Spurs After Luther Head?

[Spursfan092120]

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/03/waiver_stuff.htmlMarch 2, 2009

Waiver Stuff (http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/nets/archives/2009/03/waiver_stuff.html)

By FRED KERBER
The Nets (http://shots.snap.com/explore/2928/?key=06028f986cd52d8275d29a0001c8914b&svc=Snap_Shot_Custom%257CNew_York_Post%257CNYPost_ Sports_Teams%257CWithAds&tag=New%20Jersey%20Nets&src=&cp=&asp=The%20Nets&dfs=10&tol=engage) New Jersey Nets http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.70/t.gif let Stromile Swift go last night creating a roster spot and a lot of speculation about who will fill the void.
They've called about Luther Head, released by the Rockets on Saturday, and although he makes a ton of sense, it probably won't happen.

Head would be a nice combo-guard insurance to give Vince Carter's 32-year-old legs some added rest. He's also cover any void should Keyon Dooling's hip get nasty - although the team consensus is despite a flare up of arthritis that kept him out of practice again today, Dooling will be fine. And you can never have enough shooting. Yup, Head makes sense.
But Head would add $200G plus to the Nets payroll and that isn't even the No. 1 factor as to why this is a long shot. If the Nets brought him in, there's no guarantee he'd play. Lawrence Frank would feel more comfortable with guys he knows, guys who have a grasp of his system. Sign a newcomer to sit is just one true way to tick off ownership. The Nets likely won't add bodies unless there were multiple injuries.
And although it's not supposed to happen (win, wink) when desirable players are waived at this point in the season, with playoff eligibility still an option -- the deadline was midnight Eastern Sunday so Head and Swift made it - there usually is a deal in place. Of course, everyone says that doesn't happen (wink, wink).
Right, Mikki Moore and Stephon Marbury (http://shots.snap.com/explore/48171/?key=06028f986cd52d8275d29a0001c8914b&svc=Snap_Shot_Custom%257CNew_York_Post%257CNYPost_ Sports_Players%257CWithAds&tag=Stephon%20Marbury&src=&cp=&asp=Stephon%20Marbury&dfs=10&tol=engage) Stephon Marbury http://i.ixnp.com/images/v3.70/t.gif, both to Boston, were two cases of deals getting hammered out nanoseconds after the waiver waiting period ended
The Spurs were considered frontrunners for Head's service although there was a lot of interest around the league.
As for Swift, look for him to surface to Phoenix.

:wtf
Really?

[tp2021]

I call BS.

[Spursfan092120]

I call BS.

I hope so...I've seen it on a couple of sites so far. But....there's no reason for it.

[crc21209]

I don't see where he'd fit in here, Gooden I believe.

[024]

low confidence in hill?

[Spursfan092120]

low confidence in hill?

I don't know...I guess that's possible..but if you take him down now, you take away HIS confidence..and the guy has a good future.

[crc21209]

Sign Head & Gooden, dump Ime and Vaughn.

Have TP, TD, Manu, Mason, Hill, Bowen, Bonner, Oberto, Thomas, Finley, Gooden, Hairston, Head, and Gooden. Sounds good to me. lol.

[Spursfan092120]

Sign Head & Gooden, dump Ime and Vaughn.

Have TP, TD, Manu, Mason, Hill, Bowen, Bonner, Oberto, Thomas, Finley, Gooden, Hairston, Head, and Gooden. Sounds good to me. lol.

Well yeah..of course...if you can just get rid of Vaughn and Ime, it'd be a hell of a deal...that's actually not a bad thing, now that I think about it. Didn't think of him as a 3rd...possibly 2nd when Hill is off his game.

[Spursfan092120]

Sign Head & Gooden, dump Ime and Vaughn.

Have TP, TD, Manu, Mason, Hill, Bowen, Bonner, Oberto, Thomas, Finley, Gooden, Hairston, Head, and Gooden. Sounds good to me. lol.

Does this mean you think we should say goodbye to Pops? I'm not sure I'm prepared to dump the only guy who's given us any spark over the past two games...besides Hairston, of course.

[Marcus Bryant]

The problem up front is more egregious.

[SenorSpur]

Wtf?

[Spurs Brazil]

WTF, this would be a bad one

[Spursfan092120]

WTF, this would be a bad one
See..that's the first thing that came to mind..but if we get rid of Udoka and Vaughn, we get Gooden and Head...that wouldn't be too bad.

[Spursfan092120]

The problem up front is more egregious.
I agree with that.

[dbestpro]

It's a known fact that the Rockets wanted to give the Spurs Head.

[Spursfan092120]

It's a known fact that the Rockets wanted to give the Spurs Head.

:lmao

[Bruno]

Luther Head played well against Spurs in the past and Spurs are known for going after players who performed well against them.

It this info is true, it will likely mean that Spurs aren't that confident about Hill's ability to be a solid backup PG during the playoffs for this year. Playoffs for rookies aren't something easy to manage.

Head would work quite well as PG with Ginobili at SG. Head would bring the ball up and let Manu do the playmaking tasks.

[dbestpro]

In truth if the Spus do sign Luther it means that Manu may be done for the season.

[Marcus Bryant]

I thought Hill was the second coming.

[crc21209]

Does this mean you think we should say goodbye to Pops? I'm not sure I'm prepared to dump the only guy who's given us any spark over the past two games...besides Hairston, of course.


Sorry I meant to add Pops in there, I forgot though. But yeah keep Pops of course, I like him. That would give u a roster of TD, TP, Manu, Mason, Hill, Finley, Bonner, Bowen, Oberto, Thomas, Gooden, Head, Hairston, and Pops. Thats 14 on the roster. 15 if you count Mahinmi.

[dougp]

Luther Head played well against Spurs in the past and Spurs are known for going after players who performed well against them.

It this info is true, it will likely mean that Spurs aren't that confident about Hill's ability to be a solid backup PG during the playoffs for this year. Playoffs for rookies aren't something easy to manage.

Head would work quite well as PG with Ginobili at SG. Head would bring the ball up and let Manu do the playmaking tasks.

Then why didn't we sign Bonzi Wells? hah ...

[PDXSpursFan]

Yes to Gooden and Head. Waive Pops and Vaugh or Udoka.

[timvp]

Luther Head sucks :td

[Spursfan092120]

Yes to Gooden and Head. Waive Pops and Vaugh or Udoka.
Disagree with Pops...Vaughn and Udoka, yes. Pops...no..he's 25, energetic, brings a spark, and if we let him go, he's gonna go somewhere else...and we can't afford that.

[dbestpro]

Just one more..............
So if the Rockets waived Luther isn't that equivalent of Houston trying to give Head to every team in the league?

[timvp]

Disagree with Pops...Vaughn and Udoka, yes. Pops...no..he's 25, energetic, brings a spark, and if we let him go, he's gonna go somewhere else...and we can't afford that.Pops was a free agent the last two years and couldn't even stick with a Euro team.

[Spursfan092120]

Pops was a free agent the last two years and couldn't even stick with a Euro team.
I know..I know..but he's looking more and more like a guy who can help us. He didn't get any minutes in the NBA, and in the D League, looked like a monster. Who knows what could happen. I'm not saying he's the return of the Admiral or anything, but he could be part of our future.

[angelbelow]

what makes me nervous/confused is that we are always the "front runner." is this just media bullshit? are any of these reports actually true????

btw i do not want head. i dont see how hes better than udoka.

[tmtcsc]

Then why didn't we sign Bonzi Wells? hah ...

Nicely, done.:toast

[Bender]

btw i do not want head.
I'd word that slightly different... :lol

[I. Hustle]

We are the frontrunners in every trade or for every player that just got waived.

[superbigtime]

Yes! We would love to get Head!

[Lars]

Luther Head played well against Spurs in the past and Spurs are known for going after players who performed well against them.

It this info is true, it will likely mean that Spurs aren't that confident about Hill's ability to be a solid backup PG during the playoffs for this year. Playoffs for rookies aren't something easy to manage.

Head would work quite well as PG with Ginobili at SG. Head would bring the ball up and let Manu do the playmaking tasks.

Except Head can't dribble.

Head is a relic from the old JVG offensive system and recently only rotted on our bench with the emergence of Von Wafer. The old systen was to play suffocating D, kick it in to Yao and surround him by 3 point shooters. He was okay in that system, but recently he has been worthless to us.

He can't dribble, can't pass, can't defend, can't drive to the basket, but is a dead eye shooter with an awkward form. He is the epitome of what was wrong with the Rockets for the last few years, playing way too one dimensional. I believe he was 1-14 in the playoff series vs. the Jazz. If a shooter shoots 7% for a series, and can't do anything else, you have a problem.

Luther Head is NOT a point guard, he is an undersized shooting guard. He probably does not belong in the NBA, as he has developed nothing in many years here, outside of shooting.

[Spursfan092120]

I think it's official that everyone in this room wants Head.

[Spursfan092120]

I see the Express News Sports Page headline...."Spurs Get Head"

[timvp]

Except Head can't dribble.

Head is a relic from the old JVG offensive system and recently only rotted on our bench with the emergence of Von Wafer. The old systen was to play suffocating D, kick it in to Yao and surround him by 3 point shooters. He was okay in that system, but recently he has been worthless to us.

He can't dribble, can't pass, can't defend, can't drive to the basket, but is a dead eye shooter with an awkward form. He is the epitome of what was wrong with the Rockets for the last few years, playing way too one dimensional. I believe he was 1-14 in the playoff series vs. the Jazz. If a shooter shoots 7% for a series, and can't do anything else, you have a problem.

Luther Head is NOT a point guard, he is an undersized shooting guard. He probably does not belong in the NBA, as he has developed nothing in many years here, outside of shooting.I have to agree with this. Head isn't really a point guard. Hill is much more of a point guard than Head will ever be. Head would have fit on the Spurs back in like 2001 but with the motion offense and the need for more athleticism, he'd be a step in the wrong direction.

The only way he makes sense to me is if the Spurs are looking to replace Vaughn with a shooter. Even then, I'd trust Vaughn more in an emergency role.

[FromWayDowntown]

Why Luther? Was Moochie Norris busy?

[Indazone]

I have to agree with this. Head isn't really a point guard. Hill is much more of a point guard than Head will ever be. Head would have fit on the Spurs back in like 2001 but with the motion offense and the need for more athleticism, he'd be a step in the wrong direction.

The only way he makes sense to me is if the Spurs are looking to replace Vaughn with a shooter. Even then, I'd trust Vaughn more in an emergency role.

This makes perfect sense for the Spurs to do this. You give us Barry, Scola, James White, and we give you one Rocket player in return. I was going to say Head but that would just be too easy for ya lol.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I have seen Head play before when I was follow Rockets. He is terrible player. Hill is much better then him. It is not even close. Head would be cut from any top Euroleague club within about 1 week I say.

[Hemotivo]

Luther Head sucks :td

:tu

[Hemotivo]

Hill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Hill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Head

Yes

[Bruno]

Luther Head is NOT a point guard, he is an undersized shooting guard.

Head is as much as a PG than Salim Stoudamire and Spurs tried him as their backup PG.
Spurs not to have a problem with having a shooter with no PG skills as backup PG.

[Indazone]

and the Rockets and Spurs player express continues to roll.

[KenGee21]

Pops was a free agent the last two years and couldn't even stick with a Euro team.

I agree, i really don't get the love affair everybody has with this guy. Can he someday become a solid contributor on an NBA team? Sure, if he continues to work on his game...but he is still an unproven player and 10-12 minutes of garbage time in a blowout shouldn't guarantee him a playoff roster spot over proven NBA players who have made meaningful contribution to their teams.

Having said that, if this were the preseason, i say definitely give him a look.

[The Franchise]

I have seen Head play before when I was follow Rockets. He is terrible player. Hill is much better then him. It is not even close. Head would be cut from any top Euroleague club within about 1 week I say.

For once I agree with you. :toast

[SouthTexasRancher]

Yes to Gooden and Head. Waive Pops and Vaugh or Udoka.

No way on Pops...he stays! Definitely get rid of Ime The Bum. If Pop needs to make room for both Gooden and Head (which I doubt Head is even in the mix) he could always designate Vaughn as an assistant coach and possibly as a player-coach, much like Nellie did with Avery in his last season. But, I'm sure that Pop will want Vaughn with the team in some capacity come playoff time because he has been Hill's main mentor/teacher/coach at practice.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Head is as much as a PG than Salim Stoudamire and Spurs tried him as their backup PG.
Spurs not to have a problem with having a shooter with no PG skills as backup PG.

His skills even for a SG is not acceptable for NBA level. It is not acceptable for Euroleague level. He is a good spot shooter with good range and he is clutch player from what I see. But this is all.

terrible team defense
terrible man defense
terrible basketball IQ
terrible passing
terrible decision making
terrible ball handling
one dimension in offense

I would rather have Vaughn or Udoka over him.

[PDXSpursFan]

Head > Spanoulis.

[sananspursfan21]

I don't see where he'd fit in here, Gooden I believe.

right, there's really no room for him, he's not needed. gooden sounds like the best bet for a late season pick-up. they got plenty of small guys

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Head > Spanoulis.

:downspin::lol:blah:rollin

You are biggest retard in all forum. Congrats:toast

[gmanrulz]

i like the versatility. Head is always nice at home but road head is clutch also.

[bigdog]

HELL NO. Head is only good for his shooting, which has disappeared completely from his game. His defense sucks, and he is nowhere near a PG. Hill is much, much, much better than Head.

[Spursfan092120]

:downspin::lol:blah:rollin

You are biggest retard in all forum. Congrats:toast

Nope..he hasn't taken your title yet. You've got it named after you.

[024]

this is all a ploy to force hill to get his head straight. he seriously has been sucking for a while now. after the start of the season i stated that other than the big 3 being healthy, the spurs will have to rely on thomas and hill. thomas has been picking it up lately. hill needs to lead the second unit against the lakers' second unit because the lakers' bench are usually the ones that wear out opposing teams.

[HarlemHeat37]

we have enough back court scoring..

everybody loves to throw out the Spurs when it comes to any free agent or player rumored to be moving..when other teams hear the Spurs are interested, they'll jump at the player..it always happens..if the top franchise in sports for the last 10 years wants somebody, he must be good..

[MarHill]

I believe this report is BS. I just got through listening to Don Harris of WOAI on the Chris and Jason show and he was reporting that the Spurs are on tap to sign Gooden on Thursday.

The Luther Head report I believe was done to create more interest in him.

[Spursfan092120]

I believe this report is BS. I just got through listening to Don Harris of WOAI on the Chris and Jason show and he was reporting that the Spurs are on tap to sign Gooden on Thursday.

The Luther Head report I believe was done to create more interest in him.

Very well could be. I guess we'll find out.

[noob cake]

His skills even for a SG is not acceptable for NBA level. It is not acceptable for Euroleague level. He is a good spot shooter with good range and he is clutch player from what I see. But this is all.

terrible team defense
terrible man defense
terrible basketball IQ
terrible passing
terrible decision making
terrible ball handling
one dimension in offense

I would rather have Vaughn or Udoka over him.

Lemme fix that for you

terrible team defense
terrible man defense
terrible basketball IQ
NO passing (Can't pass without turnover)
terrible decision making
NO ball handling (Can't dribble)
one dimension in offense

There, Luther has the ball handling and passing skills of a center. Sadly he is a shooting guard in a point guard's body.

He is unfit to play guard in this league, but is too small to play SF.

[BOHOLANO#21]

These IDIOT agents are using the SPURS to get other teams to go after him....:depressed

[MarHill]

These IDIOT agents are using the SPURS to get other teams to go after him....:depressed

Yep..I agree!!

[benefactor]

This would be up there with the worst signings in Spurs history if this has any legs to it. You would think we learned our lesson about "sign 'em to shoot threes" with Stoudamire.

[Spursmania]

Whoa? Luther Head? this is getting even more interesting...

[Spursmania]

This would be up there with the worst signings in Spurs history if this has any legs to it. You would think we learned our lesson about "sign 'em to shoot threes" with Stoudamire.
:tu

[Danny.Zhu]

Head sucks.

[Austin_Toros]

Head is too much like Hill- both really SG players. Head is a decent player, though and I can remember a mad play he did at the rookie-sophomore game he played in.

I say, let's go for Swift!

[Mavs<Spurs]

Get head and gooden..........bye to vaughn and ime......our bench suddenly would look a whole lot better

For a backup- Luther Head would be a good addition. He's not the defender Hill is and Hill is a rookie. Nevertheless, Head would be a good contributor, esp if Hill started playing bad in an important game.

Remember, we're not talking about a starting pg.


Gooden, will be an upgrade over what we have. Obvious weakness is defense, but he will improve our team and is a starter quality player.


Nevertheless, after the game against the Blazers and the Cavs, we needed a mindset and effort change, not just new players. After all, Tim and Tony are this team and if they don't play smarter, harder and better, then neither Gooden nor Head will make any difference at all.



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[Spursfan092120]

Head is too much like Hill- both really SG players. Head is a decent player, though and I can remember a mad play he did at the rookie-sophomore game he played in.

I say, let's go for Swift!

Swift is headed to Phoenix.

[Mavs<Spurs]

With Gooden, we would have five players that you must guard.

After our team defense slipped even with Bowen in the lineup and without a second quality defender, we needed to have five players on the floor that must be guarded. With Gooden as a starting forward, we would have a starting five all of whom must be guarded.

In this way, we would be similar to the Lakers- they don't have players on the court who can be ignored. Even Ariza has improved his offense and must be guarded. He is working on his 3 point shot.


Head is such a great shooter that if we acquired him, he would have to be guarded. Hill, when he is aggressive, must be guarded. His 3 pct isn't terrible, it's just not good (like 35%). The really good 3 point shooters make 3's at a 40% or better clip, imo.

Kurt Thomas has been playing well for us really ever since that overtime game. And Oberto plays well on the court with Tim. Oberto is a high basketball iq player, great passer for a big man, knows where to be on the floor (knack), great at tap out rebounds, sets solid screens. And hopefully he will be seeing more minutes too.


Tony needs to work with Chip on his shot again. Repetitions and form. Also, better shot selection.

And hopefully in 2 weeks we will have Manu back. And he will need to be coming off the bench and play at the end of games too.


But, again, these last 2 games were really poor. I think the intensity and attitude must dramatically change if we are to make a run for the title. If that does change, then and only then can Gooden (and possibly Head) make a difference and give us a legitimate shot at winning another championship in an odd year once again.


:flag:

[Mavs<Spurs]

get head and gooden..........bye to vaughn and ime......our bench suddenly would look a whole lot better

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[Spursfan092120]

Get head and gooden..........bye to vaughn and ime......our bench suddenly would look a whole lot better
:tu Exactly..that's what I said earlier.