Gooden commits to signing with Spurs

[DannyT]

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AqwhX2LnI_9PcYIreRzdOws5nYcB?slug=aw-goodenspurs030309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns



Forward Drew Gooden has committed to sign with the San Antonio Spurs after he clears waivers on Wednesday morning, two league executives said Tuesday evening.

Gooden was released by the Sacramento Kings late Sunday, making him eligible to play for another team during the playoffs. The Spurs expect to sign Gooden for about $1.5 million, the remainder of their midlevel exception. The contract keeps the team below the NBA’s luxury-tax threshold.

Gooden’s imminent signing comes also comes as the Cleveland Cavaliers have reached agreement with forward Joe Smith, an Eastern Conference executive said.

Gooden averaged 13.1 points and 8.6 rebounds in 31 games with the Chicago Bulls before he was traded to the Kings on Feb. 18. The Kings reached a buyout agreement with Gooden which saved the franchise about $1.8 million.

Gooden has recently battled a groin injury, but the Spurs are comfortable with giving him as much time as needed to heal in hopes he’ll be ready for the playoffs. Spurs officials, who have looked for frontcourt help and tried to trade for Los Angeles Clippers Center Marcus Camby, envision Gooden as a backup to Matt Bonner.

[myhc]

:flag::flag::flag::flag:

[Banzai]

cool.

[SpursFan0728]

nice we got him

[DPG21920]

Well here is his chance to show what he has. We will see how this plays out.

[DannyT]

Wonder how much time he will really need to get healthy...I wanna see this cat play.

[Mavs<Spurs]

excellent.

See if his injury limits his minutes and if Pop will do something dumb and make him a backup to Matt Bonner, our starting center, for the foreseeable future.


????:wow:nope

As soon as possible, he needs to start and Bonner needs to come off the bench.

We have no shot at winning a championship with Bonner as our starting center or as our starting power forward. none at all. zero chance.

[lefty]

Woohoo

I've been waiting for that all day

He better be healthy or I'll kick his ass

[crc21209]

Gooden should be good to go. He played last Wednesday the 25th with the Kings against the Bobcats and logged in 26 mins scoring 12 points on 5-9 shooting and pulling down 13 rebounds. Bring him on! He will surely help this team with some low-post scoring and rebounding.

[Summers]

He better be healthy or I'll kick his ass

You'll give him something to cry about??

[benefactor]

Whottt predicts doom in 3....2....1...

[DannyT]

did we have to drop someone? maybe pops? or did we have a free spot

[L.I.T]

And here we go.

Backup to Matt Bonner? Sounds like he'll be taking Oberto's and KT's center minutes?

[lefty]

You'll give him something to cry about??

I'll just ask KT to look him in the eyes

[crc21209]

So a big-man rotation of TD, Bonner, Thomas, Gooden, and Oberto. Not bad, not bad at all. Better than the rotation of TD, Thomas, Oberto, and Horry's corpse from last yrs playoffs.

[Summers]

did we have to drop someone? maybe pops? or did we have a free spot

I think he's takign the last roster spot.


I'll just ask KT to look him in the eyes

:lol

[lefty]

Can we get rid of Oberto to make room for Pops?

[crc21209]

Spurs now have another big man who can score in the low-post and defend. The Spurs have different combos they can go with on the front-line now. I'm excited to see this pan out. You can put Gooden with TD out there for 2 low-post scorers, or you can put TD with Bonner or Gooden with Thomas or Bonner. Alotta things to think about here.

[lefty]

Spork Killer in 3....2....1.....

[Russ]

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_ylt=AqwhX2LnI_9PcYIreRzdOws5nYcB?slug=aw-goodenspurs030309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Spurs officials, who have looked for frontcourt help and tried to trade for Los Angeles Clippers Center Marcus Camby, envision Gooden as a backup to Matt Bonner.

Like Lou Gehrig was a backup to Wally Pipp. :toast

[Bruno]

Nice. :tu
If Gooden is healthy, I think he will significantly help Spurs.

[lefty]

Spurs now have another big man who can score in the low-post and defend. The Spurs have different combos they can go with on the front-line now. I'm excited to see this pan out. You can put Gooden with TD out there for 2 low-post scorers, or you can put TD with Bonner or Gooden with Thomas or Bonner. Alotta things to think about here.

More combos, I like that

[Brazil]

At least something happened ! now the question who is gonna be waived ? hairston ? pops ? udoka ?

[Galileo]

This is huge! Looking at the stats, there are only about 15 or 16 big men in the NBA who average 13 and 8.7, now we have two of them.

This should put us over the top for # 5!!!!!

[Biggems]

I think he's takign the last roster spot.



:lol

I thought Pops took the last roster spot

C - Bonner, Oberto, Thomas
PF - Duncan, Ian, Pops
SF - Finley, Bowen, Udoka
SG - Mason, Manu, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, Vaughn

So someone had to go to get Gooden......I guess it was Pops since he was on a 10 day contract.

I just hope no one gets Pops and we can get a look at him during next year's training camp.

[manufor3]

yes!

[crc21209]

Nice. :tu
If Gooden is healthy, I think he will significantly help Spurs.


Like I said, I think he should be fine and good to go. Seeing as how he played 26 minutes last Wednesday scoring 12 points on 5-9 shooting and pulling down 13 boards.

[Yorae]

Gooden? Good then?

[DannyT]

Whottt predicts doom in 3....2....1...

should we restart the count?

[crc21209]

At least something happened ! now the question who is gonna be waived ? hairston ? pops ? udoka ?



I would hope that Vaughn or Udoka would be one of the one's to go, but I think its going to be Pops, since Vaughn and Udoka are both under contract, and Pops was only on a 10 day contract. Sucks, but oh well.

[lefty]

should we restart the count?

0.... - 1.....- 2.... -3

[lefty]

Gooden? Good then?

Nice

[Brazil]

I would hope that Vaughn or Udoka would be one of the one's to go, but I think its going to be Pops, since Vaughn and Udoka are both under contract, and Pops was only on a 10 day contract. Sucks, but oh well.

unfortunately it's going to be pops chamberlain russel jordan.

[Spur-Addict]

More combos, I like that

I prefer the pizza flavored kind.

[spurspokesman]

Back up Bonner my ass, Matt needs to find his way to the end of the bench so we can have a starting Center avg more than 4 rebounds a game! Gooden is by far the better player, matt needs to play the Horry role and come off the Bench.

Couldn't agree with you more. Now everybody is happy. All the recent post up here have been painting him as A pure bum. He is far superior to anyone on our frontline not named Duncan. Bring him on. YYYEEESSSS

[completely deck]

The final score was 106-78, and Drew Gooden wasn't even around. Maybe he'll never be. But it's understandable for 15 million Lakers fans to shiver for a day or so, just in case.


Well, well, well.

[gmanrulz]

Like I said, I think he should be fine and good to go. Seeing as how he played 26 minutes last Wednesday scoring 12 points on 5-9 shooting and pulling down 13 boards.

But after that he didnt play becuase the injury wouldnt go away. They are saying it might be a sports hernia. I dont tihnk spurs are going to play him for a little while.

[Austin_Toros]

Pops will probably go now... But I hope not!

[Brazil]

Yes a new player ready to go in pop doghouse after 2 or 3 bad defense transitions.

[Dex]

:elephant

Now I'll be happy about it.

It's hard to say he is the savior or anything, but if you had told me at the start of the season that we'd be ending with Drew Gooden, I'd have been perfectly happy with it. He's scrappy, he's a rebounder, he's a post presence, and he's got something to prove. I always thought he played well in Cleveland, and hasn't really fit into a system since.

If he can pay attention, play passable defense, and fit in with the Spurs, this could end up being a great move.

Hell, it's nice just to see a FA move work out for the Spurs for once.

And thank God he got rid of that 'stache. :lol

[crc21209]

But after that he didnt play becuase the injury wouldnt go away. They are saying it might be a sports hernia. I dont tihnk spurs are going to play him for a little while.


I don't think thats the reason he didnt play. I think they just didnt play him because they were going to buy him out anyway, so why play him? I mean after Wednesday the Kings played Friday and Saturday, and Sunday he was released. So he just didnt play because he was going to be bought out.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Lol @ having to backup Matt Bonner.

[Yorae]

Woohooo! A new player to hate when he sucks!!!! A new hate thread maker!!!!

[crc21209]

And I'm sure the Spurs have also spoken to him and his agent on the status of his injury, so he should be fine.

[Creation88]

awesome. i hope he gets healthy quickly.

[Dex]

If playing for Pop, Tim, and a chance for a ring aren't enough to make this guy fly right, then nothing will.

Either way....I'm going old sko0l with it.

Gooden > Oberto > Rasho > Nazr > Elson

The jury is still out on where Bonner fits in here. How does one calculate a center leading the league in 3s?

[Spooky]

Nice

[lefty]

Lol @ having to backup Matt Bonner.

:lol

[Brutalis]

Huge addition. Hopefully for the playoffs it pays off.

[benefactor]

should we restart the count?
No need. He has predicted it already on a couple of threads. Everything from his rebounding not being as good to him managing to completely sabotage Matt Bonner.

[Brutalis]

:elephant

Now I'll be happy about it.

It's hard to say he is the savior or anything, but if you had told me at the start of the season that we'd be ending with Drew Gooden, I'd have been perfectly happy with it. He's scrappy, he's a rebounder, he's a post presence, and he's got something to prove. I always thought he played well in Cleveland, and hasn't really fit into a system since.

If he can pay attention, play passable defense, and fit in with the Spurs, this could end up being a great move.

Hell, it's nice just to see a FA move work out for the Spurs for once.

And thank God he got rid of that 'stache. :lol

Agreed :tu

[Nevadaspur]

:elephant

Now I'll be happy about it.

If he can pay attention, play passable defense, and fit in with the Spurs, this could end up being a great move.




He has shown a tendency to lack concentration on the defensive end at times. Hope the coaches and players can convince him to perform on defense as he has also shown he is capable of doing.

[crc21209]

With TD, Pop, and this Spurs defensive system, Gooden will be just fine. If the Spurs can win a title with Francisco Elson, they can win one with Gooden.

[beirmeistr]

Great addition, Spurs.

[mavsfan1000]

I should feel bad but Mavs are already fucked. Might as well root for the Spurs. Not sure Gooden is enough but it will definitely help.

[angelbelow]

wow, what an interesting turn of events since we lost to the lakers. the whole time we wanted a reliable big man and now we finally got one. sweet.

[Spursfan092120]

Finally. I for one, am glad. This can't do anything but help us. We get him for cheap, and even though others could offer more, he came here. I think he understands he can get a ring here, and he very well could be the missing piece. I could be wrong, but I think this was a great move by the FO. Kudos guys.

:flag::flag:

[Mr. Body]

Pretty stunned at the turn of events. He may wind up not helping at all, but at this price (nothing), it's a no-brainer. Kudos.

[crc21209]

TD, Gooden, Thomas, Bonner, Thomas of this year > TD, Thomas, Oberto, Horry of last yr.

[johnnyblues]

Bye bye Pops. Nice knowing you. :hat

[Spursdaone]

It won't make much of a difference. We all know the lakers and celtics are better teams. We will just hang around mediocrity. We need to trade Duncan for Garnett so we have a real leader.

[Spursmania]

I don't think thats the reason he didnt play. I think they just didnt play him because they were going to buy him out anyway, so why play him? I mean after Wednesday the Kings played Friday and Saturday, and Sunday he was released. So he just didnt play because he was going to be bought out.

He didn't finish the game because he reaggravated the groin injury he had and had to leave in the 4th quarter. It's a nagging injury that has not gone away. I was so excited to have him now! But 2 reports state its a sport hernia that may require surgery.
We'll find out tomorrow the extent of any injuries he supposedly has. Let's cross our fingers he'll be ready to play and does not need surgery.
If you google him, you'll run into a couple of articles that discuss this.
:wakeup

[xtremesteven33]

No more offensive droughts please.....

[Spursfan092120]

It won't make much of a difference. We all know the lakers and celtics are better teams. We will just hang around mediocrity. We need to trade Duncan for Garnett so we have a real leader.
Your "worst poster of all time" quote below your avatar doesn't even begin to describe you. Duncan owns Garnett...

[Spursfan092120]

No more offensive droughts please.....
no shit..damn..lol

[Brazil]

It won't make much of a difference. We all know the lakers and celtics are better teams. We will just hang around mediocrity. We need to trade Duncan for Garnett so we have a real leader.

Worst Poster of All-Time :lmao

[Dex]

Your "worst poster of all time" quote below your avatar doesn't even begin to describe you. Duncan owns Garnett...

You're better off brushing your teeth with a chain saw than trying to convince Spursdaone that his takes are lame.

[Yorae]

It won't make much of a difference. We all know the lakers and celtics are better teams. We will just hang around mediocrity. We need to trade Duncan for Garnett so we have a real leader.

You are a SporkKiller.

[benefactor]

It won't make much of a difference. We all know the lakers and celtics are better teams. We will just hang around mediocrity. We need to trade Duncan for Garnett so we have a real leader.
I just laughed and threw up in mouth all at once...

[Rain318]

Lets hope he can help the team
Go spurs

[Manufan909]

Ok, I've heard he is an interior presence, and also that he's crap on D. Is he at least a shot blocker?

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

As long as Gooden doesn't still have that thing he had growing on the back of his neck, during the Cavs Spurs Finals two years ago, I'm happy with this signing to help out Timmy.

[Marcus Bryant]

Gooden has recently battled a groin injury, but the Spurs are comfortable with giving him as much time as needed to heal in hopes he’ll be ready for the playoffs. Spurs officials, who have looked for frontcourt help and tried to trade for Los Angeles Clippers Center Marcus Camby, envision Gooden as a backup to Matt Bonner.

Kinda cryptic.

[angelbelow]

It won't make much of a difference. We all know the lakers and celtics are better teams. We will just hang around mediocrity. We need to trade Duncan for Garnett so we have a real leader.

You're fucking retarded.

[angelbelow]

Ok, I've heard he is an interior presence, and also that he's crap on D. Is he at least a shot blocker?

well his defense sucks. but he will provide a different angle for us. afterall, we cant all have guys that are well arounded. :p:

[EricB]

Kinda cryptic.


Yeah I think Gooden could be out a while.

[crc21209]

Something tells me he was "injured" because he was on that crap Kings team and before on the Bulls. lol. Maybe he will be magically "healed" now.

[024]

good news. hopefully he comes back soon to get acquainted with the spurs' rotations.

[xtremesteven33]

He will be fine.

Hes young and has low mileage on that body.

[boutons_]

I wonder if Pop can teach him defense and rotations in the 6 weeks remaining before the playoffs? How many practices in those 6 weeks?

[xtremesteven33]

Parker
Ginobili
Bowen
Gooden
Duncan


Good to go :tu

[crc21209]

I want Gooden and Manu ready for next Thursday's game against the Fakers.

[EricB]

I wonder if Pop can teach him defense and rotations in the 6 weeks remaining before the playoffs? How many practices in those 6 weeks?


Nazr picked it up enough in 6 weeks in 2005.

Pray that this stooge does.

[MarHill]

Good news for the Spurs!! :toast

Hopefully, he will be able to contribute and help TD on the frontline.

[024]

for playoffs, i like:

parker
ginobili
bowen
thomas
duncan

mason/hill
ginobili/mason
finley/ginobili
gooden/bonner
thomas/oberto

gooden adds another piece for the spurs to mix and match.

[EricB]

Defense??? You could blind fold him and tape his legs and hands together and he would still be a better defender than Bonner! JUST THINK OUR STARTING CENTER ALSO AVGS JUST 4 REBOUNDS!



Ahhh stereotypes and blind assesments. Gotta love em.

[Yorae]

Uh what happened to the old, unathletic, jumpshooting lineup we're trying to make? All our plans wasted? Whaattt????

[Cry Havoc]

Glad to see we got a pretty solid big man for nothing!

[Bender]

so is the gooden plan for just till the end of this season...?

Depending on how he works out, would the spurs want to pay big money on a regular contract for him after this season?

[EricB]

so is the gooden plan for just till the end of this season...?

Depending on how he works out, would the spurs want to pay big money on a regular contract for him after this season?

Doubtfull.

I'd say this is a Glenn Robinson type deal.

[gmanrulz]

Doubtfull.

I'd say this is a Glenn Robinson type deal.

Not neccesarily. Robinson was older and out of the league already when we signed him. Gooden was in high demand and still has a lot left in the tank. If he plays well and helps the team this year i dont see why we wouldnt want to re-sign him.

[jcrod]

I wonder if Pop can teach him defense and rotations in the 6 weeks remaining before the playoffs? How many practices in those 6 weeks?

Don't forget he played for Brown who integrates the same schemes as the Spurs. Should'nt take him long.

[iggypop123]

no bonner thanks. easier to zone off against parker and ginobli. ill take gooden jumpshots all day

[Bender]

what's he normally make for a season... something like 7mil? I was just wondering if, say, he works out great for the spurs, if they would maybe consider resigning him next season, or if they wouldn't want to commit, due to the so-called "2010 plan" whatever that may be...

edit: who's going off the books at the end of this season, on the spurs?

[ducks]

oberto is gone next year

[Marcus Bryant]

Time to get healthy and get the rotation set for the postseason.

[EricB]

not neccesarily. Robinson was older and out of the league already when we signed him. Gooden was in high demand and still has a lot left in the tank. If he plays well and helps the team this year i dont see why we wouldnt want to re-sign him.


2010.

[bigfan]

6'10 and 28 years old. Playoff experience. Can shoot and rebound. Assuming his hernia thing is gone by the playoffs a good deal to me and we are still under the cap. That Blackbeard pirate chin thingy has to go though.

[Bender]

I don't think of pirates when I see him, I think of the Amish...

[gmanrulz]

6'10 and 28 years old. Playoff experience. Can shoot and rebound. Assuming his hernia thing is gone by the playoffs a good deal to me and we are still under the cap. That Blackbeard pirate chin thingy has to go though.

well it is a hernia its not going to go away by itself hes gonna need surgery. thats the worrying part

[MateoNeygro]

I like Gooden and I think he'll help but what is with dude's appearance? He's all crazy and shit

[lefty]

That would be funny if we beat L.A in a few months........

Remember the Gasol...ahem... Jerry West, unfair trade?

And Gooden was drafted by West.....

That could would be sweet

[duncan228]

McDonald chimes in.

Spurs land Gooden for stretch run (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/03/spurs-land-good.html)
By Jeff McDonald

Drew Gooden, traded from Chicago to Sacramento last month, has found another new basketball home — in San Antonio. Gooden, who was bought out in Sacramento on Sunday, is expected to sign with the Spurs sometime after clearing waivers on Wednesday.
A 6-foot-10 power forward who gained NBA Finals experience against the Spurs in 2007 with Cleveland, Gooden will join a Spurs team clinging to a slim lead in the Southwest Division and chasing the Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference.

A number of teams made a run at Gooden after he became a free agent earlier this week, including Dallas and New Orleans, two of the Spurs' Southwest Division rivals. Ostensibly, the Spurs were able to entice him with the $1.5 million left over from their mid-level exception.

Gooden has been hobbled with a bad groin for much of the year, and left his only game with Sacramento with injury last Wednesday. A 7-year NBA veteran, Gooden is averaging 13.1 points and 8.7 rebounds in 32 games this season.

[SpursDynasty]

I think we will all be surprised with just how well Gooden will do as a big man for the Spurs. We're not asking him to be an All-Star or anything like that. We just need him to grab some rebounds and help out in the paint. We don't need 20 and 10, just some help in the paint. Which is what he'll do. Drew Gooden finally has the chance to play with a superstar (Tim Duncan). Drew Gooden has never played with a superstar that makes his team better, so now is his chance to be a decent big man in the league.

[DrHouse]

Gooden is a decent player.

Defensively he's never shown much, but odds are that once he shows up in a Spurs uniform he will rediscover that part of his game. I don't worry too much as an opposing team's fan because he doesn't really add anything to the Spurs that they don't have other than depth. He doesn't give them a frontcourt defender that can do a better job on Bynum/Gasol/Odom than guys like Thomas and Bonner can.

Still can't complain about a free pickup.

[tomtom]

I refrain judgement till I see him play with the Spurs

[Manu-of-steel]

:
well his defense sucks. but he will provide a different angle for us. afterall, we cant all have guys that are well arounded. :p:

:toast. That is so true, that's great value for our money.

[ducks]

Gooden is a decent player.

Defensively he's never shown much, but odds are that once he shows up in a Spurs uniform he will rediscover that part of his game. I don't worry too much as an opposing team's fan because he doesn't really add anything to the Spurs that they don't have other than depth. He doesn't give them a frontcourt defender that can do a better job on Bynum/Gasol/Odom than guys like Thomas and Bonner can.

Still can't complain about a free pickup. yeah because mike brown does not teach d

[katuso]

nice!!
we got him

[ashbeeigh]

fabulous.

Actually...I have no idea. I haven't paid attention to anything recently. I just found out today who Pops was. I thought it was a game we were playing...adding an "S" to Popovich's nickname.

[smrattler]

fabulous.

Actually...I have no idea. I haven't paid attention to anything recently. I just found out today who Pops was. I thought it was a game we were playing...adding an "S" to Popovich's nickname.

Welcome back!

[Kori Ellis]

Can't complain about getting a big man like Gooden on the cheap. No matter how much is D sucks, and how weird it is for a bald guy to wear a ducktail, he can score and rebound. If he ends up being a weirdo or troublemaker, which I doubt, you just let him go.

[ashbeeigh]

Welcome back!

:lol You believed me? j/k Thanks! I was kidding though.

I'm just a cautious ST poster. We'll have to wait and see about this Gooden thing.

The Pops thing...hmmm. I knew who he was. I didn't know anything about him.

[jmard5]

Re: Here's The 2006-2007 Free Agents List


So now you dumbasses who should say we should sign Lebron can really see who we can get(probasketball.about.com):
The Supposed Top 25:
1.Ben Wallace, PF/C, Detroit
2.Jason Terry, PG, Dallas
3.Peja Stojakovic, SF, Indiana (Player option)
4.Al Harrington, PF, Atlanta
5.Mike James, Toronto (Player option)
6.Chris Wilcox, PF, Seattle (Restricted)
7.Nene, PF/C, Denver (Restricted)
8.Drew Gooden, PF, Cleveland (Restricted)
9.Bonzi Wells, SG/SF, Sacramento
10.Matt Harpring, SG/SF, Utah



Drew Gooden can handle the rebounds. He is also a terrific offensive rebounder.


I doubt the Spurs can afford him though.

Just remembered I was very high on Gooden a few years back, 'cause I had him on my fantasy team and he was just this very good in rebounding. :lol

[BlackSwordsMan]

Believe.

[Bartleby]

I'm a bit worried about the hernia. If he had surgery now would he be out for the season or is there a chance he could be ready to play before the playoffs?

[Spursmania]

well it is a hernia its not going to go away by itself hes gonna need surgery. thats the worrying part


Exactly, at first it was just a groin injury and now it's a nagging sport hernia that may require surgery. That takes several weeks to heal, and he's got to play with the team and learn the system. I'm concerned with how much time he'll be out. The general assessment of him is he is not that bright and makes defensive bone head mistakes. So, I want him in the uniform as soon as possible-so he can LEARN. It may take awhile for this guy to get it. Yes, I know he played under Brown who knows the Spurs system, but it's not the exact same system. Glad to have him, but I sure wish he was ready to go!:hat

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.insidesocal.com/fashion/shades_gooden.jpg

[boutons_]

"left his only game with Sacramento with injury last Wednesday"

couldn't play last Wed, groin strains are slow healing, and he's gonna play for the Spurs when??

[coyotes_geek]

One would think that with Pops still having some days left on his 10-day deal and Gooden nursing that hernia that the Spurs might not actually sign Gooden until this weekend. If Gooden isn't going to be able to play for another two weeks or so it might not even be a bad idea to give Pops a second 10-day deal and let Gooden sit on the couch at home with the playbook.

[SenorSpur]

Good move. Despite whatever defensive deficiencies the guy may have, his scoring and rebounding prowess will be greatly welcomed. If he can get anywhere close to his 13 & 7 season averages, that would be an incredible bonus.

Glad he got rid of the Brian Skinner-like goatee, too :lol

[SouthTexasRancher]

Spurs come out the winner...between

Cleveland Cavs & Joe Smith @ 6.6 ppg / 4.5 rpg

Boston Celtics & Mikki Moore @ 3.5 ppg / 3.2 rpg

SA Spurs & Drew Gooden @ 13.1 ppg / 8.7 rpg (Better than both the other 2 combined)

Once again Pop & RC do their thing.

[NRHector]

If this is true I just want to say one thing, ok two, fuk u Phil Jackson and the lakers for trying to screw up the signing of gooden:flag:

[ploto]

All season I would have rather seen Kurt get more minutes and now, I suppose, he gets fewer.

[mingus]

Countless number of guys have come through SA with much less talent than Drew and been great assets and helped the Spurs win a 'chip. I'm excited.

[Spursfan092120]

Good move. Despite whatever defensive deficiencies the guy may have, his scoring and rebounding prowess will be greatly welcomed. If he can get anywhere close to his 13 & 7 season averages, that would be an incredible bonus.

Glad he got rid of the Brian Skinner-like goatee, too :lol
Ah..a Brian Skinner reference..I love it. Went to a college camp with the guy..great dude...great player for Baylor.

[daslicer]

Yeah he's not a great defender but I don't think he can be any worse then Bonner. I will be happy if he can continue to get 8-10 rebounds thats really waht the spurs need which is another rebounder to help Tim on the boards. If he can do that it will help drastically.

[mingus]

Good move. Despite whatever defensive deficiencies the guy may have, his scoring and rebounding prowess will be greatly welcomed. If he can get anywhere close to his 13 & 7 season averages, that would be an incredible bonus.

Glad he got rid of the Brian Skinner-like goatee, too :lol

I've got a feeling Pop will squeeze as much, or close to as much, defensive ability he has in him.

[Spursfan092120]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/08Nz0tE44fajh/340x.jpg
No..I will NOT sign with you.

[ducks]

gooden d is not going to improve unless he makes his man go toward mr duncan

[Marcus Bryant]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05Zf1KU7qy13S/340x.jpg

[Mr Bones]

Great pick-up. Gooden has gotten a negative rep over the years for missing defensive rotations to go along with the positive rep for rebounding and playing hard, but overall his character seems to be good. If he becomes a 10/5 or even 8/4 guy to complement Duncan's 20/10, it will be huge. He draws fouls at a better clip than any Spur big man outside of Duncan. His FT% is excellent. His weaknesses seem to be defense and FG%, both of which should improve playing next to Duncan.

[NRHector]

Somewhere Timmy is saying "finally I can get some rest". The poor guy is been carrying the team on his shoulders all season long with rebounds and defense, some might disagreed but that's my personal opinion. :flag:

[timvp]

I have that same feeling of when the Spurs signed Finley. Don't particularly like what the player brings to the table but the cheapness of his contract makes the signing a no-brainer.

We'll see. Hopefully Gooden far exceeds my expectations.

Right now I think he'll cause Pop headaches and then end up on the outside of the playoff rotation looking in. The sliver of hope I'm holding on to is the fact that Nazr is a similar player and Pop made it work for a couple of months before the warts became too obvious. That same fluke type stretch would be fantastic once again . . .

[lefty]

I have that same feeling of when the Spurs signed Finley. Don't particularly like what the player brings to the table but the cheapness of his contract makes the signing a no-brainer.

We'll see. Hopefully Gooden far exceeds my expectations.

IMO, Gooden brings more than Finley's on and off jump shooting

[Russ]

This is the first time I've felt really good as a Spurs fan since we got the bad news about Splitter. :hat

[GSH]

His points and rebounds will be a welcome addition. But the best part is that he gets to the line. He averages about 5 FTA per 48 minutes. (One of my favorite stats.) We haven't had a big who got more than about 2 FTA/48, since David Robinson. That has left our opponents free to collapse on Tim.

If Gooden can command enough respect under the basket that teams have to foul him, it will open things up for Tim. If they keep pounding Tim, Gooden can finish hard at the rim. If Gooden is healthy enough to play his usual game, he will be a huge addition on the offensive end. Hopefully he will be able to handle the defensive rotations well enough for Pop to give him minutes.

[superbigtime]

Woohooo! A new player to hate when he sucks!!!! A new hate thread maker!!!!

lol

[Mr Bones]

A second team of Hill, Manu, Bowen, Gooden, and Thomas would probably be the best the Spurs have had in quite a long time.

[lefty]

a second team of hill, manu, bowen, gooden, and thomas would probably be the best the spurs have had in quite a long time.

2003

[superbigtime]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05Zf1KU7qy13S/340x.jpg

Nice !

[Das Texan]

0 risk signing.


I like it. If Gooden plays like he is capable of playing, our biggest weakness is no longer that. So thats good.

If Gooden acts like a total dick, then he just wont play and/or gets cut, so fuck him.

I'm on board.

[timvp]

But the best part is that he gets to the line. He averages about 5 FTA per 48 minutes. (One of my favorite stats.) We haven't had a big who got more than about 2 FTA/48, since David Robinson. That has left our opponents free to collapse on Tim. Nazr averaged about 6.5 in 2005. Even in his bad year in 2006, he was right around what Gooden's rate is this season.

But yeah, outside of Duncan, Manu, Parker and Hill, it's good to have someone else who is capable of getting to the line.

[Russ]

If he ends up being a weirdo or troublemaker, which I doubt, you just let him go.

I don't think he will.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/drew_award_070413.html

And . . .


As a professional, Gooden has established himself as a solid power forward, consistently bringing down double digit numbers in points and rebounds. He is also considered a good guy on and off the court, named one of the "Good Guys in Sports" by The Sporting News.

http://www.athletepromotions.com/athletes/Drew-Gooden-appearance-booking-agent.php

[Mr Bones]

His points and rebounds will be a welcome addition. But the best part is that he gets to the line. He averages about 5 FTA per 48 minutes. (One of my favorite stats.) We haven't had a big who got more than about 2 FTA/48, since David Robinson. That has left our opponents free to collapse on Tim.

If Gooden can command enough respect under the basket that teams have to foul him, it will open things up for Tim. If they keep pounding Tim, Gooden can finish hard at the rim. If Gooden is healthy enough to play his usual game, he will be a huge addition on the offensive end. Hopefully he will be able to handle the defensive rotations well enough for Pop to give him minutes.

I agree. If Gooden is able to draw two fouls in the first half of a playoff game on a David West/Amare/Dirk/Pau type of player, it would be a huge contribution.

[Capt Bringdown]

Yes a new player ready to go in pop doghouse after 2 or 3 bad defense transitions.

Good one. I see more small ball in our future.

[lefty]

Iw24MqqXgAs

[timvp]

I don't think he will.

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/drew_award_070413.html

And . . .



http://www.athletepromotions.com/athletes/Drew-Gooden-appearance-booking-agent.phpNot to discount his work in the community but the NBA requires it to some degree and the Cavs require it at a Spurs-like level. Plus part of that award was due to being a good guy to the media. That won't go over too well with Pop :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

There are a couple of ways to project how this plays out. I think he'll improve the team on the glass, but I think he's going to benefit the offense as well.

Adding him and a healthy Manu might just be enough.

[superbigtime]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3334/3259260549_0ff5c4e824_o.jpg
What a shame he got rid of it. It looked so...nice.

[SouthTexasRancher]

oberto is gone next year

As will be Vaughn, Udoka, Finley, Thomas, either via trade, retirement or bought out. Pop won't carry those 5 into next season and will instead be bringing along some of the new/younger guys plus a free agent or two. And that will put us in line for our 6th NBA Championship trophy the following year...2011.

[FvckMavs]

Is he fast enough to stay in front of fast big such as Odom, Dirk or West?

[whottt]

Iw24MqqXgAs

Impressive...I don't believe I've ever seen anyone dunk on Yao before.

Nice find :tu

[Mavs<Spurs]

There are a couple of ways to project how this plays out. I think he'll improve the team on the glass, but I think he's going to benefit the offense as well.

Adding him and a healthy Manu might just be enough.

I agree.

But he needs to start.

No more of this joke about Matt Bonner remaining our starting center and having Drew Gooden be his back up.

:toast

[Yorae]

Impressive...I don't believe I've ever seen anyone dunk on Yao before.

Nice find :tu

You forgot the manu steal and dunk!

[Tully365]

Gooden is known for being a little wacky (haircuts, beard, etc.), but I've never read anything about him being a troublemaker or a locker room nuisance. One very good sign IMO is the simple fact that he chose the no-nonsense Spurs over a handful of other playoff-bound teams. Maybe he feels he'll get more minutes, but still, the decision to play for drill sergeant Pop rather than some other coaches at least seems to indicate a seriousness on his part that appears to me to be a big positive.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Is he fast enough to stay in front of fast big such as Odom, Dirk or West?

Is he faster than Matt Bonner?

:lmao

[Russ]

Plus part of that award was due to being a good guy to the media. That won't go over too well with Pop :lol

Pop may not like the media, but he likes players who get along with the media.

He doesn't want any competition. :)

[lefty]

Impressive...I don't believe I've ever seen anyone dunk on Yao before.

Nice find :tu

Seriously?

Manu
Tmac
Timmy

Ok, the list could be too long

[coyotes_geek]

As will be Vaughn, Udoka, Finley, Thomas, either via trade, retirement or bought out. Pop won't carry those 5 into next season and will instead be bringing along some of the new/younger guys plus a free agent or two. And that will put us in line for our 6th NBA Championship trophy the following year...2011.

You're kidding yourself if you think all 5 of those guys will be gone.

[Mavs<Spurs]

You forgot the manu steal and dunk!

whott was being sarcastic.

just thought you ought to know.

[whottt]

You forgot the manu steal and dunk!

Damn I forgot about that..ok so other than Manu and Gooden, I don't believe I've ever seen anyone dunk on Yao.

Still impressive :tu

[lefty]

Damn I forgot about that..ok so other Manu and Gooden, I don't believe I've ever seen anyone dunk on Yao.

:lol

Timmy
Tmac
Kobe
Snaq
Sequ

[Manufan909]

His points and rebounds will be a welcome addition. But the best part is that he gets to the line. He averages about 5 FTA per 48 minutes. (One of my favorite stats.) We haven't had a big who got more than about 2 FTA/48, since David Robinson. That has left our opponents free to collapse on Tim.

If Gooden can command enough respect under the basket that teams have to foul him, it will open things up for Tim. If they keep pounding Tim, Gooden can finish hard at the rim. If Gooden is healthy enough to play his usual game, he will be a huge addition on the offensive end. Hopefully he will be able to handle the defensive rotations well enough for Pop to give him minutes.

+ 1 billion

By far the best post of this thread. With Gooden on, Tim can't be doubled, and he also won't have to worry as much about boards. I didn't even think of this angle, which is odd, cuz I brought it up when advocating Chandler.

What does Drew's post arsenal consist of? Hook shots, up and unders, does he like to go glass, does he look to dunk most of the time? Fuck, I wish I had followed him more.

[whottt]

:lol

Timmy
Tmac
Kobe
Snaq
Sequ

Ok other than Timmy, TMac, Kobe, Snaq, Manu, Gooden and every midget in the league I don't believe I've seen anyone dunk on Yao...still pretty damn impressive.

[Mavs<Spurs]

+ 1 billion

By far the best post of this thread. With Gooden on, Tim can't be doubled, and he also won't have to worry as much about boards. I didn't even think of this angle, which is odd, cuz I brought it up when advocating Chandler.

Exactly how I feel!!!


so I'm definitely part of that + 1 billion !:toast:flag:

[jrmp317]

Impressive...I don't believe I've ever seen anyone dunk on Yao before.

Nice find :tu

:lol I see what you did there

[MaNu4Tres]

Damn I forgot about that..ok so other than Manu and Gooden, I don't believe I've ever seen anyone dunk on Yao.

Still impressive :tu

Hairston got a piece of Yao in the preseason

[Spurs9]

DREW GOODEN HELL YEAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lobt2::lobt2::lob t2:

[superbigtime]

I hope this groin deal isn't too serious. Anyone know why he had so many DNPs earlier in the year?

[BobEX]

Nice to see the Spurs add another big guy who isn't a scrub. If he can help with rebounding (esp with Duncan out) it would be HUGE. Now I just hope the team can get healthy before the playoffs.

[whottt]

Hairston got a piece of Yao in the preseason

Him too? Shit...next thing you guys'll tell me is that Nate Robinson or somebody like that dunked on him.

[Marcus Bryant]

He might just fit in well. I know he has that baseline J down but I'm not sure what it's like out around the FT line extended. Still, having a mobile big like him who can board well, get to the line, and hit jumpers isn't a bad thing to add. Maybe a little two man game with Manu or TP where Gooden rolls to the rim or steps back to the baseline for the jumper.

Hmmm...defense. That will ultimately decide his minutes in SA. He's not the greatest, but he may get enough to keep himself on the court. He will have to get used to the rotations, but some of it should be intuitive, such as funneling opposing drives to the baseline.

In any event, this will probably be a 3.5 month cameo for Gooden in SA. Hopefully it works out for both parties.

[Spurs9]

Now the question is whos the odd man out? Any possibility of keeping Pops on the team??

[whottt]

He might just fit in well. I know he has that baseline J down but I'm not sure what it's like out around the FT line extended. Still, having a mobile big like him who can board well, get to the line, and hit jumpers isn't a bad thing to add. Maybe a little two man game with Manu or TP where Gooden rolls to the rim or steps back to the baseline for the jumper.

Hmmm...defense. That will ultimately decide his minutes in SA. He's not the greatest, but he may get enough to keep himself on the court. He will have to get used to the rotations, but some of it should be intuitive, such as funneling opposing drives to the baseline.

In any event, this will probably be a 3.5 month cameo for Gooden in SA. Hopefully it works out for both parties.

Great point...his J's will help us a lot more than Bonner's do.

[poop]

the injury thing is a major concern.

but also the more bizarre facial/head hair he has the better imo, he should grow out an absolutely disgusting bush on his head and never clean it, people will be less willing to really get up on him defensively

[Yorae]

Him too? Shit...next thing you guys'll tell me is that Nate Robinson or somebody like that dunked on him.

Well he blocked a shot from Yao Ming....much like duncan's block on thorton.

[Marcus Bryant]

Great point...his J's will help us a lot more than Bonner's do.

His rebounding will, that's for certain.

[EricB]

:lol

Whottt, let it go.

[lefty]

Him too? Shit...next thing you guys'll tell me is that Nate Robinson or somebody like that dunked on him.

I dunked on Yao in 2K9

[SouthTexasRancher]

You're kidding yourself if you think all 5 of those guys will be gone.

Which of those 5 will be back and why? Pop & RC know they have to get younger to help Tim, Tony & Manu get more rings. Course there could be certain circumstances that will force Pop & RC to keep one or two....at least until the Feb. trade deadline in 2010.

[timvp]

I think even whottt dunked on Yao once. . . .

[Spursmania]

Him too? Shit...next thing you guys'll tell me is that Nate Robinson or somebody like that dunked on him.

I think Bonner dunked on him too:hat

[024]

The sliver of hope I'm holding on to is the fact that Nazr is a similar player and Pop made it work for a couple of months before the warts became too obvious. That same fluke type stretch would be fantastic once again . . .
nazr performed well in the 2005 playoffs, at least offensively. spurs managed to win a title in 2005 with nazr and again in 2007 with elson. it's an omen. gooden is a sign of things to come.

[coyotes_geek]

His points and rebounds will be a welcome addition. But the best part is that he gets to the line. He averages about 5 FTA per 48 minutes. (One of my favorite stats.) We haven't had a big who got more than about 2 FTA/48, since David Robinson. That has left our opponents free to collapse on Tim.

If Gooden can command enough respect under the basket that teams have to foul him, it will open things up for Tim. If they keep pounding Tim, Gooden can finish hard at the rim. If Gooden is healthy enough to play his usual game, he will be a huge addition on the offensive end. Hopefully he will be able to handle the defensive rotations well enough for Pop to give him minutes.

Teams are going to continue to collapse on Duncan no matter how often Gooden gets to the line. He's Tim freaking Duncan. Gooden has the potential to help Tim on the boards, give some front court scoring when Tim is on the bench, and maybe allow Tim to have an easier defensive assignment, but Gooden isn't going to make teams want to start letting Tim go 1 on 1.

[lefty]

I think even whottt dunked on Yao once. . . .

Actually, he's the only human who hasn't been able to dunk on Yao.

His frustration is the reason why he forgets about other Yao-posterizers

[whottt]

http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/tindo-bus-2.jpg

http://foodcourtlunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/matt_bonner-arton20875-240x2401.jpg

[Solid D]

Rock Chalk Buford gets another Jayhawk, if this deal gets done.

He's a skilled Big at a good price...if he doesn't haven't a sports hernia. A sports hernia can sideline even the best of players (see Ian Kinsler last year).

He's a good defensive & offensive rebounder, although Pop's transition D will limit some of the offensive ones. I like his side pick and pop abilities, he's got good range...at least as good as Kurt Thomas has had over the years.

It's up to him to get playing time (Defense).

Judgement Reserved.

[Spurtacus]

Is the report of him having a sports hernia injury confirmed?

[superbigtime]

Now the question is whos the odd man out? Any possibility of keeping Pops on the team??

I sure hope so, but I bet not.. Was just reviewing these goodies from the Cavs game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cueBM8b9WQU I would be happy with either Ime or JV hitting the road before Pops, but they aren't going to buy those guys out. Pops is the most vulnerable because he's just signed to 10 days, so ...

[Mavs<Spurs]

Great point...his J's will help us a lot more than Bonner's do.

Drew Gooden

PPG 13.1
RPG 8.7
APG 1.4
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.4

Matt Bonner

PPG 8.8
RPG 4.9
APG 1.1
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.3


A starting center who averages less than 5 rebounds a game, can't score in the post, can't even average double digit scoring, is completely unathletic, slow, can't jump, isn't even in the right place for rotations and whose sole virtue is that he can hit the 3

vs a consistent starting power forward who would free Tim up in the post as a consistent scoring threat, who is more athletic, nearly averages a double double--


I hope you're joking-- because it is seriously stupid to believe that Matt Bonner is as good a player or a better player than Drew Gooden.


:nope

[024]

every time matt bonner makes a hook shot in the paint, everyone gets excited and giddy. that's how bad bonner's offense in the paint is.

[Mavs<Spurs]

every time matt bonner makes a hook shot in the paint, everyone gets excited and giddy. that's how bad bonner's offense in the paint is.

+1

:lmao

[timvp]

Is the report of him having a sports hernia injury confirmed?Yes.

Doing some research, it looks like the average recovery time for sports hernia surgery is six-to-eight weeks. That means if the Spurs have him go under the knife this week, he'd be out until either the beginning of the playoffs or the start of the second round.

Let's hope he doesn't need surgery. If he does, he'll likely be $1.5 million of dress suits.

[Manufan909]

Why would you expect a big next to Timmy to avg double-digits??? And if Bonner gets the same number of touches next season, I bet he will avg 10.

[EricB]

ahhh its tear down Matt Bonner night I see.

What fantastic fans we have.

[anakha]

If nothing else, I hope this deal pushes through if only to finally put an end to the ridiculous Pops threads that have been sprouting up recently.

[superbigtime]

JV sucks ass.

[EricB]

Yes.

Doing some research, it looks like the average recovery time for sports hernia surgery is six-to-eight weeks. That means if the Spurs have him go under the knife this week, he'd be out until either the beginning of the playoffs or the start of the second round.

Let's hope he doesn't need surgery. If he does, he'll likely be $1.5 million of dress suits.

Wouldn't you say do a test on him to confirm that BEFORE signing him?

[whottt]

Drew Gooden

PPG 13.1
RPG 8.7
APG 1.4
SPG 0.8
BPG 0.4

Matt Bonner

PPG 8.8
RPG 4.9
APG 1.1
SPG 0.6
BPG 0.3


A starting center who averages less than 5 rebounds a game, can't score in the post, can't even average double digit scoring, is completely unathletic, slow, can't jump, isn't even in the right place for rotations and whose sole virtue is that he can hit the 3

vs a consistent starting power forward who would free Tim up in the post as a consistent scoring threat, who is more athletic, nearly averages a double double--


I hope you're joking-- because it is seriously stupid to believe that Matt Bonner is as good a player or a better player than Drew Gooden.


:nope


Yeah I hate to break it to you but Drew Gooden only averages 4 more boards than Bonner per 48...that's one more board per quarter...

I don't suppose any of you Einstein's have noticed that Gooden gets more minutes than Bonner does...

[GooberNuts]

I cringe everytime Bonner drives it to the hoop with one of those half-floater hook shots.

I think some nights we'll see Bonner starting and some nights, Gooden. The addition of Gooden just gives us more ability to mix and match on the frontline. Bonner and Gooden each bring different skillsets which will be helpful depending on the situation.

[Spurologist]

Hellelujah!!!!!!!!

I love Gooden's game. His only knock is he can be a bit lackadaisical on the court but pop can fine tune that. Bonner is a better shooter but Gooden is a far better rebounder. Gooden's D to fair is average at best but i'm encouraged by effort he made in his playoff stints with Cleveland. Automatic 8+ boards a night plus an outside jumper. nice.....

This is the type of spurs pickup i've been waiting......not official but it's quacking like a duck so it must be a duck

[angelbelow]

damn the sports hernia report is concerning.

[Spurs9]

Sadly the spurs probably will let go of pops who has a good future because they wont want to buy out JV or Udoka.

[whottt]

the post, can't even average double digit scoring


And are you really this fucking stupid? They average almost an identical PPS...the difference between them is that Gooden takes more shots...he's not going to now, he's going to take a lot less.

Bonner shoots at a much higher PCT..if he took the same number of shots Gooden did...he'd score more points than Gooden does.

He is not going to put up 13 and 8 for the Spurs...fools.

[superbigtime]

ahhh its tear down Matt Bonner night I see.

What fantastic fans we have.

Don't worry man, I'll stick with Redman. I only wish it was jockstrap vaughn packing his bags. thanks for all that great back up PG play and invaluable professionalism, now get the fuck out!

[Solid D]

every time matt bonner makes a hook shot in the paint, everyone gets excited and giddy. that's how bad bonner's offense in the paint is.

Bonner is supposed to stretch the opponent's defense and leave the post scoring to Timmy. However, Bonner actually has nice touch in and around the basket. His dribble drive and short-range shot when he's run off the arc is pretty good. He's got a .515 FG% and .487 3-PT%, so he must be doing something right inside the arc.

[traitoravery]

Does anyone know the extent of his injury? I bet he doesnt play until late March.

[coyotes_geek]

Which of those 5 will be back and why? Pop & RC know they have to get younger to help Tim, Tony & Manu get more rings. Course there could be certain circumstances that will force Pop & RC to keep one or two....at least until the Feb. trade deadline in 2010.

Younger doesn't automatically equal better. Sure, where there are opportunities to replace old guys with young guys who are just as good the Spurs will look to do that. But without a high draft pick or a bunch of cap space the notion that they'll be able to bring in 5 young guys who are better than the 5 old guys is unrealistic. Generally speaking teams don't trade good young players for old players, so the odds are slim that the Spurs would be able to trade any of those 5 for a younger, better player. I think Thomas is definitely back, guaranteed contract, playing well, great fit next to Tim. Finley is probably back, has a player option and there isn't really a better situation out there for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Vaughn is back. As a 3rd string PG who will play for the minimum he's more than adequate. Fab is on the bubble and I think Ime is definitely out.

[traitoravery]

I guess we wont be resigning Fabs

[Yorae]

This thread is more jam packed than a game thread eh.

[angelbelow]

I guess we wont be resigning Fabs

oberto is worth the minimum at this point. smart player but his b-ball iq surpasses his physical ability to get it done.

[coyotes_geek]

Fab has a contract for next season, but only 50% guaranteed.

[traitoravery]

I hope he signs for the min next year. I sure he will be wooed away.

[buttsR4rebounding]

One would think that with Pops still having some days left on his 10-day deal and Gooden nursing that hernia that the Spurs might not actually sign Gooden until this weekend. If Gooden isn't going to be able to play for another two weeks or so it might not even be a bad idea to give Pops a second 10-day deal and let Gooden sit on the couch at home with the playbook.

That would be one bonehead move. First, Pops is out. Why waste rotation minutes on a guy who won't be in the rotation. Second, sitting on the couch with no contract opens the opportunity for a change of heart. What happens if Kobe shows up with some Colorado teenagers, a bottle of Wild Turkey and a Laker's contract? By the end of the night he'll either have inked a deal on the back of some Laker groupie or reinjure his groin to the point that he's useless to the Spurs...:p:

[xtremesteven33]

Let Gooden walk next year and FEED THE SHEED!!!

[024]

Bonner is supposed to stretch the opponent's defense and leave the post scoring to Timmy. However, Bonner actually has nice touch in and around the basket. His dribble drive and short-range shot when he's run off the arc is pretty good. He's got a .515 FG% and .487 3-PT%, so he must be doing something right inside the arc.
bonner has improved. his 3 pt and jump shooting is great. but without duncan down low to attract defenders, his effectiveness is limited. when was the last time you saw bonner back down a defender in the paint and score?

gooden adds a low post presence that can create his own shots in the paint. when duncan is on the bench, offensive droughts happen because the staple of the spurs' offense is strong low post scoring to distract defenders. that's why almost everyone on the spurs seems to be very good at shooting threes or at least jump shots. without an interior presence, spurs just become a slow version of run and gun, chucking jump shots and doing the occasional drive. gooden might change some of that and mix up the offense enough to confuse defenders.

[ss1986v2]

Younger doesn't automatically equal better. Sure, where there are opportunities to replace old guys with young guys who are just as good the Spurs will look to do that. But without a high draft pick or a bunch of cap space the notion that they'll be able to bring in 5 young guys who are better than the 5 old guys is unrealistic. Generally speaking teams don't trade good young players for old players, so the odds are slim that the Spurs would be able to trade any of those 5 for a younger, better player. I think Thomas is definitely back, guaranteed contract, playing well, great fit next to Tim. Finley is probably back, has a player option and there isn't really a better situation out there for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Vaughn is back. As a 3rd string PG who will play for the minimum he's more than adequate. Fab is on the bubble and I think Ime is definitely out.

agreed, with everyone except vaughn. i think the spurs would probably rather have the roster spot than vaughn back. with players like hairston, maybe gist, possibly pops, and a slew of 2nd round picks in this next draft, they may want to take some time to evaluate the end of the bench over the course of the season. add the fact that pop has stated that he has been surprised with masons ability to handle the point and the fact that manu is still probably our crunch time ball handler, i think the need for the 3rd pg is at an all time low.

[EricB]

Sadly the spurs probably will let go of pops who has a good future because they wont want to buy out JV or Udoka.


Yeah sadly they will let go of a guy who couldn't stick in euroleagues.

[TheSpursFNRule]

I get the feeling he won't be backing up Mat Bonner for long...anyone else agree?

[xtremesteven33]

I still think the starting spot should go to Oberto.

I just feel comfortable with him in there. His chemistry with Duncan and Parker is great and hes a solid defender.

Bring Gooden off the bench to sub for Duncan.

[whottt]

I get the feeling he won't be backing up Mat Bonner for long...anyone else agree?

And I get the feeling he won't even be playing for a while. And a good feeling it is too.

[m33p0]

it ain't a done deal yet. that hernia thing is worrisome.

[coyotes_geek]

That would be one bonehead move. First, Pops is out. Why waste rotation minutes on a guy who won't be in the rotation. Second, sitting on the couch with no contract opens the opportunity for a change of heart. What happens if Kobe shows up with some Colorado teenagers, a bottle of Wild Turkey and a Laker's contract? By the end of the night he'll either have inked a deal on the back of some Laker groupie or reinjure his groin to the point that he's useless to the Spurs...:p:

For the record I'm not with the crowd who believes Pops Mensah-Bonsu is the second coming of David Robinson and someone the Spurs need to plan their future around. I doubt the guy ever makes it as an NBA player. Still, he's only got 3 days left on his current deal and that's 3 days the Spurs could use to get a better picture of what Gooden's injury situation really is.

[coyotes_geek]

agreed, with everyone except vaughn. i think the spurs would probably rather have the roster spot than vaughn back. with players like hairston, maybe gist, possibly pops, and a slew of 2nd round picks in this next draft, they may want to take some time to evaluate the end of the bench over the course of the season. add the fact that pop has stated that he has been surprised with masons ability to handle the point and the fact that manu is still probably our crunch time ball handler, i think the need for the 3rd pg is at an all time low.

I certainly wouldn't be surprised if that's how things played out. You're right that the need for a 3rd PG is at an all-time low, but on the flip side is Pop's history of always having one around. It's a coin flip IMO as to whether or not he's back.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Younger doesn't automatically equal better. Sure, where there are opportunities to replace old guys with young guys who are just as good the Spurs will look to do that. But without a high draft pick or a bunch of cap space the notion that they'll be able to bring in 5 young guys who are better than the 5 old guys is unrealistic. Generally speaking teams don't trade good young players for old players, so the odds are slim that the Spurs would be able to trade any of those 5 for a younger, better player. I think Thomas is definitely back, guaranteed contract, playing well, great fit next to Tim. Finley is probably back, has a player option and there isn't really a better situation out there for him. I wouldn't be surprised if Vaughn is back. As a 3rd string PG who will play for the minimum he's more than adequate. Fab is on the bubble and I think Ime is definitely out.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Vaughn will most likely become an assistant coach, maybe with the Spurs. Finley will only be back if he agrees to move way down the bench. He is becoming too damn erratic...one game hitting 4 for 4 and the next 2-3 games laying up goose eggs. Fab, because of his heart condition will most likely not be back. He could very well become a player coach with Argentina. Ime Udoka...who is that invisible guy? He is toast but, some crazy owner/GM/coach will pick him up to carry the Gatorade for the team. KT, could possibly be back if Gooden goes elsewhere, Fab retires and we can't get a Camby or Sheed type to play alongside of Tim.

A lot will depend on how the young guys like Hairston, Pops, Mihimi, Hill, etc. look during the summer and in training camp and exhibition games. Tim, Manu & Tony are starting to show signs of age with injuries that just don't go away very fast. Too frequently of late. Pop realizes that he won't have Tim a whole lot longer so he will want to put good quality youth in the 6-10 spots. And a couple of consistent and reliable vets @ #'s 11 & 12. Anyway, just mho!

[Solid D]

bonner has improved. his 3 pt and jump shooting is great. but without duncan down low to attract defenders, his effectiveness is limited. when was the last time you saw bonner back down a defender in the paint and score?

gooden adds a low post presence that can create his own shots in the paint. when duncan is on the bench, offensive droughts happen because the staple of the spurs' offense is strong low post scoring to distract defenders. that's why almost everyone on the spurs seems to be very good at shooting threes or at least jump shots. without an interior presence, spurs just become a slow version of run and gun, chucking jump shots and doing the occasional drive. gooden might change some of that and mix up the offense enough to confuse defenders.

Matt isn't a low post player. He's a high post guy or someone who is a threat out on the floor. He doesn't play the 5, with or without Timmy. However, he's NOT a bad scorer once he gets into the paint, which is what you said. I understand what you meant, now, so we agree that he isn't a low post scorer.

[Budkin]

Good. We need the rebounding and size up front. If only Pop can make him play defense.

[tp2021]

Strange...a player that the Spurs were reported to be front-runners for actually signs with them? What's the world coming to?













Odd number curse of the NBA is creepin back...

:lol

[Manufan909]

If Tim/KT/Ian/Matt are givens, with Sheed/Drew possible, I don't see Fab having a spot. And hopefully Bowen, Gist and Hairston all get more minutes than Fin next season. As long as I'm 1 of 3 I'm happy, with Bowen and Gist being least likely to avg more PT than Fin. Hairston might if he is solid in the POs.

If Gooden ends up still hurt and Pops is signed to a 2nd tenday, then I can keep my sig.:hat

[GSH]

Teams are going to continue to collapse on Duncan no matter how often Gooden gets to the line. He's Tim freaking Duncan. Gooden has the potential to help Tim on the boards, give some front court scoring when Tim is on the bench, and maybe allow Tim to have an easier defensive assignment, but Gooden isn't going to make teams want to start letting Tim go 1 on 1.


Don't put words in my mouth. Especially when they are dipshit words like that. Of course they aren't going to totally quit double teaming Tim.

It means that they are going to have to pull off those double teams more often. It means that Tim will get some opportunities to re-post a few feet closer to the basket. It means that they will be using some fouls on Gooden that they won't be able to use on Duncan - which means more opposing bigs in foul trouble. It means that when they do double Duncan, he will have someone to pass to who can take it strong to the hole and finish.

The difference between 2 and 5 FTA/48 is huge. It means a totally different level of aggressiveness around the rim. It means that teams are actually paying attention to him, rather than flashing to him as an afterthought.

I never suggested that Drew Gooden is an all-star post player. But I've said for years that the one thing that would benefit Tim is having another guy who commands some attention in the low blocks. And the best measure of that is trips to the line. Because the 5 times that he actually draws a whistle are only the tip of the iceberg. And when they are forced to put a big body on someone other than Tim, it's going to open his game up more.

The other thing you should keep in mind is that not all double teams are created equally. Having a guy like Gooden (if he's healthy) on the floor will affect the way teams are able to defend Duncan.

[peskypesky]

please God please God please God please God: let this be true!!!

[Mr Bones]

Whatever happens, I have to applaud the front office. Mensah-Bonsu quickly proved to be the best player in the d league after he was signed by the Toros, and Gooden looks to be the best post-trade deadline player available. Add to this the possibility that Mahinmi could be recovered before the playoffs start, and at least the Spurs have some options regarding their front line, which could be crucial in the event of a season ending injury to Bonner or Thomas. The Lakers, without Bynum, are still in a good position to win the western conference, and I think the Spurs will move one step closer to a similar position by adding Gooden.

[Manufan909]

Don't put words in my mouth. Especially when they are dipshit words like that. Of course they aren't going to totally quit double teaming Tim.

It means that they are going to have to pull off those double teams more often. It means that Tim will get some opportunities to re-post a few feet closer to the basket. It means that they will be using some fouls on Gooden that they won't be able to use on Duncan - which means more opposing bigs in foul trouble. It means that when they do double Duncan, he will have someone to pass to who can take it strong to the hole and finish.

The difference between 2 and 5 FTA/48 is huge. It means a totally different level of aggressiveness around the rim. It means that teams are actually paying attention to him, rather than flashing to him as an afterthought.

I never suggested that Drew Gooden is an all-star post player. But I've said for years that the one thing that would benefit Tim is having another guy who commands some attention in the low blocks. And the best measure of that is trips to the line. Because the 5 times that he actually draws a whistle are only the tip of the iceberg. And when they are forced to put a big body on someone other than Tim, it's going to open his game up more.

The other thing you should keep in mind is that not all double teams are created equally. Having a guy like Gooden (if he's healthy) on the floor will affect the way teams are able to defend Duncan.

So with the FTA, he could be averaging 5 fouls drawn(all And1s), or 3 fouls drawn with only one And1. Do they count that too, or not that much detail? Cuz I'd hope it would be the former, but I doubt it.

[senorglory]

...Vaughn, Udoka, Finley, Thomas, either via trade, retirement or bought out. Pop won't carry those 5 into next season and will instead be bringing along some of the new/younger guys plus a free agent or two.

09/10 looks like this:
a) Contracts: Duncan; Parker; Ginobili; Thomas; Bowen; Oberto; Mason; Bonner; Hill;
b) "Qualifying Offer" on Finley; and
c) "Team Option" on Mahinimi.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

[Solid D]

Of course the Spurs wouldn't be signing Gooden if they had signed Scola, who by the way went for 20 and 16 tonight..

:stirpot: :smokin

[m33p0]

Of course the Spurs wouldn't be signing Gooden if they had signed Scola, who by the way went for 20 and 16 tonight..

:pot :smokin
YOU DID NOT JUST GO THERE, DID YOU?! YES YOU DID, DIDN'T YOU? YOU DID! FUCK, YOU DID!:wow

[Holt's Cat]

Of course the Spurs wouldn't be signing Gooden if they had signed Scola, who by the way went for 20 and 16 tonight..

:stirpot: :smokin

Pffft.

[Spursfan092120]

Don Harris said it came off the line in LA and they said that was the guy they HOPED SA wouldn't get...hmm...

[senorglory]

USA Today re: 2006 Eastern Conf quarter finals (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/playoffs/2006-04-28-moves-countermoves_x.htm):

Countermove: As the Cavs' leader, James can't allow himself to be taken out of his game. If anything, he needs to take his play to another level when opponents rough him up, and his teammates have to let it be known they won't stand for anybody breathing too hard on their meal ticket. Look for Drew Gooden to play the role of enforcer.

Under the boards: The Cavs have outrebounded the Wizards in each of the first two games and have a whopping 11 1/2 rebounds-a-game advantage.

Countermove: The Wizards must control Gooden, who averages 13 rebounds despite playing less than 30 minutes a game, by getting a body on him. If Haywood and Etan Thomas aren't more productive in the rebounding department, the Cavs will continue to feast on the boards [emphasis added].

Not that this is necessarily the kind of impact Gooden will have with the Spurs... but it's fun to fantasize.

[Manufan909]

Don Harris said it came off the line in LA and they said that was the guy they HOPED SA wouldn't get...hmm...

I wonder why they feel that way. Gooden is no Sheed/Camby. I guess his post game is more potent than I thought.

[polandprzem]

Is he gonna beat Oberto in the rotation?

[bigdog]

Is he gonna beat Oberto in the rotation?

maybe. he could also play alongside oberto with fab at C and gooden at PF

[ducks]

pops center
gooden power foward
booner small foward

should make spur fans happy

[peskypesky]

Is he gonna beat Oberto in the rotation?

if he's healthy, no contest.

[Spursfan092120]

I wonder why they feel that way. Gooden is no Sheed/Camby. I guess his post game is more potent than I thought.
I think the reason is 13 and 8.

[manny]

I think we will all be surprised with just how well Gooden will do as a big man for the Spurs. We're not asking him to be an All-Star or anything like that. We just need him to grab some rebounds and help out in the paint. We don't need 20 and 10, just some help in the paint. Which is what he'll do. Drew Gooden finally has the chance to play with a superstar (Tim Duncan). Drew Gooden has never played with a superstar that makes his team better, so now is his chance to be a decent big man in the league.
wow Lebron James is not a superstar? you're an idiot if you don't think so.

and yes I made an account just to say this, great signing by the spurs FO you guys got a great deal, trust me.

[ducks]

on how many shots a game

[MI21]

Right now, I'm down with the Gooden signing. It's better than doing nothing.

Positives:

-Fantastic rebounder at both ends of the court. His offensive rebounds aren't tapouts either, they are tips ins and putbacks. He has a quick jump which helps him in this regard.

-Very good midrange jumpshot. When he came into the league he even played some 3. A pick n pop with Manu/Gooden when the benchies are on is going to be a pretty reliable offensive option.

-He runs the floor. Other than Timmy, who runs the floor very well, the Spurs bigs suck in this regard due to physical liabilities.

-He immeadiatly becomes the most athletic Spurs bigman. He isn't as athletic as when he started out due to extra weight/age and so on, but the guy can still suprise with athletic moves and dunks. Seeing Spurs fans wanted to make Pops Mensa-Bonsu the next Shawn Kemp after a basic 2 hand dunk, they may appreciate Drew's athleticism.

-He has a very positive, upbeat energy about him. He hustles. When things are going flat its always nice to have a guy who can bring energy to the crowd, to the team and to the game. Similar somewhat to Mario Elie of Stephen Jackson. I like having a guy like that around.

Negatives:

Defense. His man to man isn't to terrible, but he does really suck in terms of understanding rotations. I seen it a lot when he was with Cleveland. He gets the first rotation right and then looks as if he is happy with himself and forgets about the next rotation that is needed.

He doesn't block shots which is what we all love to have next to Timmy. He doesn't really intimidate or contest shots particularly well either.

He is/can be a black hole on the block or in face up situations. I think this is in part due to his crappy passing skills. But there is a good chance the ball isn't coming out if you dump it down low to Drew. He also has bad shot selection, often settling for fadeaway jumpers when better shots could be had.

All up though, you can't complain about this signing. There is no risk, but room for pretty high reward. In a perfect world, Drew really could be the solution to some of the Spurs patented offensive slumps.

Hill/Manu/Bowen/Gooden/Thomas can be a nice lineup with a decent mixture of offense and defense that can keep the Spurs in games when Tony is resting and Timmy is in foul trouble or needs a rest. Knowing Spurs fans, Drew will have a great first game and everyone will expect the 13/8 averages, but it isn't going to happen. 8/5 from Drew with passable defense would go a long way in helping the Spurs get back to the Finals.

[coyotes_geek]

Don't put words in my mouth. Especially when they are dipshit words like that. Of course they aren't going to totally quit double teaming Tim.

It means that they are going to have to pull off those double teams more often. It means that Tim will get some opportunities to re-post a few feet closer to the basket. It means that they will be using some fouls on Gooden that they won't be able to use on Duncan - which means more opposing bigs in foul trouble. It means that when they do double Duncan, he will have someone to pass to who can take it strong to the hole and finish.

No, it doesn't mean that teams are going to have to pull off double teams more often. It just means their decision where to bring the double teams from might change. Unless Gooden is going to be feeding a bunch of entry passes into Duncan he's more than likely going to be on the opposite side of the court meaning his man isn't in a position to go double Duncan anyways. Most of the double teams on Tim come from guards anyways. Gooden's presence would just reinforce that.


The difference between 2 and 5 FTA/48 is huge. It means a totally different level of aggressiveness around the rim. It means that teams are actually paying attention to him, rather than flashing to him as an afterthought.

Gooden's aggresiveness is a good thing. I agree with you. But that's not going to have some huge profound effect on how Duncan gets guarded, which was the only point I was trying to make. Doesn't matter whether it results in Gooden getting a good look at the rim or a perimeter guy getting a good look at a 3, doubling Tim Duncan is still going to be the lesser of the evils.


I never suggested that Drew Gooden is an all-star post player. But I've said for years that the one thing that would benefit Tim is having another guy who commands some attention in the low blocks. And the best measure of that is trips to the line. Because the 5 times that he actually draws a whistle are only the tip of the iceberg. And when they are forced to put a big body on someone other than Tim, it's going to open his game up more.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I never said you suggested he was an all-star. He's a nice player, he'd help Tim. I agree with you.