Bad cop or she got what she deserved?

[Slydragon]

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SEATTLE (AP) — A King County sheriff's deputy kicks a 15-year-old girl, slams her to the floor of a jail cell, strikes her and pulls her hair in violence captured on videotape.

Prosecutors released the surveillance video Friday in the assault case against Deputy Paul Schene, who is accused of using excessive force on the girl. Schene, 31, pleaded not guilty to fourth-degree assault in Superior Court on Thursday.

The incident last November began after the girl was brought in for an auto theft investigation, according to court documents. The footage shows the attack beginning after the girl enters the cell at suburban SeaTac City Hall and kicks off one of her shoes toward the deputy.

"We believe this case is beyond just police misconduct, it's criminal misconduct," King County Prosecutor Daniel Satterberg said. "This is clearly excessive force."

Schene was investigated previously for shooting two people — killing one — in the line of duty in 2002 and 2006. Both times his actions were found to be justified, said Ian Goodhew, prosecutor's deputy chief of staff.

Calls by The Associated Press to Schene's lawyer, Anne Bremner, were not immediately returned Friday. Bremner, however, released a statement to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in which she said the video does not tell the whole story. Bremner had asked Judge Catherine Shaffer not to release the video to the media.

"As we argued to the judge, it will inflame public opinion and will severely impact the deputy's right to a fair trial," Bremner said.

In the video, a deputy kicks the girl, pushing her back toward the wall. The deputy then strongly backs the girl against the wall and slams her to the floor by grabbing her hair. A second deputy enters the holding cell, while the first deputy holds the girl face down to the floor. The first deputy appears to hit the girl with his hands. The girl is then lifted up and led out of the cell while the first deputy holds her hair.

The second officer shown in the video was a trainee at the time and is not under investigation, Goodhew said.

According to court documents, the girl complained of breathing problems after the incident and medics were called to check her. A short time later, she was taken to a youth detention center and booked for investigation of auto theft and third-degree assault, the latter accusation dealing with her conduct toward the deputy. The girl has pleaded not guilty to taking a motor vehicle without permission, Goodhew said Friday, adding she was never formally charged with assault.

Schene told investigators through an e-mail conversation with his lawyer that once he was assaulted by the girl kicking her shoe at him, he entered the cell to "prevent another assault," according to court documents. Schene also said the girl failed to comply with instructions in the holding area.

Prosecutors said Schene did not explain why he struck the girl after he had her in a holding position on the floor.

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[The Franchise]

She was a stupid little heifer, but she in no way deserved that. If it were your sister you would be looking for blood. I hope they put his ass under the jail. If he were to get off, and I was her family, that cowardly bully would come up missing.

[attyjackiechiles]

That's totally inappropriate. It's an infringement on her constitutional rights. It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous!!

[Spur-Addict]

WoW

[Slydragon]

The Franchise why is your name red and I think I saw mouses as green. What have I miss?

[slayermin]

She's a 15 year old girl. That's fucked up regardless if she's guilty or not.

[MiamiHeat]

Take away his badge, throw him in jail. this is ridiculous.

[dave]

the girls not innocent, but i say throw the cop in jail and let him get raped by the other prisoners

[Spur-Addict]

She ate a hard lunging, semi hook jab to the face. That guy looks about 6'1 210 semi built ish. Maybe she should keep her shoes on next time. Over the line though.

[samikeyp]

she's a 15 year old girl. That's fucked up regardless if she's guilty or not.

+1

[jack sommerset]

I am on the fence with this one. I don't care for cops much and I hate 15 year old teenage ugly whores who steal and run there mouths. The dude will lose his job so another dumb cop is off the street and the teenage whore just might keep that mouth shut next time. Its a win win for me.

[mrsmaalox]

I know a smartmouth, smartass 15 yr old can push a person to their breaking point, but he clearly over reacted. That was a pretty weak effort she made with the shoe.

[Biernutz]

He was a little rough but we only see what happened in the cell. She thought it was OK to kick her shoe at him. Did she give him a lot of crap to finally piss him off? A 15 year old with a big mouth? No way!

[tlongII]

That's how we roll up in the PNW!

[chode_regulator]

I would say that MAYBE the punches were a little much after she was on the ground. Other than that, fair game. No way to know what went on before that, and though a little lame, she did kick her shoe at him. If I was in jail I wouldn't be doing anything along those lines. Unless I was a hardened criminal, which I doubt she is.

[Winehole23]

She ate a hard lunging, semi hook jab to the face. That guy looks about 6'1 210 semi built ish. Maybe she should keep her shoes on next time. Over the line though.I thought so too. Flipping the shoe was totally provocative and set the officer off, but the officer's response was totally overcooked.

Her peers will have a close look at this incident for sure whether or not the charges against her stand. Unfortunately, some of them are on the vid too.

The guy on her back randomly started punching her at some point. What ever happened to him? or was that cool?

[Winehole23]

. That was a pretty weak effort she made with the shoe.It was contemptuous.

But yeah. All she did was flip her shoe.

Some officers prefer Islamic submission to authority, and show it too much.

[Opinionater]

IMHO, the officer needs to learn how to keep his cool like Bush.

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2008/12/14/bush-shoes.gif

[Winehole23]

The Iraqis tenderized this perp. His behavior was contrary to the customary hospitality. Whatever happened to him?

[Summers]

He was a little rough but we only see what happened in the cell. She thought it was OK to kick her shoe at him. Did she give him a lot of crap to finally piss him off? A 15 year old with a big mouth? No way!

It doesn't matter what she did to provoke him. Part of his job is to not lose it.

[Richard Cranium]

You can never be too careful. She may have been wearing these.
http://estb.msn.com/i/2A/9584EAD5CB3B11AFEE4F471A7B9E12.jpg

[manufor3]

You can never be too careful. She may have been wearing these.
http://estb.msn.com/i/2A/9584EAD5CB3B11AFEE4F471A7B9E12.jpg

:lol:lol:lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Are you people serious? The dude's a cop! there's a responsibility that comes with that. You can't kick someones ass just because she got on your nerves or threw a shoe at you. I don't give a shit if it was an annoying 15 year old girl.

[Biernutz]

It doesn't matter what she did to provoke him. Part of his job is to not lose it.

Easy for you to say. Thing is we don't know the whole story from the start ,only the vid.

[Summers]

Easy for you to say. Thing is we don't know the whole story from the start ,only the vid.

It doesn't matter what the rest of the story is, unless it was something life-threatening, like she pulled a gun that we couldn't see in the video. She's an unarmed suspect. He's a cop. He has a job to do and he failed.

[Biernutz]

It doesn't matter what the rest of the story is, unless it was something life-threatening, like she pulled a gun that we couldn't see in the video. She's an unarmed suspect. He's a cop. He has a job to do and he failed.

Hey---don't steal cars and don't give cops shit in the jail house. How simple is that! Just how stupid can she be? --Oh that stupid!

[Summers]

Hey---don't steal cars and don't give cops shit in the jail house. How simple is that! Just how stupid can she be? --Oh that stupid!

I find it disturbing you watch that video and think the 15-year-old girl is the stupid one. He probably goes home and beats his wife for burning dinner. Don't burn dinner and mouth off about it! How simple is that?

[Biernutz]

I find it disturbing you watch that video and think the 15-year-old girl is the stupid one. He probably goes home and beats his wife for burning dinner. Don't burn dinner and mouth off about it! How simple is that?


Your stupid! Join the real world .

[mrsmaalox]

Hey---don't steal cars and don't give cops shit in the jail house. How simple is that! Just how stupid can she be? --Oh that stupid!

But it says that she was brought in for investigation of car theft, not that she had stolen a car. What if she didn't really know anything about it? True, we don't know all the details from either side, but going by this video alone, it's clearly an excessive use of force, even if she was being the asshole teenager from hell!

[Summers]

Your stupid! Join the real world .

Try again to make a good argument for your case, and this time not like a 15-year-old girl.

[Biernutz]

But it says that she was brought in for investigation of car theft, not that she had stolen a car. What if she didn't really know anything about it? True, we don't know all the details from either side, but going by this video alone, it's clearly an excessive use of force, even if she was being the asshole teenager from hell!

I said in a previous post i though that he was rough with her BUT, if you go to jail do what they say, don't give them any shit of any kind. Do you think he would have slammed her if she just did what he told her? It is a Jail not a church.

[Richard Cranium]

Wearing a badge makes it right. :rolleyes

[Bigzax]

hopefully he gets put away and she gets paid.

win win.

[jack sommerset]

hopefully he gets put away and she gets paid.

win win.

Paid. Gawd.

[The Franchise]

I said in a previous post i though that he was rough with her BUT, if you go to jail do what they say, don't give them any shit of any kind. Do you think he would have slammed her if she just did what he told her? It is a Jail not a church.

Damn your stupid.

[Biernutz]

Damn your stupid.

You a Rockets fan and your calling me stupid :lol

[BlackSwordsMan]

rofl@ the end he picks her up like a dog by the hair.

[BlackSwordsMan]

the cop was justified when she threw her shoe towards the deputy he felt like he and his partner were in danger and took the necessary precautions as highlighted in the guidebook book issued to every officer.
/case

[The Reckoning]

ouch

[Sec24Row7]

Cop needs to be jolly stomped based on that evidence...

[baseline bum]

I wonder what Biernutz thought of the cop shooting the guy in the back in Oakland.

[Chief]

you have to be a little sensitive while dealing with a 15 year old, She's just 15 , young n dumb, can't be beating her up like that.

[Biernutz]

I wonder what Biernutz thought of the cop shooting the guy in the back in Oakland.


What did you think when a car thief shot Officer Daniel Vega in the leg on Feb. 11.

[Spursmania]

That idiot deserves to lose his job. He went too far. Don't care that she threw a shoe at him, he used excessive force and should be punished for it. She'll obviously get what's coming to her as well, but in no way should have ever gotten assaulted like that!

Those of you who think the cop did the right thing come from a dysfunctional background and you need counseling/rehab or both!

[Shaolin-Style]

Unless she has a disease and spit on him, that's completely uncalled for when he starts hammering her in the back.

[baseline bum]

What did you think when a car thief shot Officer Daniel Vega in the leg on Feb. 11.

Better than getting shot in the back and killed I guess.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Two things to take out of this thread... 1) Biernutz is a dumbass, 2) so is BlackSwordsMan... but we already knew that one.

[Cleveland Steamer]

Where are all the women-beaters from the Rihanna thread? Is this one of those scenarios when they should get a pass for beating up a girl?

[MiamiHeat]

Biernutz is a moron. His daddy probably masturbated him when he was 10 years old and he thinks that is OK too.

Biernutz : Don't scream when your dad anally penetrates you and he won't hit you with the baseball bat! How simple is that??


I hope the cop goes to jail and loses his badge permanently.

[Spursmania]

Two things to take out of this thread... 1) Biernutz is a dumbass, 2) so is BlackSwordsMan... but we already knew that one.

:tu

[Biernutz]

Two things to take out of this thread... 1) Biernutz is a dumbass, 2) so is BlackSwordsMan... but we already knew that one.


For the last time --if you are in the jail house do what the want. Don't give the jailers any shit. Just do it. She pushed the button on the wrong cop. No doubt he will get fired for excessive force. If you don't like what I have to say then delete all the postings of the people who don't agree with you. Your listed as mod --I have a opinion and opinions are like assholes -everyone has one and they all stink.

[The Franchise]

^ If it were you being beaten like that do you think your opinion might change a little?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

For the last time --if you are in the jail house do what the want. Don't give the jailers any shit. Just do it. She pushed the button on the wrong cop. No doubt he will get fired for excessive force. If you don't like what I have to say then delete all the postings of the people who don't agree with you. Your listed as mod --I have a opinion and opinions are like assholes -everyone has one and they all stink.

I'm only a mod in the international forum, but regardless, you'll find that at Spurstalk, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Nobody is going to delete your posts no matter how stupid your take may be. In other words, you're entitled to say whatever you want, and I'm entitled to say whatever I want about it.

[smeagol]

For the last time --if you are in the jail house do what the want. Don't give the jailers any shit. Just do it. She pushed the button on the wrong cop. No doubt he will get fired for excessive force. If you don't like what I have to say then delete all the postings of the people who don't agree with you. Your listed as mod --I have a opinion and opinions are like assholes -everyone has one and they all stink.

You have the right to an opinion and we have the right to call you an idiot.

Nobody will be deleting your posts around here. Well at least not for what you posted on this thread.

[mavs>spurs2]

that cop is a pussy. what a viscious attack against a 15 year old girl for tossing a shoe. if that were my little sister/daughter he'd be found barely alive in a ditch. i hope all real men would do the same

[MiamiHeat]

he punched her in the face, he slammed her down to the ground violently by yanking heir hair, he then punched her while he was on her back, and then he picked her up by her hair like a dog.

the guy should be charged with assault first degree and thrown in jail and forever lose his badge.

[Cry Havoc]

Personally I believe that any 15 year old who doesn't take her shoe off and drop it straight on the ground should be kicked, punched, slammed against a wall, and then thrown to the ground by her hair.

In related news:

Schene was last in the news in 2006 after he fatally shot a mentally ill man 11 times during a struggle after a traffic stop on Interstate 5. It was the second officer-involved shooting in his career. Schene has also been charged with a DUI in the past.

Man, that cop's just a winner!

[TDMVPDPOY]

he punched her in the face, he slammed her down to the ground violently by yanking heir hair, he then punched her while he was on her back, and then he picked her up by her hair like a dog.

the guy should be charged with assault first degree and thrown in jail and forever lose his badge.

didnt he learnt that TDK scene where the joker comes visit the mafia mob in that room where he shows them a trick and slams one of the guys head into the pen lmao.....

all i see is either that cop gets thrown off the force and entitlements and benefits waived.

[whottt]

That cop was out of line, needs to be charged with assault and battery and needs to lose his badge or at least be suspended. I don't care what she did or what she said, at that particular moment in time she was no great danger to him in any way and thus that beating was totally uncalled for. No matter how much of a smartass she was being. Cops aren't allowed to just beat the shit out of people. They are allowed to use force to defend themselves or apprehend criminals...not because they are pissed off.

What a bully...if he does that to some smartass girl no telling what he'd do to his own wife and kids.

Guys like that give Cops a bad name...

[DarkReign]

Para-military strikes again.

Power tripping cops...is there any other kind, really?

[Mixability]

It was a cop, the sky is blue. Where's the surprise?

[Trainwreck2100]

Para-military strikes again.

Power tripping cops...is there any other kind, really?

how bad would you feel about her if that bitch was one of the ones who robbed your house?

[Mixability]

how bad would you feel about her if that bitch was one of the ones who robbed your house?

Like the little guy with the bad haircut in the Wendy's commercial would say:


OH SNAP

[Summers]

how bad would you feel about her if that bitch was one of the ones who robbed your house?

I would personally feel really fucking pissed off and violent. But the LAW is defined as justice free from passion. If it was okay to hurt someone just because they'd made someone in the world mad, we wouldn't need to bother with the jury system.

[Trainwreck2100]

I would personally feel really fucking pissed off and violent. But the LAW is defined as justice free from passion. If it was okay to hurt someone just because they'd made someone in the world mad, we wouldn't need to bother with the jury system.

I'm from the school of thought that says, don't steal from people and then people should care when the cops beat the shit out of you.

[The Franchise]

how bad would you feel about her if that bitch was one of the ones who robbed your house?

I'd feel good because her ass is in jail so I'll probably be getting my shit back! :lol

[MiamiHeat]

how bad would you feel about her if that bitch was one of the ones who robbed your house?

This is a logical fallacy because

1) The cop isn't the victim

2) Victims don't decide what justice is specifically because it's a conflict of interest

this is why we have jurors who are NEUTRAL, one who has nothing to gain if the person is guilty or innocent.

imagine our justice system ran by people who were the victims of the crimes. a bank robber goes in front of a judge who runs a bank. a mugger goes in front of a judge who was mugged. everyone would be burned alive.

that's not how justice works, so your example is not valid

[ZStomp]

That's fucked up. That's a no no. It's a 15-year old little girl!

[Trainwreck2100]

This is a logical fallacy because

1) The cop isn't the victim

2) Victims don't decide what justice is specifically because it's a conflict of interest

this is why we have jurors who are NEUTRAL, one who has nothing to gain if the person is guilty or innocent.

imagine our justice system ran by people who were the victims of the crimes. a bank robber goes in front of a judge who runs a bank. a mugger goes in front of a judge who was mugged. everyone would be burned alive.

that's not how justice works, so your example is not valid

where did i say it was justice? I said i didn't give a shit

[Soundbyte]

how bad would you feel about her if that bitch was one of the ones who robbed your house?

No different. Cops are not my vehicle for retribution, nor should they ever be.