Kings waive Gooden; Spurs next?

[rayray2k8]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aiak.Ptp1rtj1qX7Xbmfxx68vLYF?slug=aw-goodenspurs030109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Drew Gooden agreed to a buyout with the Sacramento Kings and the San Antonio Spurs are the favorite to sign him for the rest of the regular season and playoffs, two league executives said on Sunday night.

Gooden came to Sacramento on Feb. 19 in a trade with the Chicago Bulls, and it had been expected that the last-place Kings would buy him out, save some money and allow the power forward to move to a contender. The Cleveland Cavaliers are also a contender for Gooden.

The Kings beat Sunday’s midnight Eastern deadline for Gooden to be eligible to play in the playoffs for another team. Gooden, who makes $7.1 million this season, has an expiring contract. The Kings saved themselves approximately $1.8 million with the buyout agreement.

The Spurs have wanted badly to add frontcourt help, and nearly pulled off a trade deadline deal for Los Angeles Clippers center Marcus Camby. Gooden could give the Spurs much-needed size if they face the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference playoffs.

The Oklahoma City Thunder also reached a buyout with veteran forward Joe Smith, and several league executives believe Smith is headed to the Cavaliers. If the Cavs and Smith reach an agreement quickly, Gooden would almost certainly wind up with the Spurs.

If Smith and Gooden clear waivers Wednesday morning, they will be free to sign with any team of their choosing.

The New Jersey Nets also waived forward Stromile Swift on Sunday.

[Juanobili]

Drew Gooden agreed to a buyout with the Sacramento Kings and the San Antonio Spurs are the favorite to sign him for the rest of the regular season and playoffs, two league executives said on Sunday night.

Gooden had come to the Kings on Feb. 19 in a trade with the Chicago Bulls, but it had been expected that the last-place Kings would buy him out, save some money and allow the power forward to move to a contender. The Cleveland Cavaliers are also a contender for Gooden.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArNk81NPddzAgYW5iFV99RW8vLYF?slug=aw-goodenspurs030109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Juanobili]

ah beat me

[traitoravery]

Nice!!! Please don't pull a Maggette, Gooden.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Source?

[tomtom]

If he's cheap I guess it couldnt be too bad, hes got some decent offense though his defense is questionable

[Xylus]

Fuck no, he's ours!!

[Please_dont_ban_me]

At a bargain price, hell yes.

[Juanobili]

Source?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArNk81NPddzAgYW5iFV99RW8vLYF?slug=aw-goodenspurs030109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[duncan228]

Source?

Adrian Wojnarowski

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-goodenspurs030109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[traitoravery]

almost averages a double double for his career.

[m33p0]

only if he's cheap. the guy has a decent jumpshot and space-filler in the paint. but the beard has to go.

[rayray2k8]

I hear Swift got waived too...
Now's the time to sign a big...

[Marcus Bryant]

Could be worse. He rebounds at a good clip and can score enough which makes up for the rest of his play and his general douchebaggery.

Definitely not the shotblocking/intimidator type. But at this point beggars can't be choosers.

[Brox6]

Kings waive Gooden; Spurs next?
Yahoo Sports! (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al5zD7WK7Bx15lEfU8dGfAy8vLYF?slug=aw-goodenspurs030109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Drew Gooden agreed to a buyout with the Sacramento Kings and the San Antonio Spurs are the favorite to sign him for the rest of the regular season and playoffs, two league executives said on Sunday night.

Gooden had come to the Kings on Feb. 19 in a trade with the Chicago Bulls, but it had been expected that the last-place Kings would buy him out, save some money and allow the power forward to move to a contender. The Cleveland Cavaliers are also a contender for Gooden.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

At a bargain, hell yes.

[Spursmania]

Holy Shit! Is this True? Could the Spurs have actually landed Gooden? I've read the article-any other sources?

[m33p0]

it's already march 1. i don't think he'll be eligible for the playoffs.

[024]

interesting. better than standing pat at least.

[Ditty]

would he be eligible for the playoffs would be a great pickup

[Juanobili]

nothing to lose right? hope we get more info on all this

[024]

it's already march 1. i don't think he'll be eligible for the playoffs.

it's not 9PM PST yet.

[rayray2k8]

it's already march 1. i don't think he'll be eligible for the playoffs.

Teams can pick him up...

[Please_dont_ban_me]

it's already march 1. i don't think he'll be eligible for the playoffs.

I'm guessing they did it today because he still would be.

[SenorSpur]

Assuming they come to terms with him, which roster spot will the Spurs open up for Gooden? Who will they let go?

[Marcus Bryant]

it's already march 1. i don't think he'll be eligible for the playoffs.

He's eligible. If he was waived after today he would not be.

[celldweller]

Just please shave that crap of his chin if he does come.

[Budkin]

Very servicable!

[rayray2k8]

So out of the 3 between Joe Smith, Gooden and Swift, which is the best available?

[Spursmania]

it's already march 1. i don't think he'll be eligible for the playoffs.

He's still eligible.

[BlackSwordsMan]

yah today is the last day for PO eligibility

[m33p0]

He's eligible. If he was waived after today he would not be.
thanks for the clarification. :toast

[Juanobili]

so we should hear about the signing soon? exciting

EDIT: IF it happens

[Xylus]

Man, we need Gooden bad right now, but I don't think there's anyway we can get him.

[m33p0]

personally, i'll go with gooden simply because he has been in more meaningful games that the other 2 especially the past 3 seasons. playoff experience is a major plus.

[024]

i think he has underachieved in the league as a number 4 pick. he's an average PF but again, still better than doing nothing. he can definitely grab those boards.

[Ditty]

So out of the 3 between Joe Smith, Gooden and Swift, which is the best available?

gooden

joe smith aint that great

[BlackSwordsMan]

Man, we need Gooden bad right now, but I don't think there's anyway we can get him.

nah suns are ok

[groovezone]

Assuming they come to terms with him, which roster spot will the Spurs open up for Gooden? Who will they let go?

After tonight's performance, take your pick.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Assuming they come to terms with him, which roster spot will the Spurs open up for Gooden? Who will they let go?

Hairston would be my guess.

I love his game, but I think he'll be a regular in the rotation NEXT year. I wouldn't mind seeing Udoka go instead, but I don't see that happening.

[Xylus]

We have Matt Barnes and Grant Hill starting at the 4. We need a PF. :lol

[iggypop123]

10 min left to sign him for playoff elegibility. i dont know why he wouldnt want to play for us but whatever

[BlackSwordsMan]

bye udoka!

[m33p0]

pop has invested too much on udoka to not allow ime to prove himself. it's either hairston or bonsu.

[Marcus Bryant]

So out of the 3 between Joe Smith, Gooden and Swift, which is the best available?

In terms of youth, Gooden. Plus if there's one thing he knows how to do, it's hit the glass.

In terms of experience, Smith. I'd feel a little more comfortable with him joining the rotation this late in the season.

Neither one overwhelms you at this point, except for the fact that the alternative is some Spurs fans' latest wet dream.

[SenorSpur]

Swift sucks, Joe is old, Gooden has playoff XP.

Go with Gooden, I think he is what the Spurs have been missing all year, a second inside scorer.

Is he really and truly an efficient inside scorer? I always thought he was a bit of a poor man's Carlos Boozer. Don't know if that's and apt comparison.

[ploto]

10 min left to sign him for playoff elegibility. i dont know why he wouldnt want to play for us but whatever

He just has to be waived by midnight.

[honestfool84]

Drew Gooden, per NBA.com

PPG 13.1
RPG 8.70
APG 1.4
EFF+ 16.06

[iggypop123]

He just has to be waived by midnight.

oh ok i thought signed as well.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Is he really and truly an efficient inside scorer? I always thought he was a bit of a poor man's Carlos Boozer. Don't know if that's and apt comparison.

As a 2nd post option, going against the other teams second best interior defender...he can put up good numbers.

[iggypop123]

Is he really and truly an efficient inside scorer? I always thought he was a bit of a poor man's Carlos Boozer. Don't know if that's and apt comparison.

you mean a poor mans boozer who only shoots jumpshots then yes

[Marcus Bryant]

Gooden's offense is primarily garbage type points and the occasional J.

[Pablo Escobar]

so when should we hear anything

[traitoravery]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3944959

Looks like the Mavs are in the running also.... Mehhh

[024]

he can grab rebounds. he's also not a bazillion years old. can be serviceable down the stretch.

[Russ]

10 min left to sign him for playoff elegibility. i dont know why he wouldnt want to play for us but whatever

I don't think so -- he just has to released by tonight to be eligible (I think).

Anyway, let's get him Spurs!

[poop]

pop has invested too much on udoka to not allow ime to prove himself. it's either hairston or bonsu.

ive been here for one day and i can se you are a fool of the highest order.

[m33p0]

In terms of youth, Gooden. Plus if there's one thing he knows how to do, it's hit the glass.

In terms of experience, Smith. I'd feel a little more comfortable with him joining the rotation this late in the season.

Neither one overwhelms you at this point, except for the fact that the alternative is some Spurs fans' latest wet dream.
good point. anyhow, spurs don't need someone who can bowl them over. just someone who can provide decent help on the defensive end and hit the occasional shot.

[SenorSpur]

he can grab rebounds. he's also not a bazillion years old. can be serviceable down the stretch.

If he's not a bazillion years old then he's not experienced enough to play for the Spurs. :lol

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Gooden's offense is primarily garbage type points and the occasional J.

True.

But he rebounds. And we could use some of those garbage points. He could be serviceable.

[ploto]

Spurs have part of MLE but how far are they from the luxury tax? I don't feel like looking it up.

[DPG21920]

Spurs are only at 68 million.

[Sausage]

If it meant giving up Pops, then I'd pass on Drew Gooden.

[objective]

Gooden always struck me as a very low-IQ basketball player, I doubt he'd pick up the defense any better than Pops Mensah Bonsu at this point.

[024]

gooden is a NBA starter. mensah bonsu just got out of the d league after being cut by the freakin mavs. joining a contender might give gooden a boost after being stuck on mediocre teams.

[m33p0]

ive been here for one day and i can se you are a fool of the highest order.
day one is today?

[SouthTexasRancher]

If it meant giving up Pops, then I'd pass on Drew Gooden.


Amen! Pops is a keeper!

[m33p0]

vaughn.

[Spursmania]

gooden is a NBA starter. mensah bonsu just got out of the d league after being cut by the freakin mavs. joining a contender might give gooden a boost after being stuck on mediocre teams.

That's true...
:wakeup

[Spursfan092120]

If it meant giving up Pops, then I'd pass on Drew Gooden.
I don't think Pop would let go of Pops. He already said Pops was the only light in the Cleveland game. And tonight he called him over to calm him down to keep him from fouling out. I think Pop likes him.

[SouthTexasRancher]

r u insane???

Not hardly! Are you?

[Russ]

Assuming they come to terms with him, which roster spot will the Spurs open up for Gooden? Who will they let go?

Pops or Vaughn? (Vaughn could be retained as a coach and slipped back in if Pops doesn't cut it.)

[completely deck]

hmmm.. I don't know how to feel about this. But then again I didn't know what to think about Hill. :fro

[Thompson]

Any particular reason the Spurs are more likely to get him? I would think he might like to return to Cleveland, unless there was some sort of locker room conflict there.

[stxspurs]

i rather bounce vaughn or udoka.....pops has too much upside. all we need is some other team to snatch him up....then start giving us offensive hell in the future

[peskypesky]

please get Gooden if possible!

[Marcus Bryant]

Should be a marriage of convenience. Spurs need a better presence on the glass and Gooden will be looking for his next long term deal this summer. A good recommendation from Mr. Popovich might help him with that.

Obviously you'd prefer a Camby, but Gooden at this point would be just fine.

[justinandimcool]

Go hard at him. With Duncan, KT, Gooden, and Pops being rotated (wishful thinking on PMB), there's no excuse to give up any rebounds and get banged on in the paint.

[duncan228]

Report: Kings buy out F Gooden (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=txkingsgoodenbuyout&prov=st&type=lgns)

The Sacramento Kings agreed to a buyout with forward Drew Gooden, according to Yahoo! Sports on Sunday night.

Citing league executives, the web site said that Gooden and the team agreed just prior to Sunday’s midnight deadline. Terms, however, were not reported.

Yahoo! said that the San Antonio Spurs are the favorites to acquire Gooden, who was sent to the Kings from the Chicago Bulls on February 19, the league’s trade deadline.

Last-place Sacramento, which has been rumored to be having financial difficulties, will save some money when it releases the veteran Gooden, who was owed $7.1 million before the reported buyout agreement.

According to the report, the Cleveland Cavaliers also could be involved in a sweepstakes for Gooden. The Cavs also have been rumored to be interested in forward-center Joe Smith, who was released by the Oklahoma City Thunder earlier Sunday.

[Jmoney]

Sign Gooden then Pop and Gooden can see who can grow the ugliest beard in the NBA.

[MannyIsGod]

Ugh, no fucking thanks.

[jdev82]

So out of the 3 between Joe Smith, Gooden and Swift, which is the best available?

joe smith.

if only he was 7 foot. :(

[L.I.T]

Gooden is the king of the empty double-double.

Joe Smith has a better track-record in terms of decent defense over his career. It would be like Kurt Thomas 2.0...except a three years younger.

[024]

bonner, oberto, and thomas all have one thing in common. they don't play inside basketball. except maybe oberto who has to be 6 inches from the rim in order to score. thomas shoots his 15 footers and bonner also shoots spot up jump shots. thus, when duncan is out of the game, there is no low post threat so the defense just hones in on the perimeter. all the defense needs to do is make sure oberto doesn't get away from them and keep the perimeter locked down and the offense is basically stalled without duncan. having gooden down low would take some pressure off the guards because he is definitely more effective offensively in the low post than bonner, oberto, and thomas.

[Spursfan092120]

Sign Gooden then Pop and Gooden can see who can grow the ugliest beard in the NBA.

Posted this in another thread, but it seems to fit better here.

http://www.blogcdn.com/nba.fanhouse.com/media/2008/10/drew-gooden-425mc-103108.jpg

Just wow..
:wow

[baseline bum]

Talk about good fortune. The Spurs cannot say no to Gooden for the minimum. He'd provide nice scoring off the bench and this team could badly use another guy who can hit the glass. This is a no-lose situation for the team; they have to pull the trigger on this if he's available.

[Duncan2177]

Gooden would be a big upgrade over Oberto,Bonner and Thomas thats for sure.

[timvp]

Man, this is tough. Gooden has a history of being a douche and his defense is Elson-esque. He'll make a few good plays here and there but overall he'll leave you wondering if he has brain matter between his ears.

I guess just based on value alone that you have to sign him if he's willing. 13/9 players, especially 27-year-old 13/9 players, don't become available too often for less than half the MLE.

I have doubts that Pop will ever warm up to him. I also wonder exactly where he fits in the bigman rotation. But I guess on value alone, you gotta make a run at him.

:guin

[Marcus Bryant]

Talk about good fortune. The Spurs cannot say no to Gooden for the minimum. He'd provide nice scoring off the bench and this team could badly use another guy who can hit the glass. This is a no-lose situation for the team; they have to pull the trigger on this if he's available.

Indeed.

[timvp]

Between Joe Smith and Gooden, I'd go with Gooden. Smith is like Kurt Thomas ... except the softer version. At least Gooden offers a few skills the Spurs don't already have covered.

[m33p0]

Man, this is tough. Gooden has a history of being a douche and his defense is Elson-esque. He'll make a few good plays here and there but overall he'll leave you wondering if he has brain matter between his ears.

I guess just based on value alone that you have to sign him if he's willing. 13/9 players, especially 27-year-old 13/9 players, don't become available too often for less than half the MLE.

I have doubts that Pop will ever warm up to him. I also wonder exactly where he fits in the bigman rotation. But I guess on value alone, you gotta make a run at him.

:guin
doubtful Pop ever will. but he's a stop-gap at the least. the best thing you can really say about ducktail is that he has playoff experience. that might be enough to help the spurs.

[Russ]

Between Joe Smith and Gooden, I'd go with Gooden. Smith is like Kurt Thomas ... except the softer version. At least Gooden offers a few skills the Spurs don't already have covered.

I think the Spurs actually need rebounding in the post more than D.

That's why Bonner is so disastrous -- no matter how much he tries to improve on D, he just can't rebound. Never will.

Gooden can (and maybe the D will at least get better).

[Marcus Bryant]

Camby isn't walking through that door, Spurs fans.

[timvp]

Talk about good fortune. The Spurs cannot say no to Gooden for the minimum. He'd provide nice scoring off the benchIf the Spurs take the Gooden plunge, I think starting him come playoff time makes the most sense. Gooden is horrible at protecting the rim so the less you play him without Duncan on the court to have his back, the better. Even Bonner at least will try to get between driving players and the rim.

The Cavs used to use him as a player to go to early in each half ... and he was pretty effective in that role. I don't really see him as a player who can come off the bench and find the flow of the game.

[EricB]

Drew Gooden would make Matt Bonner look like David Robinson defensively.

I'm sorry I don't see how you can give him minutes ahead of guys that give a crap on D.

[m33p0]

fuck this. forget Gooden, Swift and Smith. let the spurs go with what they have and let the dice roll.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Let's face it...the Lakers ain't waiving Kobe and the Cavs ain't waiving LeBron. So far I can't see where any of these guys who were waived tonight can help the Spurs with a little less than 1/4th of the regular season left.

[Avitus1]

*Crosses Fingers* This could be great for us.

[Russ]

Camby isn't walking through that door, Spurs fans.

Gooden may not either. If he really is the dog he seems, he may go to _allas where he won't have to worry about defense or championship pressure.

Also, Pop's reputation for sitting players who don't go hard on D may scare him off. (I assume he'll want to be confident of playing time to push for a new contract.)

He may be more of a Cuban type recruit than a Pop recruit. Creature comforts may be more importatnt to him than rings. (And Dallas is closer to Kansas after all.)

Bottom line -- the Spurs need this guy.

[SequSpur]

Matt Bonner sucks. WTF? You guys really are into 3 pointers aren't you? You all need to go back and watch your vintage spurs championship vhs tapes. Matt Bonner doesn't fit into any playoff run.

[EricB]

Brokenrecordbrokenrecordbrokenrecordbrokenrecord.


:yawn

[m33p0]

Should be a marriage of convenience. Spurs need a better presence on the glass and Gooden will be looking for his next long term deal this summer. A good recommendation from Mr. Popovich might help him with that.

Obviously you'd prefer a Camby, but Gooden at this point would be just fine.
contract year card ftw!

[KidCongo]

The Cavs do not want him back. Spurs can have him.

[EricB]

I'm not a fan of Drew Gooden, but advocating keeping a D leaguer over a proven forward in the NBA?


WTF is wrong with you people?

[crc21209]

I don't see why not. We could use him. Hell a big man rotation of TD, Bonner, Thomas, Gooden, and Oberto mixed in with some Pops sounds good to me. I think he just didnt care about D so much because he was on bad teams who didnt really emphasis it. He should be fine here with the guidance of TD and Pop.

He's avged about 13 and 9 over his career, he can score and rebound in the paint. Vaughn or Udoka got to go though, not Pops.

[SequSpur]

so why do the Spurs want him? come on spurstalk.. wtf?

Sign Horry...


Dude has been pounding beers and chillin, relaxin the sacks...

Sign him!

[objective]

I'm not a fan of Drew Gooden, but advocating keeping a D leaguer over a proven forward in the NBA?


WTF is wrong with you people?

If you're referring to me, as well as other posters reading more into my post than they they should . . .

I was simply drawing a comparison about defense. And I stand by it. Gooden isn't a smart player, and I doubt his defense would be any better than Mensah-Bonsu.

That doesn't say anything regarding keeping PMB over getting Gooden, just keeping it real about his play.

[objective]

I don't see why not. We could use him. Hell a big man rotation of TD, Bonner, Thomas, Gooden, and Oberto mixed in with some Pops sounds good to me. I think he just didnt care about D so much because he was on bad teams who didnt really emphasis it. He should be fine here with the guidance of TD and Pop.

He's avged about 13 and 9 over his career, he can score and rebound in the paint. Vaughn or Udoka got to go though, not Pops.

Gooden was a poor defender when he was on playoff teams, including the 2 year span with the Cavs when he played 33 playoff games and made it to the finals.

[crc21209]

Gooden was a poor defender when he was on playoff teams, including the 2 year span with the Cavs when he played 33 playoff games and made it to the finals.

Cavs and Spurs are two totally different teams.

[Blackjack]

Cavs and Spurs are two totally different teams.

Yeah, Spurs North and Spurs South.

[completely deck]

Yeah, Spurs North and Spurs South.

What?!

[objective]

Cavs and Spurs are two totally different teams.

You posted that Gooden "just didnt care about D so much because he was on bad teams who didnt really emphasis it."

I point out that he was on a very good team that also happens to place an emphasis on defense.

How does the Spurs and Cavs supposedly being very different teams change any of that?

[wisnub]

Drew Gooden agreed to a buyout with the Sacramento Kings and the San Antonio Spurs are the favorite to sign him for the rest of the regular season and playoffs, two league executives said on Sunday night.

Gooden had come to the Kings on Feb. 19 in a trade with the Chicago Bulls, but it had been expected that the last-place Kings would buy him out, save some money and allow the power forward to move to a contender. The Cleveland Cavaliers are also a contender for Gooden.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArNk81NPddzAgYW5iFV99RW8vLYF?slug=aw-goodenspurs030109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I hope this is true...he will be tight,and what we need

[completely deck]

I could be wrong but the deadline just passed, didn't it?

[Spork KIller]

Bwahahahaha

desperate dumbasses...more than likely he will return to Cleveland but anyways Gooden SUCKS big dick!

[angelbelow]

yes please.

[angelbelow]

Bwahahahaha

desperate dumbasses...more than likely he will return to Cleveland but anyways Gooden SUCKS big dick!

i would not be surprised if you are actually a spurs fan and you are just trolling to provide entertainment for your fellow spurs fans.

[Spur-Addict]

Sadly this is would be an upgrade.

I really can't complain because our current front court is geriatric with no signs of the level of competency we'll need to actually attain the chip. Make noise in the playoffs? Yes. Chip? Not likely.

Do something if we can.

:meeting:

[bigdog]

I could be wrong but the deadline just passed, didn't it?

the deadline to waive a player so he can still be eligible for the playoffs with whatever team he signs with? yes.

[Bruno]

Gooden = Scola :stirpot:

[Ice009]

Gooden = Scola :stirpot:

So you're saying he's similar in that they both aren't very good defenders?

[bigdog]

Gooden = Scola :stirpot:

:lol

[TheSpursFNRule]

Bwahahahaha

desperate dumbasses...more than likely he will return to Cleveland but anyways Gooden SUCKS big dick!

your up late. Middle School starts early better get some sleep you fucking idiot. Just buzz off you pathetic piece of shit.

[Bruno]

So you're saying he's similar in that they both aren't very good defenders?

Gooden : 27 years old 6'10" PF who averages 13.1/8.7 in 29.5 mpg this year.
Scola : 28 years old 6'9" PF who averages 12.5/8.4 in 29.4mpg this year.

Both have the complete package on the offensive end and are bad defenders.

What we say in English ? Separated at birth ? :stirpot:

[lurker23]

Gooden = Scola :stirpot:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3269/49415426.jpg

Edit: Bruno beat me, but still... :stirpot:

[mountainballer]

wow, quite a few people on this board want to pass on Gooden.
sorry, but what's the point?
I totally agree, that trading for the player Gooden, in other words sacrifice something useful (players, picks) AND add his 7 million salary to the payroll, is something to not like.
but sign him for about 1.4 million and NOT give up anything is a no brainer. a double no brainer considering the needs of the team. a triple no brainer if the alternative is no signing at all.
so what's the point?
yes, he is a really bad defender. but would you rather have the defensive abilities of Pops on the roster? a Pop crash course in defense turned Big Dog Robinson in a somehow useful player on defense in 2005. let's just assume that Goodens defense won't turn worse after some practices with the Spurs.
and btw. when it was reported that the Spurs are interested in Chris Wilcox most people didn't have a problem with this idea. well, there isn't that much of a difference between Wilcox and Gooden. Wilcox isn't as bad on defense, but he also wouldn't exactly qualify for the all defense team. on offense Gooden is slightly better, he has more range and can put the ball on the floor.

size? Gooden isn't a center, but considering the Spurs current big men line up outside Tim, his 6'10'' and 250 lbs are a size upgrade, especially since he will be the most athletic big on the team.

a tough call would be, if the Spurs were in position to chose between Smith and Gooden, but it seems as if the Cavs are in this position anyhow.
but to get either a Gooden or a Smith caliber player from the waiver sweepstakes would be a little miracle and more we could dream about.

[TheSpursFNRule]

wow, quite a few people on this board want to pass on Gooden.
sorry, but what's the point?
I totally agree, that trading for the player Gooden, in other words sacrifice something useful (players, picks) AND add his 7 million salary to the payroll, is something to not like.
but sign him for about 1.4 million and NOT give up anything is a no brainer. a double no brainer considering the needs of the team. a triple no brainer if the alternative is no signing at all.
so what's the point?
yes, he is a really bad defender. but would you rather have the defensive abilities of Pops on the roster? a Pop crash course in defense turned Big Dog Robinson in a somehow useful player on defense in 2005. let's just assume that Goodens defense won't turn worse after some practices with the Spurs.
and btw. when it was reported that the Spurs are interested in Chris Wilcox most people didn't have a problem with this idea. well, there isn't that much of a difference between Wilcox and Gooden. Wilcox isn't as bad on defense, but he also wouldn't exactly qualify for the all defense team. on offense Gooden is slightly better, he has more range and can put the ball on the floor.

size? Gooden isn't a center, but considering the Spurs current big men line up outside Tim, his 6'10'' and 250 lbs are a size upgrade, especially since he will be the most athletic big on the team.

a tough call would be, if the Spurs were in position to chose between Smith and Gooden, but it seems as if the Cavs are in this position anyhow.
but to get either a Gooden or a Smith caliber player from the waiver sweepstakes would be a little miracle and more we could dream about.

:violin beautiful.

[timtonymanu]

i feel this gooden signing will turn out to be the maggette situation. we never get big name players to come to the Spurs.

[whottt]

Scola>Gooden

I don't like Scola because he is an asshole and is over-rated by Spursfans and Argies, but he's not a dumbass. I mean, he's not going to dunk the ball in his own damn basket. He's just not as good as people think he is. Gooden's a dumbass with a lazy attitude on D.

PS: To any zealout like Argies or other Scola Nazis that might take this as some sort of Olive Branch, go eff yourselves. I still don't like the huge over-rated asshole named Scola...but as others have noted, Drew Gooden is arguably the worst defensive player in the NBA, because of his attitude and no other reason...and he's a dumbass.

Assholes always >>>>> dumbasses

[Thomas82]

i think he has underachieved in the league as a number 4 pick. he's an average PF but again, still better than doing nothing. he can definitely grab those boards.

IMO. one of the biggest reasons for it was because of being bounced around so much so soon is his career, and never getting a chance to settle into a system long enough to have a major impact.

[mudyez]

.532=.460 FG% ???

I agree: if we can get gooden for cheap (and only the rest of this season), we should be happy to get him...I dont like him much and we shouldnt give up anything for him, but right now we just need to strenghten our frontline...timmy, kurt, bonner, oberto, pops just isn't enought for the playoffs, coz bonner will be a big questionmark, oberto is a shipwrack and pops will be too young and unproven for the PO's...I'm not a big fan of gooden and probably would prefer joe smith, but right now the biggs are very rare and some teams need one!

[whottt]

.532=.460 FG% ???

I agree: if we can get gooden for cheap (and only the rest of this season), we should be happy to get him...I dont like him much and we shouldnt give up anything for him, but right now we just need to strenghten our frontline...timmy, kurt, bonner, oberto, pops just isn't enought for the playoffs, coz bonner will be a big questionmark, oberto is a shipwrack and pops will be too young and unproven for the PO's...I'm not a big fan of gooden and probably would prefer joe smith, but right now the biggs are very rare and some teams need one!


A PF shooting 46% is a liability...it's a joke people are somehow thinking he's going to be some kind of positive on offense compared to Bonner...freaking Bonner is shooting better from 3 than Gooden is from the field.

[Thomas82]

Any particular reason the Spurs are more likely to get him? I would think he might like to return to Cleveland, unless there was some sort of locker room conflict there.

Too late, they got Joe Smith.

[angelbelow]

A PF shooting 46% is a liability...it's a joke people are somehow thinking he's going to be some kind of positive on offense compared to Bonner...freaking Bonner is shooting better from 3 than Gooden is from the field.

he was the best post player on the bulls. its likely he saw the other teams best defender.

[whottt]

he was the best post player on the bulls. its likely he saw the other teams best defender.

And sucked ass because of it.

[TheSpursFNRule]

And sucked ass because of it.

yeah man because pretty much averaging double-double's sucks ass. :ihit

[stéphane]

Wow Drew Gooden.
No, the beard isn't enough of an excuse already?

[westbound17]

Drew Gooden for MVP!

[m33p0]

he was the best post player on the bulls. its likely he saw the other teams best defender.
that doesn't say much. bulls don't have any offensive post presence.

[manufor3]

come here and well give you a ring drew!

[BlackSwordsMan]

doesn't matter if spurs sign him now
deadline is over

[lurker23]

doesn't matter if spurs sign him now
deadline is over

Players must be waived by March 1st at the latest to be eligible for the playoffs, but do not have to be signed by that date. All of the guys waived yesterday (3/1) (Smith, Gooden, Swift) will be playoff eligible.

[BlackSwordsMan]

players must be waived by march 1st at the latest to be eligible for the playoffs, but do not have to be signed by that date. All of the guys waived yesterday (3/1) (smith, gooden, swift) will be playoff eligible.

i c

[urunobili]

Bye bye Pops... it was nice while it lasted...

[L.I.T]

he was the best post player on the bulls. its likely he saw the other teams best defender.

He shoots 47% from the field for his career.

[Agloco]

Assuming they come to terms with him, which roster spot will the Spurs open up for Gooden? Who will they let go?

Dump Parkers inconsistent ass......:hat

[tav1]

Gooden : 27 years old 6'10" PF who averages 13.1/8.7 in 29.5 mpg this year.
Scola : 28 years old 6'9" PF who averages 12.5/8.4 in 29.4mpg this year.

Both have the complete package on the offensive end and are bad defenders.

What we say in English ? Separated at birth ? :stirpot:

Bruno, killer comparison. I wouldn't have connected those dots, but you're a smart dude.

[Silverheart80]

I'm not ready to give up on Pops for Drew Gooden. If we can sign Gooden w/o giving up on Pops, I guess....but when I see Gooden, I see a lazy defender who's been with 5(!) NBA teams in only 6 pro seasons. Pretty big red flag to me, when you consider how much all 4 Spurs championships have been hung on defense and team chemistry. Gooden fails on both of those.

When I see Pops, I see a young talent that already knows the Spurs playbook and already has shown more defensive footwork and hustle than ever seen out of Gooden. Frankly, any offensive gain w/ Gooden will be outweighed by his lack of defense. And again, if a guy has already gone through 5 NBA teams in that short of a span, what makes anyone think he's gonna be a better fit here, much less be the missing piece to a championship?

[buttsR4rebounding]

I could be wrong but the deadline just passed, didn't it?

Yes, you are wrong. If a player was waived by 12 p.m. EST on March 1 he is eligible for the playoffs if signed by another team.

[benefactor]

If we sign Gooden Pops will likely be waived. As much as the majority of us want to see Udoka walk out the door it is not going to happen. I like Pops as much as the next guy, but if you are making a choice between him and a 13/9 PF in the NBA there is not much to decide.

As others have said, Gooden is a pretty bad defender. I like the idea of playing him with Duncan to mask some of that. Having his ability to score and rebound is good enough for someone signed at the minimum. He may not even come here...so we will see how it plays out.

[200 miles]

I'm not ready to give up on Pops for Drew Gooden. If we can sign Gooden w/o giving up on Pops, I guess....but when I see Gooden, I see a lazy defender who's been with 5(!) NBA teams in only 6 pro seasons. Pretty big red flag to me, when you consider how much all 4 Spurs championships have been hung on defense and team chemistry. Gooden fails on both of those.

When I see Pops, I see a young talent that already knows the Spurs playbook and already has shown more defensive footwork and hustle than ever seen out of Gooden. Frankly, any offensive gain w/ Gooden will be outweighed by his lack of defense. And again, if a guy has already gone through 5 NBA teams in that short of a span, what makes anyone think he's gonna be a better fit here, much less be the missing piece to a championship?


resounding +1

[MaNu4Tres]

I find it hilarious on how everyone thinks of Pops as the next savior.

[Spursmania]

I find it hilarious on how everyone thinks of Pops as the next savior.


Me too!:lmao:lmao

[Marcus Bryant]

Pops Kunta-Kinte is another D-Leaguer who can wow with his athleticism, but will find it tough to stick at the next level.

Drew Gooden, if he's done anything right, has shown that he can rebound in this league.

Frankly neither one is all that, but given the two it's obvious you take Gooden.

I still do not understand why Spurs fans overrate these rookie free agents and waiver wire pickups and turn them into budding superstars on the cusp of greatness. This happens every f-ing season. These guys are available to the Spurs because they are flawed. Sure, you may find the one who finally gets it at age 25 or whatever but for every one of those there are 20 who won't make the big show. Stop wasting this forum's space with your masturbatory fantasies about Kunta-Kinte, mofos.

[MaNu4Tres]

Pops Kunta-Kinte is another D-Leaguer who can wow with his athleticism, but will find it tough to stick at the next level.

Drew Gooden, if he's done anything right, has shown that he can rebound in this league.

Frankly neither one is all that, but given the two it's obvious you take Gooden.

I still do not understand why Spurs fans overrate these rookie free agents and waiver wire pickups and turn them into budding superstars on the cusp of greatness. This happens every f-ing season. These guys are available to the Spurs because they are flawed. Sure, you may find the one who finally gets it at age 25 or whatever but for every one of those there are 20 who won't make the big show. Stop wasting this forum's space with your masturbatory fantasies about Kunta-Kinte, mofos.


lol Amen..people getting riled up over James White to Pops is just hilarious.

Call me crazy but I think Gooden ( if he chooses us) would be probably our most talented big man we've had next to Tim since Robinson left in 03.

I'm curious to see how he would fit in with us.

[Creation88]

this could be just what we need. i hope it pulls through.

[Fermixalot]

Call me crazy but I think Gooden ( if he chooses us) would be probably our most talented big man we've had next to Tim since Robinson left in 03.



How many times have we said that though? I am willing to give him a chance, because we're getting him for dirt cheap and the Spurs are bargain hunters. As much as I'd like to see what upside Pops could have, I'd have to go with Gooden right now because cutting Hariston would be downright stupid.

We could always just have CIA Pop make Udoka have an "accident." :toast

[mountainballer]

When I see Pops, I see a young talent that already knows the Spurs playbook and already has shown more defensive footwork and hustle than ever seen out of Gooden. Frankly, any offensive gain w/ Gooden will be outweighed by his lack of defense. And again, if a guy has already gone through 5 NBA teams in that short of a span, what makes anyone think he's gonna be a better fit here, much less be the missing piece to a championship?

jesus, what a nonsense.
I support every claim that Gooden is a bad defender, because he is. but to claim that Pops is a better defender? wake up. all Pops did have to do is defending the other teams 3rd stringer PF for 5 minutes. and he didn't do this very well. at least Gooden usually struggled against the other teams starter PF.
"knows Spurs playbook". yeah right. how long has he been with the Spurs ? 1 week? great. this should be possible to catch up for Gooden.
(please don't argue that he has been with the Toros for 2 weeks)
Gooden played for Mike Brown for 3 seasons. you can assume that he has more knowledge about the Spurs playbook than Pops would after a full season. young? Pops is what? 25? Gooden is 27. an old man.

[Doug Collins]

Pops Kunta-Kinte is another D-Leaguer who can wow with his athleticism, but will find it tough to stick at the next level.

Drew Gooden, if he's done anything right, has shown that he can rebound in this league.

Frankly neither one is all that, but given the two it's obvious you take Gooden.

I still do not understand why Spurs fans overrate these rookie free agents and waiver wire pickups and turn them into budding superstars on the cusp of greatness. This happens every f-ing season. These guys are available to the Spurs because they are flawed. Sure, you may find the one who finally gets it at age 25 or whatever but for every one of those there are 20 who won't make the big show. Stop wasting this forum's space with your masturbatory fantasies about Kunta-Kinte, mofos.


+1

While I hate the thought of seeing Gooden's stupid fucking facial hair every game, he's 30x better than Pops. People need to stop blowing their loads over d-league players. Pops may turn into something eventually, but there's a reason he was in the d-league. This team needs veteran help now, something Pops won't give us.

Gooden may suck on defense, but if he can rebound and hit a jumpshot he'd be a huge positive, especially considering how much he'd be making.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't understand how some fans want to nitpick on Gooden. The dude is better than anything we have now outside of duncan. And we'd be signing him for the minimum.

If your going to nitpick on Gooden. Nitpick on bowens offense, mason's penetrating, finleys defense, Kurt's footspeed, Bonner and Oberto defending the paint. I could go on and on.

[Russ]

I can't believe the tepid response to Gooden possibly joining the Spurs.

So he's not a rah-rah guy. Neither was Nazr and he helped 'em get a title. Same with Rasho. Even Kurt Thomas.

So he's not bright. Neither was Nazr, etc. Gooden anchored a good Kansas team under Roy Williams and played in the NBA Finals. We're not talking Kwame Brown dumb.

As to defense, a large part of defense is rebounding -- that ends the other team's possession. And Gooden can do that against the big boys. The Spurs haven't had that beside Duncan for years.

Gooden looks like a nice candidate to take off under the Spurs' system. Pop is never thrilled with the 2d big's ability to play "assignment basketball" (and that goes for DRob, too, BTW) but when he gets talent at that position he wins. :)

[Supergirl]

Gooden and Thomas would be a better C/PF rotation than Bonner/Oberto provide, IMO. They're better defensively (Thomas) and offensively (Gooden) and provide rebounding more consistently. They would allow Bonner to play more of a spot-up shooting role, a la Horry, which allows us to create mismatches.

My question is, can Gooden play? I thought he was injured.

[MaNu4Tres]

As to defense, a large part of defense is rebounding -- that ends the other team's possession. And Gooden can do that against the big boys. The Spurs haven't had that beside Duncan for years.
:)

I tried to explain that point as well. And fans with blinders just seemed to not understand that. Finally someone who sees what I see.

[Marcus Bryant]

I can't believe the tepid response to Gooden possibly joining the Spurs.

So he's not a rah-rah guy. Neither was Nazr and he helped 'em get a title. Same with Rasho. Even Kurt Thomas.

So he's not bright. Neither was Nazr, etc. Gooden anchored a good Kansas team under Roy Williams and played in the NBA Finals. We're not talking Kwame Brown dumb.

As to defense, a large part of defense is rebounding -- that ends the other team's possession. And Gooden can do that against the big boys. The Spurs haven't had that beside Duncan for years.

Gooden looks like a nice candidate to take off under the Spurs' system. Pop is never thrilled with the 2d big's ability to play "assignment basketball" (and that goes for DRob, too, BTW) but when he gets talent at that position he wins. :)


I am somewhat optimistic, but I also recall Nazr having trouble figuring out the defensive rotations.

Gooden would be an improvement on the glass, which will help the defense as it should limit opponents' 2nd chance opportunities moreso.

To the extent he can hit that jumper, that will help. Most of his points come off broken plays and what not, so it's not like the Spurs would be adding someone who needs the rock often to be productive offensively.

If you can't improve the interior D, then improving your rebounding is probably the best substitute (though inferior, IMO). But it's still an improvement.

[Bruno]

I'm all for signing Gooden. It's high upside, low downside case.

High upside because Gooden is a talented player who could make Spurs significantly better.
Low downside because Spurs won't trade someone to get him, he will have a low salary and Spurs chances to win it all are remote (Spurs are one step behind Lakers, Cavs and Celtics).

[yavozerb]

I'm all for signing Gooden. It's high upside, low downside case.

High upside because Gooden is a talented player who could make Spurs significantly better.
Low downside because Spurs won't trade someone to get him, he will have a low salary and Spurs chances to win it all are remote (Spurs are one step behind Lakers, Cavs and Celtics).

I agree Bruno...The spurs are definatly missing a piece (or 2) to winning a championship this year. Lets sign him up (if he is healthy enough to play) and see what he can do next to an all-star. :flag:

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm all for signing Gooden. It's high upside, low downside case.

High upside because Gooden is a talented player who could make Spurs significantly better.
Low downside because Spurs won't trade someone to get him, he will have a low salary and Spurs chances to win it all are remote (Spurs are one step behind Lakers, Cavs and Celtics).

More or less, but I'm not sure the Spurs are that far off the pace.

[Spursmania]

Wake up guys-I don't know how we can be complaining about picking up Gooden. He's all we have right now. It's clear we're missing a fundamental piece to the team. We indeed are a step behind LA and the Celtics. So, he's not perfect but we need a veteran who can come in and rebound. Yes, I'd prefer Tyson Chandler amongst others over Gooden. But this is what we have to work with. I say we sign him for cheap and hold on to our seats because it's going to be a rough ride...:wakeup

[TheProfessor]

I find it hilarious on how everyone thinks of Pops as the next savior.
I like Pops a lot, but it's reaching absurd levels.

[timvp]

The overrating of Pops is pretty comical. He's basically the same player who couldn't stick with the Mavs a few years ago. Decent prospect but he's like the Darius Washington version of a bigman. With a lot of grooming, he might one day be Bo Outlaw.

[Summers]

The overrating of Pops is pretty comical. He's basically the same player who couldn't stick with the Mavs a few years ago. Decent prospect but he's like the Darius Washington version of a bigman. With a lot of grooming, he might one day be Bo Outlaw.

I think this is the earliest I've ever seen you on the board.

[urunobili]

I'm all for signing Gooden. It's high upside, low downside case.

High upside because Gooden is a talented player who could make Spurs significantly better.
Low downside because Spurs won't trade someone to get him, he will have a low salary and Spurs chances to win it all are remote (Spurs are one step behind Lakers, Cavs and Celtics).

This sums it up... :tu

bye bye Pops...

[SenorSpur]

I like Pops too, as a potential development 4 for the future. That's the key - the future. He's not going to make a difference this season. The fascination with him is he is a player, who has a set of athletic skills that NO ONE on this roster possesses. He's obviously got enough there to warrant a look - a long look, even. As I've said, if he's gonna develop, I'd certainly like for it to be here. However keeping this in perspective, no one is projecting him to be the next Dennis Rodman.

Obviously, the Spurs NEED to win now. A player like Gooden, or Joe Smith for that matter, helps that objective. If there was a way to get Gooden and retain Pops, that would be preferable, but not likely. Yet if it comes down to a choice, you've gotta go with Gooden.

The Spurs were smart only give Pops a 10-day contract, with the expectation that some big may enter the market. That looks like the case now.

[galvatron3000]

you guys realize he has a recent groin injury don't you?

[Marcus Bryant]

Frankly all of the top teams in the league have been underwhelming in their own way this season. All it might take this year is for one team to get hot in late March/early April and just roll on through the postseason to the title.

The Spurs' defense sucks in terms of opponents' FG%, but they are 3rd in assists against and 3rd in assist differential. So the D is still good enough to disrupt opposing offenses and limit their possessions, but not enough as in seasons past to challenge shots.

The Spurs are 17th in rebounds made and 14th in rebounds allowed. They hold opponents to the 3rd fewest points in the league though.

But they are 24th in blocks...not full proof of a weak interior D but certainly related.

Fortunately they execute very well offensively.

This just feels like the year the Spurs could wing it and win a title.

[DPG21920]

No doubt the Spurs have changed, they are certainly not the favorites, but they just need to start clicking and playing with more energy. Get healthy, get focused and bunker down.

[MaNu4Tres]

Do the people who support that great Pops Ali-Bonsu realize Pops is only 2 years younger than gooden?

[Silverheart80]

It's hilarious that Gooden apologists are bashing anyone who doesn't agree with them as people calling Pops "the savior" (which is complete bs), while somehow convincing themselves that Gooden's laziness, chronically poor recognition of rotations, and unwillingness to play transition defense will somehow be magically camouflaged by Duncan.

No one's saying Pops is the final piece of a championship puzzle, but if folks somehow see Drew-Vinnie "The Microwave"-Rodman-Gooden as being that final piece, they might want to check your eyes and see how bad his defense was on five NBA teams in six seasons.

If SA wins this year's championship because of outscoring and outrebounding the Lakers and the Celtics, then that will be a first. It's been team defense and team chemistry for four championships, and Gooden's had plenty of NBA starter time to prove rotten on both.

[urunobili]

Do the people who support that great Pops Ali-Bonsu realize Pops is only 2 years younger than gooden?

Just get over it dude... Pops is going to be waived if Gooden joins the team unless Pop promotes JV to assistant coach... so your chances are minimum... :downspin:

[xtremesteven33]

Gooden for no trade is a steal for the Spurs.

No Doubt.

[Marcus Bryant]

Do the people who support that great Pops Ali-Bonsu realize Pops is only 2 years younger than gooden?

Probably not.

[Spursmania]

you guys realize he has a recent groin injury don't you?

Yes, last time Gooden played was last Wednesday for the Kings (had a productive night for him), but left with a groin injury. How serious is the injury, I don't know.:hat

[Marcus Bryant]

It's hilarious that Gooden apologists are bashing anyone who doesn't agree with them as people calling Pops "the savior" (which is complete bs), while somehow convincing themselves that Gooden's laziness, chronically poor recognition of rotations, and unwillingness to play transition defense will somehow be magically camouflaged by Duncan.

No one's saying Pops is the final piece of a championship puzzle, but if folks somehow see Drew-Vinnie "The Microwave"-Rodman-Gooden as being that final piece, they might want to check your eyes and see how bad his defense was on five NBA teams in six seasons.

If SA wins this year's championship because of outscoring and outrebounding the Lakers and the Celtics, then that will be a first. It's been team defense and team chemistry for four championships, and Gooden's had plenty of NBA starter time to prove rotten on both.


As a Spurs fan apologist I blame the lack of fluoridation in San Antonio de Bexar's water system.

I guess you missed the thread asserting that Kunta-Kinte is the next Rodman?

Anyways, those who are madly in love with Kunta brought up the choice. Those of us who manage to inhabit reality for a small portion of the day made the obvious call.

[MaNu4Tres]

It's hilarious that Gooden apologists are bashing anyone who doesn't agree with them as people calling Pops "the savior" (which is complete bs), while somehow convincing themselves that Gooden's laziness, chronically poor recognition of rotations, and unwillingness to play transition defense will somehow be magically camouflaged by Duncan.

No one's saying Pops is the final piece of a championship puzzle, but if folks somehow see Drew-Vinnie "The Microwave"-Rodman-Gooden as being that final piece, they might want to check your eyes and see how bad his defense was on five NBA teams in six seasons.

If SA wins this year's championship because of outscoring and outrebounding the Lakers and the Celtics, then that will be a first. It's been team defense and team chemistry for four championships, and Gooden's had plenty of NBA starter time to prove rotten on both.



No one is bashing anyone. All I tried to say was that Gooden would improve the team. There's a reason why Pop and R.C are after him. Have you thought about that?

[yavozerb]

The injury to gooden is a concern. From what I hear it is a groin injury, this is an injury which is likely to bother Gooden the rest of the year. With that said, I say sign him up, waive Pops, and let gooden rest for 1-2 weeks.

[TheProfessor]

It's hilarious that Gooden apologists are bashing anyone who doesn't agree with them as people calling Pops "the savior" (which is complete bs), while somehow convincing themselves that Gooden's laziness, chronically poor recognition of rotations, and unwillingness to play transition defense will somehow be magically camouflaged by Duncan.

No one's saying Pops is the final piece of a championship puzzle, but if folks somehow see Drew-Vinnie "The Microwave"-Rodman-Gooden as being that final piece, they might want to check your eyes and see how bad his defense was on five NBA teams in six seasons.

If SA wins this year's championship because of outscoring and outrebounding the Lakers and the Celtics, then that will be a first. It's been team defense and team chemistry for four championships, and Gooden's had plenty of NBA starter time to prove rotten on both.
Gooden > Pops. End of story. We're trying to win a title this year, and he can help us more than Pops can.

[Summers]

As a Spurs fan apologist I blame the lack of fluoridation in San Antonio de Bexar's water system.

I guess you missed the thread asserting that Kunta-Kinte is the next Rodman?

Anyways, those who are madly in love with Kunta brought up the choice. Those of us who manage to inhabit reality for a small portion of the day made the obvious call.

SA water isn't fluoridated?

[Marcus Bryant]

What evidence is there that Mensa-Bonzi would be any kind of defensive stalwart? Athleticism does not make one an above average defensive player.

This is absurd. We know what Gooden can bring. We know his flaws. Better rebounding is worth it.

All of what Mensa brings is pure speculation. Frankly what I saw on Friday night wasn't that impressive. So he can put up some points in garbage time and elevate? Wow.

Sure, perhaps one day he could develop into an useful role player. As it stands, he'll be lucky to make it in this league.

[xtremesteven33]

Seeing Pops play is frustrating.

D-League material for awhile.


Tolliver has the mind of an NBA player but the skills of a Dleaguer....the opposite is with Whale Killer

[kobyz]

i hope we'll get Gooden, it will be great for us to get him for free if healthy he will be a good upgrade for us. he very fit to play alongside Duncan.
please R.C dont screw this!!!

[Obstructed_View]

Pops is an exciting project if the Spurs have a roster spot open and can't find a guy who's a legitimate NBA player. Drew Gooden is a legitimate NBA player, and if the Spurs can get him, Pops needs to be sent off with a 2009 camp invite in his pocket.

[quentin_compson]

Could be worse. He rebounds at a good clip and can score enough which makes up for the rest of his play and his general douchebaggery.

Definitely not the shotblocking/intimidator type. But at this point beggars can't be choosers.

:toast That were my first thoughts as well. I don't like Gooden, don't like him at all - and I don't know whether he would be able to blend well with our team. That being said, I think it would be unwise to turn down such an opportunity if it comes by. If he is available for a fair amount of money, go get this guy!

[Russ]

This just feels like the year the Spurs could wing it and win a title.

You mean 2009?:lobt2:

BTW, why is it that we have no local (EN) articles about any of this yet? It would be nice to see what the local press says.

[PDXSpursFan]

No time for Pops development project now. Waiving him and bringing Gooden is a no brainer.

[MB20]

If you have the chance to sign Gooden for some cookies, you just do it. It´s a no brainer.

[SenorSpur]

As much as I believe Gooden can help in the rebounding department, I'm iffy on him because he's apparently a defensive liability - according to some. We saw, yet again last night, how this team needs help on the boards and shutting down the paint. Gooden may be the best option available to the Spurs, but I'm wondering if having another defensive liability on this team could be counterproductive.

[Obstructed_View]

BTW, why is it that we have no local (EN) articles about any of this yet? It would be nice to see what the local press says.

Steal an article from another paper, put the EN writer's name and a retarded headline, and change some of the facts in it so they're wrong. Ta-daaa, you have an EN article.

[HarlemHeat37]

Gooden playing for Pop isn't a bigger defensive liability than Bonner and Oberto..Bonner gives the effort, but he lacks the physical tools..I don't even know what Oberto's problem is..

I can live with Gooden playing Bonner-type D, since he's a rebounding upgrade over our other bigs, and he's a versatile offensive player..he has range anywhere inside the 3-point line, he can play in the post at times, he gets inside..

the main thing people seem to ignore is that we wouldn't be paying him shit..it's a cheap contract..

[loveforthegame]

I can't believe the Spurs would be so lucky to get Gooden. Especially on the cheap. I don't think his defense is any worse than Bonner or Oberto's. How nice would it be to have another low post option when Duncan's on the bench? And Gooden can hit the boards which is something we struggle with.

It just seems too good to be true.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't believe anything though..the Spurs are always the "favorites", except we never actually get the players we're "supposed" to get..

[xtremesteven33]

Finally another low post option if necessary.

[timvp]

I don't believe anything though..the Spurs are always the "favorites", except we never actually get the players we're "supposed" to get..Yeah, that's usually how it plays out. The only time the Spurs actually land a halfway coveted player is when it's somewhat of a surprise.

[Thomas82]

I don't believe anything though..the Spurs are always the "favorites", except we never actually get the players we're "supposed" to get..


Yeah, that's usually how it plays out. The only time the Spurs actually land a halfway coveted player is when it's somewhat of a surprise.

That's why I won't get my hopes up unless I see a move being made.

[Marcus Bryant]

So who could actually claim him off waivers before he clears?

[Darkwaters]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_drew_gooden.jpg

I don't know about you, but as a devout Spurs fan this picture makes me like Gooden at least a smidgen more.

[Hemotivo]

:lol

[024]

there's really no perfect bigman available.

oberto - rebounds well, good court awareness, but has absolutely no offense and athleticism
thomas - rebounds, plays strong defense, but only 6'9" and offense non existent when jumpshot is off plus he's not athletic
bonner - good jumpshot and three point shooter, but poor rebounding and no physical tools or athleticism for good post defense
gooden - good low post option, athletic, rebounds very well, cleans up around the rim, but bad defense
mensah bonsu - good energy, very athletic, get's garbage points, but too inexperienced and only 6'8"
mahinmi - injured

so not a lot of options if you want a offensive low post, athletic, rebounding, and defense playing bigman.

[FromWayDowntown]

Recognizing Gooden's well-chronicled limitations, there is this truth: he does rebound the ball well -- better than most PF in the league and better than any of the current Spurs save Tim Duncan.

I always hestitate to rely too heavily on Hollinger stats, but his rebounding rate stat (not really his, I'm sure, but . . . . ), which measures the percentage of an opponent's misses a particular player rebounds, suggests that Gooden would be a major upgrade on the boards for the Spurs, even if he's nothing else.

Duncan is 15th in the league in rebounding rate, his offensive rebounding rate is 9.3, his defensive rebounding rate is 26.6, and his overall rebounding rate is 18.0.

Kurt Thomas is 38th -- 9.6 (ORR), 23.3 (DRR), and 16.5 (RebR).

The Spurs other bigs are hideous: Bonner is 105th -- 6.7 (ORR), 17.7 (DRR), and 12.3 (RebR); Oberto is 103rd -- 11.3 (ORR), 13.5 (DRR), and 12.4 (Reb R).

This has placed the Spurs 15th in the league -- but mostly because Duncan and Thomas keep the Spurs afloat (though they are #1 in Defensive Rebound Rate).

Gooden is 29th in the league in RebR. Statistically, he's a better offensive rebounder than anyone mentioned here other than Oberto -- 10.3 ORR; he's a better defensive rebounder than anyone mentioned here other than Duncan -- 23.5 DRR.

I'd agree that Gooden isn't an ideal candidate to flourish with the Spurs, but for a team that has seen its field goal percentage against rise considerably, his availability presents an opportunity to find another player who can: (1) limit opponent's possessions by rebounding; and (2) help extend possessions with offensive boards.

Again, not the ideal. But potentially helpful with very little downside risk beyond the possibility of a lingering injury.

[gmanrulz]

i thought he was bought out so he doesnt have to clear waivers to be signed

[Marcus Bryant]

i thought he was bought out so he doesnt have to clear waivers to be signed

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q59

[FromWayDowntown]

He's got a have a pretty high number, so anyone who might claim him would have to have a lot of capspace; in these economic times, that's a pretty substantial burden to assume, I would think.

[Marcus Bryant]

He's got a have a pretty high number, so anyone who might claim him would have to have a lot of capspace; in these economic times, that's a pretty substantial burden to assume, I would think.

$7.15 mil for 2008-09. It would be prorated for the remainder of the season, somewhere in the vicinity of $2.0 mil for 24 games.

[SenorSpur]

If this signing comes to fruition, I would assume it would be just a 1/2 season rental. I would imagine Gooden will be looking for an increase on the 7.1 mil he's making now. A contract that expires at the end of this season.

[Emeyin]

Sign him... we need something, anything, at this point.

[Spursfan092120]

Recognizing Gooden's well-chronicled limitations, there is this truth: he does rebound the ball well -- better than most PF in the league and better than any of the current Spurs save Tim Duncan.

I always hestitate to rely too heavily on Hollinger stats, but his rebounding rate stat (not really his, I'm sure, but . . . . ), which measures the percentage of an opponent's misses a particular player rebounds, suggests that Gooden would be a major upgrade on the boards for the Spurs, even if he's nothing else.

Duncan is 15th in the league in rebounding rate, his offensive rebounding rate is 9.3, his defensive rebounding rate is 26.6, and his overall rebounding rate is 18.0.

Kurt Thomas is 38th -- 9.6 (ORR), 23.3 (DRR), and 16.5 (RebR).

The Spurs other bigs are hideous: Bonner is 105th -- 6.7 (ORR), 17.7 (DRR), and 12.3 (RebR); Oberto is 103rd -- 11.3 (ORR), 13.5 (DRR), and 12.4 (Reb R).

This has placed the Spurs 15th in the league -- but mostly because Duncan and Thomas keep the Spurs afloat (though they are #1 in Defensive Rebound Rate).

Gooden is 29th in the league in RebR. Statistically, he's a better offensive rebounder than anyone mentioned here other than Oberto -- 10.3 ORR; he's a better defensive rebounder than anyone mentioned here other than Duncan -- 23.5 DRR.

I'd agree that Gooden isn't an ideal candidate to flourish with the Spurs, but for a team that has seen its field goal percentage against rise considerably, his availability presents an opportunity to find another player who can: (1) limit opponent's possessions by rebounding; and (2) help extend possessions with offensive boards.

Again, not the ideal. But potentially helpful with very little downside risk beyond the possibility of a lingering injury.
As always, a very insightful post. Thanks. I think Gooden could be a lot of help on the rebounding side, which we need. And here's hoping that if we sign him, Pop gets him to commit to defense.

[Marcus Bryant]

If this signing comes to fruition, I would assume it would be just a 1/2 season rental. I would imagine Gooden will be looking for an increase on the 7.1 mil he's making now. A contract that expires at the end of this season.

Perhaps, but he did shoot himself in the foot by taking the buyout and giving up his Bird Rights.

[lefty]

Pooooooooooops:flag::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::l obt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[whottt]

This has placed the Spurs 15th in the league -- but mostly because Duncan and Thomas keep the Spurs afloat (though they are #1 in Defensive Rebound Rate).


And there is exactly your answer to both why the Spurs rank poorly in rebound rate, and why Gooden won't improve it...because of what they do in the offensive board department, and that is entirely due to Pop's philosophy that getting back on D is more important than getting offensive rebounds. Tim Duncan is the only player that crashes the offensive glass on the Spurs...everyone else is supposed to get back on D, and Pop has done this for years now. Just like he doesn't want guys gambling and going for steals which is why the Spurs always rank poorly in that dept, except for Manu who gets to do it under the pretense of "let Manu be Manu".



I'd agree that Gooden isn't an ideal candidate to flourish with the Spurs, but for a team that has seen its field goal percentage against rise considerably, his availability presents an opportunity to find another player who can: (1) limit opponent's possessions by rebounding; and (2) help extend possessions with offensive boards.

You left out (3) See it's field goal percentage against rise considerably more.




Again, not the ideal. But potentially helpful with very little downside risk beyond the possibility of a lingering injury.

If he keeps us from signing one who will be a bigger boon to the team, that is a pretty big risk.

Your witness.

[Spurs Brazil]

Recognizing Gooden's well-chronicled limitations, there is this truth: he does rebound the ball well -- better than most PF in the league and better than any of the current Spurs save Tim Duncan.

Agree with FWD

We need a guy who can rebound. He also can hit Js. Let's hope Pop can teach him some D.

Pops is gone. Bring him back in the summer league and see what he does.

[whottt]

He's shooting 46% from the field...that's a horrible PCT for a guy that plays as close to the basket as he does. Bonner is shooting 49% from 3 by comparison...he will hurt our offense much more than he will help our rebounding.

I object to this player.

[Pablo Escobar]

so when does this shit IF this shit goes down happen

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs other bigs are hideous: Bonner is 105th -- 6.7 (ORR), 17.7 (DRR), and 12.3 (RebR); Oberto is 103rd -- 11.3 (ORR), 13.5 (DRR), and 12.4 (Reb R).

That's the reason Gooden makes plenty of sense for this Spurs team. You have two guys who should each be the 5th big somewhere as the starting center and 4th big in your rotation. Yes, Bonner's had a good year, but the Spurs need better work on the boards.

Who cares if the Spurs are tops in the league using one of Holly's stats? There's room for improvement. And when that improvement comes at the league minimum for the rest of the season, you take it.

[EricB]

Wednesday when he clears waivers I'd assume

[whottt]

That's the reason Gooden makes plenty of sense for this Spurs team. You have two guys who should each be the 5th big somewhere as the starting center and 4th big in your rotation. Yes, Bonner's had a good year, but the Spurs need better work on the boards.

Who cares if the Spurs are tops in the league using one of Holly's stats? There's room for improvement. And when that improvement comes at the league minimum for the rest of the season, you take it.

Did you cut and paste this from your sign Kurt Thomas speech of a year ago?

[Marcus Bryant]

Did you cut and paste this from your sign Kurt Thomas speech of a year ago?

Pop quiz. Was he a good acquisition?

[superbigtime]

Just coming into this thread late. Considering our failed trade attempt for Camby, at this point in the season Gooden would be a great pickup for next to nothing! I don't if it's Vaughn, Pops, Ime, or even Hariston who go, because DG trumps them all, but I am thinking Pops here. I hope the FO doesn't F this up.

[whottt]

...

[whottt]

Pop quiz. Was he a good acquisition?

Not paticularly....it was like the Lakers were on pogo sticks and the Spurs had lead in their shoes. In no small part due to the fact that we traded the only big on the team that could jump, and a first round pick, for a guy that's been playing on one knee since 1997.

I'd that say that trade sucked for us...Thomas didn't help us win a title last year, and he's obviously not going to contribute much this year either. I'd rather the first round pick and a big who can actually, outrun a sloth, and can dunk and block a shot once or twice per year.

No...the timvp and MB annual grass is always greener plan was a massive failure last season. It cost us a title. Or at the very least, we failed to win one, and gave up our first round pick in the process.

We gave up a first round pick to give up a title...I'd say that defines suck.

And Thomas is better than Gooden is...

[Marcus Bryant]

ROFL. Francisco Elson the savior.

Not to mention that you first had to go through the Suns in the postseason. Plus that conventional bigs still dot the landscape. Without Thomas who the F is going to be the Spurs' best post defender other than Timmy? Why do I want TD in a position to pick up more fouls?

[Marcus Bryant]

Seriously, Francisco fucking Elson? And you have the temerity to ridicule the opportunity to pick up one of the best rebounding 4s in the game for the prorated league minimum salary?

[MaNu4Tres]

Not paticularly....it was like the Lakers were on pogo sticks and the Spurs had lead in their shoes. In no small part due to the fact that we traded the only big on the team that could jump, and a first round pick, for a guy that's been playing on one knee since 1997.

I'd that say that trade sucked for us...Thomas didn't help us win a title last year, and he's obviously not going to contribute much this year either. I'd rather the first round pick and a big who can actually, outrun a sloth, dunk and block a shot once or twice per year.

No...the timvp and MB annual grass is always greener plan was a massive failure last season. It cost us a title.

And Thomas is better than Gooden is...

Kurt didn't help us because of his inability to stay with Odom defensively. That lead Kurt to only play 8 minutes a game in the Lakers series. Even thought we didn't win the title, Kurt was huge for us against the Suns. Considering the fact that the 09 draft is said to be one of the weakest and with us having a high second round pick. I don't see it really hurting us not having a very late first round pick.

And Gooden is more talented and better than Kurt Thomas. Gooden is a far more talented rebounder and scorer. Gooden has more mobility to stay infront of quicker forwards like Odom and David West.

[timvp]

No...the timvp and MB annual grass is always greener plan was a massive failure last season.What plan are you talking about? Link?


It cost us a title.I can't believe you are seriously arguing that not having Francisco Elson cost the Spurs a title.

And how many times are you going to change your mind about Thomas?


Kurt Thomas: was freaking huge in this game. His rebounding is just awesome. His defense was smart. I mean this guy just had a huge impact in this game that I don't think can be overstated. Mega props to Kurt Thomas and all those that saw what he was capable of providing. I wasn't sold on Thomas, but I definitely am after this game. I mean that was just a sweet controbution....his game may have been the best interior defense by a Duncan sidekick since Drob...

Now he's back to being worse than Elson? Make up your mind and give me a link to the "plan" I endorsed.

[whottt]

True...but it does no good to give up a title to get through them.

PS: Francisco Elson = 1 year, 1 title.

Kurt Thomas added to the exact same team = 1 year, no title, and counting.

[whottt]

Now he's back to being worse than Elson? Make up your mind and give me a link to the "plan" I endorsed.


Only if you drop an f bomb will I aquiesce to this request.

[timvp]

Mengke Bateer = 1 year, 1 title.

/whottt

[timvp]

Only if you drop an f bomb will I aquiesce to this request.
Francisco.

[MaNu4Tres]

True...but it does no good to give up a title to get through them.

PS: Francisco Elson = 1 year, 1 title.

Kurt Thomas added to the exact same team = 1 year, no title, and counting.

Are u aware that teams got better from the year 07 to the year 08. Are you aware of the Garnett/Allen and Gasol trade? Or how about Manu playing on one ankle?

[whottt]

I just think it's funny how last years savior is this years 12th man...and you guys think Gooden is going to do better?

[whottt]

Are u aware that teams got better from the year 07 to the year 08. Are you aware of the Garnett/Allen and Gasol trade? Or how about Manu playing on one ankle?

Some of the teams got better and some of them are now worse...

Are you aware that the Spurs got worse?

What's our record since adding Thomas VS Elson?

We are on pace for the worst record of the Duncan era...this I know.

[Marcus Bryant]

12th man = Udoka.

[MaNu4Tres]

I just think it's funny how last years savior is this years 12th man...and you guys think Gooden is going to do better?

There's a reason why Pop and R.C are after him. Obviously they think we would be better off with Gooden but hell what do they know.

[Spursmania]

I'm back. Just a funny comment. I checked out one of the Laker sites and they are all in a tizzy about whether we sign Drew Gooden or not. They are actually wanting Mitch Kupchak to sign Gooden so we don't. They see Tim and Drew as a step up. :wow

Made me hope Pops signs Drew, so we can at least have several more threads bitching one way or the other about Gooden's capabilities. And, I personally think we would be a more competitive team with Gooden than without. We can whine all damn day about him but again don't you want to have a better team given what our choices are? Get with the program.
We will increase our liklihood of winning a 5th Larry if we pick up some help like Gooden.:toast

[MaNu4Tres]

Some of the teams got better and some of them are now worse...

Are you aware that the Spurs got worse?

What's our record since adding Thomas VS Elson?

We are on pace for the worst record of the Duncan era...this I know.

Spurs have better players than they did in 07. They are more talented as well. They just haven't been as blessed when it comes to health this year or even last year in the playoffs.

[whottt]

There's a reason why Pop and R.C are after him.
Yes, it's because Pop and RC are always after every player that has an inkling of talent and one good year to his credit.




Obviously they think we would be better off with Gooden but hell what do they know.

Well they obviously thought they were better off with Kurt Thomas too...and they're going to feel pretty stupid about thinking that in the first round of the draft this year.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh yes, the Spurs would've gotten through a Shaq/Amare frontcourt with Frankie leaning on Shaq for 30 minutes a night.

[whottt]

Spurs have better players than they did in 07.

Purely your opinion and not backed up by any stats or the W-L record.




They are more talented as well.

And there is absolutely no evidence that statement is true.




They just haven't been as blessed when it comes to health this year or even last year in the playoffs.

They've won titles being more injury prone than this year...and had a better record.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yes, it's because Pop and RC are always after every player that has an inkling of talent and one good year to his credit.




Well they obviously thought they were better off with Kurt Thomas too...and they're going to feel pretty stupid about thinking that in the first round of the draft this year.

The spurs didn't win in 07 because of Francisco elson. The spurs didn't lose in 08' because of Kurt Thomas or poor outside shooting. There's thousands of reasons that I could come up with for our loss to the Lakers. Poor defensive rebounding, Manu's ankle, Barry's non foul call, Udoka and Finley being put on Odom.

The main reasons why I think we won in 07 and not 08 is one word. HEALTH not Kurt Thomas.

[Marcus Bryant]

Even better, let's pass on the opportunity to add a 5th big when you have a spot open and all it would cost you is the prorated league minimum. Not to mention that the player in question rebounds at one of the better clips in the league and your starting center is Matt Bonner.

:spin

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs take the Gooden plunge, I think starting him come playoff time makes the most sense. Gooden is horrible at protecting the rim so the less you play him without Duncan on the court to have his back, the better. Even Bonner at least will try to get between driving players and the rim.

The Cavs used to use him as a player to go to early in each half ... and he was pretty effective in that role. I don't really see him as a player who can come off the bench and find the flow of the game.

I don't like the idea of Gooden starting at all. I view him as someone to give the Spurs some offense and rebounding when Tim goes to bench, and as 'no Finey @ the PF' insurance. I think this team is much better off with Bonner spreading the floor or Thomas playing post D in our starting lineup, based on the matchup. I wouldn't trust Gooden to guard NBA first units and I certainly don't want to see Tim Duncan in foul trouble trying to cover Gooden's mistakes.

[whottt]

Oh yes, the Spurs would've gotten through a Shaq/Amare frontcourt with Frankie leaning on Shaq for 30 minutes a night.

Tit for tat...Elson would have had to contend with Shaq, and Shaq would have had to chase Elson around.