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gospursgojas

03-11-2009, 01:03 PM

timvp

03-11-2009, 01:05 PM

Too small to be a true Bowen replacement. Pop has rarely put him on a non-point guard. Bowen can guard 1 thru 4. Hill has only shown the ability to guards 1s.

gospursgojas

03-11-2009, 01:06 PM

Too small to be a true Bowen replacement. Pop has rarely put him on a non-point guard. Bowen can guard 1 thru 4. Hill has only shown the ability to guards 1s.

True. But wouldn't you say although shorter he's just as long as Bruce

Ditty

03-11-2009, 01:10 PM

this guy

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Chomag

03-11-2009, 01:20 PM

Hairston has shown alot signs of being a stopper. I'm not sure if he could become the specialist that Bowen is but he is definitely better then Udoka.

Only defencive problems I have seen from Hairston so far this year is a couple of missed rotations, but being a rookie he should improve on that with time. I don't count that mishap in Dallas that seems to have benched him for the year because it was pretty much a cop-out since he had to leave his man to cover Jason Kidd because someone else left him wide open.

As for Hill he is definitely a stopper but as already said he lacks the size to be vestal. However for the times when we play teams that have all-star PGs and a few SGs such as Nash,CP, etc it's going to be pretty awesome to have such a player as him out there.

urunobili

03-11-2009, 01:22 PM

Malik Hairston...

Chomag

03-11-2009, 01:24 PM

Malik Hairston...

Be ready for the haters dude.

Bruno

03-11-2009, 01:33 PM

urunobili

03-11-2009, 01:39 PM

In a perfect world, Hill + Hairston + Gist will be Bruce replacement.

:tu

timvp

03-11-2009, 01:41 PM

True. But wouldn't you say although shorter he's just as long as BruceHill is a long 6-foot-3. Bowen is a long 6-foot-7.

I think there's a chance Hill could be a good defender against shooting guards ... but we haven't seen much of that at all this season.

gospursgojas

03-11-2009, 01:44 PM

I guess I should ask...

can Hill be an effective defender against kobe???

Chomag

03-11-2009, 01:51 PM

I guess I should ask...

can Hill be an effective defender against kobe???

I don't think so, he would hold his own but Kobe would murder him on post-ups I would think.

vander

03-11-2009, 01:56 PM

Too small to be a true Bowen replacement. Pop has rarely put him on a non-point guard. Bowen can guard 1 thru 4. Hill has only shown the ability to guards 1s.

other than Dirk, who doesn't play like a 4, what PF has bowen ever guarded any better than Bonner could?

Hill'll be a better PG defender, and should be as effective at guarding the 2. and 2 positions is plenty, just about every good team has a 1 or 2 that needs stopping.

I like Hill as a defensive specialist, playing along side manu or TP, more than as a PG for the time being

sananspursfan21

03-11-2009, 01:56 PM

hill is good, he'll be a PG version of Bowen, hopefully with a little more offensive fire-power though

vander

03-11-2009, 01:58 PM

I don't think so, he would hold his own but Kobe would murder him on post-ups I would think.

those long arms would make kobe's turnaround jumpers tough, even if he could muscle his way closer to the basket first

Thompson

03-11-2009, 02:01 PM

I like Hill as a defensive specialist, playing along side manu or TP, more than as a PG for the time being

Maybe for now, but I still think he will develop more in a season or two and will be a very good backup point.

silverblackfan

03-11-2009, 02:01 PM

As timvp, Bruce is/was able to guard player 1 thru 4. Spurs won't find a player with that versatility. Players like Bruce don't grow on trees.

Bowen's "replacement" will likely be 2 or 3 players with something like one to defend 1 and short 2, one to defend 2 and 3 , one to defend long 3 and mobile 4.

In a perfect world, Hill + Hairston + Gist will be Bruce replacement.

:toast
I think this is pretty accurate. It will probably take 2 defensive experts to replace a Bruce in his prime.

gospursgojas

03-11-2009, 02:02 PM

No ones gonna stop kobe.

He's gonna score 20 or 30 plus a night.

Making him work for those 20 or 30 is whats called defending Kobe

EJK5032

03-11-2009, 02:04 PM

As timvp, Bruce is/was able to guard player 1 thru 4. Spurs won't find a player with that versatility. Players like Bruce don't grow on trees.

Bowen's "replacement" will likely be 2 or 3 players with something like one to defend 1 and short 2, one to defend 2 and 3 , one to defend long 3 and mobile 4.

In a perfect world, Hill + Hairston + Gist will be Bruce replacement.

I agree with Bruno. It may take years to find a true 1 for 1 "replacement" for Bowen. In the meantime, it will be by committee........most teams don't have a Bowen anyhow. Next year, GHill as the "stopper" and Bowen as Assistant Coach.

Chomag

03-11-2009, 02:09 PM

those long arms would make kobe's turnaround jumpers tough, even if he could muscle his way closer to the basket first

Thats true but I was thinking more long the lines of Kobe being bigger and more powerful to back Hill down. That and having the advantage of having vision over the top of him.

Now the more I think about it I would love to see Hill guard Kobe in spurts this Thursday just to see what he could do.

coyotes_geek

03-11-2009, 02:12 PM

No ones gonna stop kobe.

He's gonna score 20 or 30 plus a night.

Making him work for those 20 or 30 is whats called defending Kobe

Agreed.

And no, Hill can't guard him.

Darthkiller

03-11-2009, 02:16 PM

nicolas batum ,although he will be way better than bowen

Muser

03-11-2009, 02:35 PM

Hill could never guard Kobe.

If you want someone to be a Bowen type defender trade for Tayshaun.

whottt

03-11-2009, 02:48 PM

Bruce Bowen has made 8 consecutive ALL NBA D teams. There are maybe, 15-16 other players in NBA history to make 8 or more All NBA D teams, even fewer to do it consecutively, probably fewer than 10 have made more. He's made 5 consecutive All NBA D first teams, probably no more than 5 or 6 players in NBA history have done that(one of them is named Tim Duncan). On top of that he lead the NBA in 3 point shooting...and is a pretty good shooter as well.

We probably won't be getting a true Bruce Bowen replacement any time soon, if ever again.

z0sa

03-11-2009, 03:04 PM

There is no such thing as a Bruce Bowen replacement.

neboat

03-11-2009, 03:06 PM

other than Dirk, who doesn't play like a 4, what PF has bowen ever guarded any better than Bonner could?

If my memory serves me right, I remember Randolph was having a field day against the Spurs back when he was in Portland. Pop put Bowen on Randolph... Bowen bumped him, fronted him, and pretty much cooled him off. So no, Bowen usually does not guard 4s, but he's versatile enough to handle guarding some 4s at certain times.

urunobili

03-11-2009, 03:12 PM

I like Hill as a defensive specialist, playing along side manu or TP, more than as a PG for the time being

I finally agree on something with you... :tu

HarlemHeat37

03-11-2009, 03:13 PM

agreed with whott, Bruce is an all-legend NBA defender..his tricks are unmatched, he's been able to guard ANY position, including perimeter Cs like Okur, he gets inside most players heads..we won't be getting another Bowen..

as for our next defensive stopper..Hill is obviously going to be an elite PG defensive player, he's already one of the best defensive PGs in his rookie season..he's obviously too small to defend most SGs though, so he'll have to stick to the 1..

I love Hairston's individual D from what I've seen..he can definitely be groomed to become a good defensive player in our system..

I haven't seen much of Gist, but I love his body..we haven't had a player with that kind of body in a while..

whottt

03-11-2009, 03:15 PM

He turned Shawn Marion into a skidmark annually for a couple of years there...Shawn Marion made the AS game as a PF.

Spurminator

03-11-2009, 03:28 PM

Add Chris Bosh to the list of 4's Bowen has shut down.

SPURS21

03-11-2009, 03:35 PM

Not a chance.

Raja Bell would be a nice replacement IMO

Ocotillo

03-11-2009, 03:37 PM

To the point he will be difficult to replace, at least in the role he serves on this team, think of it this way.

Who in the league (without regard to having to figure out a trade) would you take from another team to replace the role he plays?

Of course there are guys like LeBron, etc.. but I am talking about how Bowen fits this team, percentage of salary cap, does not have a big role on offense, etc...

There just isn't anyone like him out there. Replacing Bruce will have to me more on the order of what Bruno says, all other perimeter players are going to have to step up a notch.

timvp

03-11-2009, 03:37 PM

other than Dirk, who doesn't play like a 4, what PF has bowen ever guarded any better than Bonner could?Off the top of my head Dirk, Bosh, Randolph, Okur, Jamison, Aldridge, Odom, Marion, Diaw. He even had success against Karl Malone.

Hill'll be a better PG defender, and should be as effective at guarding the 2. and 2 positions is plenty, just about every good team has a 1 or 2 that needs stopping.lol @ "should be as effective at guarding the 2".

That's an amazingly ludicrous statement. Bowen is one of the top ten players in NBA history in terms of defending shooting guards. To make it a given that Hill will match that level of defense prior to Hill ever defending any shooting guard in the NBA for an extended period of time is crazy.

I like Hill and he undoubtedly has very good defensive potential but he's the same guy who got eaten alive by Roko Ukic earlier in the season.

Spurminator

03-11-2009, 03:43 PM

We should be able to find a replacement for Bowen around the time we find a replacement for David Robinson.

Phenomanul

03-11-2009, 03:47 PM

List of high profile players that have had Bruce Bowen unleashed on them by Pop (with some success):

Kobe Bryant
Vince Carter
Ray Allen
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Peja Stojakovic
Shawn Marion
Zach Randolph
Chris Bosh
Jamal Crawford
Mike Miller
Wally Sczerbiak
Chauncey Billups
LaMarcus Aldridge
Richard Hamilton
Carmelo Anthony
Richard Jefferson
Michael Redd
Mike Bibby
Mehmet Okur

List of players that have given Bowen fits (he nevertheless has managed to win some battles against them):
Allen Iverson
Lebron James
Paul Pierce
Andre Miller
Tracy McGrady
Chris Paul
Dwayne Wade
Brandon Roy

Phenomanul

03-11-2009, 03:48 PM

That is versatility...

Obstructed_View

03-11-2009, 04:07 PM

I suspect Bowen's replacement is going to have to come in defensive contributions by Hill, Hairston, and hopefully Gist. If the three of them can bring the same things collectively that Bowen has brought to the Spurs in the past several years, then the team has a very bright future. I don't think a player with Bowen's skill set and versatility exists anywhere in the league, and if he does, the Spurs aren't going to be likely to pry him away from his current team.

wisnub

03-11-2009, 04:15 PM

As the Spurs defensive stopper has been found.

Forget Roman Sato, Lindon Johnson the 3, Ime Udoka, etc.

His name is George Hill. I am convinced he can do the job after these 2 games. With a lil time I'm sure he'll be able to start effecting the games of greater players.

I agree Hill becoming a reliable defensive stopper. But he is not a Bruce replacement. Hill is good on scoring, he both can score and defense. Replacement for Bowen is Hairston. I saw him being put to guard LBJ, and saw him getting tips from Bowne on the sideline. He is long,athletic, able to dunk and scoring so I think he will be a plus. If Bowen keep teaching him he will be Bowens heir. George Hill got better job to do than replacing Bowen, he will help Tony in point guard position and tearing up defense....

AussieFanKurt

03-11-2009, 04:30 PM

its quite amazing the see a player get zero time almost until last quarter and play as well as he does, he wouldnt even really be warmed up.

TDMVPDPOY

03-11-2009, 05:55 PM

bowens replacement is playin on the warriors, portland or orlando team atm....

theres at leasts 3 guys im interested in takn bowens place....

clubalien

03-11-2009, 08:09 PM

We shouldn't be looking for a bruce bowen replacement
we need a sean elliott
a ninja that can play offense and defense.. someone like ron artest

Lady M

03-11-2009, 08:43 PM

raspsa

03-11-2009, 08:46 PM

The Spurs are still searching fo rthat mythical long SF.. Batum has the potential.. so does Ariza. I'm sure if they try hard enough they can find one. hopefully not shorter than 6'7'' and ideally even taller and longer.

Obstructed_View

03-11-2009, 09:42 PM

Maybe Batum in few years

Maybe, but guys who can defend hall of famers at four positions night in and night out and do so successfully for several years are pretty rare. So rare that we might just as easily be talking about who's going to step in and do the things Duncan does. Reality suggests that it's going to take good efforts from multiple places to fill that void, that's all I'm saying.