View Full Version : Drew Gooden officially signed by Spurs
SenorSpur
03-06-2009, 12:28 PM
One dunk like that and he's riding the pine.
:lol
That's partially what got Pops shipped outta here. Hairston also better be careful. A couple of more dunks and he'll be sent away, too. :lol
Spurminator
03-06-2009, 12:29 PM
Bruce needs to start against the Lakers.
I remember some bone headed plays from Gooden when he was with the Cavs. Of course, we're used to it with Bonner sometimes.
rascal
03-06-2009, 12:35 PM
Gooden should start and get starters minutes and Bonner should come off the bench.
Spurs need rebounds more than a big shooting 3 pointers.
rascal
03-06-2009, 12:37 PM
Mods - feel free to merge.
I think the pick-up is an excellent one for the Spurs. For a short time I covered the Cavs and Drew was always a great interview and guy around the lockerroom. Real laid back and honest - didn't give standard answers nor did he put on a show. Just a cool guy. The SA media should love him.
His game? He's going to be great on the glass - especially offensivesly for the Spurs. Not the type who you throw it in the post to make plays, but a live body that will generate points off loose balls. He's also a good passer for his position - although he doesn't utilize that skill as well as he could in the offenses he was in. If a big goes to double on Duncan - he'll find the open spot and be available for the dumpoff down low.
The concern Spurs fans should have is how Pop deals with his lack of focus at times. He's normally not tuned in for a full 48 and doesn't play with the discipline Spurs teams normally do.
Specifially vs LA - he does give someone who can match up with Odom when he's at the 4 spot. Great athleticism when healthy but too short/light to bother Gasol in the post. He also doesn't have a chance guarding Bynum.
So not quite Twin Towers but a very good addition for the Spurs. I still don't see it being enough for SA to win with it unlikely Ginobili being close to 100%, LA still having the size and depth advantage, and the Spurs having no one to guard Kobe, but its a great move.
This is a great analysis. I totally agree.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 12:38 PM
The Spurs need both the 3 point shooting from Bonner and the rebounding. That is what this entire debate is about. How can we maximize what both Drew and Bonner add to the Spurs. It does no good to add one and delete the other. It has to work both ways.
Spursmania
03-06-2009, 12:39 PM
Good post. As far as the some of the utility Gooden will give the Spurs, we can't forget that if he can draw 1 or more extra fouls against Gasol/Odom, that would be a huge plus for us. And, ditto on picking up the loose ball/trash for some lay-ins. Can't wait to see them playing together, especially when Manu gets back. I think our chances have gone up considerably. No illusions, but shit happens in the NBA and we could do it.
urunobili
03-06-2009, 12:40 PM
nice thoughts... i think that Gooden can DEFINITIVELY guard Gasol though... Bowen would then be assigned to Odom and we'll free kobe to a one man show...
TDMVPDPOY
03-06-2009, 12:40 PM
if we to beat lakers we must play like 05 playoffs against the suns, minimize 4 players on the court production....
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 12:45 PM
nice thoughts... i think that Gooden can DEFINITIVELY guard Gasol though... Bowen would then be assigned to Odom and we'll free kobe to a one man show...
You are seriously underestimating Pau Gasol. Duncan has trouble guarding him. He is very talented and he has torched the Spurs. Not to mention Gooden is a terrible defender (or has been so far in his career) and now you think he can guard one of the best, if not the best offensive big men in the league?
td4mvp21
03-06-2009, 12:53 PM
You are seriously underestimating Pau Gasol. Duncan has trouble guarding him. He is very talented and he has torched the Spurs. Not to mention Gooden is a terrible defender (or has been so far in his career) and now you think he can guard one of the best, if not the best offensive big men in the league?
:tu Gasol is really talented in the post.
completely deck
03-06-2009, 12:55 PM
You are seriously underestimating Pau Gasol. Duncan has trouble guarding him. He is very talented and he has torched the Spurs. Not to mention Gooden is a terrible defender (or has been so far in his career) and now you think he can guard one of the best, if not the best offensive big men in the league?
Pau Gasol is not unstoppable. Given the right defensive schemes and he can be shut down. He's not "the best offensive big men in the league"
xtremesteven33
03-06-2009, 01:05 PM
Pau Gasol is not unstoppable. Given the right defensive schemes and he can be shut down. He's not "the best offensive big men in the league"
Gasol is REALLY talented offensively.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 01:13 PM
:tu Gasol is really talented in the post.
He is not a traditional low block player but has great touch. Do you not watch how he torches the Spurs?
Pau Gasol is not unstoppable. Given the right defensive schemes and he can be shut down. He's not "the best offensive big men in the league"
No one is unstoppable, but Gasol is a GREAT offensive player with size/speed and skill. Name another big that can shoot as well as him from anywhere on the floor, pass as good as him and drive and finish at the rim as good as him. He has all of those tools and while he may not be the best at each individually, I cannot think of anyone who has all of them combined at that level.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 01:14 PM
:tu Gasol is really talented in the post.
:tu Gooden is a beast of a defender in the low block.
Did Gooden says he is ready for today ?
duncan228
03-06-2009, 01:17 PM
Did Gooden says he is ready for today ?
Gooden said so, but it's Pop's call and it doesn't look like we'll see him tonight.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118935
LakerHater
03-06-2009, 01:19 PM
Does anyone know what # Drew will wear?
crc21209
03-06-2009, 01:21 PM
Does anyone know what # Drew will wear?
He'll be wearing #90
Agloco
03-06-2009, 01:25 PM
WTF is T Park?
Eric B= T Park
Can Gooden stick after this year. Seems like a solid consideration alongside Duncan and Ian....
How's the money look?
SpursWoman
03-06-2009, 01:29 PM
I'm sure he's got to be tired of bouncing around to all of these different teams ... by that alone I hope he's inspired enough to kick all kinds of ass for the Spurs and earn a new contract this summer.
I hope. :)
td4mvp21
03-06-2009, 01:33 PM
:tu Gooden is a beast of a defender in the low block.
Uhhhh you're kind of being a douche for no reason because I was agreeing with your original post :lol I wasn't being sarcastic.
Agloco
03-06-2009, 01:33 PM
Did Gooden says he is ready for today ?
One week according to practice footage. Lots of bricks being thrown around by Mr. Drew.......
Solid D
03-06-2009, 01:54 PM
... Just don't expect a brain surgeon...
I'm expecting a rocket surgeon.
urunobili
03-06-2009, 02:24 PM
Name another big that can shoot as well as him from anywhere on the floor, pass as good as him and drive and finish at the rim as good as him. He has all of those tools and while he may not be the best at each individually, I cannot think of anyone who has all of them combined at that level.
his name is Dirk Nowitzki.. :downspin:
SpursDynasty
03-06-2009, 02:48 PM
Gooden is as good a big as we can get...so we'll take it.
I think this pretty much makes the Spurs the favorites in the West to go to the Finals. With all of our injuries and absence of a solid big outside Duncan, we're 40-20 and 2nd in the West. We've had better records after 60 games in the past, but we can't complain at this point. Pop/Duncan aren't guys that you get around and disrupt a team's chemistry...that's the way it's been since '97....so I wouldn't expect that Gooden would "disrupt" team chemistry. Gooden's presence in the paint will stop free layups and get that extra rebound that we needed last season vs. the Lakers. He's not necessarily an All-Star caliber player, but neither was Gasol when he came in to the Lakers. Like Gasol, Gooden will be there for offensive rebounds/putbacks, and some blocks here and there. Again, we didn't need an All-Star or anything, just a guy to grab a rebound or two.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 02:55 PM
Uhhhh you're kind of being a douche for no reason because I was agreeing with your original post :lol I wasn't being sarcastic.
My bad then, thought you were mocking.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 02:57 PM
his name is Dirk Nowitzki.. :downspin:
Dirk > Pau at shooting (but Pau is very good)
Pau > Dirk in the low block
Pau > Dirk at passing
Pau > Dirk at ball handling
Pau > Dirk at driving to the rim and finishing
urunobili
03-06-2009, 03:12 PM
Dirk > Pau at shooting (but Pau is very good)
Pau > Dirk in the low block
Pau > Dirk at passing
Pau > Dirk at ball handling
Pau > Dirk at driving to the rim and finishing
:lmao...
the way you put it together it may even sound like an argument but Dirk is >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ball player than Pau could ever become...
nkdlunch
03-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Pau is better than Dirk at the post and maybe on defense. But Dirk is immensely better in every other aspect. it's not even close
ohmwrecker
03-06-2009, 04:05 PM
Pau Gasol is better on the block than Nowitzki, but Dirk is a far superior wing player and a more creative offensive player. The problem with Nowitzki (and the Mavs) is he is not a leader. The best player on any team has to be a leader to win.
Galileo
03-06-2009, 04:08 PM
Pau Gasol is not unstoppable. Given the right defensive schemes and he can be shut down. He's not "the best offensive big men in the league"
If you look at points and assists, he's 2nd behind Tim Duncan.
Gasol leads the Fakers in Win Shares this season, not Kobe.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 04:11 PM
LMAO, some of you are trying to say Dirk is a better passer than Pau? Or trying to say he is a better ball handler/attacker? GTFO. Dirk is a superior shooter, but that is where it stops. I think Pau is better than Dirk overall.
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LakerHater
03-06-2009, 04:58 PM
He'll be wearing #90
Thanks, thats what I thought, just wanted to make sure!
http://db.funformobile.com/images/smiles/cheer.gif (javascript:emoticon('form_text',':cheer:'))
LMAO, some of you are trying to say Dirk is a better passer than Pau? Or trying to say he is a better ball handler/attacker? GTFO. Dirk is a superior shooter, but that is where it stops. I think Pau is better than Dirk overall.
ZrlfUWQjN8I
Perhaps you've forgotten the Pau that existed before he rode Kobe's jock to averaging <10ppg in the 08 finals.
pad300
03-06-2009, 05:26 PM
Gasol leads the Fakers in Win Shares this season, not Kobe.
True, and this is not a statistical artifact either. It's because big men help you win more than wing players...It's why the league values 7 footers so much.
As far as Dirk vs Gasol, this appears to be a down season for Dirk. If you look at the last 4 complete seasons (04-05 to 07-08), Dirk has produced an average of 15.3 ws/season. Gasol on the other hand has 8.5 ws/season.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 05:27 PM
Perhaps you've forgotten the Pau that existed before he rode Kobe's jock to averaging <10ppg in the 08 finals.
What does that have to do with anything, he had a bad finals. Do you actually watch him play for the Lakers? Pau is a huge part of their success and people on here vastly underrate his offensive game. You could make an argument that Dirk is an all around better player offensively, but I do not think so.
Keep in mind I am not saying Pau is the most dominant offensive big man. I am saying he is the most "all around" skilled big man. He is a jack of all trades, and a master of none. So how he impacts games varies compared to someone who is really dominant with a type or types of offensive tools.
What does that have to do with anything, he had a bad finals.
I spoke mainly of his failures previous, though last season's Finals is more proof he's about an unclutch and soft as they come.
Do you actually watch him play for the Lakers? Pau is a huge part of their success and people on here vastly underrate his offensive game.
He has a shitty jumpshot and plays little defense. Tim has owned him throughout Pau's career, including the 04 playoffs you've conveniently forgotten where Pau had both the team and the coaching to pull an upset and couldnt even win one game. Let's not talk about the other two seasons he failed to register one playoff victory with a decent team.
You could make an argument that Dirk is an all around better player offensively, but I do not think so.
Dirk is a better player, took a team much further as the #1 option.
DPG21920
03-06-2009, 05:39 PM
He has a shitty jumpshot
This is where you lost me. Once again, I am not saying he is the most dominant player, I am saying he is the overall most skilled offensive big in the game imo.
Spurs Brazil
03-06-2009, 08:49 PM
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Spurs Brazil
03-07-2009, 01:52 PM
From weekend dime
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090307-08
Plugged-in sources say Drew Gooden forfeited just under $1.5 million in salary in Sacramento to secure his release in time last Sunday to have the freedom to move on to San Antonio.
That figure is not a coincidence.
The most San Antonio could offer Gooden for the rest of the season was just under $1.5 million: $1,484,029 to be exact.
The doubts about Gooden and Cleveland's Joe Smith getting waived before the March 1 deadline, in retrospect, seem a bit silly now. Both players are represented by the ever-forceful Dan Fegan, who was bound to get them to the open market.
A Western Conference scout on which of the buyout guys -- Joe Smith, Drew Gooden or Marbury -- will make the biggest contribution:
"If Drew Gooden is healthy, San Antonio got a steal. I know Drew a little bit and his basketball IQ is higher than people think. He's a big body. He can give you a double-double. He can be a low-post presence for that team; San Antonio doesn't have one when Duncan goes to the bench.
"But that groin looked like it was definitely bothering him when I saw him play [recently], and I've heard that it's something that's been there for about two years."
exstatic
03-07-2009, 02:10 PM
That figure is not a coincidence.
The most San Antonio could offer Gooden for the rest of the season was just under $1.5 million: $1,484,029 to be exact.
That figure has to be pro-rated for the remainder of the season. Otherwise dudes would be sitting out half the season, grabbing a full pay share, and cruising into the playoffs.
I've seen it at about $315K. That's a great deal to get a trial for a couple of months for a big man who may be a part of your future.
coyotes_geek
03-07-2009, 02:56 PM
That figure has to be pro-rated for the remainder of the season. Otherwise dudes would be sitting out half the season, grabbing a full pay share, and cruising into the playoffs.
I've seen it at about $315K. That's a great deal to get a trial for a couple of months for a big man who may be a part of your future.
The $1.4whatever is what's left after the proration has taken place. Cap exceptions (and/or any remaining unused portions) remain at 100% of their value until January 9th. Starting January 10th they decrease 1/170 each day. 170 being the number of days in the season.
Full MLE is $5,585,000 for this year. The Spurs used a chunk of it on Mason. According to shamsports and the ESPN trade machine, Mason is making $3,500,000 this year. That leaves $2,085,000 of remaining MLE. Starting January 10th that remaining amount reduced $12,264.71 every day. Gooden signed March 5th, that's 55 days from January 10th. $2,085,000 - (55 x $12,264.71) = $1,410,441.18
That's different than the $1,484,029 that the daily dime is claiming. Perhaps it's just a coincidence, but if you plug 49 days into the calculation instead of 55 you get the $1,484,029 instead of $1,410,441. So either one of us is mis-counting days, or daily dime has a different salary figure for Mason. But in either event, we're close. Point being that Gooden is indeed going to get $1.4mil +/- for the remainder of the season.
MaNu4Tres
03-07-2009, 05:03 PM
A Western Conference scout on which of the buyout guys -- Joe Smith, Drew Gooden or Marbury -- will make the biggest contribution:
"If Drew Gooden is healthy, San Antonio got a steal. I know Drew a little bit and his basketball IQ is higher than people think. He's a big body. He can give you a double-double. He can be a low-post presence for that team; San Antonio doesn't have one when Duncan goes to the bench.
"But that groin looked like it was definitely bothering him when I saw him play [recently], and I've heard that it's something that's been there for about two years."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090307-08
crc21209
03-07-2009, 05:08 PM
Hmm well if its something that has been bothering him for a couple of years then it shouldnt be too much of an issue now. But still let him practice for a bit then throw him out there.
MaNu4Tres
03-07-2009, 05:10 PM
btw crc do we have any games left in our 2k league?
crc21209
03-07-2009, 05:12 PM
btw crc do we have any games left in our 2k league?
Good question, lemme check up on that bro.
Rogue
03-07-2009, 05:12 PM
Gooden will surely strength the rebounding work at least. spurs are a good team but their rebounding work always sucks when duncan sits on bench. gooden isn't cute enough to digest the complicated systerm of spurs team but his rebounding abilities still will help spurs a lot.
crc21209
03-07-2009, 05:13 PM
Nah man we finished our games in the league already, but we can run some custom games some time soon.
completely deck
03-07-2009, 05:18 PM
gooden isn't cute enough to digest the complicated systerm of spurs team
:wtf
Ed Helicopter Jones
03-07-2009, 05:56 PM
"But that groin looked like it was definitely bothering him when I saw him play [recently], and I've heard that it's something that's been there for about two years."
As an interesting bit of info, I've had my groin for over 40 years now.
Bender
03-07-2009, 06:53 PM
:wtf
:lol
I don't know either, deck...
DPG21920
03-07-2009, 06:55 PM
Spurs must get healthy. That is the biggest thing. Lets hope Drew is fine, but it is a cause for concern.
raspsa
03-07-2009, 07:26 PM
I believe Cleveland had nearly double the amount of money to offer Gooden but he still signed with the Spurs. Was it simply a case of Cleveland wanting joe Smith over Gooden (maybe they know something Spurs don't) or Gooden taking less money to play in SA?
Thompson
03-07-2009, 08:43 PM
How can you have a groin injury for two years? I guess he means he's had a lot of problems in that area. If two offseasons haven't fixed it, I don't think another week will (maybe it will just make it good enough to get by for a while).
ducks
03-07-2009, 08:47 PM
surgery will fix it
rascal
03-08-2009, 10:19 AM
Gooden is as good a big as we can get...so we'll take it.
I think this pretty much makes the Spurs the favorites in the West to go to the Finals. With all of our injuries and absence of a solid big outside Duncan, we're 40-20 and 2nd in the West. We've had better records after 60 games in the past, but we can't complain at this point. Pop/Duncan aren't guys that you get around and disrupt a team's chemistry...that's the way it's been since '97....so I wouldn't expect that Gooden would "disrupt" team chemistry. Gooden's presence in the paint will stop free layups and get that extra rebound that we needed last season vs. the Lakers. He's not necessarily an All-Star caliber player, but neither was Gasol when he came in to the Lakers. Like Gasol, Gooden will be there for offensive rebounds/putbacks, and some blocks here and there. Again, we didn't need an All-Star or anything, just a guy to grab a rebound or two.
Disagree. Gooden does not make the spurs the favorites. Gooden is not a defensive interior intimidator. Gooden will be a solid rebounder and bring a little low post scoring. Gasol is a far better all around player.
Biggems
03-08-2009, 10:36 AM
Is Gooden going to be just a hired gun, a ringer, or is he going to be with the Spurs beyond this season?
Spursmania
03-08-2009, 10:41 AM
Is Gooden going to be just a hired gun, a ringer, or is he going to be with the Spurs beyond this season?
I think only his performance for the remainder of the season and the play-offs will determine Gooden's future in SA, and he knows that too.:toast
Biggems
03-08-2009, 11:46 AM
so lets say he finishes the remainder of the season and ends up being like a 10 pt 8 rb guy. Do you feel the Spurs will make him in offer in the offseason?
Biggems
03-08-2009, 12:00 PM
I will admit, I didn't want to sign Gooden. However, he is here, and so now I hope he succeeds as a Spur. I hope he is able to bring something to the front court that we have been lacking for a while. I hope his addition will be enough to give us enough juice to take on the Lakers, Celtics, and Cavs in a 7 game series.
If we are able to then re-sign Gooden in the offseason, I really like the way our roster will be shaping up.
C - Bonner, Ian, Thomas
PF - Duncan, Gooden, Gist
SF - Finley, Bowen,
SG - Mason, Manu, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill,
Yogurt210
03-08-2009, 12:55 PM
I will admit, I didn't want to sign Gooden. However, he is here, and so now I hope he succeeds as a Spur. I hope he is able to bring something to the front court that we have been lacking for a while. I hope his addition will be enough to give us enough juice to take on the Lakers, Celtics, and Cavs in a 7 game series.
If we are able to then re-sign Gooden in the offseason, I really like the way our roster will be shaping up.
C - Bonner, Ian, Thomas
PF - Duncan, Gooden, Gist
SF - Finley, Bowen,
SG - Mason, Manu, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill,
There's no way we can win with Bonner starting.
Coming post-season I hope the starting roster looks like this:
C- Gooden
PF - Duncan
SF - Bowen
SG - Ginobili
PG - Parker
2nd group
C -Thomas
PF - Oberto
SF - Finley
SG - Mason
PG - Hill
Ginobili really needs to start along with Bowen.
No more damn experimenting with line-ups come playoff time, for reals.
Ginobili provides that triple threat which makes the other teams make decisions on who to focus on. Bowen will keep the other star in check from the start allowing for single man-man coverage. Gooden is a very capable defender, really mobile compared to Bonner. Bonner should be used in a situational line-up. Let our main players start to rebuild that chemistry. The 2nd group is more than reliable to keep us afloat while starters get a breather.
c'mon Pop, nuff of the moving around and experimenting. time to get solid. :flag:
completely deck
03-08-2009, 01:29 PM
No more damn experimenting with line-ups come playoff time, for reals.
When have you ever known Pop to mess with the lineups come playoff time?
djohn14
03-08-2009, 01:38 PM
Is he playing today?
Spurs9
03-08-2009, 01:44 PM
I hope so, I wanna see him live.
Biggems
03-08-2009, 02:03 PM
There's no way we can win with Bonner starting.
Coming post-season I hope the starting roster looks like this:
C- Gooden
PF - Duncan
SF - Bowen
SG - Ginobili
PG - Parker
2nd group
C -Thomas
PF - Oberto
SF - Finley
SG - Mason
PG - Hill
Ginobili really needs to start along with Bowen.
No more damn experimenting with line-ups come playoff time, for reals.
Ginobili provides that triple threat which makes the other teams make decisions on who to focus on. Bowen will keep the other star in check from the start allowing for single man-man coverage. Gooden is a very capable defender, really mobile compared to Bonner. Bonner should be used in a situational line-up. Let our main players start to rebuild that chemistry. The 2nd group is more than reliable to keep us afloat while starters get a breather.
c'mon Pop, nuff of the moving around and experimenting. time to get solid. :flag:
Yeah cause Bonner has done absolutely nothing as a starter this year........sheesh, just cause you dont like the guy, doesnt mean you cant be objective. Hell, I wanted him off the team prior to the season. However, he has opened my eyes. I am glad he is finally getting consistent minutes. If not for his offense, we would be struggling to make the playoffs.
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