Rasho vs. Nazr

[Manufan909]

I didn't follow the Spurs all that much back when they were on the team, so I was just curious how everyone thought they compared. I'm talking overall, overall D, overall O, help D, one-on-one D, passing skills, clogging the lane. Chem with Timmy, all of it.

I personally remember Rasho in a more favorable light, but I could be wrong.

[xellos88330]

I like Rasho more than Nazr. Rasho could at least catch better than Nazr under the basket. Should be an easy basket, but a bobbled pass turns into a turnover. I do not recall that happening as much with Rasho.

[raspsa]

Rasho was a more skilled player offensively, defensively he knew how to play team defense. Once in a while he'd manage a block or two. He had the tools, he just wasn't aggressive enough, specially on the offense.
Nazr, I'd cringe whenever he had the ball in the paint. The best thing he could do was use his strength to get rebounds.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

For 2/3 months Nazr was better than Rasho has ever been and all his weaknesses were neglected by an inspired play. Then he faded away.

[mystargtr34]

Offense - Tie. Nazr, when he actually caught the ball, could finish better than Rasho around the basket, and was more aggressive, probably too aggressive for his skillset. Rasho was more skilled but didnt use it much.

Rebounding - Nazr. More agile, athletic and aggressive on the boards.

Defense - Rasho. He was a better help defender. One-on-one defense is probably a tie though. Nazr could hold his own.

Overall - Rasho. Just. Better IQ, didnt miss rotations, and was a pretty good passer when given the opportunity. Also defended Yao better than anyother C in the L. Nazr doesnt look like much now, hes fallen off quite a bit.

[urunobili]

Nazr is more aggresive... but for the team's current necessity... Rasho>Nazr

[Spurs Brazil]

Narz played great starting in that back to back OT wins Clippers and Warriors, when TD was out because of the uncle, until game 7 of the Finals. It was a very good run and I thought we had our starting center for the next 4-5 years.
But then in 06 he misses a lot of time in training camp and was up and down the whole season, and in the 1st game of the playoffs against the Kings the game was over and he made a triple. That was the end for him

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

... and in the 1st game of the playoffs against the Kings the game was over and he made a triple. That was the end for him

Funny as hell, Pop chewed his ass, I couldn't believe it.We were up 40 or something by that time.

[Taco]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3472/93547557.jpg

[Kamnik]

At this point... Rasho without a doubt.

He always needed more just a little more confidence and he could be a badass starting center in the NBA. He has all the skills (still does). He is just too timid.

[Blake]

this thread brings a tear to my eye

[SenorSpur]

Narz played great starting in that back to back OT wins Clippers and Warriors, when TD was out because of the uncle, until game 7 of the Finals. It was a very good run and I thought we had our starting center for the next 4-5 years.
But then in 06 he misses a lot of time in training camp and was up and down the whole season, and in the 1st game of the playoffs against the Kings the game was over and he made a triple. That was the end for him

I did too. I remember when Nazr went for 30 and 15 in a road game versus the Suns. There's no doubt that he was a difference-maker throughout that grueling NBA Finals series versus the Pistons - especially Game 7.

With his energy, hustle and rebounding, I could've lived with his bad hands. However, he never seemed to grasp the defensive rotations and frustrated coaches and teammates because he always seemed to be out of position.

Rasho was a solid rebounder, shotblocker and post defender. He could score when he was open. His problem was he rarely played aggressively. It just wasn't his nature.

[Biggems]

Nazr is the only guy I ever saw airball a dunk, and he did it twice.........both times in the Finals against Detroit.

I would definitely take the Rashostein monster back before Nazr.

[ploto]

Not sure of the point of the thread. Nazr is definitely not going to be bought out.

[Kobayagi]

Nazr is the only guy I ever saw airball a dunk,

lol how does that look? :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

lol how does that look? :lol

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[MI21]

Wow, this is like a time machine. 2005/2006, is that you?

Nazr was a beast on the offensive boards, put up some points and was able to block shots as a Spur (never had high bpg on other teams). Rasho was a much better overall defender, less prone to mistakes and mental blocks and a better passer.

Teams had to pay much more attention to Nazr when defending the Spurs but they would worry about Rasho more when trying to score.

I feel Nazr's contributions are a little bit forgotten during the 2005 title run. At that time, I felt that Nazr was better, and gave the Spurs a bit of toughness and a bit more attitude and agressiveness offensively... but right now, Rasho has him beat, and would gladly accept him back on the team at a cheap rate.

[SenorSpur]

Wow, this is like a time machine. 2005/2006, is that you?

Nazr was a beast on the offensive boards, put up some points and was able to block shots as a Spur (never had high bpg on other teams). Rasho was a much better overall defender, less prone to mistakes and mental blocks and a better passer.

Teams had to pay much more attention to Nazr when defending the Spurs but they would worry about Rasho more when trying to score.

I feel Nazr's contributions are a little bit forgotten during the 2005 title run. At that time, I felt that Nazr was better, and gave the Spurs a bit of toughness and a bit more attitude and agressiveness offensively... but right now, Rasho has him beat, and would gladly accept him back on the team at a cheap rate.

Amen! :toast

That was the strange thing about Nazr. He had the worse hands this side of Malik Rose. Absolute brick hands. But he was an absolute terror on the offensive glass.

[Agloco]

Rasho>Nazr

Nazr has the worst hands in the league. I don't think there was a single pass he didn't fumble around with or just straight up lose when the ball came his way........

Pus Rasho has a nice jumper and blocks a decent amount as well.

[velik_m]

Oh goodie, a topic that's not been done to death:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12265
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13542
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13655
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15654
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20829
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21300
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21714
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22485
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32887
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35849
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39885
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53048
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62886
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53429
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23014

And these are just the ones with Rasho&Nazr in thread title...

Next up: Tony vs. Manu.

[Dex]

I would take Rasho for the long haul. Despite his complete lack of offensive aggressiveness, he was the most solid defender we've had inside since Robinson left. His rotational defense and positioning were always outstanding.

Nazr had a great run in '05, but I think was a prime example a player that was intellectually up to par with the Spurs system. As soon as he started to overthink things, it went downhill from there. That, and he couldn't catch a cold.

[Old School 44]

Yes...as others have pointed out Nazr had terrible hands on offense. He was more athletic and quicker than Rasho (that's not saying much). I'd go with Rasho though, he made less mistakes on defense and had a better overall offensive game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I did too. I remember when Nazr went for 30 and 15 in a road game versus the Suns. There's no doubt that he was a difference-maker throughout that grueling NBA Finals series versus the Pistons - especially Game 7.

I remember that 30 point game for Nazr but the Suns love giving career high nights to the C playing next to Duncan, that's always been the case. I remember Oberto having a 22 point game against us two years ago.

But yeah when I watched Nazr in 2004-2005 I thought he'd be a decent Robinson replacement. Of course I knew he wasn't as good as Robinson but he could attack the offensive boards extremely well and found ways to score when matched up against a smaller player. He was a huge factor in the 2005 Suns series.

But like a lot of SA role players, another team offers them a huge longterm contract that SA doesn't even think about matching and their career falters.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I remember that 30 point game for Nazr but the Suns love giving career high nights to the C playing next to Duncan, that's always been the case. I remember Oberto having a 22 point game against us two years ago.



Didn't Oberto have his points on 11/11 shooting or something similarly ridiculous?

[TDomination]

I never thought I'd see a Rasho vs Nazr thread again.

[urunobili]

I remember in 2006 i gave Pop full responsibility for the loss to Dallas for NOT using Nazr in the series at all... neither Rasho...

I think Nazr screwed his career with the Spurs when he hit that 3 against the Kings when the game was all but over... damn Pop ranted like never before after that play... and Nazr... almost never played again...

[Manufan909]

Wow, that was a retarded thing to get pissed about, especially if the Spurs were up 40 like someone said.

[SenorSpur]

But like a lot of SA role players, another team offers them a huge longterm contract that SA doesn't even think about matching and their career falters.
Funny how Nazr's career went into the tank after he left. Remember the Pistons panicked and gave Nazr their MLE, when Wallace bolted for Chicago. They regretted that decision almost immediately, as he never was able to become a regular rotation contributor.

[Manufan909]

Hell, even though I wasn't a massive Spurs homer in '05, I remember Nazr couldn't catch the ball to save his life.

And why is Rasho so good on Yao? Is it just his combo of skills and smarts? Is he just uncanny at knowing what move Yao will go to most of the time? Does he make Yao lose his cool?

[velik_m]

I remember Yao owning Rasho, when China played Slovenia, so i don't know where this "Rasho the Yao stopper" comes from. Rasho had better defensive performances against KG.

[SpursDynasty]

While we're talking about Spurs vs. Spurs players....

Tony vs. Manu?

[urunobili]

While we're talking about Spurs vs. Spurs players....

Tony vs. Manu?

Can we get the pinkage warning for TP vs MG again? you looked SO sexy on pink... :lol

[RashoFan]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3472/93547557.jpg

Gee, is there a NazrFan? I think not!
But there is a RashoFan!
Rasho Baby!!!

[dastrey]

I remember Rasho not being able to rotate fast enough on defense. He was good against slower teams, but useless against faster teams.

[West Coast Spur]

For the time that we had Nazr, I think he was better than Rasho. I always remember Nazr being that missing link on the 05 team, putting us over the top for the ship.