View Full Version : Monroe: Mason Feeling Good About Backup Point Role
duncan228
03-10-2009, 11:53 PM
Mason feeling good about backup point role (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Mason_feeling_good_about_backup_point_role.html)
Mike Monroe
Eight days into his new-but-old dual role as the Spurs' starting big guard and backup point guard, Roger Mason Jr. has rediscovered the joy of running an offense.
Mason on Tuesday night had his most productive game of the five he has played since Spurs coach Gregg Popovich decided to have him back up Tony Parker instead of rookie George Hill.
Mason's 21 points in the Spurs' 100-86 victory over Charlotte at the AT&T Center matched Parker for game-high honors, and Mason added five assists, most of them while he was running the team while Parker got 12 minutes of bench rest. Mason made 5-of-8 on 3-point shots, running his team-high season total to 135.
In one short stretch of the second quarter, Mason made four shots on four Spurs possessions, closing it out with a 3-pointer that gave him nine points in 1:52.
“I got some good looks; some great screens from Kurt Thomas,” Mason said. “I felt good out there.”
Popovich likes how the change is working, both for Mason and for Hill. Mason, he said, looks more comfortable at the point with each game.
“He enjoys splitting his time on the wing and the point,” Popovich said, “and he does a good job.”
Mason runs his pick-and-roll sets most often with Thomas as his post man and screen setter, but he is making plays that work for himself and his teammates.
“We have great shooters,” he said, “and if they get too caught up in what Kurt and I are doing, you can release and pass to those guys, and they're hitting shots.
“Kurt does a great job setting screens, and Fab (Oberto) and Matt (Bonner) are good, too. Whoever is out there, we do well.”
Foreign aid: Parker, a member of the French National Team, had a pregame conversation with Charlotte coach Larry Brown about plans to have Brown assist the French team this summer.
Brown, who has two players in the French team's player pool, already had planned to spend some time at the team's training camp so he could observe Bobcats Boris Diaw and Alexis Ajinca. He said if France's recently named head coach, Vincent Collett, has no objections, he would be happy to help him prepare the team for international competitions.
“He said he wanted to talk to the coach first to see if they could work together,” Parker said, “because he said he didn't want to overshadow him, or anything like that.”
“He's going to call the new head coach — he got elected last week — and we'll see what happens.”
Parker hopes the two can work together.
“Oh, definitely,” Parker said. “We will take all the help we can get from Larry Brown. He's one of the best coaches in the world, so it would be great.”
Worth noting: Oberto played only two seconds — the final two seconds of the first half — but managed to attempt his first 3-point shot of the season, a desperation heave from halfcourt that was about a foot short.
Andy25
03-10-2009, 11:57 PM
Tim is to Tony as Kurt is to Roger.
I like Roger running point because Hill can't seem to create a shot for himself and seems to perform better on catch and shoot and a 2 would be better suited for him while Mason can shoot off of screens and at times create his own shot.
Hill seems to be turning into a Bowen 2.0... he even scored the last two games with 3's from 'Brucie's" spot :D
NewJerSpur
03-11-2009, 12:03 AM
Neither Hill nor Mason are really point guards, but having Roger get comfortable at that position gives Pop more flexibility with the offense and rotations. Hill has the athleticism to ultimately wind up playing the 2, I've felt that way since the begininng of the season, and once he develops a consistent jumper he may truly make that come to fruition.
ducks
03-11-2009, 12:04 AM
just imagine chip with hill this summer
SenorSpur
03-11-2009, 12:07 AM
I don't like Pop turning Hill into a glorified shooting guard and resident defensive stopper only. Of course, I'm sure he has his reasons and since I'm not the coach, my opinion doesn't count.
Seems as I'm in the minority in here who actually likes Roger as backup PG, particularly in the playoffs when the key gets clogged and the pace slows.
I also like George as backup PG a lot as well so I'm happy with Pop going with whichever one he feels fits best on any given night.
(That said, I don't think George deserved to "lose" his backup PG spot... especially with the D he plays)
Ice009
03-11-2009, 12:47 AM
Seems as I'm in the minority in here who actually likes Roger as backup PG, particularly in the playoffs when the key gets clogged and the pace slows.
I also like George as backup PG a lot as well so I'm happy with Pop going with whichever one he feels fits best on any given night.
(That said, I don't think George deserved to "lose" his backup PG spot... especially with the D he plays)
I didn't mind the move cause I did not like George's play on offense. I really liked his play on defense though. I have absolutely no problem with George out there for defense.
I've just watched George too many times during the last month or so start a drive and get to about the free throw line and then he'd pull out. Other times he would drive past the free throw line and his handles weren't there and he'd lose control of the ball or get stuck and throw a turnover. He just doesn't seem to be very good at penetrating and getting to the rack from the top of the key like Tony does.
I don't know if it's George's handles or what? Maybe he pulls out because he doesn't want to make a mistake and turn it over by forcing it? Kind of over thinking it?
I thought when Pop first made the move that he was a little angry at George because of his passiveness. I thought that he was trying to teach him a lesson and also to see how tough he is mentally by seeing how he responds to losing the back up PG role.
Then again it might not have been any of that and all he wanted to do was try out Mason at PG as an experiment to see how that goes for a bit. Either way this seems to be working good as Mason was in a bit of a slump and I think his offense is starting to get better these last few games. Mason has even driven to the rack a few times with mixed results. If he had George's athleticism he could have probably finished most of those drives, but at least he is driving and even scoring from it occasionally.
NewJerSpur
03-11-2009, 12:55 AM
I don't know if it's George's handles or what? Maybe he pulls out because he doesn't want to make a mistake and turn it over by forcing it? Kind of over thinking it?
Seems like he drives to the hoop with the mindset to score, then on many occasions pulls it out when he suddenly feels he's supposed to be carrying the distributive duties a backup PG. He played more agressively early in the season when Tony and Manu were both sidelined and he essentially had the greenlight to penetrate to the basket even if the results weren't to the team's benefit. I do believe that when he gets a more consistent jumper going, especially one he can just pull up and drain he will solidify his spot more as a 2-guard.
ceperez
03-11-2009, 01:21 AM
At this point in time, Mason definitely has superior ball handling skills than George Hill. In fact, George Hill's ball handling skills are sub-par for a point guard. Mason, did excellent work with the Wizards while Arenas was out. He does a really good job working the pick and role. In fact, because of his quick release, he's much playing that than either Manu or Tony. His weakness is when he drives, he's got moves, but not as good as Manu or Tony.
So when both are on the court, then it makes better sense to have Mason play the point on offense. However, on the defensive end, the roles should be reversed, simply because Hill is to short to defend a SG.
Let's all hope that Hill improves his ball handling skills in the offseason.
That being said, I don't understand why Hill doesn't take more shots in offense. He was 100% the last game. Could it be that he's like Bonner and Finley? Guys who can't create their own shot?
Ice009
03-11-2009, 01:21 AM
Seems like he drives to the hoop with the mindset to score, then on many occasions pulls it out when he suddenly feels he's supposed to be carrying the distributive duties a backup PG. He played more agressively early in the season when Tony and Manu were both sidelined and he essentially had the greenlight to penetrate to the basket even if the results weren't to the team's benefit. I do believe that when he gets a more consistent jumper going, especially one he can just pull up and drain he will solidify his spot more as a 2-guard.
Alright I just read the Express News articles and also watched the post game interviews on NBA.com. I think I was on the right track. Hill said that Pop said told him he was over thinking it out there and Mason said that they want Hill to play more freely and use his athleticism and energy out there to give the Spurs a spark. I like the way Hill is playing right now.
Yorae
03-11-2009, 01:28 AM
I just realized what 228's second spur is...:lol
Spursfan092120
03-11-2009, 01:35 AM
I just realized what 228's second spur is...:lol
How do you get the Spurs by your name?
duncan228
03-11-2009, 01:45 AM
How do you get the Spurs by your name?
Kori and timvp do it.
From what I understand, original members of ST have them. After that, there have been some given out for various reasons, from guessing a game score correctly to predicting Playoffs outcomes. There are other reasons, it's fun to read what they're for.
phyzik
03-11-2009, 01:45 AM
How do you get the Spurs by your name?
I dont know, but I could have sworn I deserved one at some point during the past 4 years but, for the life of me, I cant remember what it was :lol .
I think Kori hates me.
NewJerSpur
03-11-2009, 01:46 AM
Alright I just read the Express News articles and also watched the post game interviews on NBA.com. I think I was on the right track. Hill said that Pop said told him he was over thinking it out there and Mason said that they want Hill to play more freely and use his athleticism and energy out there to give the Spurs a spark. I like the way Hill is playing right now.
I said something similar in my earlier reply.
Yorae
03-11-2009, 02:44 AM
Can I get spur because I blog when I'm at work?
Manufan909
03-11-2009, 03:25 AM
I didn't too much in the timvp rant thread, but I like Mason more at PG than Hill. He isn't great, but right now he's better at both guard positions, though Hill has athleticism, D, and a nose for boards, Mason is just mor comfortable running things. And Mason is 10x better on O. I hope Hill ends up the only pg behind Tony 5 games after the team is fully healthy, if not for his O, then his incredible D. By this time next year he could be considered Bowen-lite(I just hope he nevers karate kicks anyone:hat), and I think he'll know the PG role Pop has enivsioned enough to get all the backup PG minutes, and hopefuly 3-5 mins at sg too.
velik_m
03-11-2009, 03:47 AM
I just realized what 228's second spur is...:lol
He definitely deserves one for all the articles he finds and posts here. :p:
Mason made four shots on four Spurs possessions
What a great playmaker.
Dalamar_the_Dark
03-11-2009, 03:55 AM
Think I like the adjustment better. Cause having 3 guards who can play the point. 4 if you include Manu, kills opponents as Pop can switch roles on the court easily. No drop off for different matchups.
Whatever helps us get another championship!
benefactor
03-11-2009, 04:38 AM
Popovich likes how the change is working, both for Mason and for Hill.
Me too. Hill looks outstanding just standing over there in the corner behind the three point line.
i have bone spurs
03-11-2009, 05:22 AM
I've spoken to Roger a lot about this. Apparently Pop is using this as a psychological ploy to light a fire under George and to give Mase some experience so he can run the point in emergencies. Don't expect this to continue for very long.
Bruno
03-11-2009, 05:38 AM
Pop will maybe also go in France this summer to do a clinic on TP for the NT.
mudyez
03-11-2009, 06:26 AM
Foreign aid: Parker, a member of the French National Team, had a pregame conversation with Charlotte coach Larry Brown about plans to have Brown assist the French team this summer.
Brown, who has two players in the French team's player pool, already had planned to spend some time at the team's training camp so he could observe Bobcats Boris Diaw and Alexis Ajinca. He said if France's recently named head coach, Vincent Collett, has no objections, he would be happy to help him prepare the team for international competitions.
“He said he wanted to talk to the coach first to see if they could work together,” Parker said, “because he said he didn't want to overshadow him, or anything like that.”
“He's going to call the new head coach — he got elected last week — and we'll see what happens.”
Parker hopes the two can work together.
“Oh, definitely,” Parker said. “We will take all the help we can get from Larry Brown. He's one of the best coaches in the world, so it would be great.”
oh well...after brown made it public, the new coach of france has a real chance of saiying "no"! :bang
I like brown, but I think its a little unfair of him!
Bruno
03-11-2009, 06:46 AM
oh well...after brown made it public, the new coach of france has a real chance of saiying "no"! :bang
I like brown, but I think its a little unfair of him!
Brown didn't make it public. This info has been known for more than one week.
Supergirl
03-11-2009, 07:19 AM
Yeah, I think Mason as back up PG is going to come handy come playoff time, when Hill is likely to have some normal rookie jitters. Also, it has allowed TP and Hill to be played together, which has worked out well defensively, since TP and Hill are rapidly becoming our best defensive guard combo, like TD and Bowen are our best defensive forward combo.
m33p0
03-11-2009, 07:27 AM
He definitely deserves one for all the articles he finds and posts here. :p:
What a great playmaker.
i give up.
urunobili
03-11-2009, 07:42 AM
I think Pop realized that come playoff time Hill will be another defensive stopper and maybe Manu's breather help at the two for a couple of minutes.. that is what he thinks it could be his role for the playoffs.. and i agree... he may run the point for some stretches so... it's all good to me.. all combo guards kind of duties...
velik_m
03-11-2009, 09:46 AM
i give up.
http://images8.fotki.com/v146/photos/2/267201/1787528/plane2-vi.jpg
MoSpur
03-11-2009, 10:01 AM
I am still not liking this move. Mase is a darn good shooter when he's hot. Its not all the time he is hot though. I want to see Hill play some more at the backup PG position.
exstatic
03-11-2009, 10:24 AM
I think that Pop has realized that at this point in time, Hill doesn't have the split second decision making ability at this time to go forward into the playoffs as the #2 PG. He likes Hill, and wants to find a playoff role for him, but doesn't want another Beno meltdown.
hater
03-11-2009, 10:30 AM
I don't like Pop turning Hill into a glorified shooting guard and resident defensive stopper only. Of course, I'm sure he has his reasons and since I'm not the coach, my opinion doesn't count.
Easy. Hill is ready for that role NOW. Pop can work on him becoming a PG in the offseason. But we need to win now
xtremesteven33
03-11-2009, 10:31 AM
Pop is a genius.
I dont question him.
:worthy:
Taking it to the Hole
03-11-2009, 11:32 AM
I noticed last night that Hill still looks lost on the offensive end when the team runs their sets. I am really not in favor of him just camping out at the three point line and jacking up shots but I think you need to utilize his athleticism, by allowing him to move around more on the offensive side of the ball. Maybe allow him to come off a screen and catch and shoot or set back screens for him to get to the hoop.
He just seems like while Pop wants to give him freedom, he still doesn't know the best way to use Hill. I didn't like the idea of RMJ running backup point just because against some of the better defenders, he might lose control of the ball and turn it over, but he seems to be doing well. I don't think all of the back-up point duties should be taken away from Hill because he still can penetrate when he wants. I just don't want Pop turning him into another Antonio Daniels where he doesn't know what he wants him to be.
mingus
03-11-2009, 12:08 PM
I think hill has good handles. He was much more comfortable on offense when he was given the green light by pop during that stretch where Tony and Manu were out. He needs to play with that same mentality.
mingus
03-11-2009, 12:10 PM
Defensively hill shines though. He's very active, like a mini bruce.
stéphane
03-11-2009, 12:14 PM
Brown didn't make it public. This info has been known for more than one week.
Yup. It's been some time now.
Off topic but seeing what Brown makes with a team like the bobcats, he could really help our NT. Brown is a great coach even if he's not flawless.
rogcl1
03-11-2009, 12:54 PM
I think hill has good handles. He was much more comfortable on offense when he was given the green light by pop during that stretch where Tony and Manu were out. He needs to play with that same mentality.
I don't think Pop removed the green light.
I actually like what Mason at point guard potentially brings. His ability to shoot
threes and shoot off of screens spreads the floor and gives the defenses a different look from the all out attack the basket look that Parker primarily brings. The two styles compliment each other and causes defenses to change focus.
Will it work? Only one way to find out. Try it now so all involved have a feel for it and get comfortable. I don't think you wait until the playoffs and have a situation develop and then just throw Mason in that role. Yes ,he is a veteran , but some time for both him and his teammates to have him in that role has to benefit all.
Now, I do want Hill to get his minutes as an energized Hill can contribute in tandem with Parker or Mason and not have the pressure of running the team.He seems to be handling things very well considering his play the last couple games. Nothing at all to be lost by the Mason at point experiment as long as Hill still gets some minutes.
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