Gooden commits to signing with Spurs

[jrmp317]

Right now, I'm down with the Gooden signing. It's better than doing nothing.

Positives:

-Fantastic rebounder at both ends of the court. His offensive rebounds aren't tapouts either, they are tips ins and putbacks. He has a quick jump which helps him in this regard.

-Very good midrange jumpshot. When he came into the league he even played some 3. A pick n pop with Manu/Gooden when the benchies are on is going to be a pretty reliable offensive option.

-He runs the floor. Other than Timmy, who runs the floor very well, the Spurs bigs suck in this regard due to physical liabilities.

-He immeadiatly becomes the most athletic Spurs bigman. He isn't as athletic as when he started out due to extra weight/age and so on, but the guy can still suprise with athletic moves and dunks. Seeing Spurs fans wanted to make Pops Mensa-Bonsu the next Shawn Kemp after a basic 2 hand dunk, they may appreciate Drew's athleticism.

-He has a very positive, upbeat energy about him. He hustles. When things are going flat its always nice to have a guy who can bring energy to the crowd, to the team and to the game. Similar somewhat to Mario Elie of Stephen Jackson. I like having a guy like that around.

Negatives:

Defense. His man to man isn't to terrible, but he does really suck in terms of understanding rotations. I seen it a lot when he was with Cleveland. He gets the first rotation right and then looks as if he is happy with himself and forgets about the next rotation that is needed.

He doesn't block shots which is what we all love to have next to Timmy. He doesn't really intimidate or contest shots particularly well either.

He is/can be a black hole on the block or in face up situations. I think this is in part due to his crappy passing skills. But there is a good chance the ball isn't coming out if you dump it down low to Drew. He also has bad shot selection, often settling for fadeaway jumpers when better shots could be had.

All up though, you can't complain about this signing. There is no risk, but room for pretty high reward. In a perfect world, Drew really could be the solution to some of the Spurs patented offensive slumps.

Hill/Manu/Bowen/Gooden/Thomas can be a nice lineup with a decent mixture of offense and defense that can keep the Spurs in games when Tony is resting and Timmy is in foul trouble or needs a rest. Knowing Spurs fans, Drew will have a great first game and everyone will expect the 13/8 averages, but it isn't going to happen. 8/5 from Drew with passable defense would go a long way in helping the Spurs get back to the Finals.

very well put :toast

[SouthTexasRancher]

Strange...a player that the Spurs were reported to be front-runners for actually signs with them? What's the world coming to
:lol


About time, eh! Now if we could somehow get Kobe, LeBron and Howard to come to the Spurs ... damn, I've had too many cups of Columbian Java!

Gooden just might be what the doctor ordered for the playoffs! Especially with a healthy Manu!

[Raoul Duke]

cool.


hey banzai, what the hell is going on in that sig of yours?

[21GoSpursGo9]

How serious can this hernia injury be? If he needs surgery, how long does it take to recover?

[Solid D]

Excellent post, MI21. Your point about Gooden making the 1st rotation and then getting happy with himself is the very way to get himself sitting next to Jacque Vaughn. He was not one of LeBron's favorite guys, apparently, due to Gooden frequently being out of position, not to mention Gooden's friendship with DeShawn Stevenson.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

At first I was totally psyched....after reading about his injury problems, I realize this is nothing more than a token gesture and wishful thinking.

Lame.

[Rapper]

This is the most powerful signing in the history of San Antonio Spurs

[gmanrulz]

did they say whos getting cut?

[angelbelow]

did they say whos getting cut?

probably gonna be pops... hes the most expendable..

[senorglory]

he does really suck in terms of understanding rotations...He also has bad shot selection, often settling for fadeaway jumpers when better shots could be had.


Excellent post, MI21. Your point about Gooden making the 1st rotation and then getting happy with himself is the very way to get himself sitting next to Jacque Vaughn. He was not one of LeBron's favorite guys, apparently, due to Gooden frequently being out of position

agreed, agreed. failure to rotate properly + poor shot selection will get you banninated to Pop's doghouse pretty quick.

[phyzik]

This is the most powerful signing in the history of San Antonio Spurs

no its not.

Gooden is a good player, he will help against the Fakers but its still not a lock for a win. Its definately not the greatest signing of the Spurs but still, a good one in recent history. It might be up there in the top 5 as far as the Spurs go, but its not the greatest.

[crc21209]

Theres this feeling in me that says his injury isnt that serious.

[SequSpur]

udoka

[Spursfan092120]

If the injury would keep him injured for a while or keep him out of the lineup in the playoffs, I don't think they would have signed him.

[crc21209]

If the injury would keep him injured for a while or keep him out of the lineup in the playoffs, I don't think they would have signed him.


That's what I thought too, and said also. :toast

[LakerLanny]

Not sure Gooden could even make the Lakers powerful roster.

But good for you! :hat

[Yorae]

His injury is probably not that bad. Else FO wouldn't have signed him.

[m33p0]

Right now, I'm down with the Gooden signing. It's better than doing nothing.

Positives:

-Fantastic rebounder at both ends of the court. His offensive rebounds aren't tapouts either, they are tips ins and putbacks. He has a quick jump which helps him in this regard.

-Very good midrange jumpshot. When he came into the league he even played some 3. A pick n pop with Manu/Gooden when the benchies are on is going to be a pretty reliable offensive option.

-He runs the floor. Other than Timmy, who runs the floor very well, the Spurs bigs suck in this regard due to physical liabilities.

-He immeadiatly becomes the most athletic Spurs bigman. He isn't as athletic as when he started out due to extra weight/age and so on, but the guy can still suprise with athletic moves and dunks. Seeing Spurs fans wanted to make Pops Mensa-Bonsu the next Shawn Kemp after a basic 2 hand dunk, they may appreciate Drew's athleticism.

-He has a very positive, upbeat energy about him. He hustles. When things are going flat its always nice to have a guy who can bring energy to the crowd, to the team and to the game. Similar somewhat to Mario Elie of Stephen Jackson. I like having a guy like that around.

Negatives:

Defense. His man to man isn't to terrible, but he does really suck in terms of understanding rotations. I seen it a lot when he was with Cleveland. He gets the first rotation right and then looks as if he is happy with himself and forgets about the next rotation that is needed.

He doesn't block shots which is what we all love to have next to Timmy. He doesn't really intimidate or contest shots particularly well either.

He is/can be a black hole on the block or in face up situations. I think this is in part due to his crappy passing skills. But there is a good chance the ball isn't coming out if you dump it down low to Drew. He also has bad shot selection, often settling for fadeaway jumpers when better shots could be had.

All up though, you can't complain about this signing. There is no risk, but room for pretty high reward. In a perfect world, Drew really could be the solution to some of the Spurs patented offensive slumps.

Hill/Manu/Bowen/Gooden/Thomas can be a nice lineup with a decent mixture of offense and defense that can keep the Spurs in games when Tony is resting and Timmy is in foul trouble or needs a rest. Knowing Spurs fans, Drew will have a great first game and everyone will expect the 13/8 averages, but it isn't going to happen. 8/5 from Drew with passable defense would go a long way in helping the Spurs get back to the Finals.
thanks for the input.:tu

[rogcl1]

Drew Gooden

PPG 13.1
RPG 8.7
APG 1.4
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.4

Matt Bonner

PPG 8.8
RPG 4.9
APG 1.1
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.3


A starting center who averages less than 5 rebounds a game, can't score in the post, can't even average double digit scoring, is completely unathletic, slow, can't jump, isn't even in the right place for rotations and whose sole virtue is that he can hit the 3

vs a consistent starting power forward who would free Tim up in the post as a consistent scoring threat, who is more athletic, nearly averages a double double--


I hope you're joking-- because it is seriously stupid to believe that Matt Bonner is as good a player or a better player than Drew Gooden.


:nope

Bonner has done a good job this year. He has been playing to his strength and playing the role envisioned for him. He is not a bruising post up player, but that is not what is always needed for the Spurs to succeed. His value to the team is to spread the floor and make room for Duncan, Parker ect. to operate. Players like Gooden have different strengths and provide other options than Bonner in certain situations and matchups. The different strengths of these two guys certainly can be beneficial to the Spurs depending on opponents , matchups and game situations.

[Spursfan092120]

If the injury would keep him injured for a while or keep him out of the lineup in the playoffs, I don't think they would have signed him.


That's what I thought too, and said also. :toast


His injury is probably not that bad. Else FO wouldn't have signed him.

So we're all in agreement..lol

[Spursfan092120]

Not sure Gooden could even make the Lakers powerful roster.

But good for you! :hat
Your "powerful" Lakers tried to sign him at the last minute, d-bag....he chose us instead. And then the wire in LA said that he was the one guy they were hoping we wouldn't get. See you in the WCF.

[mfanatic]

you guys do understand that this is the best post player since Robinson to play with Duncan right..

[peskypesky]

you guys do understand that this is the best post player since Robinson to play with Duncan right..

damn straight.

[Spur|n|Austin]

you guys do understand that this is the best post player since Robinson to play with Duncan right..

Tough to say without seeing him play in the system yet, but yes it just possibly could be..

GSG!

[dav4463]

I like him. He has a Spurs mentality. He plays tough defense and is not selfish. He just does his job. That's exactly the kind of player we need.

[Gutter92]

Not sure Gooden could even make the Lakers powerful roster.

But good for you! :hat

Yea seriously, how could he make the roster over guys like Mbenga?

[The_Game]

I like him. He has a Spurs mentality. He plays tough defense and is not selfish. He just does his job. That's exactly the kind of player we need.

LOL WHAT? plays tough defense? gooden is a terrible defender and makes bonehead decisions on the court...not a spurs kind of player at all.

[Yorae]

Trivia:

Which current Spurs Player was drafted in the same year as Drew Gooden?

[Chomag]

I'm not getting the all the hype this guy is getting. He is being overrated and he is injured. Why so much excitement for signing a player that might not even be able top play?

I hope I do eat these words though I really do but there more I am seeing, I'm just seeing a disaster.

[TheSpursFNRule]

I'm not getting the all the hype this guy is getting. He is being overrated and he is injured. Why so much excitement for signing a player that might not even be able top play?

I hope I do eat these words though I really do but there more I am seeing, I'm just seeing a disaster.

A disaster?

A. The Spurs got him for nothing
B. They wouldn't have gotten him if this injury were serious. No one is that dumb
C. No one is overating him, this isn't George Hill, this is a big who averages 13 points and 9 rebounds and will be playing next to Tim Duncan.

How the fuck does disaster come into this?

:flag:

[Chomag]

Trivia:

Which current Spurs Player was drafted in the same year as Drew Gooden?

Roger Mason?

[Spursfan092120]

A disaster?

A. The Spurs got him for nothing
B. They wouldn't have gotten him if this injury were serious. No one is that dumb
C. No one is overating him, this isn't George Hill, this is a big who averages 13 points and 9 rebounds and will be playing next to Tim Duncan.

How the fuck does disaster come into this?

:flag:
:tu

[Yorae]

Roger Mason?

Hell yeah!!!! Unfortunately, the spurs made a big mistake that year when they let the 55th overall pick walk out of their door....:depressed

[Chomag]

A disaster?

A. The Spurs got him for nothing
B. They wouldn't have gotten him if this injury were serious. No one is that dumb
C. No one is overating him, this isn't George Hill, this is a big who averages 13 points and 9 rebounds and will be playing next to Tim Duncan.

How the fuck does disaster come into this?

:flag:


You honestly think he is going to give the Spurs 13 points and 9 rebounds?

[Yorae]

I suggest to reserve judgement until he plays to avoid the risk of looking stupid.

[Spursfan092120]

You honestly think he is going to give the Spurs 13 points and 9 rebounds?

I would say considering that's his average that it's quite possible.

[Chomag]

I suggest to reserve judgement until he plays to avoid the risk of looking stupid.

True, like I was saying I might be eating my words in a few days and if he does come in and contribute to our team, more power to him. I"m just calling it as I see it right now.


Hmm, I wonder how crow tastes with katchup?

[Tbam327]

Yeah POPS Looked really good...but GOOODEN yeah finally someone to help out down low let him take his time we need him but in the playoffs more than right now. Take a look a the future the spurs have. Ian,Hairston,mason,hill,Parker,POPS? then if they can get one of our euros to sign we don't look too bad...young but good.

[GSH]

Gooden's aggresiveness is a good thing. I agree with you. But that's not going to have some huge profound effect on how Duncan gets guarded, which was the only point I was trying to make. Doesn't matter whether it results in Gooden getting a good look at the rim or a perimeter guy getting a good look at a 3, doubling Tim Duncan is still going to be the lesser of the evils.



Do you remember David Robinson's last season? Do you think having him on the floor took some of the heat off of Tim? Let me make it easier... who would you rather have on the floor with Tim: Robinson in his last season, or Rasho Nesterovic the following season?

When you compare D-Rob's 02-03 numbers to Rasho's 03-04 numbers, on a per-36 minute basis, they are really very similar. David averaged 11.7 points, 10.9 rbs, 2.4 blocks, and shot .469. Rasho averaged 10.9 points, 9.7 rbs, 2.5 blocks, and shot .469. And remember, that is adjusted to a per-36 basis, so it's not a matter of who played more minutes. Both were 7-footers, and both played the 5.

Based on that, it doesn't look like David was any more of a threat in 02-03 than Rasho was in 03-04. There was obviously a big difference between the two on the offensive end. But "knowing" it is one thing, and measuring it is another. I'm saying that one indicator is free throw attempts. David averaged 4.6 FTA/36, compared to 1.7 FTA/36 for Rasho. (And please don't try to blame it on touches. Rasho took 10.7 FGA, compared to 9.0 FGA for Robinson.) They put Robinson on the line more, because they had to. So which one of those guys do you think took more heat off of Tim?

Go do a search on FGA's for NBA centers. Look closely at the players at the top, middle, and bottom of the list. The differences will be obvious. I'll give you one good example: Dwight Howard averages 20.9 ppg, while Zach Randolph averages 21.8 ppg. Which one of those guys is more worrisome for opposing defenses? You can get a pretty good clue from the fact that Howard gets 10.7 FTA/36 vs. 4.8 FTA/36 for Randolph. Dwight Howard doesn't dominate a game because of a few more free throw attempts. He gets the free throw attempts because he can dominate a game. The FTA's are a symptom.

Gooden "only" gets about 3.8 FTA/36 minutes. Not up there with the big boys, but a hell of a lot better than the 1.2-1.8 that all of our other bigs since David have gotten. And it's enough to make a difference to Tim. I've watched this stat for a long time, and I'm telling you... the difference between a guy that gets 1.2 FTA in the low post and a guy that gets 3.8 FTA is huge in terms of how much attention the opposing defenses have to pay to them.

[Spursfan092120]

Do you remember David Robinson's last season? Do you think having him on the floor took some of the heat off of Tim? Let me make it easier... who would you rather have on the floor with Tim: Robinson in his last season, or Rasho Nesterovic the following season?

When you compare D-Rob's 02-03 numbers to Rasho's 03-04 numbers, on a per-36 minute basis, they are really very similar. David averaged 11.7 points, 10.9 rbs, 2.4 blocks, and shot .469. Rasho averaged 10.9 points, 9.7 rbs, 2.5 blocks, and shot .469. And remember, that is adjusted to a per-36 basis, so it's not a matter of who played more minutes. Both were 7-footers, and both played the 5.

Based on that, it doesn't look like David was any more of a threat in 02-03 than Rasho was in 03-04. There was obviously a big difference between the two on the offensive end. But "knowing" it is one thing, and measuring it is another. I'm saying that one indicator is free throw attempts. David averaged 4.6 FTA/36, compared to 1.7 FTA/36 for Rasho. (And please don't try to blame it on touches. Rasho took 10.7 FGA, compared to 9.0 FGA for Robinson.) They put Robinson on the line more, because they had to. So which one of those guys do you think took more heat off of Tim?

Go do a search on FGA's for NBA centers. Look closely at the players at the top, middle, and bottom of the list. The differences will be obvious. I'll give you one good example: Dwight Howard averages 20.9 ppg, while Zach Randolph averages 21.8 ppg. Which one of those guys is more worrisome for opposing defenses? You can get a pretty good clue from the fact that Howard gets 10.7 FTA/36 vs. 4.8 FTA/36 for Randolph. Dwight Howard doesn't dominate a game because of a few more free throw attempts. He gets the free throw attempts because he can dominate a game. The FTA's are a symptom.

Gooden "only" gets about 3.8 FTA/36 minutes. Not up there with the big boys, but a hell of a lot better than the 1.2-1.8 that all of our other bigs since David have gotten. And it's enough to make a difference to Tim. I've watched this stat for a long time, and I'm telling you... the difference between a guy that gets 1.2 FTA in the low post and a guy that gets 3.8 FTA is huge in terms of how much attention the opposing defenses have to pay to them.
fantastic and well thought out post. :tu

[bigdog]

Do you remember David Robinson's last season? Do you think having him on the floor took some of the heat off of Tim? Let me make it easier... who would you rather have on the floor with Tim: Robinson in his last season, or Rasho Nesterovic the following season?

When you compare D-Rob's 02-03 numbers to Rasho's 03-04 numbers, on a per-36 minute basis, they are really very similar. David averaged 11.7 points, 10.9 rbs, 2.4 blocks, and shot .469. Rasho averaged 10.9 points, 9.7 rbs, 2.5 blocks, and shot .469. And remember, that is adjusted to a per-36 basis, so it's not a matter of who played more minutes. Both were 7-footers, and both played the 5.

Based on that, it doesn't look like David was any more of a threat in 02-03 than Rasho was in 03-04. There was obviously a big difference between the two on the offensive end. But "knowing" it is one thing, and measuring it is another. I'm saying that one indicator is free throw attempts. David averaged 4.6 FTA/36, compared to 1.7 FTA/36 for Rasho. (And please don't try to blame it on touches. Rasho took 10.7 FGA, compared to 9.0 FGA for Robinson.) They put Robinson on the line more, because they had to. So which one of those guys do you think took more heat off of Tim?

Go do a search on FGA's for NBA centers. Look closely at the players at the top, middle, and bottom of the list. The differences will be obvious. I'll give you one good example: Dwight Howard averages 20.9 ppg, while Zach Randolph averages 21.8 ppg. Which one of those guys is more worrisome for opposing defenses? You can get a pretty good clue from the fact that Howard gets 10.7 FTA/36 vs. 4.8 FTA/36 for Randolph. Dwight Howard doesn't dominate a game because of a few more free throw attempts. He gets the free throw attempts because he can dominate a game. The FTA's are a symptom.

Gooden "only" gets about 3.8 FTA/36 minutes. Not up there with the big boys, but a hell of a lot better than the 1.2-1.8 that all of our other bigs since David have gotten. And it's enough to make a difference to Tim. I've watched this stat for a long time, and I'm telling you... the difference between a guy that gets 1.2 FTA in the low post and a guy that gets 3.8 FTA is huge in terms of how much attention the opposing defenses have to pay to them.

good one! :toast

[slayermin]

Gooden is good offensive player. From what I have seen of him, he has Malik Rose type range. He can post up and has some athleticism. Nothing major. On defense, he isn't very tough on the low post and seems disinterested at times. But my opinion of him is skewed because I usually saw him play against Tim Duncan and the Spurs. TD usually dominated him on a regular basis. That being said, I'm thrilled that he is a Spur. This can only help the Spurs, as others have stated.

I was extremely impressed with Pops Mensah-Bonsu. His athleticism and quickness at his size made me dream of a guy who could matchup with Amare Stoudemire, Lamar Odom, maybe even LeBron. It's disappointing not to see him get some extended minutes out on the floor. Obviously he isn't ready yet and far from a sure thing. But I liked what I saw and I hope we keep him.

[Spursfan092120]

Drew Gooden

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Andrew Gooden San Antonio Spurs — No. 90 Power forward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_%28basketball%29) Height 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) Weight 250 lb (113.4 kg) League NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) Born September 24, 1981 (1981-09-24) (age 27)
Oakland, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California) Nationality American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) High school El Cerrito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cerrito_High_School) College Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas) Draft 4th overall, 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_Draft)
Memphis Grizzlies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Grizzlies) Pro career 2002–present Former teams Memphis Grizzlies (2002–2003)
Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Magic) (2003–2004)
Cleveland Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Cavaliers) (2004-2008)
Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls) (2008-2009)
Sacramento Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings) (2009)
San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs) (2009-present) Profile Info Page (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/drew_gooden) Andrew Melvin "Drew" Gooden[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-0) (born September 24 1981 in Oakland, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) professional basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball) player who plays for the San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs) of the NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA). Gooden is a 6'10", 250 lbs. power forward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_%28basketball%29) from the University of Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas).



High school
Before Gooden played the center position at El Cerrito High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cerrito_High_School), he attended Bloomington High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomington_High_School_%28Bloomington,_Illinois%2 9) in Bloomington, Illinois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomington,_Illinois) for a half semester in his freshman year. After going back to California, he, as a senior, led his Gauchos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauchos) to the 1999 California Interscholastic Federation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Interscholastic_Federation) Boys Division III championship game. Washington Union High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Union_High_School) (led by NBA guard DeShawn Stevenson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShawn_Stevenson)) won the championship game over El Cerrito HS by a score of 77-71.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-1)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=2)] College

Gooden joined Nick Collison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Collison) and Kirk Hinrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Hinrich) in a trio of fabulous freshmen for the 1999-2000 season. Although at times Gooden was frustrated with the way things were going his freshman year, he finally adjusted to coach Roy Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Williams)' system.
In his freshman year, KU went 24-10 and lost to the Duke Blue Devils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Blue_Devils) in the second round of the 2000 NCAA Basketball Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament). The next season, the Jayhawks went 26-7 and fell to the Illinois Fighting Illini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Fighting_Illini), coached by future KU coach Bill Self (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Self), in the 2001 NCAA Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NCAA_Tournament) Sweet Sixteen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Sixteen).
His most successful season was 2002, where he led the nation in rebounding and was named NABC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NABC) national player of the year. The Jayhawks went 33-4, including 16-0 in Big 12 Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference) play to win KU its first conference championship since 1998. The Jayhawks also advanced to their first Final Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Four) in the 2002 NCAA Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NCAA_Tournament) since 1993; however, they lost to the eventual national champion Maryland Terrapins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Terrapins) in the semifinal.
For being named NABC player of the year for 2002, Gooden's jersey (#0) was retired in 2003, at halftime of a KU home game with Kansas State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_State_Wildcats) in what would have been his senior year had he not foregone his senior year for the NBA.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=3)] NBA Draft

Gooden declared himself for the draft after his impressive junior year. Out of the University of Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas), Gooden was selected as the 4th overall pick by the Memphis Grizzlies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Grizzlies) in the 2002 NBA Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_Draft).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=4)] Professional

As a professional, Gooden has established himself as a solid power forward, consistently bringing down double digit numbers in points and rebounds. He is also considered a good guy on and off the court, named one of the "Good Guys in Sports" by The Sporting News.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-2)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=5)] Cleveland Cavaliers

After the Carlos Boozer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Boozer) controversy, the Cleveland Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Cavaliers) needed another power forward. On July 23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_23), 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004) Cleveland obtained Gooden, Anderson Varejao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Varejao), and Steven Hunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hunter) for Tony Battie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Battie) and two second-round draft picks from the Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Magic) via trade.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-NBAbio-3)
Gooden re-signed with the Cavaliers for three more years on August 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_14), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-4) He agreed to a three-year, $23 million contract.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-5)
In the 2006-07 NBA season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006-07_NBA_season), he averaged 11.1 points per game and 7.9 rebounds per game.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-6)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=6)] Chicago Bulls

On February 21, 2008, Gooden was traded from the Cavs (along with Larry Hughes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Hughes), Cedric Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Simmons), and Shannon Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Brown)) to the Chicago Bulls as a part of a three-team, 11-player deal with the Bulls and Seattle SuperSonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_SuperSonics).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-7) This trade occurred on the date of the 2007-2008 season's trade deadline.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=7)] Sacramento Kings

On February 18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_18), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009), Gooden was traded to the Sacramento Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings) in a six man deal that included Andres Nocioni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andres_Nocioni) and Cedric Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Simmons).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-8)
On March 1, 2009 Gooden was bought out of his contract making him a free agent after playing just one game for the Kings. [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-9)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=8)] San Antonio Spurs

On March 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_3), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009), Gooden was signed to the San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)


Was he already signed?

[angelbelow]

Drew Gooden

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Andrew Gooden San Antonio Spurs — No. 90 Power forward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_%28basketball%29) Height 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) Weight 250 lb (113.4 kg) League NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Basketball_Association) Born September 24, 1981 (1981-09-24) (age 27)
Oakland, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California) Nationality American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) High school El Cerrito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cerrito_High_School) College Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas) Draft 4th overall, 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_Draft)
Memphis Grizzlies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Grizzlies) Pro career 2002–present Former teams Memphis Grizzlies (2002–2003)
Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Magic) (2003–2004)
Cleveland Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Cavaliers) (2004-2008)
Chicago Bulls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bulls) (2008-2009)
Sacramento Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings) (2009)
San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs) (2009-present) Profile Info Page (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/drew_gooden) Andrew Melvin "Drew" Gooden[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-0) (born September 24 1981 in Oakland, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland,_California)) is an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) professional basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basketball) player who plays for the San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs) of the NBA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA). Gooden is a 6'10", 250 lbs. power forward (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_%28basketball%29) from the University of Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas).



High school
Before Gooden played the center position at El Cerrito High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cerrito_High_School), he attended Bloomington High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomington_High_School_%28Bloomington,_Illinois%2 9) in Bloomington, Illinois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomington,_Illinois) for a half semester in his freshman year. After going back to California, he, as a senior, led his Gauchos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauchos) to the 1999 California Interscholastic Federation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Interscholastic_Federation) Boys Division III championship game. Washington Union High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Union_High_School) (led by NBA guard DeShawn Stevenson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShawn_Stevenson)) won the championship game over El Cerrito HS by a score of 77-71.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-1)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=2)] College

Gooden joined Nick Collison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Collison) and Kirk Hinrich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Hinrich) in a trio of fabulous freshmen for the 1999-2000 season. Although at times Gooden was frustrated with the way things were going his freshman year, he finally adjusted to coach Roy Williams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Williams)' system.
In his freshman year, KU went 24-10 and lost to the Duke Blue Devils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Blue_Devils) in the second round of the 2000 NCAA Basketball Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men%27s_Division_I_Basketball_Tournament). The next season, the Jayhawks went 26-7 and fell to the Illinois Fighting Illini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Fighting_Illini), coached by future KU coach Bill Self (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Self), in the 2001 NCAA Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NCAA_Tournament) Sweet Sixteen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Sixteen).
His most successful season was 2002, where he led the nation in rebounding and was named NABC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NABC) national player of the year. The Jayhawks went 33-4, including 16-0 in Big 12 Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Conference) play to win KU its first conference championship since 1998. The Jayhawks also advanced to their first Final Four (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Four) in the 2002 NCAA Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NCAA_Tournament) since 1993; however, they lost to the eventual national champion Maryland Terrapins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Terrapins) in the semifinal.
For being named NABC player of the year for 2002, Gooden's jersey (#0) was retired in 2003, at halftime of a KU home game with Kansas State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_State_Wildcats) in what would have been his senior year had he not foregone his senior year for the NBA.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=3)] NBA Draft

Gooden declared himself for the draft after his impressive junior year. Out of the University of Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Kansas), Gooden was selected as the 4th overall pick by the Memphis Grizzlies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Grizzlies) in the 2002 NBA Draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NBA_Draft).

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=4)] Professional

As a professional, Gooden has established himself as a solid power forward, consistently bringing down double digit numbers in points and rebounds. He is also considered a good guy on and off the court, named one of the "Good Guys in Sports" by The Sporting News.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-2)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=5)] Cleveland Cavaliers

After the Carlos Boozer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Boozer) controversy, the Cleveland Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Cavaliers) needed another power forward. On July 23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_23), 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004) Cleveland obtained Gooden, Anderson Varejao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_Varejao), and Steven Hunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Hunter) for Tony Battie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Battie) and two second-round draft picks from the Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Magic) via trade.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-NBAbio-3)
Gooden re-signed with the Cavaliers for three more years on August 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_14), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-4) He agreed to a three-year, $23 million contract.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-5)
In the 2006-07 NBA season (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006-07_NBA_season), he averaged 11.1 points per game and 7.9 rebounds per game.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-6)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=6)] Chicago Bulls

On February 21, 2008, Gooden was traded from the Cavs (along with Larry Hughes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Hughes), Cedric Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Simmons), and Shannon Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_Brown)) to the Chicago Bulls as a part of a three-team, 11-player deal with the Bulls and Seattle SuperSonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_SuperSonics).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-7) This trade occurred on the date of the 2007-2008 season's trade deadline.

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=7)] Sacramento Kings

On February 18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_18), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009), Gooden was traded to the Sacramento Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings) in a six man deal that included Andres Nocioni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andres_Nocioni) and Cedric Simmons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Simmons).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-8)
On March 1, 2009 Gooden was bought out of his contract making him a free agent after playing just one game for the Kings. [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Gooden#cite_note-9)

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drew_Gooden&action=edit&section=8)] San Antonio Spurs

On March 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_3), 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009), Gooden was signed to the San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_Spurs)


Was he already signed?

not sure but who ever edited that must have been a huge gooden fan.

[Spursfan092120]

not sure but who ever edited that must have been a huge gooden fan.

Yeah..either that or a huge Spurs fan that really likes Gooden..lol

[Spursfan092120]

Professional

As a professional, Gooden has established himself as a solid power forward, consistently bringing down double digit numbers in points and rebounds. He is also considered a good guy on and off the court, named one of the "Good Guys in Sports" by The Sporting News.

I guess he is a Spur...lol

[m33p0]

Do you remember David Robinson's last season? Do you think having him on the floor took some of the heat off of Tim? Let me make it easier... who would you rather have on the floor with Tim: Robinson in his last season, or Rasho Nesterovic the following season?

When you compare D-Rob's 02-03 numbers to Rasho's 03-04 numbers, on a per-36 minute basis, they are really very similar. David averaged 11.7 points, 10.9 rbs, 2.4 blocks, and shot .469. Rasho averaged 10.9 points, 9.7 rbs, 2.5 blocks, and shot .469. And remember, that is adjusted to a per-36 basis, so it's not a matter of who played more minutes. Both were 7-footers, and both played the 5.

Based on that, it doesn't look like David was any more of a threat in 02-03 than Rasho was in 03-04. There was obviously a big difference between the two on the offensive end. But "knowing" it is one thing, and measuring it is another. I'm saying that one indicator is free throw attempts. David averaged 4.6 FTA/36, compared to 1.7 FTA/36 for Rasho. (And please don't try to blame it on touches. Rasho took 10.7 FGA, compared to 9.0 FGA for Robinson.) They put Robinson on the line more, because they had to. So which one of those guys do you think took more heat off of Tim?

Go do a search on FGA's for NBA centers. Look closely at the players at the top, middle, and bottom of the list. The differences will be obvious. I'll give you one good example: Dwight Howard averages 20.9 ppg, while Zach Randolph averages 21.8 ppg. Which one of those guys is more worrisome for opposing defenses? You can get a pretty good clue from the fact that Howard gets 10.7 FTA/36 vs. 4.8 FTA/36 for Randolph. Dwight Howard doesn't dominate a game because of a few more free throw attempts. He gets the free throw attempts because he can dominate a game. The FTA's are a symptom.

Gooden "only" gets about 3.8 FTA/36 minutes. Not up there with the big boys, but a hell of a lot better than the 1.2-1.8 that all of our other bigs since David have gotten. And it's enough to make a difference to Tim. I've watched this stat for a long time, and I'm telling you... the difference between a guy that gets 1.2 FTA in the low post and a guy that gets 3.8 FTA is huge in terms of how much attention the opposing defenses have to pay to them.
solid post.

[InK]

WHat the fuck? 1.5m?!? WOW.

[Slippy]

This will only work if Gooden adjusts to the Spurs way of doing things. Not the other way around. Maybe being traded by a few teams and bought out by the kings sets him with an attitude of trying to fit in. IF not, he better get used to the role of doghouse minder.

[wisnub]

At least something happened ! now the question who is gonna be waived ? hairston ? pops ? udoka ?

Hairston proved that he can play..slashing basket, ocasionaly nails jumper, dunking all over the place and rebound, not to mention become defender player (he can learn alot from Master Bruce in the art of defense)..from minutes that he receiving, he definitely stay...
Vaugh is going to stay..i just knew it somehow Pop loved him, and he did everything the team ask for and work hard even though no fans believed on him. He should stay for the sake of respect for what he is done.
Pops...this guy is kinnda shaky. One point he is really good dunking,blocking and rebounding and he can shoot FT...but he still need alot to learn. I will keep him if I was Spurs since Splitter is not coming why not take a chance on a guy who can score 26 points and MVP in D League?? He still got time to learn Spurs system.


The one who is going is: UDOKA..his contract is expiring, he should be gone.
UDOKA SHOULD BEGONE..but my insticts Pop is the one is going to be kicked out....ANYONE AGREE WITH ME???

[timtonymanu]

so we spent the last month thinking we could land sheed, carter, salmons/miller, or wilcox/smith. but we ended up with Gooden. ill take it.

a week ago i would not have believed that Gooden was coming to the Spurs.

[Obstructed_View]

I'll believe he's healthy when I see it. It's a low-risk signing regardless, as Pops isn't likely to be the difference maker during a title run. I'd be praying for them to drop Udoka if I hadn't been reminded that he's got an option at the end of the season. There might be an outside chance that JV gets promoted to assistant coach, but that's pretty doubtful, and probably not worth the risk, as Hill hasn't developed into a solid enough backup at the point to risk going into the stretch run with just him behind Parker.

[jdev82]

You honestly think he is going to give the Spurs 13 points and 9 rebounds?

agreed. it depends where we will play in the rotation. some posters have said it before, but there are alot of options. gooden-duncan(which kills bonners fragile belief in himself) bonner-gooden when duncan comes out
gooden-thomas(lotta trash rebounds for them) gooden oberto
theres plenty. and i think this really helps us if all he does is rebound, and maybe score a little when we need to keep defenses from swarming the perimeter. he wont give us 8-9 a game, but what this does do is hes a great stong box out and it will cut 2nd chance points(which have been killing us all year IMO) in half. all big rotations will have at least 1 great rebounder.

[Bruno]

Gooden agreed to a buy out where he lost $1.8M in guaranteed money and his bird rights.
If Gooden and his agent have done that, it means that they are confident about Gooden's health and his ability to pass a physical and play this year.
There are reasons to be optimistic about his injury/injuries.

[Obstructed_View]

Gooden agreed to a buy out where he lost $1.8M in guaranteed money and his bird rights.
If Gooden and his agent have done that, it means that they are confident about Gooden's health and his ability to pass a physical and play this year.
There are reasons to be optimistic about his injury/injuries.

Good points. If nothing else they make me feel better about it. :)

[SA210]

Parker
Ginobili
Bowen
Gooden
Duncan


Good to go :tu

[Spurs Brazil]

Gooden will help us. I just hope he's healthy enought to do it

[Agloco]

Good pickup given the circumstances......

[Agloco]

You honestly think he is going to give the Spurs 13 points and 9 rebounds?

That depends entirely on his role in the lineup. I can see him being at least as productive and Oberto and Thomas combined.

[polandprzem]

That depends entirely on his role in the lineup. I can see him being at least as productive and Oberto and Thomas combined.

haha no way

Gooden is not able to do things that Thomas can and Oberto can.

main qestion for me is, if he can understand his role and spurs system to be a helpfull roleplayer in a meaning being on the same place in rotation where Oberto is.
Also we do have a health issue

[MaNu4Tres]

haha no way

Gooden is not able to do things that Thomas can and Oberto can.

main qestion for me is, if he can understand his role and spurs system to be a helpfull roleplayer in a meaning being on the same place in rotation where Oberto is.
Also we do have a health issue

Gooden has more skills and talent than both Kurt and Oberto

[Borosai]

I'm very confident that Gooden will either help or he won't help, but not both at the same time.

[hater]

This is huge! Looking at the stats, there are only about 15 or 16 big men in the NBA who average 13 and 8.7, now we have two of them.

This should put us over the top for # 5!!!!!

:tu

If Gooden is healthy, Spurs/Lakers series becomes closer than ever.

[hater]

I'm very confident that Gooden will either help or he won't help, but not both at the same time.

actually you are 100% wrong. He will help on offense as he is athletic and very talented and even can create his own shot .

He will not help on defense at least to start with.

[MoSpur]

Good signing to sign Gooden.

[coyotes_geek]

Do you remember David Robinson's last season? Do you think having him on the floor took some of the heat off of Tim? Let me make it easier... who would you rather have on the floor with Tim: Robinson in his last season, or Rasho Nesterovic the following season?

When you compare D-Rob's 02-03 numbers to Rasho's 03-04 numbers, on a per-36 minute basis, they are really very similar. David averaged 11.7 points, 10.9 rbs, 2.4 blocks, and shot .469. Rasho averaged 10.9 points, 9.7 rbs, 2.5 blocks, and shot .469. And remember, that is adjusted to a per-36 basis, so it's not a matter of who played more minutes. Both were 7-footers, and both played the 5.

Based on that, it doesn't look like David was any more of a threat in 02-03 than Rasho was in 03-04. There was obviously a big difference between the two on the offensive end. But "knowing" it is one thing, and measuring it is another. I'm saying that one indicator is free throw attempts. David averaged 4.6 FTA/36, compared to 1.7 FTA/36 for Rasho. (And please don't try to blame it on touches. Rasho took 10.7 FGA, compared to 9.0 FGA for Robinson.) They put Robinson on the line more, because they had to. So which one of those guys do you think took more heat off of Tim?

Go do a search on FGA's for NBA centers. Look closely at the players at the top, middle, and bottom of the list. The differences will be obvious. I'll give you one good example: Dwight Howard averages 20.9 ppg, while Zach Randolph averages 21.8 ppg. Which one of those guys is more worrisome for opposing defenses? You can get a pretty good clue from the fact that Howard gets 10.7 FTA/36 vs. 4.8 FTA/36 for Randolph. Dwight Howard doesn't dominate a game because of a few more free throw attempts. He gets the free throw attempts because he can dominate a game. The FTA's are a symptom.

Gooden "only" gets about 3.8 FTA/36 minutes. Not up there with the big boys, but a hell of a lot better than the 1.2-1.8 that all of our other bigs since David have gotten. And it's enough to make a difference to Tim. I've watched this stat for a long time, and I'm telling you... the difference between a guy that gets 1.2 FTA in the low post and a guy that gets 3.8 FTA is huge in terms of how much attention the opposing defenses have to pay to them.

I've already said Gooden will help. You don't have to sell me on that. I agree with you. But when it comes to how teams are going to defend Duncan the point I'm trying to make is that no matter how aggresive Gooden or anyone else around Duncan plays, nothing is going to be more worrisome to an opposing defense than Tim Duncan with the basketball, in the paint being guarded by a single defender. That double team is still going to be there. Can Gooden help make teams pay a steeper price for doubling? Sure. Can Gooden still help make Duncan's job easier even without significantly reducing the number of double teams Duncan faces? Sure. But I think it's incorrect to assume that Gooden's presence is going to make opposing teams radically adjust how they defend Tim Duncan.

We'll have to see how Pop intends to use Gooden but IMO the main benefit of having Gooden on the team comes when Duncan isn't even in the game. Let Gooden use is aggresiveness to be the front court scoring threat when Duncan is getting his rest. That's something the Spurs definitely do not have now.

[LockBeard]

Please make a haircut mandatory in order for this guy to play.

This was a good sign. Good Job Spurs.

[stxspurs]

Spurs come out the winner...between

Cleveland Cavs & Joe Smith @ 6.6 ppg / 4.5 rpg

Boston Celtics & Mikki Moore @ 3.5 ppg / 3.2 rpg

SA Spurs & Drew Gooden @ 13.1 ppg / 8.7 rpg (Better than both the other 2 combined)

Once again Pop & RC do their thing.

yeah it doesnt matter if he is injured and cant play...am i the only one that thinks that this isnt gonna work?(if sports hernia) every thing ive read is that he needs surgury.....if he cant play we paid for a name on the bench

[Old School 44]

Great pick up! I'd waive Vaughn and then immediately rehire him as an assistant coach. I like Pops long term potential, so I hope they don't waive him.

[mVp]

mmm good signing I guess... let's see what happens!

[polandprzem]

Gooden has more skills and talent than both Kurt and Oberto

I'm not agree with that.

But if you can make a case that he is, it really does not matter right now in situation like this.

[Mavs<Spurs]

And are you really this fucking stupid? They average almost an identical PPS...the difference between them is that Gooden takes more shots...he's not going to now, he's going to take a lot less.

Bonner shoots at a much higher PCT..if he took the same number of shots Gooden did...he'd score more points than Gooden does.

He is not going to put up 13 and 8 for the Spurs...fools.

Listen idiot, you're talking to a ph.d. student in math.

And 4 rebounds for a center is unacceptable. Bonner is not a legitimate big.

Bonner is so slow and unathletic, he can't defend a second big. He is not a center. And he has exactly one talent: shooting a 3 -- which disappears.


You're the moron here, so you really shouldn't start iq debates.

Speak to the issue. If you think an idea is dumb, say that.

Because you'll find I a lot smarter than you if you start talking about iq.

:nope

[SenorSpur]

Great pick up! I'd waive Vaughn and then immediately rehire him as an assistant coach. I like Pops long term potential, so I hope they don't waive him.

I would agree. In terms of keeping a player who production arrow is pointing up, rather than pointing down, I'd encourage the same. Waive Vaughn, keep Pops and send him back down to D-League. So long as he retains a roster spot, the Spurs can keep him in their system.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Yeh biatches

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1599/goodensavior.th.jpg

[Spursmania]

Do you remember David Robinson's last season? Do you think having him on the floor took some of the heat off of Tim? Let me make it easier... who would you rather have on the floor with Tim: Robinson in his last season, or Rasho Nesterovic the following season?

When you compare D-Rob's 02-03 numbers to Rasho's 03-04 numbers, on a per-36 minute basis, they are really very similar. David averaged 11.7 points, 10.9 rbs, 2.4 blocks, and shot .469. Rasho averaged 10.9 points, 9.7 rbs, 2.5 blocks, and shot .469. And remember, that is adjusted to a per-36 basis, so it's not a matter of who played more minutes. Both were 7-footers, and both played the 5.

Based on that, it doesn't look like David was any more of a threat in 02-03 than Rasho was in 03-04. There was obviously a big difference between the two on the offensive end. But "knowing" it is one thing, and measuring it is another. I'm saying that one indicator is free throw attempts. David averaged 4.6 FTA/36, compared to 1.7 FTA/36 for Rasho. (And please don't try to blame it on touches. Rasho took 10.7 FGA, compared to 9.0 FGA for Robinson.) They put Robinson on the line more, because they had to. So which one of those guys do you think took more heat off of Tim?

Go do a search on FGA's for NBA centers. Look closely at the players at the top, middle, and bottom of the list. The differences will be obvious. I'll give you one good example: Dwight Howard averages 20.9 ppg, while Zach Randolph averages 21.8 ppg. Which one of those guys is more worrisome for opposing defenses? You can get a pretty good clue from the fact that Howard gets 10.7 FTA/36 vs. 4.8 FTA/36 for Randolph. Dwight Howard doesn't dominate a game because of a few more free throw attempts. He gets the free throw attempts because he can dominate a game. The FTA's are a symptom.

Gooden "only" gets about 3.8 FTA/36 minutes. Not up there with the big boys, but a hell of a lot better than the 1.2-1.8 that all of our other bigs since David have gotten. And it's enough to make a difference to Tim. I've watched this stat for a long time, and I'm telling you... the difference between a guy that gets 1.2 FTA in the low post and a guy that gets 3.8 FTA is huge in terms of how much attention the opposing defenses have to pay to them.

Thank you for a dam good post. It gets old hearing fans bitch without giving the guy a chance or comparing Gooden to a d-league player like Pops.

[GSH]

no matter how aggresive Gooden or anyone else around Duncan plays...

We'll have to see how Pop intends to use Gooden


About the first, we'll just have to disagree. If the absence of David Robinson made it possible for teams to defend Tim more aggressively (and it did) then the opposite would also be true. Gooden couldn't hold David's jockstrap, in his prime. But he's similar enough to David in that final season. And that was still formidable.

About the second, you are right. If Gooden refuses to defend, he'll be on the bench thinking about his next haircut. And even if he works on the defensive end, he may not see much floor time with Duncan.

One thing I don't think anyone will argue with. An additional 3-4 boards per game, and an additional 4-5 points per game in the paint would change the nature of this team. (Remember that every additional defensive rebound is one less offensive board for our opponents. That makes for fewer easy second-chance points for the other teams.) If he's not too big of a liability on defense, it would make our average margin of victory one of the best in the league again.

The main thing is he is capable of adding net points, rather than just taking points that somebody else would have gotten.


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[Marcus Bryant]

Radoslav was a bitch in the paint. The FTA stats bear that out. It's amusing that DRob was regarded as some kind of weak player considering the abuse he took in the paint and dished out night in and night out. Not to mention the back problems caused by being 7'1" tall and having a size 30 waist.

The Spurs lost in the 2004 playoffs due in no small part to facing the most physical frontcourt the Spurs have ever faced with Radosoft starting at the 5. You want guys who will compete in the paint. I think Oberto does, he's just that physically limited.

This is still a bigman's game, no matter how much Stern and his broadcast "partners" seek to change it.

[Duncan74]

This should be interesting!

[Obstructed_View]

Because you'll find I a lot smarter than you if you start talking about iq.

That is fucking sigworthy. :lmao

[peskypesky]

Can Gooden help make teams pay a steeper price for doubling?

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[DaBears]

If anyone gets wavied not that i would hope someone but i think Vaughn should be the one. Give him r ole on the bench as a Coach or something.

[completely deck]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1447/342009120608pm.jpg

A whole bunch of either happy Spurs fans or scared Lakers fans. :toast

[HarlemHeat37]

I find it hard to believe that Jacque would get waived..Pop isn't going into the playoffs without a plan at PG, incase George can't handle it..

I love the signing..I'm not a big Gooden fan or anything, but we're getting him for nothing..he's our only non-Duncan big that can consistently create his own shot and get to the line..his D is a concern, but I can't picture him being worse than Bonner defensivley in this system..he's also a good rebounder..

this is just a great addition..

[GSH]

Radoslav was a bitch in the paint. The FTA stats bear that out. It's amusing that DRob was regarded as some kind of weak player considering the abuse he took in the paint and dished out night in and night out. Not to mention the back problems caused by being 7'1" tall and having a size 30 waist.

The Spurs lost in the 2004 playoffs due in no small part to facing the most physical frontcourt the Spurs have ever faced with Radosoft starting at the 5. You want guys who will compete in the paint. I think Oberto does, he's just that physically limited.

This is still a bigman's game, no matter how much Stern and his broadcast "partners" seek to change it.


I knew you and I couldn't disagree forever. You're damned right about Fab. A little more foot speed, a little more vertical, and he would get a lot more credit. He's hard-nosed in the paint, and he works his ass off. He also does a lot of the "little things" like setting good solid picks, and sealing for other guys to shoot and drive. He doesn't get a fair shake from a lot of fans. It's still true that he's at too much of a disadvantage to some of the young, athletic bigs in the league. But Fab will definitely leave some paint on their bumpers.

Kurt Thomas is a tough sonofabitch too. He's a lot stronger (by far) than most fans give him credit for, and he fights in the paint. He also has a great basketball IQ, and works on setting picks, etc. If only he was 4-5 years younger.

And you're right about it being a big man's game, too. You take Z and/or Varejao off the Cavs, and see if LeBron can make them a title contender by himself. Remember what Kobe's Lakers looked like without Shaq or Gasol. Orlando would be poop without Dwight Howard. Okur, Boozer, and Millsap all average over 5 FTA/36 for Utah. Everybody knows what Garnett did for the Celtics, but people are just noticing how disruptive Leon Powe is for them. It's no coincidence that he averages over 8 FTA/36.

On the other side, Atlanta and Denver are good but not serious title contenders. Why? Josh Smith gets to the line over 5 times per 36 minutes, but Horford only gets about 3 FTA/36. Same for Denver: Nene gets about 5 FTA/36 (down from almost 6 before the cancer), but K-Mart only gets a little over 3 FTA/36.

Teams don't win championships without bigs who give it hell in the paint. If the Bulls didn't have Horace Grant or Tony Kukoc, Jordan would be a couple of rings lighter. Hell, if you replace Bill Cartwright or Luc Longley with Rasho, Jordan would probably be a couple of rings lighter. Rasho was the weak link in the 04 playoffs, just like you said. But if the Spurs had a serviceable big in 06, they almost certainly would have won a title that year, too.

I still say that the two best measures of a guy who gives it hell in the paint are RBs and FTA/36. Gooden is an upgrade for us in both of those areas, but most especially the FTA's. And his numbers have been consistent for 6 1/2 years. There's no reason to believe that he can't produce here, as long as he is healthy. And don't forget, he's in a contract year... he's motivated. I'm not one of the people bashing Oberto or Thomas. But a net of +3 ppg (allowing for some fall-off on defense) could be enough to tip a playoff series our way.

[HarlemHeat37]

..and LOL @ anybody saying Gooden playing big minutes is bad for us..he averaged 28 MPG and started every game for a team that made the finals in '07..

[HarlemHeat37]

GSH is bringing up some good points, good poster..the fact that Gooden is in a contract year is also a big factor as well..

[Illusionarist]

Just wanted to ask. Any idea when exactly we should expect Gooden signed? And should we expect him signed? Just want to know because i can't wait:)

[sa_butta]

Can't wait to see him get signed or see him play. I really don't think we will see him playing too much until playoff time. Did he even play a game for the Kings??

[Marcus Bryant]

You don't ask when Gooden will sign. Gooden will tell you.

[Illusionarist]

I am just asking ideas or if you know something more specific.

[Flux451]

you make lemonade popsicles!!!

Gooden was an awesome pick up. TIred of spoiled haters putting him down. I can't wait to see this guy next to DUncan.

Do you think this makes an actual contender with the #1 team?

[urunobili]

was another thread necessary for a question that can be done in any of the threads out there?

[duncan228]

Just wanted to ask. Any idea when exactly we should expect Gooden signed? And should we expect him signed? Just want to know because i can't wait:)

The latest 'official' thing I've seen is from Mike Monroe, last night.


The Spurs have reached an agreement with free agent power forward Drew Gooden that will add the 6-foot-10 veteran to the team's roster by the end of the week.


Gooden can't officially sign with the Spurs until today, when the league verifies he has cleared waivers. Since they have 15 players on their roster, they will first have to create a spot, most likely by waiving Pops Mensah-Bonsu, who signed a 10-day contract last Wednesday.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118666

[sa_butta]

You don't ask when Gooden will sign. Gooden will tell you.
Who would win in a fight Bonner or Gooden??

[Spursmania]

Bonner:lmao:lmao

[Flux451]

was another thread necessary for a question that can be done in any of the threads out there?

when i become a 5000+ posts sage I will know better, until then I will make mistakes, sorry

[whottt]

when i become a 5000+ posts sage I will know better, until then I will make mistakes, sorry

Nice blast...this guy's got potential :tu

[TwinTowers]

I think is a good sign for SA, but their season and championship hopes only depend on Parker/Duncan/Ginobilli's health. In the eventuality that Gooden's injury isn't fully healed by the time the playoffs come, it won't be a big loss since the Spurs didn't give out a lot to get him. They won't even be hit by the luxury tax. If he's healthy, and able to contribute, we'll have an interesting end of the season.

As I Lakers fan I don't need to say who I think will be the champs this season...:lobt:

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Great pick up! I'd waive Vaughn and then immediately rehire him as an assistant coach. I like Pops long term potential, so I hope they don't waive him.

I don't think you realize that waiving a player only frees a roster spot, it does not change the contractual obligations of the club to pay the player, nor does it give any relief on salary cap or luxury tax.

What you are suggesting is like you deciding that you don't like your car, so you go park it in a vacant lot with a sign that says "Take this car if you want it", but you keep making the payments. The only benefit is that you free up a space in your garage that you can use to park the new car you buy.

[Dex]

when i become a 5000+ posts sage I will know better, until then I will make mistakes, sorry

:lmao

[SpursDynasty]

I heard Drew Gooden is going to sign with the Spurs

[raspsa]

Will Gooden's arrival really cause Bonner to lose confidence? I don't thnk so. He's demonstrated remarkable resilience, being able to come back from a string of bad games with solid outings. Bonner now knows what's expected of him and he knows what he's capable of. paraphrasing Pops. like all Spurs he knows to put the team's interest first and I'm sure he realizes that Gooden brings a particular set of skill that complement his own and make the team better.

[alamo50]

Two weeks ago he was diagnosed with a sports hernia and now it's just a groin injury. I hope he'll play to his capacity in silver and black this season!

[mabrignani]

...but when exactly is he supposed to suit up and be available in the linup

[duncan228]

The latest is he cleared waivers and is supposed to be introduced to the media in SA tomorrow. Haven't caught exactly when we'll see him in uniform yet.

[mabrignani]

maaaaan, i cant wait. this is the time of year all of spursnation needs to huddle up and support our spurs on their way to 5 blings

[Rain318]

Not tonite
i think that's what your hinting about

[mabrignani]

Not tonite
i think that's what your hinting about
no idea what that means bro,
to quote shaq," its crunch time baby"

[hater]

talking about Drew Gooden that his experience and knowledge playing under Mike Brown's system, which is modeled after Pop's is gonna help him tons.

I see Gooden progressin in the SPurs and progressing fast

[iilluzioN]

it dosent make him smart when he says Jason Kidd should be a Hall of Famer......

[m33p0]

even a blind man can see that.

[dirk4mvp]

it dosent make him smart when he says Jason Kidd should be a Hall of Famer......

When he said first ballot, it all made sense.

[urunobili]

was another thread needed? :pctoss

Fuck Mark Jackson... couldn't care less what he thinks/says...

[hater]

was another thread needed? :pctoss

Fuck Mark Jackson... couldn't care less what he thinks/says...

damn uru, why u stressing out so much 2nite?

[urunobili]

damn uru, why u stressing out so much 2nite?

we're playing the Mavs 2nite dude... and i am an all time Mark Jackson hater... he fucking hates the Spurs and SPECIALLY Manu Ginobili... then you open a thread to honor one of his comments???... sorry but that just pissed me off a lil too much... :bang:bang:bang

[hater]

we're playing the Mavs 2nite dude... and i am an all time Mark Jackson hater... he fucking hates the Spurs and SPECIALLY Manu Ginobili... then you open a thread to honor one of his comments???... sorry but that just pissed me off a lil too much... :bang:bang:bang

:lol

my bad dude. I did not know u feel so strongly about Marc Jackson.

[Tully365]

Yeah I hate to break it to you but Drew Gooden only averages 4 more boards than Bonner per 48...that's one more board per quarter...

I don't suppose any of you Einstein's have noticed that Gooden gets more minutes than Bonner does...

Gooden is averaging 14.2 rebounds per 48 minutes this year so far. Bonner's average is 9.8 reounds per 48.

Tim Duncan's Reb per 48 is 14.6, just a bit higher than Gooden's average. Oberto's average in that category is 9.9, just a bit higher than Bonner's. Would you also argue that Duncan is not a significantly better rebounder than Oberto? After all, the differential between Duncan & Oberto is 4.7 rebounds per 48 minutes, and between Gooden & Bonner 4.4... almost identical.