Fantasy: 1 on 1 , who wins?

[Rapper]

young TD vs young DR, 21 points

Duncan at age of 25 vs Robinson at ago of 25

Surely Duncan could beat David Robinson by 21-16

[mudyez]

duncan is the more versatile one und therefore he should be better in an one on one game.

I'm not saing robinson is a one trick pony, but I think timmies range and handles are what put him over the admiral.

[Winters]

How can Robinson beat Timmy?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I think Duncan's game is better suited for a one on one. One of the reasons D-Rob could be so dominant is that he always beat his man up the court, so he could work from whatever position he wanted. Remove that from the equation and I think Duncan's got a deeper bag of tricks to work with.

[Thomas82]

duncan is the more versatile one und therefore he should be better in an one on one game.

I'm not saing robinson is a one trick pony, but I think timmies range and handles are what put him over the admiral.


I think Duncan's game is better suited for a one on one. One of the reasons D-Rob could be so dominant is that he always beat his man up the court, so he could work from whatever position he wanted. Remove that from the equation and I think Duncan's got a deeper bag of tricks to work with.

I agree with both of these.

[SPURS21]

I'm taking DRob. 25 year old DRob was freakishly quick. His athleticism mixed with his defense would take Timmy one on one.

[ambchang]

Robinson was a better one on one defender than Duncan ever was.
To those who think Robinson lacks an offensive game is really kidding themselves. Yes, his post moves were not great compared to Duncan, but his face up game was better. He had a killer first step and a money 18-foot pull up. Duncan would have trouble guarding that.
21-15, Robinson.

[TDfan2007]

I think I remember David mentioned how Tim just destroyed him in training camp just before Tim's rookie season. I know DRob wasn't in his prime then, but Tim wasn't either. It's a tough call and I'm a biased opinion, but I'd go with Tim because of his underrated handles and ability to shoot from pretty much anywhere (even though we don't see that part of his game very often). 21-16 Tim.

[VI_Massive]

Handles?!?!?! If Timmy has one weakness its his handle. Personally, I have my fingers crossed every time he puts the ball on the floor. Don't get me wrong, I love TD as much as anyone, but things can get a bit tentative when Timmy's handling the ball.

[whottt]

I think I remember David mentioned how Tim just destroyed him in training camp just before Tim's rookie season. I know DRob wasn't in his prime then, but Tim wasn't either. It's a tough call and I'm a biased opinion, but I'd go with Tim because of his underrated handles and ability to shoot from pretty much anywhere (even though we don't see that part of his game very often). 21-16 Tim.

Actually Pop said he had second thoughts about not draftng Keith Van Horne after watching Duncan match up with Robinson, the broken down one that had just had a hernia.


The game would go something like this:

Robinson - dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk

Duncan - bank, bank, bank, miss, dunk, bank, bank, bank, miss, dunk


The major differences between these two players offensively is that Drob was better at getting to the FT line, and Duncan is better at handling double teams.

So it's not that Duncan is the better one on one player...it's that he's the better player within a team system(and style of play).

Drob is a physical freak and I don't really think anyone was capable of guarding him in a one on one situation. That's why he was so good at getting to the FT line.

You could stop him with a double team though(which is why he saw them so often).


Keep in mind...Drob is the guy that lead the league in scoring, and rebounding, and blocks. And FTA...

And dunks.

And won a DPOY.

He did all that pretty much because of his athleticism.

[polandprzem]

IMO Tim would figure D-Rob out and since then he would win in 80-90% of time


F whottt with his dunk shit ;)

[J.T.]

The game would go something like this:

Robinson - dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk, dunk

Duncan - bank, bank, bank, miss, dunk, bank, bank, bank, miss, dunk


The two Duncan misses were actually blocks by Robinson.

[jag]

Drob is a physical freak and I don't really think anyone was capable of guarding him in a one on one situation. That's why he was so good at getting to the FT line.



Agreed.

Duncan has always had difficulty against guys with length and athleticism. He's had problems with guys like Tyson Chandler....for the record, DRob would piss all over Chandler.

Rob had difficulty against guys with superior strength (Shaq, Malone)...Duncan does not have the upper hand here.

Game goes to Robinson.

[whottt]

IMO Tim would figure D-Rob out and since then he would win in 80-90% of time


What Duncan would figure out is that Drob is like 10 times faster, and he's also stronger, taller, can jump higher, can dunk better, can block shots better, can shoot FT's better


In short...what Duncan would figure out is that he needs to be 2 people.

And Gnomes don't really help.

Then he'd say fuck it and challenge Drob to a game on the Play Station.




F whottt with his dunk shit ;)


It is what it is...25 year old David Robinson lead the NBA in dunks, and rebounds...and blocks. All in the same season.

I hope you understand what a truly freakish accomplishment that is..

And he was second in FTA.

[duncan228]

And Gnomes don't really help.

:lol


Then he'd say fuck it and challenge Drob to a game on the Play Station.

:lmao

[urunobili]

Drob no question... TD would be a handful for him... but his quickness would overpower TD...

[jag]

And Gnomes don't really help.


That's because everyone knows the roses are out of bounds...not the daisies.

[whottt]

:lol



:lmao

To be fair...Duncan would probably become more determined to beat Drob...but you can't coach or learn what Robinson had at that age. I mean it's one thing to figure it out...it's entirely another to stop it. That why Drob used to piss everyone off. Becuase he could just walk out there and do it without putting any work into it.

So Duncan would wait until Drob was diagnosed with the hernia and then show at the hosptial saying IT"S ON NOW MF! CHECK BALL! :lol

[Killakobe81]

One thing not factored in here clutch ...
DRob is the better athlete and was quicker and stronger ...
But Timmy has way more moves in his arsenal and in the clutch Duncan is making his baskets as the game gets tight ...can you HONESTLY say the same about the admiral? How many truly clutch shots has he made in his career? In that aspect he is similar to Shaq ...yes they were both dominant but down the stretch ...I dont want either withthe ball in their hands ...
If robinson can get out and stay in front of Tim the advantage to him, but if it is close or he falls behind i bet the house on Timmay all-day everyday and ...Im not biased i watched both in their primes and both in college tim is the better player, better competitor!
Now duncan vs. hakeem now that would be a true matchup ...we already saw that hakeem would destroy Drob 1 on1

[Obstructed_View]

When people start playing fantasy 1 on 1, nobody wins.

[Killakobe81]

When people start playing fantasy 1 on 1, nobody wins.

I see nothing wrong with the OP people argue this in barbr shops, parks, gyms all the time MJ or LBJ, magic or bird, wil or Rusell, emmitt or barry ...

[jdev82]

young TD vs young DR, 21 points

Duncan at age of 25 vs Robinson at ago of 25

Surely Duncan could beat David Robinson by 21-16


i thought i told you to stop posting.
what is wrong with you do you not understand engrish?
or do you just not understand the concept of a team sport?
go back to china and watch the all star game you mental midget.

[BigDaddyCool]

At those ages Timmy loses to DR.... Timmy isnt athletic enough to keep up... Timmy will last to a longer age but at those ages I would have to give the athleticism edge to DR.

[Rogue]

young TD vs young DR, 21 points

Duncan at age of 25 vs Robinson at ago of 25

Surely Duncan could beat David Robinson by 21-16
you win. you intend to provoke a battle between two brothers then you can take their cookies and eat them.

[SpursIndonesia]

One on one, prime DRob will beat prime TD handsdown, no doubt about it, he's just too freakishly athletic and dominant to be guarded one on one -you guys shouldn't have forgotten that Hakeem only beat DRob with plenty help from his teammates in doubleteaming, and DRob didn't respond double team all that well. But 5 on 5, with equivalent/exactly the same teammates, i'll take Duncan team in a series, no question asked.

[whottt]

One on one, prime DRob will beat prime TD handsdown, no doubt about it, he's just too freakishly athletic and dominant to be guarded one on one -you guys shouldn't have forgotten that Hakeem only beat DRob with plenty help from his teammates in doubleteaming, and DRob didn't respond double team all that well. But 5 on 5, with equivalent/exactly the same teammates, i'll take Duncan team in a series, no question asked.

Werd..the difference in speed would be the major issue.

Does anybody remember watching Duncan trying to guard Amare in 2005 when Amare put 37PPG on him?

Or Dirk in 2007 when Dirk looked like Wilt and Pop wouldn't even attempt guarding him with Duncan?

Drob was faster than Amare and Dirk, and could jump higher, and was taller, and stronger.

And he's a better defender than Duncan is...Drob took the toughest defensive assignment on the same court with Duncan, even when he was broken.


Drob wasn't a choker either...I wouldn't say he was clutch like Duncan is...but he's not going to beat himself either, which is what choking is.


The Amdiral wins this...it's really not up to much debate for thosee that saw Drob play in his prime...

Yeah Duncan probably does a better job of making his teamates better and his will to win was unequestionable...but David Robinson was a freak.

He was probably in the top 5 of the fastest players in the NBA..he was definitely the fastest on the Spurs, and AJ was a pretty damn quick guard so that's saying something. 7'1...fastest player on the teamn and probably one of the fastest in the league. That combination ought to be illegal. Not just his feet, but his hands too, which is why he finished in the top 5 in steals one year and averaged about one and a half per game for his career.


And if Hakeem had been guarding Drob 1 on 1...he'd have seen less minutes because he would have been in foul trouble.

[E20]

DRob was one BUFF and RIPPED mofo, plus with all that speed/quickness/agility..........FUDGE :wow

Look at that physique!!:

http://sports.espn.go.com/media/nba/2003/0611/photo/a_spurs_i.jpg
http://www.free-ecourse.net/SanAntonioSpurs/David-Robinson.jpg
http://www.makingpages.org/hoops/maloneelbowsrobinson.jpg

[Fernando TD21]

Wasn't there a thread with a poll, about the same subject, made a long time ago? If I remember correctly, the vote results were pretty even.

[duncan228]

Wasn't there a thread with a poll, about the same subject, made a long time ago? If I remember correctly, the vote results were pretty even.

105-103 Duncan.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90127

[Mavs<Spurs]

I think Timmy would take DRob.

Tim's variety on the block would serve him well against DRob.

Timmy's the better shooter also.

But fantastic players, but Timmy is a top10 of all time. DRob is a top50 of all time.

And even in 1 on 1, Timmy would win.

:nope

[MrChug]

I feel confident saying that DRob would be hard to bet against in this instance. I know they're both masters of the defensive craft, but Robinson was simply better.

He was impossible to defend on drives to the basket because of his freakish quickness in his younger days and there weren't many who could stay with him step for step, as evidenced by the stats that show how many times defenders had to foul him to stay off of posters and basketball cards. He was always tops in trips to the line:

1989-90 NBA 837 (2)
1990-91 NBA 777 (2)
1991-92 NBA 561 (4)
1992-93 NBA 766 (2)
1993-94 NBA 925 (1)
1994-95 NBA 847 (2)
1995-96 NBA 823 (1)
1997-98 NBA 660 (4)

His jumper and up and under moves were pretty flawless in his prime too...I think the argument that he was a TEAM scorer doesn't hold water. Tim's hard to defend, but David was practically impossible to.

[whottt]

How you gonna stop it?

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You can't out run it...and unless your name is Shaq, you aren't overpowering it.


2 players in NBA history have won a scoring title and a DPOY...

One is named Michael Jordan, the other is named David Robinson.


It seems to be the trend in these threads to act like David Robinson had the scoring ability of Malik Rose or something.,


That made about 5 seasons where he scored over 25PP...all of them better than Duncan's best season, and he shot well over 50% in all of them.

He scored 29ppg one season...

He scored 71 points in a game.


He had one season where he averaged nearly 5 assists per game...

And he shot over 70% from the FT line for his career. And he got there a hell of a lot.


And ya'll are absolutely right, he wasn't the offensive player that he was a defensive player, that does not mean he was a poor offensive player, it means was an absolutely incredible defensive player.

The Admiral won't be stopped in this contest unless you put some bionic legs on Duncan.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

whottt...i never realized Robinson led the league in FTA...pretty damn impressive.

[Fernando TD21]

105-103 Duncan.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90127
Thanks! I searched for it but couldn't find anything. :toast

I think that thread had many good arguments for both sides. I remember voting for Duncan, but changing my mind later. D-Rob would probably win it.

[duncan228]

Thanks! I searched for it but couldn't find anything. :toast

Happy to help.

[TwelveGs210]

duncan is the more versatile one und therefore he should be better in an one on one game.

I'm not saing robinson is a one trick pony, but I think timmies range and handles are what put him over the admiral.

what do you mean timmies range put him over.. in 95 robinson was REGULARLY taking 3's and making them..he has the range, he just knew his role and what shots he had a higher percentage of making

[whottt]

whottt...i never realized Robinson led the league in FTA...pretty damn impressive.

Drob lead the league in FTA twice and he was 2nd 4 other times, and 4th 2 other times, he lead the league in FTM 3 times, was 2nd 3 other times, and 4th 2 other times.


You look at the list of all time FTA and you will see David Robinson ranks 11th on that list in 14 seasons. Some players shot more than Drob in more seasons...some shot more than Drob in the same number of seasons(Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson and Jerry West)...


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html

But what you don't see is that David Robinson really only played 13 seasons...and only 7 of those were as the main guy, the other 6 he was broken and getting secondary(or fewer)touches. So basically he did the bulk of what put him on that list in 7 seasons.

He's on the short list for the greatest at getting to the line of all time...Wilt was better. Shaq may be better...



Differnce is? Shaq is a 50% FT shooter, Wilt was a 40% FT shooter...

David Robinson was a 70% FT shooter...

Teams weren't fouling David to put him on the line...they were doing it because that's what happened when you defended him with one person.

Which is why they seldom did it...

[whottt]

I feel confident saying that DRob would be hard to bet against in this instance. I know they're both masters of the defensive craft, but Robinson was simply better.

He was impossible to defend on drives to the basket because of his freakish quickness in his younger days and there weren't many who could stay with him step for step, as evidenced by the stats that show how many times defenders had to foul him to stay off of posters and basketball cards. He was always tops in trips to the line:

1989-90 NBA 837 (2)
1990-91 NBA 777 (2)
1991-92 NBA 561 (4)
1992-93 NBA 766 (2)
1993-94 NBA 925 (1)
1994-95 NBA 847 (2)
1995-96 NBA 823 (1)
1997-98 NBA 660 (4)

His jumper and up and under moves were pretty flawless in his prime too...I think the argument that he was a TEAM scorer doesn't hold water. Tim's hard to defend, but David was practically impossible to.


David was impossible to defend 1 on 1...Duncan is next to impossible to defend 1 on 1, he's also next to impossible to defend 2 on 1, whereas Drob was not. But Drob could defend just about anyone 1 on 1 as well. That's pretty much the reason Drob would win...

Like I said earlier, once Duncan got it figured out what he'd figure out is that he needs to be twins.

Saying Duncan would will himself to be able to keep up with Drob's speed, power and athleticism...well you might as well claim he could will himself fast enough to win the Olympic 100 meters or high jump.


If you gave Dwight Howard Amare's speed, you'd have a player about like Drob.,..only not quite as fast or coordinated, but slightly more powerful.


IIRC correctly Drob was still winning the windsprints in his final season of 2003...on a team that included Tony Parker and Speedy Claxton.


It's like when Drob grew from a 6'4 guard to a 7'1 C in a year...it happened so quick his body forgot it was supposed to get slower as it got bigger. It just wasn't natural for a 7'1 man to have the agility and speed Drob had.


Funny thing is Duncan is fast by bigman's standards...

And Drob? Drob was fast by point guard standards.

You can't coach speed.

[E20]

Damn look at those tri's.

http://www.impeccablecollectibles.com/images/100172a165.jpg

[Yorae]

Well, how about matching up stronger players.
Say Udoka vs Vaughn?

It'll go like this:

Udoka: Clank, Clank, JShot, Clank, Clank, Loses Ball, Loses Ball, Layup, Clank, Clank.
Vaughn: Clank, Clank, Clank, Clank, Clank, Clank, Clank, Circus Shot Made, Layup Made, Clank, Clank, Clank.....