So, is the...

[Yonivore]

...fucking honeymoon over? Are we allowed to criticize The One, yet?

I mean, now that Chris Matthews has lost the tingle, can we all admit Obama is as much of a idiot as some of us tried to tell the rest of you for most of the campaign?

Hell, the only thing he's gotten right are those policies, of Bush's, he'd decided not to abandon.

President Bush tries to exit a Chinese stage through the wrong door and it's on the news and late night entertainment shows for days. Hell, inside the span of three days, Obama whacked his head on Marine One and tried to walk through a window at the White House. Those videos barely saw the light of day.

A 24 DVD box set in exchange for a pen set made from the HMS Resolute? Yeah, very nice.

And, for the kids? Replicas of Marine One in exchange for exclusive dolls. Wow! I mean, Wow!

Then you've got the Secretary of State running around the world offending our allies and encouraging our enemies. I did think the button gift to Russia was a nice touch.

Nevermind Geitner, the tax-cheat-cum-head-of-the-IRS is unable to fill any of the 17 undersecretary positions because no one wants get about this flaming ship.

Hell, even Gupta backed out.

Everyone else was too corrupt to serve.

Nice start there Obama.

[Nbadan]

There was a honeymoon?

[Crookshanks]

:lol:tu:tu You go Yoni! And let's not forget that the smartest President ever can't even make a cabinet pick announcement without his teleprompter! :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Sorest losers ever.

All things considered, Obama's doing fine.

[Nbadan]

...he could have lowered the tax-deferments and spent more.............

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, but most of it is nit-picking at this point. Given the fast there has been nothing approaching a realistic alternative offered by anyone else, one can see why his approval rating is high.

[angrydude]

The Republican Slogan in 2012: "what? We're STILL in a recession?"

[Cry Havoc]

...fucking honeymoon over? Are we allowed to criticize The One, yet?

I mean, now that Chris Matthews has lost the tingle, can we all admit Obama is as much of a idiot as some of us tried to tell the rest of you for most of the campaign?

Hell, the only thing he's gotten right are those policies, of Bush's, he'd decided not to abandon.

President Bush tries to exit a Chinese stage through the wrong door and it's on the news and late night entertainment shows for days. Hell, inside the span of three days, Obama whacked his head on Marine One and tried to walk through a window at the White House. Those videos barely saw the light of day.

A 24 DVD box set in exchange for a pen set made from the HMS Resolute? Yeah, very nice.

And, for the kids? Replicas of Marine One in exchange for exclusive dolls. Wow! I mean, Wow!

Then you've got the Secretary of State running around the world offending our allies and encouraging our enemies. I did think the button gift to Russia was a nice touch.

Nevermind Geitner, the tax-cheat-cum-head-of-the-IRS is unable to fill any of the 17 undersecretary positions because no one wants get about this flaming ship.

Hell, even Gupta backed out.

Everyone else was too corrupt to serve.

Nice start there Obama.

It's sad how made up your mind was before he ever took office that he was going to fail.

This economy is not Obama's fault. He can do little to save it at this point. And whatever he does pales in comparison to a political party that elected "W" to the top of the office two times in a row.

[ChumpDumper]

The Republican Slogan in 2012: "what? We're STILL in a recession?"Yep, hoping it never gets better is all you guys have.

[Nbadan]

...if anything this spending bill isn't big enough.......and it won't help Demos in 2010 to pick the people's pocked again, which is exactly what may be needed........

[balli]

I'd rather have Whottt back.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd rather have Whottt back.We'll have to wait for Palin to declare or get her own show on Fox News.

[Creepn]

I notice republicans are the only ones calling him the "one". Anyway, cant really criticize the President since I pretty much approve what's hes doing. In fact, I think he's a great president.

You have no idea why the candidates are backing out from the positions. Some been dropped because of corruption so what the hell is your problem about that?

[MannyIsGod]

They honeymoon ends the day Bush's face is on Mt Rushmore.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I am on the verge of saying that Yoni has a point, but I will always say that he deserves to be shot in the ass with an arrow for saying that rushmore shit.

[SnakeBoy]

A 24 DVD box set in exchange for a pen set made from the HMS Resolute? Yeah, very nice.


The other things are just humorous but insulting our closest ally like that is just wrong. Shit, he should have just given him an amazon gift card.

[Yonivore]

This economy is not Obama's fault. He can do little to save it at this point. And whatever he does pales in comparison to a political party that elected "W" to the top of the office two times in a row.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b372/DonSurber/wind.jpg

[Yonivore]

I am on the verge of saying that Yoni has a point, but I will always say that he deserves to be shot in the ass with an arrow for saying that rushmore shit.
http://powerline.blogspot.com/BushMt.Rushmore.jpg

[Yonivore]

BKIycGw9GiA

[Creepn]

BKIycGw9GiA



That's the big bump everyone is talking about? That is so weak! That was more of a graze than a bump.

The Urkel pic is funny though lol.

[LnGrrrR]

...fucking honeymoon over? Are we allowed to criticize The One, yet?

I mean, now that Chris Matthews has lost the tingle, can we all admit Obama is as much of a idiot as some of us tried to tell the rest of you for most of the campaign?

Hell, the only thing he's gotten right are those policies, of Bush's, he'd decided not to abandon.

President Bush tries to exit a Chinese stage through the wrong door and it's on the news and late night entertainment shows for days. Hell, inside the span of three days, Obama whacked his head on Marine One and tried to walk through a window at the White House. Those videos barely saw the light of day.

A 24 DVD box set in exchange for a pen set made from the HMS Resolute? Yeah, very nice.

And, for the kids? Replicas of Marine One in exchange for exclusive dolls. Wow! I mean, Wow!

Then you've got the Secretary of State running around the world offending our allies and encouraging our enemies. I did think the button gift to Russia was a nice touch.

Nevermind Geitner, the tax-cheat-cum-head-of-the-IRS is unable to fill any of the 17 undersecretary positions because no one wants get about this flaming ship.

Hell, even Gupta backed out.

Everyone else was too corrupt to serve.

Nice start there Obama.

Is it time to change your nappy again? Already? My goodness.

[LnGrrrR]

Remember everyone...

9/11 wasn't Bush's fault... it was Clinton's! If only he had tried to get OBL before, or had authorized a strike where he was, or something like that... you can't blame Bush for 9/11!

But the economy is totally all Obama's fault. You can take that one to the bank.

WHICH IS GIONG TO BEE NATINZLAIZED SOON! *grabbing pitchforks and burning torches*

[baseline bum]

Why do you hate America?

[Man of Steel]

Sore losers.

Sore losers.

Keep on whining.

Remember:

Go look in the mirror...

and repeat those words...

[Ignignokt]

It's sad how made up your mind was before he ever took office that he was going to fail.

This economy is not Obama's fault. He can do little to save it at this point. And whatever he does pales in comparison to a political party that elected "W" to the top of the office two times in a row.


yeah i know, had this been bush's first term, there wouldn't have been any of that.

[Ignignokt]

actually yoni has a definite point.

To be fair, obama hasn't had time to implement all his policies.

But, he highlighted an obvious point.

Obama will get a free pass for every little "oopsie" that occurs from now on.

And CBF sees this too.

Bush allowed wiretapping, Nbadan, and the rest were quick to want him removed.

Obama allows it, "well we will agree to disagree."

Face it, outside of fox news and talk radio which only makes up 15% of the total media.

Bush would trade the 15% blowjobs of Fox and talk radio for what obama gets from 85% from The Network news, cable channels, Print mags, Newspapers, Blogs, Entertainment Media etc.

Call it bitching, but its the dang truth son.

[Winehole23]

Bush allowed wiretapping, Nbadan, and the rest were quick to want him removed.

Obama allows it, "well we will agree to disagree."Not true on Spurstalk that I can see. Plenty of people still sore about it. Notorious ST libs are down on Obama for this.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115140&highlight=FISA

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3054478&postcount=6

[MannyIsGod]

actually yoni has a definite point.

To be fair, obama hasn't had time to implement all his policies.

But, he highlighted an obvious point.

Obama will get a free pass for every little "oopsie" that occurs from now on.

And CBF sees this too.

Bush allowed wiretapping, Nbadan, and the rest were quick to want him removed.

Obama allows it, "well we will agree to disagree."

Face it, outside of fox news and talk radio which only makes up 15% of the total media.

Bush would trade the 15% blowjobs of Fox and talk radio for what obama gets from 85% from The Network news, cable channels, Print mags, Newspapers, Blogs, Entertainment Media etc.

Call it bitching, but its the dang truth son.

Maybe it was the sum of Bush's actions. Maybe it isn't an isolated action here and there but rather the accumulation of horrible policy after horrible policy. Obama has spent most of his time to date rolling back Bush policies and while the wiretapping shit isn't good, we knew that about him going in and it wasn't a surprise. That doesn't mean I like it, but I knew what it was and I'll live with it if other things are fixed.

[xrayzebra]

This economy is not Obama's fault. He can do little to save it at this point. And whatever he does pales in comparison to a political party that elected "W" to the top of the office two times in a row.


Is that right? His announcement of cap and trade doesn't affect the market? His
announcement that we are going to alternate energy regardless of outcome doesn't
affect the market? His announcement that he going to raise taxes on those
making over 250 grand to about 49 percent, total, doesn't affect the market?

Obama has done just about everything he can to depress the market, all markets,
his plans has taken over most of the financial markets, banking and mortgage,
the U.S. car market, he is going to tell us what we can drive, he has taken over
management of energy, his cap and trade, if enacted will impose a tax on all
consumers. His unionization of all American workers program will put a damper
on business. And now he has a program working to make all employers with over
10 workers to take money out their workers checks and put it in savings, unless,
the worker opts out. How bout that sports fans.

Don't you just love Liberals, they want to control every aspects of your life. No
smoking, no sugar, no fats, little cars, seat belts, compulsory insurance, car seats,
no lead in paint, suffer the little animals, no dams, no carbon, no breathing, no
farting. Tax the hell out of everything. And take care of the poor of course.

[balli]

His announcement that he going to raise taxes on those making over 250 grand to about 49 percent, total, doesn't affect the market? You're either a fucking idiot, or a liar. Actually both, because that isn't happening. I didn't read the rest of your post, but I'll assume it contained equally absurb mis-information. GTFO Ray, it was nice having you gone.

[xrayzebra]

You're either a fucking idiot, or a liar. Actually both, because that isn't happening. I didn't read the rest of your post, but I'll assume it contained equally absurb mis-information. GTFO Ray, it was nice having you gone.

Well let's see. He wants to go back to what for people making over
250 grand. Income tax: 39.9 percent, raise the cap on FICA and
medicare for all making over 106 grand, some tax cut for those making
less than 250 grand, huh? FICA and Medicare 7.65 (that is if they are
working for someone else, if self-employed they will pay both halves)
and another little jewel, capital gains tax for those over 250 grand of
raise the tax from 10 to 15 percent. Can you figure out what the
RICH will be paying........simple math, stupid.

So Huffer-puffer get your head out of where the sun don't shine
and learn a little something. The taxes could go up to 51 percent.

Damn.

That's okay, I accept your apology.

[Yonivore]

You're either a fucking idiot, or a liar. Actually both, because that isn't happening. I didn't read the rest of your post, but I'll assume it contained equally absurb mis-information. GTFO Ray, it was nice having you gone.
Actually, he's raising taxes on everyone...well, everyone that either gives charitably or uses energy.

His cut of the charitable contributions deduction raises everyone's (who give) taxable income thus, raising their taxes.

His cap and trade scheme will double to quintuple energy costs. If you think your light bill is high now, just wait.

Tell me this Ballijuna...if the markets are failing because of the banking and housing crisis, why hasn't he or Geitner proposed one thing to resolve it? Why is, all of a sudden, education, energy, and health care the answer to the failing markets? Who does most of the money in the "stimulus" bill go to pet liberal projects that won't re-infuse the money into the economy for, in some cases, over a year?

A cynic could conclude that Obama isn't "wasting this crisis" and is, instead, using it to advance a socialist agenda. He seems so perky when talking about the latest depressing market tumbles...

Why are market experts -- some of whom voted for Obama -- now questioning either his sanity or motives?

Why can't he get 17 undersecretaries of the Treasury appointed? Why are others backing out of appointments? Why can't he seem to find a political appointee without a scandal? Why do Rahm Emmanuel (White House Chief of Staff), George Stephanopoulos (ABC News) [who is omitted in all the news stories about this daily ritual], Paul Begala (Clinton lap dog), James Carville (another Clinton lap dog), and Stan Greenberg (Pollster) talk every morning? Every morning. More importantly, why is the press not more critical of this "cabal" of a liberal think tank? Imagine if a Republican President's Chief of Staff did this?

The same cynic could conclude these people are strategizing on how to whitewash Obama's mistakes and demonize his opponents. Hell, it doesn't even really take a cynic. In the articles I've read (that conveniently omit George Stephanopoulos's name) they admit to talking about how to respond to their critics.

What is going on at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? Besides, that is, Michelle Obama sending some lackey to the White House gift shop to pick up trinkets for visiting dignitaries' children?

[Yonivore]

Maybe it was the sum of Bush's actions. Maybe it isn't an isolated action here and there but rather the accumulation of horrible policy after horrible policy. Obama has spent most of his time to date rolling back Bush policies and while the wiretapping shit isn't good, we knew that about him going in and it wasn't a surprise. That doesn't mean I like it, but I knew what it was and I'll live with it if other things are fixed.
Other than changing Bush's approach to the financial crisis -- with devastating results to the markets and changing policy on stem-cell research, exactly what has Obama changed?

His policy on Iraq is the same, he just repackaged it. His 19 month pull out of troops is meaningless if, when the time comes, instability dictates we stay longer.

His policies on national security, treatment of detainees, rendition, etc...all the same as Bush's; regardless of what you hear him say, he isn't changing the war on terror.

So, yeah, he's changed Bush's domestic agenda ... and to devastating results.

Big fucking hope and change.

As Bill Clinton said a couple of weeks ago, "Where's the hope?"

[ChumpDumper]

An administration discussing how to mitigate mistakes and deal with opponents?

You think this is somehow a new thing?

You're an idiot.

[Yonivore]

Not true on Spurstalk that I can see. Plenty of people still sore about it. Notorious ST libs are down on Obama for this.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115140&highlight=FISA

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3054478&postcount=6
Are you calling for congressional hearings, frog marches, and show trials?

Yeah, didn't think so.

[balli]

I'll rip both of you apart later, easily, right now I'm going to Costco.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm actually starting to think announcing all the tax hikes two years early is a smart move. If the markets are truly taking a shit because of them, they can't do so later -- it's not like investors can say it took them by surprise.

[Yonivore]

I'll rip both of you apart later, easily, right now I'm going to Costco.
Don't forget to pick up a teleprompter.

[Yonivore]

Look, I'll grant this; for those in here who want socialism...nationalized health care, energy policy and education...this President is singing your song and I'll understand, from here to eternity, your position in defending him.

But, don't expect the rest of us to take it lying down.

Obama isn't addressing the crisis. He's using it to advance an agenda.

[xrayzebra]

They let him in COSTCO, I thought that was an upscale shopping warehouse.

[ChumpDumper]

Look, I'll grant this; for those in here who want socialism...nationalized health care, energy policy and education...this President is singing your song and I'll understand, from here to eternity, your position in defending him.

But, don't expect the rest of us to take it lying down.

Obama isn't addressing the crisis. He's using it to advance an agenda.He isn't addressing the crisis the way Republicans want to, which is -- oh, that's right -- we never heard anything from Republicans.

We can read their earmarks though. They speak louder than anything.

Fiscally responsible in the midst of a crisis, right?

[jack sommerset]

He isn't addressing the crisis the way Republicans want to, which is -- oh, that's right -- we never heard anything from Republicans.

We can read their earmarks though. They speak louder than anything.

Fiscally responsible in the midst of a crisis, right?

And we heard President Obama say over and over and over and over "no earmarks,no pet projects,if you elect me I will go line by line and make sure no earmarks" Over 8,000...Holy shit.

You people can spin this however you want but what you can't defend is that Obama is a liar. Plain and simple. He lied. You can say "BUSH" you can say other politicians, you can say he won the election so he can do what he wants but what you can't say is he is truthful.

As the days and months pass you will continue to see Obama for what he is. A dirty politician that did and said anything and everything to get elected. Now that its here you see his lies and inexperience.

[ChumpDumper]

So you expected him to veto any bill with even one earmark?

This is politics. So far he's gotten his legislation through. He's got four years to curb earmarks.

As for being a liar, what politician isn't?

[jack sommerset]

So you expected him to veto any bill with even one earmark?

This is politics. So far he's gotten his legislation through. He's got four years to curb earmarks.

As for being a liar, what politician isn't?

Ridiculous man. It has 8,000 earmarks not 1. He isn't going to curve earmarks, Holy fuck. Nothing in his life says he will do anything. Look at the guys voting record as a senator. Nothing. Look how many times he voted freaken present. Not yes,not no but present.

This is crazy that he is the president. Seriously. Its nuts. How bout demand ur politicians to tell the truth. How bout everyone who voted for Obama say "Son, you lied to our nation" and contact their local congressman and the state senators and tell them not to vote for anything this guy lied about. If they do get rid of them.

"So you expected him to veto any bill with even one earmark?" Really. Thats ur comment. 8,000 and you say this. Unreal. Seriously UNREAL.


Instead of making excuses for Obama, acknowledge he is a fraud or atleast lied to those people who voted for him expecting a actual change in politics, not the same BS and spending a trillion dollars while doing it. Be upset about it. Do something about it. I do

Honestly I really think people have no clue how much he is fucking this nation up. This is really sad. I feel so bad for our country.

[Ignignokt]

Not true on Spurstalk that I can see. Plenty of people still sore about it. Notorious ST libs are down on Obama for this.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115140&highlight=FISA

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3054478&postcount=6

First of all, you didn't get my point. I did point out that liberals disagreed with Obama, just that they are more lenient towards obama than bush.

When Bush allowed wiretapping, it was seen as an impeachable offense.

[Ignignokt]

Maybe it was the sum of Bush's actions. Maybe it isn't an isolated action here and there but rather the accumulation of horrible policy after horrible policy. Obama has spent most of his time to date rolling back Bush policies and while the wiretapping shit isn't good, we knew that about him going in and it wasn't a surprise. That doesn't mean I like it, but I knew what it was and I'll live with it if other things are fixed.

was the wiretapping an impeachable offense?

[Ignignokt]

So you expected him to veto any bill with even one earmark?

This is politics. So far he's gotten his legislation through. He's got four years to curb earmarks.

As for being a liar, what politician isn't?

You're right, this is politics. THough Obama said he was going to be a different politician. anyway back to your point...

I guess the main qualm is with the 2006 democrat outrage moreso than obama. The democrats and even some moderate republicans were bitching about the republicans sleeping with k street and using earmarks to bload the budget. This was something that they told the american people that should remove the republicans from power.

Earmarks, outrageous spending, etc, those were all tied to republicans and were a reason as to why the republicans should be moved out.

Not only that, but it was the republican deficits that were blamed for the devaluation of the dollar. So what do the democrats do? they promise americans to do the opposite, but instead out bloade the republicans in govt spending and earmarks.

now with obama, he spoke out of both sides of his mouth(Hypocrisy when republicans do it, Payback's a bitch when Democrats do it -Winehole23 productions). On the campaign trail and on network news, he ripped republicans, while on the debates he diminished the importance of earmarks since they only make up a small percentage of the budget.

If you really want change, you're going to have to start holding your side accountable is all we're saying, or else expect buisiness as usual and a republican resurgence in 8-12 yrs.

[Wild Cobra]

But the economy is totally all Obama's fault. You can take that one to the bank.

No, it's the democrats fault as a party. For years talking it down, making people believe it. Confidence is a large factor of the economy. The democrats have been saying that president Bush has been hurting it. In medicine, we call it the placebo effect. This economic fear has kept the economy from growing as good as it should have for some years now.

The housing crisis. The biggest market bubble in history broke. Republicans as a whole tried to change regulations to prevent it as far back as 2003 and beyond. Democrats managed to block the attempts.

Now enter the presidency of a liberal with a liberal congress. Talk about increasing taxes on the wealth builders of this nation and those who provide jobs. Spending future money, giving it to the same people who bankrupt their companies. It's now gone. I total waste. There is no hope for those who have money. Only fear, so they shelter it. This years tax revenues will pale compared to previous years, and the more destructive that the democrats have towards the freedom of Americans who achieve, the worse things will become.

This government is driving this nation to the lowest common denominator. Gone is the American Heart. Liberals don't have a clue of what patriotism is. In the attempt's to help losers, they take away the freedom to fail. In taking away the freedom to fail, the freedom to seceded diminishes.

Yes. The current economy is Obama's fault. The first bailout should have been a clear indication not to fuck with market forces. Follow what;s happening. Each of the talk about what's in these bailouts, followed by passing them drives consumer confidence and the markets farther into the Abyss.

I only wonder how far the markets must fall before I can start investing in stocks again. For me, this is a mixed blessing. My job isn't going anywhere. I will be employed. I have not wavered from contributing 15% of my pay to my retirement. I have lost value in my old investments, rebalanced my mix, and my last statement shows just below a 1% gain. When I feel like we are near the market bottom, I am changing my asset allocation back to all stocks. I now believe that will between 5000 to 6000 of the DOW. Regardless, the market will rise at some point unless this administration manages to destroy this country. If that happens, it doesn't matter. I may be one that dies in the next civil war against Marxism. I will fight for my country. As long as the democrats don't destroy us, my retirement will see a real nice boost in value.

[jack sommerset]

You're right, this is politics. THough Obama said he was going to be a different politician. anyway back to your point...

I guess the main qualm is with the 2006 democrat outrage moreso than obama. The democrats and even some moderate republicans were bitching about the republicans sleeping with k street and using earmarks to bload the budget. This was something that they told the american people that should remove the republicans from power.

Earmarks, outrageous spending, etc, those were all tied to republicans and were a reason as to why the republicans should be moved out.

Not only that, but it was the republican deficits that were blamed for the devaluation of the dollar. So what do the democrats do? they promise americans to do the opposite, but instead out bloade the republicans in govt spending and earmarks.

now with obama, he spoke out of both sides of his mouth(Hypocrisy when republicans do it, Payback's a bitch when Democrats do it -Winehole23 productions). On the campaign trail and on network news, he ripped republicans, while on the debates he diminished the importance of earmarks since they only make up a small percentage of the budget.

If you really want change, you're going to have to start holding your side accountable is all we're saying, or else expect buisiness as usual and a republican resurgence in 8-12 yrs.

Nicely said. It won't be 8-12 years but 4 the way this man is going. People don't get that there are republicans and democrats. They vote that way no matter what. The people who made Obama president were neither. They wanted a change and believed this guys BS and now are still backing him to a point. Not much of one but a point. This shit he is pulling the first 60 days of his presidency is fucking crazy. I am over the fact the guy had no expierence. Here he is now and just straight up lying and hurting our families and our country.

[MannyIsGod]

was the wiretapping an impeachable offense?

No and I'm fairly certain you can't find a post where I even said anything nearly close to that.

[Cry Havoc]

was the wiretapping an impeachable offense?

The vitriol and misinformation you who hate Obama are spewing forth in this thread is disgusting. It's worthless at this point to even argue with you. It's so incredibly irritating and pathetic that you would, not knowing who I am or anything about my political affiliations, assume that I am going to give Obama a free pass for the entirety of his term. You are a fool for making such a stupid assumption about my political ideals just because it makes it easier for you to distance and disparage people who disagree with you. You are a fool for deciding unilaterally that you are going to decide that you know ahead of time what I feel about this administration. You are an incredible fool for attempting to call out the president after he has barely taken office. Most of all though, you are a fool for valuing partisanship above country. You would RATHER Obama fails, not because it would help this country, but because it would give you the right to say, "I told you so."

Fuck you, you small little people. Grow up and learn to view those who have a differing view as someone worthy of your time, instead of your pathetic, pithy little diatribes about how horrible he's going to be. Your ability to sink to the absolute lowest denominator in order to prove that you're right is appalling. Apparently Obama gets 60 days of leniency from you, while it took the majority of republicans SEVEN YEARS to admit that Bush was indeed a completely inept leader.

This is my last post in this forum for a while. I'm tired of hearing the same stupid, completely inaccurate falsehoods leveled against our president. IF he sucks a year or two from now, I will absolutely call him out, the same way I did felt after being an ardent Bush supporter who wanted to believe that he really did care about this country. Fuck you for insinuating that "libs" on this board never supported Bush (92% in 2001) and worship Obama (yet to approach what, 65%?).

You are EXACTLY what's wrong with this country, and it makes me sick that you would put such short-sighted partisanship above actually hoping for something positive to come out of the Obama administration. And if you don't like my generalizations? Fuck you, I don't enjoy being lumped in with "libs", with "Obama worshippers", or with the Democrats. Both parties suck right now, so get off your invisible high horse and actually TRY to be a decent person when it comes to supporting your country. I realize that's pretty close to impossible for most of you, but just try.

[Ignignokt]

No and I'm fairly certain you can't find a post where I even said anything nearly close to that.


thank you, just a simple question. Others like nbadan did.

[Ignignokt]

The vitriol and misinformation you who hate Obama are spewing forth in this thread is disgusting.

where did i spew vitriol and misinformation in this thread , where??


It's worthless at this point to even argue with you. It's so incredibly irritating and pathetic that you would, not knowing who I am or anything about my political affiliations, assume that I am going to give Obama a free pass for the entirety of his term.

RIF.

I didn't assume anything of you. I just point that bush had the same heckling in his first administration. There was no obama bashing, no criticizing his policies, or me assuming anything of you in that post i addressed towards you. If you feel indicted and guilty of that accusation, than that says more about you than me


You are a fool for making such a stupid assumption about my political ideals just because it makes it easier for you to distance and disparage people who disagree with you.

Whose the fool now, i didn't make any assumption about your belief, furthermore you assumed i want this country to fail so obama would look stupid. First of all, i have been upbeat about the economic recession, i even called Extra stout an buttwipe for spreading doom and gloom about the economy. http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118191

Start with yourself first.



You are a fool for deciding unilaterally that you are going to decide that you know ahead of time what I feel about this administration. You are an incredible fool for attempting to call out the president after he has barely taken office. Most of all though, you are a fool for valuing partisanship above country. You would RATHER Obama fails, not because it would help this country, but because it would give you the right to say, "I told you so."

For you to cry about that, provide me the link where i've said that.

Remember you're the one leveling accusations of me assuming stuff about you.

It would be shameful for you to do the same thing not once but more than twice in this thread already.

Prove me wrong... Hypocrite.




Fuck you, you small little people. Grow up and learn to view those who have a differing view as someone worthy of your time, instead of your pathetic, pithy little diatribes about how horrible he's going to be. Your ability to sink to the absolute lowest denominator in order to prove that you're right is appalling. Apparently Obama gets 60 days of leniency from you, while it took the majority of republicans SEVEN YEARS to admit that Bush was indeed a completely inept leader.

"To be fair, obama hasn't had time to implement all his policies." THis is what i said in post #26 of this thread. That's more assumptions from you dipwad.



This is my last post in this forum for a while.

Awesome. Nobody will miss you.


I'm tired of hearing the same stupid, completely inaccurate falsehoods leveled against our president. IF he sucks a year or two from now, I will absolutely call him out, the same way I did felt after being an ardent Bush supporter who wanted to believe that he really did care about this country. Fuck you for insinuating that "libs" on this board never supported Bush (92% in 2001) and worship Obama (yet to approach what, 65%?).

Bush's term did not start on September the 11th, furthermore, Obama hasn't had anything like 911 happen to where the country would support him in that high range. This always happens in prewar time, Check out Bush Sr's ratings during the gulf war.

Bush was lampooned in the begining of his administration for ticky tacky stuff. Sorry, this isn't vitriol or misinformation. It's fact. Deal with it like a grown man, or leave the board you drama queen.



You are EXACTLY what's wrong with this country, and it makes me sick that you would put such short-sighted partisanship above actually hoping for something positive to come out of the Obama administration. And if you don't like my generalizations? Fuck you, I don't enjoy being lumped in with "libs", with "Obama worshippers", or with the Democrats. Both parties suck right now, so get off your invisible high horse and actually TRY to be a decent person when it comes to supporting your country. I realize that's pretty close to impossible for most of you, but just try.

You need this quote more than i do.

Get off your high horse and prove me wrong. Hypocrite.

[whottt]

I'd rather have Whottt back.

You rang? You only think you want me back...I can fix that in a single post if I want...easily.

I will be back, Chump's right that I don't post much unless it's an election year or a midterm, the rest of the time it's boring and tedious and I go months without watching the news...

Right now I'm pretty satisfied that people are becoming disillusioned with Obama and aren't hypnotized, because blind stupidity can never lead anywhere good IMHO and that the ultimate outcome of the Iraq war will be a positive for that region of the world...and I feel pretty good that it will at this point.

I do have one observation...I was unsure of just what Obama really was, simply a naive dude that wanted to be President for the sake of being President...or some dude with a radical socialist agenda...he's definitely the naive dude that just wanted to be President and frankly I think he's annoyed with the responsibilities of it. I don't think that's neccessarily better than being a radical socialist, but at least I know what he is now. Regardless of what he is, I have no doubt about what his big money backers are...and they are not good for this country long term, because they are outwardly corrupt as opposed to the proper internally corrupt that has served this country so well for so long. Hopefully he'll realize it.


I'll say one other thing that I've started to think about...it actually won't surprise me if Obama doesn't run for re-election. I think it's possible he won't. This guy wants everbody to like him, and he picked worst job in the world for someone who truly wants that. There are no words he can speak that will make everyone like him in this job...I don't care how good of a talker he is, or what his actions are.

So I don't think he's the second coming of Carter anymore really(and that's a very good thing)....but he's looking more like the second coming of LBJ with each passing day.

This is all just a preliminary superficial observation at this point...I'll have more to say on it as soon as I get out the hole I'm in in one of my classes.

[jack sommerset]

This is my last post in this forum for a while.


Thank you. I know I will be smarter for this. You my friend and I think with time off to get ur head right will agree with me are a fucking idiot. Get the time you need. Rest up.

[boutons_]

"socialism...nationalized health care, energy policy and education."

Health care, energy policy, pension/retirement policies are all national projects which the for-profit sector has fucked up fatally.

The for-profit sector will continue to fuck them up and protect their extremely lucrative vested interest in keeping them fucked up.

Education's woes are directly related to the shit salaries tax payers allot to teachers. Pay peanuts, hire monkeys, produce monkey-shit non-students.

Socialism is a fucking stinking robotic red herring, a supposed horror, the right wing slaps non-right wingers in the face with, while fully encouraging the "socialism" of taxpayer subsidies for Big Pharma, MIC, Big Farma, etc, etc. all of which have captured regulatory agencies to continue milking taxpayers.

[Creepn]

Didnt congress say that Obama has no control on whether they put in earmarks or not? For Obama to get that kind of response, he's probably been trying to curb the earmarks.

[Cry Havoc]

where did i spew vitriol and misinformation in this thread , where??



RIF.

I didn't assume anything of you. I just point that bush had the same heckling in his first administration. There was no obama bashing, no criticizing his policies, or me assuming anything of you in that post i addressed towards you. If you feel indicted and guilty of that accusation, than that says more about you than me



Whose the fool now, i didn't make any assumption about your belief, furthermore you assumed i want this country to fail so obama would look stupid. First of all, i have been upbeat about the economic recession, i even called Extra stout an buttwipe for spreading doom and gloom about the economy. http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118191

Start with yourself first.




For you to cry about that, provide me the link where i've said that.

Remember you're the one leveling accusations of me assuming stuff about you.

It would be shameful for you to do the same thing not once but more than twice in this thread already.

Prove me wrong... Hypocrite.





"To be fair, obama hasn't had time to implement all his policies." THis is what i said in post #26 of this thread. That's more assumptions from you dipwad.




Awesome. Nobody will miss you.



Bush's term did not start on September the 11th, furthermore, Obama hasn't had anything like 911 happen to where the country would support him in that high range. This always happens in prewar time, Check out Bush Sr's ratings during the gulf war.

Bush was lampooned in the begining of his administration for ticky tacky stuff. Sorry, this isn't vitriol or misinformation. It's fact. Deal with it like a grown man, or leave the board you drama queen.


You need this quote more than i do.

Get off your high horse and prove me wrong. Hypocrite.

Sorry iggy, my post wasn't directed at you. It was more at the people who take every chance to rip on Obama, which to this point has not been you. To be honest, I forgot I even quoted you at the beginning. I realize that it probably sounded like everything I said was directed at you. I will say that I am gravely in error as far as that goes. Oops. :depressed Everything else still stands for some of the buffoons post here.

[boutons_]

Earmarks don't amount to shit, a miniscule %age of total govt.

Another right-wing red herring of pure demagoguery and rabble rousing the radical right-wing shrinking base (like their shrinking dicks).

Ear marks always were, ear marks always will be.

Ear marks are how politicians buy votes from the dollar-grubbing-first-last-always constituents, aka, YOU PEOPLE.

[coyotes_geek]

"socialism...nationalized health care, energy policy and education."

Health care, energy policy, pension/retirement policies are all national projects which the for-profit sector has fucked up fatally.

The for-profit sector will continue to fuck them up and protect their extremely lucrative vested interest in keeping them fucked up.


Considering social security and medicare are about $60 trillion in the hole the government has fucked up health care, pensions and retirement far greater than the for-profit sector ever could. As for energy policy, it's not the for-profit's sector responsibility to have one. Well at least not one other than to turn a profit selling energy, which they're actually quite good at.

[boutons_]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/images/homepage/logos/twp_logo_300.gif (http://www.washingtonpost.com/)

GOP Looks to Escalate Attacks on Obama

Spending Offers A Prime Target

By Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 8, 2009; A04


Last month, House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/b000589/) (R-Ohio) repeatedly excoriated House Democrats for what he considered flaws in the economic stimulus plan, rarely mentioning President Obama, one of the chief architects of the bill.

But as Congress considers a bill to fund federal agencies, legislation largely hashed out last year before Obama was elected, Boehner has shifted his aim from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other.

"He is the president of United States; it takes the signature of the president for this to become law," Boehner said, referring to a provision that includes thousands of congressionally mandated projects, or earmarks, that Obama criticized during his campaign. "So the president ought to keep his campaign promise."

( Any Repugs' name on any of those 1000s of earmarks? )

During the president's first few weeks in office, many congressional Republicans avoided sharp criticism of him, instead condemning Democratic congressional leaders, particularly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/p000197/) (D-Calif.), while praising Obama for reaching out to the GOP.

Hey, Whott-the-Fuck, here's your answer:

But in the past week, Republicans have increasingly taken on Obama: criticizing a letter he wrote to Russian leaders asking for their help in stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons, a move the GOP characterized as unwise; knocking his remark comparing the stock market's fluctuations to political polls; and denouncing his proposals to fix the economy that Republicans say amount to a federal "spending spree."

And with Obama looking to push his budget proposal through Congress over the next few weeks, the Republicans are promising to directly confront the new president on his proposals, even as party members acknowledge the risk of taking on a man whose favorability rating in a recent poll was 42 points higher than that of the Republican Party.
"There is no point in triangulation when it comes to his budget," Boehner told a group of his House members last week in a closed-door meeting, referring to the previous strategy of trying to isolate congressional Democrats from Obama. "It's the president's budget. His name is on it."

Republicans are on the offensive against the popular chief executive at a point when they lack a chief spokesman and remain divided among figures offering competing visions for the party's future, including radio personality Rush Limbaugh and Republican National Committee Chairman Michael S. Steele. But the party has unified around the theme of limiting increases in government spending.

"It's risky because the president is popular and because of his charisma," said Rep. Mark Souder (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/s001143/) (R-Ind.). "And when you don't have a single spokesman, it's hard to communicate. But there is a sharp philosophical divide."

GOP officials said they would avoid personal attacks against Obama. "It has to be about the policies," said Rep. Jack Kingston (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/k000220/) (R-Ga.).

:lol :lol :lol I'm sure the Magik Negro is enjoying that joke!

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the White House is eager to work with Republicans and that bitter partisan politics have been rejected by the American people.

"We're looking to work with folks on both sides of the aisle," he said. "If someone wants to be constructive or has a good idea to share, we want to talk."

Some Republicans said they will look to work with Obama on issues on which they can reach agreement with him.

"There are lot of things he campaigned on we can agree with," said Rep. Kevin McCarthy (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m001165/) (R-Calif.), the chief deputy whip for House Republicans, citing Obama's concerns about wasteful spending.

( wasteful spending is Dem ear marks, while Repug earmarks are not wasteful, nor is $600B defense budget aka MIC corporate welfare )

But on issues on which they disagree, Republicans say it makes more sense to contrast with Obama than Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/r000146/) (D-Nev.).

"People don't really know who Pelosi and Reid are," Souder said. "If people think the president is in charge, you have to at some point take him on. They're his ideas."

At the same time, Republicans are wary of appearing to be a party that simply opposes Obama. David Winston, a GOP strategist who advises House Republicans, said offering alternatives that voters like is crucial to any opposition strategy. He cited the GOP's success last summer in calling for expanded oil drilling to be part of any effort to reduce gas prices.

"When you ask the public, 'Which party do you have more confidence in to handle the issue of the economy?' and in the future they say Republicans, Republicans will be in good shape," Winston said. "Right now, public polling has Republicans trailing in that question."

Ron Bonjean, who was a spokesman for House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/h000323/) (R-Ill.), said Republicans are smart to oppose Obama's economic vision, but he questioned whether they have found the right proposals to offer as alternatives.

"Are they also connecting with Americans who have serious financial anxiety?" he asked.

Party strategists said that while the stimulus opposition unified all but three Republicans in Congress, it was not clear that Republicans had articulated their alternative proposals, which focused on larger tax-cut provisions and less direct government spending.

( :lol :lol :lol Both ideas are proven losers! )

Republicans have already lined up to oppose Obama's budget, but they acknowledge it will be hard to make it clear to the public that they have a vision beyond opposing the president.

(Because the Repugs don't have fucking vision beyond myopic tax cuts)

"One of the challenges that is presented to the minority party is to get heard," Steele said last week on NBC's "Today" show. "We're going to keep pushing it and trying to make as much noise as we can in a positive direction."

( the Repugs have positive direction? :lol )

And on some issues, Republicans might have trouble presenting a unified strategy because they do not agree internally. Although House Republicans have organized a group to produce an alternative to the health-care proposal Obama and congressional Democrats are working on, there are strong differences among Republicans on how to approach the issue.

Souder said Republican opposition will be helped if the details of some of Obama's proposals become unpopular as the public learns more about them.

"The advantage of being in the minority is the incumbent's position sometimes unifies the opposition," he said.

( does he mean "unified" like the Repugs rubber stamping every piece of shit, like the bogus Iraq war, that the WH wanted for 6 years? :lol )

[Ignignokt]

Sorry iggy, my post wasn't directed at you. It was more at the people who take every chance to rip on Obama, which to this point has not been you. To be honest, I forgot I even quoted you at the beginning. I realize that it probably sounded like everything I said was directed at you. I will say that I am gravely in error as far as that goes. Oops. :depressed Everything else still stands for some of the buffoons post here.

Well then forgive my harsh words. We've had our discussions and arguments before, and then i was very sophmoric, so now i can see how you could lump me in with alot of others.

in all honesty though, stick around. You were pretty good in those Pali-Israeli threads.:toast

[Cry Havoc]

Well then forgive my harsh words. We've had our discussions and arguments before, and then i was very sophmoric, so now i can see how you could lump me in with alot of others.

in all honesty though, stick around. You were pretty good in those Pali-Israeli threads.:toast

Heh. Too bad they it's not around anymore! I'd like to go back and read a few of them.

[boutons_]

Lindsey Graham Contradicts Himself On Earmarks In Under A Minute (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/08/lindsey-graham-contradict_n_172857.html)

from HuffingtonPost Full Feed (http://www.google.com/reader/view/feed/http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.huffingtonpost.com%2Fhuffington post%2Fraw_feed) by The Huffington Post News Editors


Moments after declaring that the country needs earmark reform, Sen. Lindsey Graham offered an arduous defense of his own, well, earmarking.

Appearing on NBC's Meet the Press, the South Carolina Republican was asked about his good friend John McCain's pork-focused critique of the omnibus spending bill that was held up in the Senate on Friday.
"We do need earmark reform," said Graham. "I wish [the president] would veto the bill, we'd get back together and come up with the earmark reform process."

Seconds later, however, Graham was reminded that he himself had inserted 37 earmarks in the legislation, including $950,000 for "a convention center in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/08/lindsey-graham-contradict_n_172857.html

:lol :lol :lol Repugs are totally hypocritical assholes, they have NOTHING TO OFFER, so they shovel their bullshit lies at us non-stop.

[jack sommerset]

I am not a Repulican nor a Democrat. I am someone who wants to hold all politicians accountable. This "well they did it so I can do it" bullshit does not fly with me and many Americans. Again Obama was suppose to be something different. He lied. Its a pretty big fucking lie and Americans should be upset and stop acting like kids.

[DarkReign]

Lets see...less than 90 days into his Presidency...

Foreign Policy = Neutral change. A few out of Iraq into Afghanistan.

Domestic Policy = Radical change (or at least plans to). Tax the rich, give to the poor. Raise cost of energy nationwide as some sort of incentive to stop using fossil fuels (or at least not nearly as much). Socialized medicine, check.

Oh yeah, our economy taking the beating of its lifetime amidst the highest unemployment since the 70s (annnnnd climbing), a DOW in total and complete freefall (not much a POTUS, much less a government can do about that), an insolvent banking system, collapsing manufacturing sector.

You know, reading this shit off the top of my head inspires me to have children..

Seriously, you people having children are almost more guilty. What a complete and utter disaster this country is. Not much longer is my guess. Not much longer at all.

LOL @ the people who worked their whole lives and invested what meager amount they could every year only to be completely dicked over by...well, everyone with more money than them. Goddamn am I glad I am under 30. At least now I know where not to put my money. These 50-somethings are quite literally shitting their pants!

They have no means to retire! How does that feel, really? "Yup, I work hard, invest and with my 401k/pension, I can probably retire at 65-ish". EEEHHHH! Wrong. Tough shit. Thems the breaks. You got raped, thats what you get for caring more about whats on television than who runs the country/economy. Ultimate "Fuck you", you think?

Anyone ever think about 65 years old? Thats like....maybe 15 years left to live. Thats what youre working for. Youre working for your last 15 years in this realm of existence. The first 65? Not yours my friend, those are not yours. Those are always for someone else...your family, your job, your wife, your kids with maybe a sprinkling of time for you.

And we wonder why life goes by so quickly.

I dont even know where this post is going anymore. I dont even think it has a point beyond random ramblings in my head.

I guess I'll try and wrap it up...

Much too early to judge Obama. One of the first things I said after it was clear he was going to win was "Ok, time to put the campaign gear away. He's POTUS now and he deserves and should expect all the criticism and cross fire."

So far, he is rightfully being villified for his policies. They are different domestically, they certainly do "change" things (for good or bad, I dont know....Im leaning more toward bad, but again, its early).

IMO, Obama/whomever dont mean shit-on-a-stick right now. Short of the government taking over the major banks (not investing like they are now, straight taking control) or letting them fail, this crisis is only prolonged. Manufacturing will never return to the States unless our cost of living drastically falls and there is only 2 ways to do that....we raise the standard of living of our competitors (HA!..:lmao) or ours falls to some level just above theirs.

Which do you think is more likely? Sad, sad times we slog through in kind. Really, one way or the other this whole thing goes, we're worse off later than we are today, it just depends by how much.

[Nbadan]

It's not like huge year-to-year deficits have been a govt. secret.....trouble is, we should not have run up deficits during economic growth years....Obama is doing the only thing he can at this point..

[Yonivore]

Lets see...less than 90 days into his Presidency...

Foreign Policy = Neutral change. A few out of Iraq into Afghanistan.

Domestic Policy = Radical change (or at least plans to). Tax the rich, give to the poor. Raise cost of energy nationwide as some sort of incentive to stop using fossil fuels (or at least not nearly as much). Socialized medicine, check.

Oh yeah, our economy taking the beating of its lifetime amidst the highest unemployment since the 70s (annnnnd climbing), a DOW in total and complete freefall (not much a POTUS, much less a government can do about that), an insolvent banking system, collapsing manufacturing sector.

You know, reading this shit off the top of my head inspires me to have children..

Seriously, you people having children are almost more guilty. What a complete and utter disaster this country is. Not much longer is my guess. Not much longer at all.

LOL @ the people who worked their whole lives and invested what meager amount they could every year only to be completely dicked over by...well, everyone with more money than them. Goddamn am I glad I am under 30. At least now I know where not to put my money. These 50-somethings are quite literally shitting their pants!

They have no means to retire! How does that feel, really? "Yup, I work hard, invest and with my 401k/pension, I can probably retire at 65-ish". EEEHHHH! Wrong. Tough shit. Thems the breaks. You got raped, thats what you get for caring more about whats on television than who runs the country/economy. Ultimate "Fuck you", you think?

Anyone ever think about 65 years old? Thats like....maybe 15 years left to live. Thats what youre working for. Youre working for your last 15 years in this realm of existence. The first 65? Not yours my friend, those are not yours. Those are always for someone else...your family, your job, your wife, your kids with maybe a sprinkling of time for you.

And we wonder why life goes by so quickly.

I dont even know where this post is going anymore. I dont even think it has a point beyond random ramblings in my head.

I guess I'll try and wrap it up...

Much too early to judge Obama. One of the first things I said after it was clear he was going to win was "Ok, time to put the campaign gear away. He's POTUS now and he deserves and should expect all the criticism and cross fire."

So far, he is rightfully being villified for his policies. They are different domestically, they certainly do "change" things (for good or bad, I dont know....Im leaning more toward bad, but again, its early).

IMO, Obama/whomever dont mean shit-on-a-stick right now. Short of the government taking over the major banks (not investing like they are now, straight taking control) or letting them fail, this crisis is only prolonged. Manufacturing will never return to the States unless our cost of living drastically falls and there is only 2 ways to do that....we raise the standard of living of our competitors (HA!..:lmao) or ours falls to some level just above theirs.

Which do you think is more likely? Sad, sad times we slog through in kind. Really, one way or the other this whole thing goes, we're worse off later than we are today, it just depends by how much.
Holy shit, DR! Call a suicide hotline or something...

But, as for Obama having no influence on the economic state, I disagree and so does a huge Obama supporter with a bit of skin in game. I submit, for your consideration, a pair of quotes:


Obama Says Buffett Has “Shaped” His Ideas. “In last week’s final presidential debate, after Republican John McCain raised questions about his rival’s ties, Sen. Obama said, ‘Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker … who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House.’”



Obama Campaign On Buffett: “We Look Forward To Him Helping Out Our Efforts.” “‘Warren Buffett is a great friend and an important force in the global economic community. We look forward to him helping out our efforts,’ said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.” ()
The blessing of Warren Buffet, the so-called "Oracle of Omaha," was critical in reassuring liberal-leaning members of the capitalist class that it was safe to elect the socialist Barack Obama. Sure, he had a radical past, but Buffet assured his fellow capitalists he didn't mean all that crazy stuff, and that he was A Man We Can Do Business With.

Well. Apparently not so much. Buffet slams Obama's payoff to the unions (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/03/buffett-slams-c.html):


“I think the secret ballot’s pretty important in the country. You know, I’m against card check, to make a perfectly flat statement,..."
And Buffet also slams Obama for taking his eye off the economy (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2009/03/09/kernen-asks-buffett-you-might-not-have-fixed-global-warming-after-d-d) to pursue secondary and tertiary liberal wish-list items:


"If you're in a war, and we really are in an economic war, there's a obligation to the majority to behave in ways to not go around inflaming the minority. If on Dec. 8, or maybe it was Dec. 7, when Roosevelt convened Congress to vote on the war. He didn't say, ‘I'm throwing in about ten of my pet projects...'"
Taking aim at one such issue, interviewer Joe Kernen replied: "You might not have fixed global warming the day after - the day after D-Day, Warren."


"Absolutely..."
He also told Kernen that the Republicans should provide general support for the administration, but that the Democrats should not be pushing "contentious" policies that are not related to solving the nation's economic woes.


"Job one is to win the economic war. Job two is to win the economic war and Job 3. And you can't expect people to unite behind you if you're trying to jam a whole bunch of things down their throats. So I would absolutely say, for the interim until we get this one solved, I would not be pushing a lot of things that, that you know are contentious."
Right. We're in a crisis the likes of which this country's never seen... which is why we have to further hamstring it by imposing a $640 billion tax increase on everything produced in America. Because, you know, in 150 years the Maldives Islands might lose a foot and half of shoreline.

I still would like to hear Obama explain how pumping trillions into government programs is going to stimulate the economy.

The Oracle of Omaha became the Oracle of Obama, and can now count himself as handmaiden of the destruction of the once-potent US capitalist economy.

Thanks a lot Warren. I hope you enjoy the beating your wealth is taking.

[MannyIsGod]

Lets see...less than 90 days into his Presidency...

Foreign Policy = Neutral change. A few out of Iraq into Afghanistan.


Really dude? I mean really? I want to read the rest of your post, but I can't get past this. You should see recent news regarding both Russia and Syria.

[Yonivore]

Really dude? I mean really? I want to read the rest of your post, but I can't get past this. You should see recent news regarding both Russia and Syria.
Not to mention Cuba and Gaza, etc...

[Yonivore]

‘Manchurian Candidate’ Starts War on Business (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=amhpOT5rlR1Y)
Nah, a president can't have any effect on the economy...pish posh.

I think while the moderates are abandoning their ships of Obamania in a fit of buyer's remorse; those of us who knew he would be a disaster all along are debating whether his abysmal performance is diabolical or just plain stupid.

It may not matter, the Ship of State can be driven into an iceberg by an idiot or a maniac.

[boutons_]

Yoni and WC are just flipping out, totally detached from reality.

[Jacob1983]

The honeymoon is definitely over. People are starting to realize that Obama is a mere mortal and not a miracle worker. I honestly believe that a lot of the people that voted for Obama really thought that he was going to fix things very quickly as president. They're opening their eyes and seeing that Obama is not perfect. They have seen that he is a human being just like the rest of us.

[RandomGuy]

‘Manchurian Candidate’ Starts War on Business (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_hassett&sid=amhpOT5rlR1Y)
Nah, a president can't have any effect on the economy...pish posh.

I think while the moderates are abandoning their ships of Obamania in a fit of buyer's remorse; those of us who knew he would be a disaster all along are debating whether his abysmal performance is diabolical or just plain stupid.

It may not matter, the Ship of State can be driven into an iceberg by an idiot or a maniac.

Whatever Obama does or doesn't do, will be 10 times better than a McCain Palin administration.

Good God did we dodge the bullet on that shit sandwich or what?

I have zero "buyers remorse".

None.

Zip.

Zilch.

Keep thinking that, though if it makes you happy. Who am I to pop your delusions?

[RandomGuy]

The honeymoon is definitely over. People are starting to realize that Obama is a mere mortal and not a miracle worker. I honestly believe that a lot of the people that voted for Obama really thought that he was going to fix things very quickly as president. They're opening their eyes and seeing that Obama is not perfect. They have seen that he is a human being just like the rest of us.

.. and a few of us have been saying that since before the election.

[RandomGuy]

Not to mention Cuba and Gaza, etc...

We can't end the Cuban embargo soon enough for me. That has got to be one of the most uselessly failed foreign policy moves we have left over from the Cold War.

[RandomGuy]

You rang? You only think you want me back...I can fix that in a single post if I want...easily.

I will be back, Chump's right that I don't post much unless it's an election year or a midterm, the rest of the time it's boring and tedious and I go months without watching the news...

Right now I'm pretty satisfied that people are becoming disillusioned with Obama and aren't hypnotized, because blind stupidity can never lead anywhere good IMHO and that the ultimate outcome of the Iraq war will be a positive for that region of the world...and I feel pretty good that it will at this point.

I do have one observation...I was unsure of just what Obama really was, simply a naive dude that wanted to be President for the sake of being President...or some dude with a radical socialist agenda...he's definitely the naive dude that just wanted to be President and frankly I think he's annoyed with the responsibilities of it. I don't think that's neccessarily better than being a radical socialist, but at least I know what he is now. Regardless of what he is, I have no doubt about what his big money backers are...and they are not good for this country long term, because they are outwardly corrupt as opposed to the proper internally corrupt that has served this country so well for so long. Hopefully he'll realize it.


I'll say one other thing that I've started to think about...it actually won't surprise me if Obama doesn't run for re-election. I think it's possible he won't. This guy wants everbody to like him, and he picked worst job in the world for someone who truly wants that. There are no words he can speak that will make everyone like him in this job...I don't care how good of a talker he is, or what his actions are.

So I don't think he's the second coming of Carter anymore really(and that's a very good thing)....but he's looking more like the second coming of LBJ with each passing day.

This is all just a preliminary superficial observation at this point...I'll have more to say on it as soon as I get out the hole I'm in in one of my classes.

Watching you analyse things is like watching a dog attempt particle physics by rubbing his butt on a rug.

That is to say: highly amusing, if ultimately fruitless. Don't ever stop man. :lol

[RandomGuy]

The housing crisis. The biggest market bubble in history broke. Republicans as a whole tried to change regulations to prevent it as far back as 2003 and beyond. Democrats managed to block the attempts.

Republicans have never tried to encourage regulation of hedge funds, or the myriad of other things that festered out of the light.

When people like you attempt to completely paint this as one party or another, you make it soooo easy to dismiss 99% of what you say.

Why do you seem to take delight in ruining your credibility with such moronic bias?

[whottt]

Watching you analyse things is like watching a dog attempt particle physics by rubbing his butt on a rug.

Which are still a step above the asskicking you are dealt by the word analyze...both the dog rubbing his butt attempting particle physics, and my analyzezezezezezez.

You little brit you.



That is to say: highly amusing, if ultimately fruitless. Don't ever stop man. :lol
I never will...that said, sometimes it's both more rewarding and easier to work you guys into a tizzy than others.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'm still trying to figure out why Boutons__________ hates america

[DarkReign]

Really dude? I mean really? I want to read the rest of your post, but I can't get past this. You should see recent news regarding both Russia and Syria.

Yes, well, really.

I realize the Obama administration has "reset" negotiations with Russia on the missle defense snafu. Thats a big step, but its only in the negotiation phase...so Neutral.

Syria...cant say much about something I dont know.

But I can comment on Palestine and its Prime Minister resigning (not good for America, supposedly). It puts a huge black eye on what our SoS called "an important American ally" who then subsequently resigned some time after. It is said he resigned as a good faith gesture toward a homogenous government lead by Hamas. IMO, it doesnt matter who is in charge of Palestine's government...because theyre government doesnt run shit. The Imams do. So, Neutral.

I realize this administration's tactics and openess to negotiation are completely 180° from Bush, but it is much too early to say things are incredibly different, IMO.

At least, not yet. That was more my point than anything else. But go ahead and disregard that post anyway. It was more a rambling mess anyway. I have other shit on my mind that far exceeds the news of the day right now and it shows in my posts, tbh.

[implacable44]

"can't let a good crisis go to waste" -- shortly to follow - complete nationalization of banks - People refusing to pay taxes .. Cloning from the stem cell funding - attacks on organized religion ...

I still can;t get over a box of DVD's -- and DVD's that cannot even be used in Europe ? Idiot. then Ears decides to give back the bust of the Great Winston Churchill ? Really ?

[Ignignokt]

and for the record, conservatives wanting british support in no way means we love europe, that's pretty much a shitty characterization of an issue.

It's hard to discuss things like that.

but, ohwell i've been guilty of it before unkowingstly.