after pulling them in the middle of the third quarter of a winnable game in Philadelphia, you knew he had lost this club.

Enter interim head coach Alvin Gentry, who is trying to bring back the fun in a D’Antoni kind of way.

He certainly did so in the first three games of his tenure – albeit against the Clippers, Clippers again and Thunder – as the Suns racked up at least 140 points in each game for the first time in the NBA since Porter’s 1990-91 Portland squad did so.

The rejuvenated Suns ran with the determination they did at their fastest points under D’Antoni, and the squad looked like a completely different group of players.

After weeks of trade rumors saying the Suns might ship out Amare and start plotting a new path for the franchise, optimism reigned in Suns Land where all of the team’s problems from the first three and a half months of the season were blamed on the bad fit with Porter.

Talk of moving up to the fourth spot in the West ensued, and the Suns’ goal was to finish the year 22-9 at the very worst after the Trade Deadline passed with Phoenix’s roster still intact.

And then the very next day they woke up and learned they had likely lost their All-Star starting power forward for the season without even getting a Tyrus Thomas back to replace him.

Who could have seen this coming?

Nobody thought much of it when Amare Stoudemire kneeled to the ground after being poked in the eye by Al Thornton on a drive to the basket nine minutes into Wednesday’s first quarter against the Clippers.

But then Amare visited his eye doctor whom he had been seeing for regular checkups since being inadvertently poked in the eye during Training Camp by Diaw, who now won’t be anywhere near Phoenix to fill in like he did during Amare’s microfracture year of 2005-06 after being dealt to Charlotte as an overpaid backup.

Even the Richardson trade that looked so good at first blush would be rescinded five times over if the Suns could do it over again at this point to get Diaw back, even though J-Rich is a perfect fit for the fast offense Phoenix is running.

So now the Suns are resigned to a lineup with Shaquille O’Neal being their only quality big while playing a racecar system predicated on spacing and beating the other team down the floor, and how does that make any sense?

For the time being their other bigs minutes will be played by Lou Amundson and Jared Dudley, along with small forwards Matt Barnes and Grant Hill, who is nursing a foot injury that’s put him at less than full strength the past few games.

The Suns have now fallen 1 1/2 games out of the playoff race, and it almost seems high that John Hollinger’s Playoff Odds give them a 71.3 percent chance of reaching the postseason. Yes, we’re talking about just making the playoffs.

After Tuesday’s game against the Bobcats, the Suns will play eight of nine against winning teams, including seven in a row (and four on the road) after Friday.

The Suns are now the Little Engine That Could, and from a fan’s perspective, that could even be more fun. Ask Richardson and Barnes how much everybody involved with the 2007 Golden State Warriors enjoyed sneaking into the playoffs and taking down the No. 1 seed.

Phoenix will be the most fun team in basketball to watch the rest of the season so long as everybody stays healthy, although the Suns are in the tenuous position of being just one injury to a key player away from a sure lottery fate.

After all that, the Suns have in some ways come full circle. They’re back to playing the most unconventional style in the NBA after a few months of deciding that won’t work in May and June, only the pieces don’t fit nearly as well as they did in 2004-05 with a plodding O’Neal instead of a fleet-footed Amare, an aging Grant Hill playing the Shawn Marion role, and Steve Nash four years older.

Four years ago Suns fans didn’t really know what to expect, giddy about a team that raced out to a 31-4 start with a style that captured the imagination of America before puttering out against a more experienced San Antonio team.

Four years later the Run and Fun is on life support, desperate for a last gasp at a mere playoff berth before Robert Sarver potentially takes the hammer to the roster over the offseason.

So many things have gone painfully wrong since Horry connected with Nash, Suns fans must be wondering what could possibly be next.

tp2021
02-24-2009, 12:40 AM
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the collapse of a contender in 1 word or less (http://phoenix.fanster.com/2009/02/23/the-collapse-of-a-contender-in-2500-words-or-less/)
by valley of the suns

disclaimer: The following post will depress you without even making any mention of selling draft picks. Do not read at the top of tall buildings, near sharp objects or while eating breakfast. Valleyofthesuns.com is not responsible for any accidents that may occur.

waaaa

xellos88330
02-24-2009, 12:45 AM
The pavement.... hehe :D

toki9
02-24-2009, 12:45 AM
hm...the Valley of Whine anyone?

HarlemHeat37
02-24-2009, 12:48 AM
the Spurs definitely killed this era's Suns..but they're simply a loser franchise..41 years with 0 titles to show for it is pathetic..

I also never understand the argument that "if Duncan didn't make that 3"..we beat them 4-1..if 1 shot in game 1 kills your entire will to win, than that's pathetic, and very telling about the Suns franchise..

alchemist
02-24-2009, 12:55 AM
:wakeup

td4mvp21
02-24-2009, 12:59 AM
They still talk about us? Damn.

coopdogg3
02-24-2009, 01:00 AM
I don't know. Does anybody teach or follow logic anymore? IF Jones and Elson had an altercation than Bowen and Duncan should have been suspended. There wasn't. So there wasn't. Than he calls it hypocritical. 2 different scenarios. 2 different results. Nothing hypocritical about it.

I know we've been over it 1000 times, but it still makes me mad that Phoenix Suns fans can't admit "We broke the rules, the rules are very specific, the punishment was specific, we have nobody to blame but ourselves". Just say it.

I mean, Ewing got suspended by having a toenail across the line, and they're gonna gripe about the "spirit of the rule"? It never fails to piss me off.

Brutalis
02-24-2009, 01:00 AM
I stopped reading. This is so typical for the Phoenix Suns as a franchise. Broken record like.

exstatic
02-24-2009, 01:06 AM
Horry didn't cost the Suns a championship, Sarver did. By shipping out JJ in 2005, instead of Matrix (who cost more) he also mandated shipping out probably more first rounders than SA has recently. Keep JJ, ship Matrix in 2005 (they dealt him anyway), and keep the picks. That would have been scary.

I laugh when I hear Suns fans opine that the series result would have somehow turned out different without the suspensions. Unbelievable as it seems, SA's record in the four asskickings in the playoffs is BETTER on the Suns floor than their own. The Spurs are winning that 2007 series, no matter what.

Yorae
02-24-2009, 01:11 AM
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/4b/fullj.00ba725d06f7436c3226f801006ea5f8/00ba725d06f7436c3226f801006ea5f8-getty-82921732bg002_nba_cares.jpg

Kid: So how does san antonio players' ass taste like?
Grant: ........

Ditty
02-24-2009, 01:22 AM
speaking of this i can't wait to go to phoniex next year for wrestlemania 26 defiantly i will wear my spurs gear

ElNono
02-24-2009, 01:27 AM
Contender? Pretenders...

Mugen
02-24-2009, 01:32 AM
sometimes i feel bad for the suns, but then i read articles like this and can't help but smile.

SenorSpur
02-24-2009, 01:36 AM
Horry didn't cost the Suns a championship, Sarver did. By shipping out JJ in 2005, instead of Matrix (who cost more) he also mandated shipping out probably more first rounders than SA has recently. Keep JJ, ship Matrix in 2005 (they dealt him anyway), and keep the picks. That would have been scary.

I laugh when I hear Suns fans opine that the series result would have somehow turned out different without the suspensions. Unbelievable as it seems, SA's record in the four asskickings in the playoffs is BETTER on the Suns floor than their own. The Spurs are winning that 2007 series, no matter what.

I also found it peculiar that amidst all the whining and excuse-making, the writer never mentioned the boneheaded blunders by that chicken-fried owner, Robert Sarver.

Blake
02-24-2009, 01:54 AM
how does Amare seem to always get poked in the eye

50Bestspurever
02-24-2009, 02:04 AM
OMG!! Is there any wonder why suns fan are seen as whiny little bitches. Seriously sun fan, let it go and just join the pile of franchises that the mighty spurs have crushed on the way to a dynasty (minesota, denver, seattle,utah, portland,dallas,L.A. to name a few). Get over it. One of these days you will get yours but before that quit crying. Talking smack is cool but crying is just plain unAmerican.

ECZ
02-24-2009, 02:14 AM
:toast

:flag:

Harry Callahan
02-24-2009, 07:14 AM
Does Sarver still do the chicken dance?

Ghazi
02-24-2009, 07:28 AM
OMG!! Is there any wonder why suns fan are seen as whiny little bitches. Seriously sun fan, let it go and just join the pile of franchises that the mighty spurs have crushed on the way to a dynasty (minesota, denver, seattle,utah, portland,dallas,L.A. to name a few). Get over it. One of these days you will get yours but before that quit crying. Talking smack is cool but crying is just plain unAmerican.


Where? When?

Mr. Body
02-24-2009, 07:43 AM
Horry didn't cost the Suns a championship, Sarver did. By shipping out JJ in 2005, instead of Matrix (who cost more) he also mandated shipping out probably more first rounders than SA has recently. Keep JJ, ship Matrix in 2005 (they dealt him anyway), and keep the picks. That would have been scary.

Coming in to say exactly this. Shawn Marion was hugely overpaid and Joe Johnson was clearly the better player. But hey, can't have a playmaker on the team other than aging Nash, can you?

Get rid of Marion, resign JJ, keep your draft picks to develop a bench... you have a different animal.

benefactor
02-24-2009, 08:08 AM
These never get old...

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CubanMustGo
02-24-2009, 08:18 AM
Where? When?

Yeah, it's obvious YOU wouldn't know.

tmtcsc
02-24-2009, 09:49 AM
"There’s no saying the Suns would have won Game 5 at full strength (or even with just Diaw, which I believe would have been the case) or even a Game 7 against the playoff-tested Spurs not to mention the later two series San Antonio won to take home the crown."

You can stop right there. Go ask the New Orleans Hornets how it felt to blow us out in 3 games and still lose game 7 to a battered Ginobili and the Spurs.

Phoenix never had a team as tough as last year's Hornets team. No, you would not have beaten us in a Game 7 series. Just face it. You guys have been completely torn apart by the Spurs literally.

WE OWN YOU.

Manu Ginobili had more to do with Phoenix's collapse into has beens and never was's than Horry (wasn't really a cheap shot so much as a poor attempt to take a charge. Was Horry really going to flop down and act like Nash ran him over ? Nah.)

Its so typical for Phoenix to look for excuses instead of looking in the mirror. Yeah, you guys were great. Had it not been for a cheap shot by Horry, you would have somehow found the mental toughness and discipline to beat us ? Pffft..Now that's funny.

YoMamaIsCallin
02-24-2009, 10:43 AM
Like they say in the ad, "You were fooled".

The Phoenix Suns are built to win in the regular season, not to win in the playoffs, and everybody who understands the NBA knows this.

Why? To make money.

The formula is: play an exciting, run-and-gun style. Generate media attention to your "superstars" who either can't (Nash) or won't (Amare) play a lick of defense. Sell out the arena all season. Make the playoffs and sell out some playoff games. Lose to a team (it's been the Spurs every time for some reason) who understands how to play in the playoffs. Make money. Now sell off your draft picks and make more money.

Conclusion? Suns fans are simply having their money sucked out of them by an owner who pretends to care about winning but, deep down, doesn't care that much.

BTW Dallas is similar, but not quite as bad. Cuban knows how to make money, and certainly has on the Mavs. He THINKS he knows how to build a championship team, but he really doesn't.

Ghazi
02-24-2009, 10:47 AM
"There’s no saying the Suns would have won Game 5 at full strength (or even with just Diaw, which I believe would have been the case) or even a Game 7 against the playoff-tested Spurs not to mention the later two series San Antonio won to take home the crown."

You can stop right there. Go ask the New Orleans Hornets how it felt to blow us out in 3 games and still lose game 7 to a battered Ginobili and the Spurs.

Phoenix never had a team as tough as last year's Hornets team. No, you would not have beaten us in a Game 7 series. Just face it. You guys have been completely torn apart by the Spurs literally.

WE OWN YOU.

Manu Ginobili had more to do with Phoenix's collapse into has beens and never was's than Horry (wasn't really a cheap shot so much as a poor attempt to take a charge. Was Horry really going to flop down and act like Nash ran him over ? Nah.)

Its so typical for Phoenix to look for excuses instead of looking in the mirror. Yeah, you guys were great. Had it not been for a cheap shot by Horry, you would have somehow found the mental toughness and discipline to beat us ? Pffft..Now that's funny.


did u just use tough and NOLA in the same sentence? NOLA is softer than tissue paper, just a jump shooting team. Once the jump shots stopped falling, they failed to generate offense, scored 80 points in game 6 and 82 points in game 7, and ended up blowing a 2-0 lead.

FromWayDowntown
02-24-2009, 10:58 AM
did u just use tough and NOLA in the same sentence? NOLA is softer than tissue paper, just a jump shooting team. Once the jump shots stopped falling, they failed to generate offense, scored 80 points in game 6 and 82 points in game 7, and ended up blowing a 2-0 lead.

And the '07 Suns were a bunch of fire-breathing, hard as stone tough guys?

TDMVPDPOY
02-24-2009, 10:58 AM
how does Amare seem to always get poked in the eye

have u tried bukake shots to the face? its not fun when one gets hit in the eye :lmao

Ghazi
02-24-2009, 11:01 AM
And the '07 Suns were a bunch of fire-breathing, hard as stone tough guys?

No, but neither were the hornets

temujin
02-24-2009, 11:21 AM
I am releasing an important piece of information this knowledgeable writer is missing.

CIA-POP sent SA agent Steve Kerr to destroy that jewel team of Phoenix.

Mission accomplished!

PS. Agent Kerr can now move on to LA.

phxspurfan
02-24-2009, 11:26 AM
They still talk about us? Damn.

They won't let it go here. Many fans (some of my friends) are just resigned to the fact that SA is just better now...as is probably most of the league, citing that we have Duncan and they don't. But, what irks me most is the anger the Suns crowd shows at home games to any call that goes against the Suns. Some of the calls are obviously right on, but many of them just like to scream and have a fit.

TDMVPDPOY
02-24-2009, 11:39 AM
They won't let it go here. Many fans (some of my friends) are just resigned to the fact that SA is just better now...as is probably most of the league, citing that we have Duncan and they don't. But, what irks me most is the anger the Suns crowd shows at home games to any call that goes against the Suns. Some of the calls are obviously right on, but many of them just like to scream and have a fit.

it doesnt help when there football team got pwned in the superbowl by some player name santonio....PWNED

DarrinS
02-24-2009, 11:39 AM
The Celtics-Suns game exemplified everything that is wrong with the Suns.


Steve Nash can't defend ANYONE. Never has, never will.

TDomination
02-24-2009, 11:44 AM
Just like the Jazz couldn't win because of the Bulls in the 90's, now we have the Suns that couldn't win because of the Spurs in the 00's.

LockBeard
02-24-2009, 11:47 AM
After seeing the Suns collapse faster than America, I can't help but almost feel for their fans.

Looking back, it was pretty much bullshit the Suns did not have a fair shake in 2007 against The Spurs. Regardless if it was self-inflicted.

koriwhat
02-24-2009, 11:49 AM
it doesnt help when there football team got pwned in the superbowl by some player name santonio....PWNED

hahaha

YODA
02-24-2009, 11:55 AM
i stopped reading. This is so typical for the phoenix suns as a franchise. Broken record like.


+1

SpursDynasty
02-24-2009, 12:03 PM
Blah blah blah.

Phoenix wasn't winning in 2005, 2007, or 2008 because the Spurs were there to take them out.

But how about 2006 WCF's? They won Game 1 in Dallas but failed to win that series. To reach the WCF's without Amare, then lose to a fluke Dallas team?

phxspurfan
02-24-2009, 12:11 PM
it doesnt help when there football team got pwned in the superbowl by some player name santonio....PWNED

That is funny...I didn't realize his name was that close until I was playing touch football last sunday and a friend called me 'San Antonio' Holmes...lol

Mr Bones
02-24-2009, 12:11 PM
Don’t leave that bench

When Horry sent Nash hurtling toward press row, Stoudemire and Boris Diaw did what was only humanely natural when they saw their meal ticket sprawled out on the deck: They took a few steps toward the action before stopping as assistant coach Marc Iavaroni grabbed them to prevent them from joining the fray.

Phoenix fans never get tired of telling this lie: Amare did not "take a few steps" towards the court, he took many. He went running towards the court and even aggressively pushed his own assistant coach aside to get there. The first sign of a liar is usually the need to falsify the set up to the action.

The NBA handled the situation with absolute fairness. Horry's cheap shop was punished with one suspended game and his scrap with Bell added another to it, for a total of two. Amare and Boris blatantly broke a rule that demands a one game suspension, and they both received that. No other solution could've been more fair.

pawe
02-24-2009, 12:12 PM
You know the Spurs are in the their head when they start calling us the San Antonio Sterns. You wont believe how hated the Spurs are in this city. I love it!

TDMVPDPOY
02-24-2009, 12:21 PM
You know the Spurs are in the their head when they start calling us the San Antonio Sterns. You wont believe how hated the Spurs are in this city. I love it!

only thing here is they are in our shoes during the fakers 3peat how we took alot of the bashing.....

DBMethos
02-24-2009, 12:52 PM
it doesnt help when there football team got pwned in the superbowl by some player name santonio....PWNED

LOL that's awesome!

ehz33satx
02-24-2009, 01:06 PM
I wonder how many die hard Phoenix Suns fans, after years of loyalty, but bitter losses to a more experienced foe, have switched their loyalties over to a proven winner, and now follow the San Antonio Spurs?

IronMexican
02-24-2009, 01:12 PM
You know the Spurs are in the their head when they start calling us the San Antonio Sterns. You wont believe how hated the Spurs are in this city. I love it!

Sounds like you guys on the Lakers. Awesome!:lol

ehz33satx
02-24-2009, 01:21 PM
At least Phoenix's WNBA team has a championship banner to hang from the rafters. How does it feel to be a Suns fan and look up and all you see is a 1 WNBA championship banner? The Mercury could possibly win a few more championships even before the Suns win their first.



:flag:

ehz33satx
02-24-2009, 02:11 PM
Do the Suns even allow the Mercury to hang their WNBA championship banner from the rafters during Suns games?

RandomGuy
02-24-2009, 02:26 PM
Man, that was depressing, and I am not even a Suns fan.

Makes one appreciate a well-run organization like the Spurs even more.

Sure we have some hiccups here and there, but all in all, Pop is the man.

Honestly, I would love to talk with him at some point about Russia and its current place/stance in current geo-politics to pick his brains about that. From what I am given to understand about the efficacy of his thought process, it would be interesting to get his opinion/insights into that.

But that is for another thread in another forum.

Spursmania
02-24-2009, 02:59 PM
Suns-get a grip. Sop whining again and concentrate on the here and now. Spurs are a better coached team and always have been. They have the discipline and the leadership to get things done. Stop acting the fool and whining about Duncan's 3 pointer and for God's sake-take accountability for your own player's stupid actions. :bang

Amare screwed up and violated a rule and got suspended-to believe that Horry alone is to blame for all these things is SAD just sad..... Really, somebody needs to give you guys counseling....:lmao

Agloco
02-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Are the Spurs in any team's head as much as the Suns?

The collapse of a contender in 2 words or less (http://phoenix.fanster.com/2009/02/23/the-collapse-of-a-contender-in-2500-words-or-less/)
By Valley of the Suns



Da Spurs :flag::flag:

tmtcsc
02-24-2009, 03:38 PM
did u just use tough and NOLA in the same sentence? NOLA is softer than tissue paper, just a jump shooting team. Once the jump shots stopped falling, they failed to generate offense, scored 80 points in game 6 and 82 points in game 7, and ended up blowing a 2-0 lead.

Last year's NOLA team had the second best record in the Conference. Chandler and West both provided a formidable inside game. In fact, Chandler's Alley Oop dunks had us Spurs fans sick to our stomachs. We couldn't seem to stop it.

What changed is that Pop decided to take away Peja by putting Bowen on him. That neutralized the perimiter game while the Spurs bigs finally made David West work for his baskets. He was left entirely too open and we really didn't show him enough respect until it was almost too late.

They didn't just beat us, the humiliated us on our home court during the regular season. They played aggressive and they played physical. I'm not sure why you think last year's team was soft.

Budkin
02-24-2009, 04:13 PM
I think the Suns should be grateful that they lost as much as they did to such an amazing team, and three times to the eventual champs!

Xylus
02-24-2009, 04:29 PM
This article is one dude's take.

San Antonio is no longer in our heads. Every contender in the league is in our heads. I can't recall the last time we beat the New Orleans Hornets or the Los Angeles Lakers.

HORNSWOGGLE
02-24-2009, 04:42 PM
Sounds like you guys on the Lakers. Awesome!:lol

True, but the Spurs still have championships that have gone right through the lakers

phxspurfan
02-24-2009, 05:13 PM
This article is one dude's take.

San Antonio is no longer in our heads. Every contender in the league is in our heads. I can't recall the last time we beat the New Orleans Hornets or the Los Angeles Lakers.

I think that's because they're not confident they can gets stops against teams when the games get close. Naturally, against the better 'contenders,' the games get closer at the end and sometimes come down to who gets the stop and bucket. Let's just hope for the Suns' sake that they're ahead by 20 every game in the playoffs. Or that the acquisition of Shaq magically gives them some defensive swagger.

peskypesky
02-24-2009, 05:19 PM
Da Spurs :flag::flag:

:toast

jdev82
02-24-2009, 05:47 PM
we own steve nash and the suns so nasty and so bad we literally walk them around on fucking leashes