Hey look our bigoted Military fired 11 soldiers in January.

[BacktoBasics]

As if these fucking knuckleheads don't already have a hard time recruiting. Seriously I don't have a preference for the fags or flamers but I'm not stupid enough to think that their desire for a nice stiff supple meaty lubed up cock in their ass could possibly effect their ability to perform the job at hand. This fucking shit starts with all these ignorant worthless god warriors who think their belief structure should apply to everyone. Fuck you. I'm fucking sick and tired of being around these hypocritical god worshiping morons. We don't all have to live your life. Your belief system is centered on bigotry at the expense of a better nation. How fucking noble is it to expect someone to die for you and sacrifice for you while you hold the right to strip them of their duty and livelihood over a preference. Answer: Its not noble its insecure homophobic bullshit and we should have been passed this a long god damn time ago. Fuck you again.

I hope they were all openly gay specifically to get discharged. No one should have to live a lie.



WASHINGTON – The Army fired 11 soldiers in January for violating the military's policy that gay service members must keep their sexuality hidden, according to a Virginia congressman.

Democratic Rep. Jim Moran said he has requested monthly updates from the Pentagon on the impact of the policy until it is repealed. In a statement released on Thursday, Moran said the discharged soldiers included an intelligence collector, a military police officer, four infantry personnel, a health care specialist, a motor-transport operator and a water-treatment specialist.

So explain to me how cock logging or box munching rendered these people incapable of doing their jobs?

"How many more good soldiers are we willing to lose due to a bad policy that makes us less safe and secure?" asked Moran, a member of the House panel that oversees military spending.

The Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" policy was instituted after President Bill Clinton tried to lift the ban on gay service members in 1993. It refers to the military practice of not asking recruits their sexual orientation. In turn, service members are banned from saying they are gay or bisexual, engaging in homosexual activity or trying to marry a member of the same sex.

The military discharged nearly 10,000 service members under the policy in a 10-year period, from 1997 to 2007. The number fired each year dropped sharply after the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, when forces were stretched thin. Whereas more than 1,200 were dismissed in 2000 and 2001 for violating the policy, about half as many — 627 — were fired in 2007.

The Pentagon has not released its 2008 figures.

The White House has said President Barack Obama has begun consulting with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen on how to lift the ban. But the administration won't say how soon that might happen or whether a group of experts will be commissioned to study the issue in-depth, as some Democrats have suggested.

Likewise, Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill support repealing the ban but have not promised to press the issue immediately.

[Bender]

stiff supple

can it be both?

[BacktoBasics]

can it be both?Why not

[01Snake]

Are you going to cry?

[BacktoBasics]

Are you going to cry?Possibly.

[CosmicCowboy]

Dang BTB!


stiff supple meaty lubed up cock

You have some literary talent there...substitute "throbbing manhood" for "cock" and you may have a future writing romance novels!

[2Blonde]

Dang BTB!



You have some literary talent there...substitute "throbbing manhood" for "cock" and you may have a future writing romance novels!
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[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Summers]

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3959/b2bsatirenovel.jpg



Oh shit! :lmao


edit:

Summers' hubby here. Seriously, she is giggling her ass off. I had to pick it up and re-attach it several times.

[Summers]

Oh, and just because I want to be the first to say it:

This thread is gay! :rolleyes

:lol

[Interrohater]

Hey man, being in the Army, I feel like it's not as clear-cut as you're making it seem. If it were, then sure, it would be fine to let them fight in combat. The fact of the matter is that having openly gay soldiers would disrupt unit cohesion, meaning that the one or two gay soldiers would be shunned, beat up or worse. It is absolutely necessary to have cohesion within the ranks and, unfortunately, most soldiers are already overloaded with testosterone and they don't need more motivation to terrorize somebody because of his sexual preferance. What would you rather have, a soldier who is seperated from the Army because of homosexuality, or a soldier who commits suicide because his life is made a living hell by his fellow soldiers? It really has nothing to do with religion. The Army is not known as the most efficient machine in the world, but more often than not, there is a logical reason for their standard operating procedures. When you're in combat, you need to trust the man that is next to you and it's just a fact of life that most "red-blooded American" males are not very comfortable around gays.

[jack sommerset]

You don't want a couple of fags sucking on each other kawks durning battle. If the fags did not have a possibility of war duty I say let the pole smokers in. Until then you get caught playing the knuckle shuffle on another mans piss pumper you cannot protect our country. Good rule

[2Blonde]

Hey man, being in the Army, I feel like it's not as clear-cut as you're making it seem. If it were, then sure, it would be fine to let them fight in combat. The fact of the matter is that having openly gay soldiers would disrupt unit cohesion, meaning that the one or two gay soldiers would be shunned, beat up or worse. It is absolutely necessary to have cohesion within the ranks and, unfortunately, most soldiers are already overloaded with testosterone and they don't need more motivation to terrorize somebody because of his sexual preferance. What would you rather have, a soldier who is seperated from the Army because of homosexuality, or a soldier who commits suicide because his life is made a living hell by his fellow soldiers? It really has nothing to do with religion. The Army is not known as the most efficient machine in the world, but more often than not, there is a logical reason for their standard operating procedures. When you're in combat, you need to trust the man that is next to you and it's just a fact of life that most "red-blooded American" males are not very comfortable around gays.

So gays are not "red-blooded American" males? Interesting... I must have missed that lecture in Biology. Thanks for the clarification.:toast

[Clandestino]

So gays are not "red-blooded American" males? Interesting... I must have missed that lecture in Biology. Thanks for the clarification.:toast


fuck no.. they're not..

[CuckingFunt]

Hey man, being in the Army, I feel like it's not as clear-cut as you're making it seem. If it were, then sure, it would be fine to let them fight in combat. The fact of the matter is that having openly gay soldiers would disrupt unit cohesion, meaning that the one or two gay soldiers would be shunned, beat up or worse. It is absolutely necessary to have cohesion within the ranks and, unfortunately, most soldiers are already overloaded with testosterone and they don't need more motivation to terrorize somebody because of his sexual preferance. What would you rather have, a soldier who is seperated from the Army because of homosexuality, or a soldier who commits suicide because his life is made a living hell by his fellow soldiers? It really has nothing to do with religion. The Army is not known as the most efficient machine in the world, but more often than not, there is a logical reason for their standard operating procedures. When you're in combat, you need to trust the man that is next to you and it's just a fact of life that most "red-blooded American" males are not very comfortable around gays.

I would prefer that our country no longer view a person's sexual orientation as enough of a reason to justify exclusion or harassment, which is never going to happen as long as we continue to have laws and policies that stigmatize alternative lifestyles.

[Summers]

You don't want a couple of fags sucking on each other kawks durning battle. If the fags did not have a possibility of war duty I say let the pole smokers in. Until then you get caught playing the knuckle shuffle on another mans piss pumper you cannot protect our country. Good rule

My gay cousin was an Army medic for several years and I'm pretty sure he wasn't sucking cock while starting IVs in Iraq for the first Gulf War.

[Summers]

So gays are not "red-blooded American" males? Interesting... I must have missed that lecture in Biology. Thanks for the clarification.:toast

I can make you copies of my notes. They have that weird blue copper-based blood, like horseshoe crabs.

[2Blonde]

I can make you copies of my notes. They have that weird blue copper-based blood, like horseshoe crabs.
Thanks, I would appreciate that.:lol

[MiamiHeat]

My gay cousin was an Army medic for several years and I'm pretty sure he wasn't sucking cock while starting IVs in Iraq for the first Gulf War.

how can you be so sure? I'm sure he was verrrryy tempted since they were unconscious sometimes.

[MiamiHeat]

So gays are not "red-blooded American" males? Interesting... I must have missed that lecture in Biology. Thanks for the clarification.:toast

no they aren't, smartass! no man will enjoy getting bent over and fucked.

you know how it's a humiliation for a man to kneel before another? a show of authority when a man demands another man kneel before him to show respect?

well, gays kneel and like it. they are submissive to other men. this is not respectable.

that is why most real men don't respect them. they are feminine. they enjoy getting bent over and dominated by another man sexually. that's disgusting to any real man.

you know all those movies with rocky never submitting to his opponent? no matter what, you cannot conquer me? well, gays enjoy getting conquered by other men.

disgusting.


ALSO. it's hazardous to your health. anus is not meant for constant penetration.

[AFBlue]

I would prefer that our country no longer view a person's sexual orientation as enough of a reason to justify exclusion or harassment, which is never going to happen as long as we continue to have laws and policies that stigmatize alternative lifestyles.

Technically the military doesnt justify harrassment or exclusion. The reason for the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is to preclude sexual orientation from consideration. Frankly, it's not the military's business whether or not one of it's soldiers, airmen, sailors, or marines is gay.

Having said that, I'm not sure why the military hasn't gotten out in front of this issue and pressed forward with open integration. I'm pretty sure desegregation made some people uncomfortable at the time...but they pressed forward and it's now a well-integrated force.

[AFBlue]

Hey man, being in the Army, I feel like it's not as clear-cut as you're making it seem. If it were, then sure, it would be fine to let them fight in combat. The fact of the matter is that having openly gay soldiers would disrupt unit cohesion, meaning that the one or two gay soldiers would be shunned, beat up or worse. It is absolutely necessary to have cohesion within the ranks and, unfortunately, most soldiers are already overloaded with testosterone and they don't need more motivation to terrorize somebody because of his sexual preferance. What would you rather have, a soldier who is seperated from the Army because of homosexuality, or a soldier who commits suicide because his life is made a living hell by his fellow soldiers? It really has nothing to do with religion. The Army is not known as the most efficient machine in the world, but more often than not, there is a logical reason for their standard operating procedures. When you're in combat, you need to trust the man that is next to you and it's just a fact of life that most "red-blooded American" males are not very comfortable around gays.

You're not helping.

[2Blonde]

You're not helping.
:lmao

[SequSpur]

question is has back to basics ever been in the military?

[2Blonde]

question is has back to basics ever been in the military?
I don't think so. I'm pretty sure he stays busy between being a Life Coaching & writing his gay romance novels.:toast

[CuckingFunt]

Technically the military doesnt justify harrassment or exclusion. The reason for the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is to preclude sexual orientation from consideration. Frankly, it's not the military's business whether or not one of it's soldiers, airmen, sailors, or marines is gay.

Having said that, I'm not sure why the military hasn't gotten out in front of this issue and pressed forward with open integration. I'm pretty sure desegregation made some people uncomfortable at the time...but they pressed forward and it's now a well-integrated force.

I didn't intend to suggest that the military justifies harassment or exclusion. Rather, I was referring to the implied justification that goes along with victim blaming. Interrohater mentioned that openly gay soldiers would disrupt unit cohesion because that lifestyle choice automatically results on harassment and exclusion. That may well be the case, but policies like "don't ask, don't tell" blame the victim by implying that the issue of sexuality is the problem, and not the bigotry.

[AFBlue]

question is has back to basics ever been in the military?

I doubt it...since he nonsensically lashed out at the military for a policy created by a political adminstration, and not the apolitical force dedicated to this country's defense.

But yeah, the big bad biggoted military is to blame. :rolleyes

All they are doing is adhering to the laws and policies currently in place. If "don't ask, don't tell" is replaced, then you'll see the new policy enforced...it's that simple.

[AFBlue]

I didn't intend to suggest that the military justifies harassment or exclusion. Rather, I was referring to the implied justification that goes along with victim blaming. Interrohater mentioned that openly gay soldiers would disrupt unit cohesion because that lifestyle choice automatically results on harassment and exclusion. That may well be the case, but policies like "don't ask, don't tell" blame the victim by implying that the issue of sexuality is the problem, and not the bigotry.

Understand...like the scenario of a Muslim woman being raped but put on trial for being alone with more than one man. Victim is blamed for contributing to the circumstance.

Plus, I think the argument is flmsy all around...harrassment of any kind is prosecutable and would be more readily identified if sexual orientation was known.

[Summers]

no they aren't, smartass! no man will enjoy getting bent over and fucked.

you know how it's a humiliation for a man to kneel before another? a show of authority when a man demands another man kneel before him to show respect?

well, gays kneel and like it. they are submissive to other men. this is not respectable.

that is why most real men don't respect them. they are feminine. they enjoy getting bent over and dominated by another man sexually. that's disgusting to any real man.

you know all those movies with rocky never submitting to his opponent? no matter what, you cannot conquer me? well, gays enjoy getting conquered by other men.

disgusting.


ALSO. it's hazardous to your health. anus is not meant for constant penetration.

What are you, 85? I enjoy getting bent over. Should I feel humiliated next time it happens?

[Strike]

What are you, 85? I enjoy getting bent over. Should I feel humiliated next time it happens?

Only if it involves a cop, a night stick and a crowd.

[SequSpur]

I doubt it...since he nonsensically lashed out at the military for a policy created by a political adminstration, and not the apolitical force dedicated to this country's defense.

But yeah, the big bad biggoted military is to blame. :rolleyes

All they are doing is adhering to the laws and policies currently in place. If "don't ask, don't tell" is replaced, then you'll see the new policy enforced...it's that simple.

i spent 8 years in the military and things have changed... that's all i can say... it wasn't like this when i was in.

[AFBlue]

i spent 8 years in the military and things have changed... that's all i can say... it wasn't like this when i was in.

Everything changes.

So what was it like? I'm curious....like to hear about people's past experience in the military.

[MiamiHeat]

What are you, 85? I enjoy getting bent over. Should I feel humiliated next time it happens?

aren't you a woman though? men love it when women bend over :)

women are feminine by nature. submissive during sex (unless you are a S&M freak)

[Jacob1983]

I think it's funny how so many people blamed Bush for "don't ask, don't tell" even though it was Bill Clinton's idea. I would say as long as the gay guys aren't having sex with each other when they're in combat then it's probably okay to let them be in the military. Personally, I think straight people in the military wouldn't feel that uncomfortable around gay people in the military if the gay people weren't flaming.

[Gerryatrics]

As if these fucking knuckleheads don't already have a hard time recruiting. Seriously I don't have a preference for the fags or flamers but I'm not stupid enough to think that their desire for a nice stiff supple meaty lubed up cock in their ass could possibly effect their ability to perform the job at hand. This fucking shit starts with all these ignorant worthless god warriors who think their belief structure should apply to everyone. Fuck you. I'm fucking sick and tired of being around these hypocritical god worshiping morons. We don't all have to live your life. Your belief system is centered on bigotry at the expense of a better nation. How fucking noble is it to expect someone to die for you and sacrifice for you while you hold the right to strip them of their duty and livelihood over a preference. Answer: Its not noble its insecure homophobic bullshit and we should have been passed this a long god damn time ago. Fuck you again.

I hope they were all openly gay specifically to get discharged. No one should have to live a lie.

Sounds like someone is butthurt :jack

[BacktoBasics]

I expect grown adults to act like grown adults. To excuse criminal activity because of testosterone has to be the biggest pussy cop out I've ever heard.

[BacktoBasics]

oh and lol @ 2Blonde.

[Summers]

aren't you a woman though? men love it when women bend over :)

women are feminine by nature. submissive during sex (unless you are a S&M freak)

Why don't you just admit you've never had sex with a woman?

Instead of being hateful, just come out of the closet now.

[JoeChalupa]

There have and always will be gays in the military. When I served gays were around and it was no big deal. Yeah, they got shunned sometimes but when it came down to pull together as team we ALWAYS did.
So much homophobia. :rolleyes

[desflood]

This is actually a much bigger issue for the politicians than it is for the military itself. I worked with several gay people - so long as they did their jobs nobody cared what they did in the privacy of their dorm rooms.

[desflood]

Why don't you just admit you've never had sex with a woman?
:lol

My initial response when I read his statement was, "Wow - is he ever in for a surprise someday!"

[JoeChalupa]

This is actually a much bigger issue for the politicians than it is for the military itself. I worked with several gay people - so long as they did their jobs nobody cared what they did in the privacy of their dorm rooms.

I concur.

[AFBlue]

I expect grown adults to act like grown adults. To excuse criminal activity because of testosterone has to be the biggest pussy cop out I've ever heard.

What criminal activity is being excused?

[AFBlue]

This is actually a much bigger issue for the politicians than it is for the military itself. I worked with several gay people - so long as they did their jobs nobody cared what they did in the privacy of their dorm rooms.

For my part, I could've cared less (though I never knew any openly gay airmen)...but to suggest that it wouldn't be a big issue among the troops probably isn't an accurate generalization either. I know more than a few bubbas that would certainly have a problem with it.

BUT....the military is really good at telling you to "shut up and color", so lack of comfort shouldn't be a reason to keep the policy.

[BacktoBasics]

What criminal activity is being excused?Discrimination

[JoeChalupa]

It is only a big issue for homophobes.

[1369]

I enjoy getting bent over.

Your newsletter, I wish for a subscription to it.

/Bunk

[MiamiHeat]

Why don't you just admit you've never had sex with a woman?

Instead of being hateful, just come out of the closet now.

lol I have a wife , fail

[MiamiHeat]

gfg

[JoeChalupa]

lol I have a wife , fail

So did NJ Governor McGreevey. What is your point?

[JoeChalupa]

poor you, your girlfriend is the man in your relationship? hahahahahaha

your girlfriend treats you like a bitch when you have sex, doesn't she?

in my marriage, when we want to be rough, I am the one bending her over fucking her hard and pulling her hair in one hand. spank her ass while doing it too.

you guys need some testosterone if you aren't the MEN in your relationships, you little bitches.

Married? I suppose it was a non-religous marriage? Without vows?

[MiamiHeat]

fgf

[CuckingFunt]

women can say whatever they want, but real MEN know that women love to get conquered and subdued by a REAL MAN while getting fucked.

And to think, there are people who wonder why rape is still such a big issue in our country.

[MiamiHeat]

fgfg

[desflood]

poor you, your girlfriend is the man in your relationship? hahahahahaha

your girlfriend treats you like a bitch when you have sex, doesn't she?

in my marriage, when we want to be rough, I am the one bending her over fucking her hard and pulling her hair in one hand. spank her ass while doing it too.

you guys need some testosterone if you aren't the MEN in your relationships, you little bitches.

women can say whatever they want, but real MEN know that women love to get conquered and subdued by a REAL MAN while getting fucked. not all the time obviously, more than half of the time it's slow and romantic sex, but all of you fag guys saying you don't do the rough stuff ever, don't know shit about women.
lol I am a woman, fail.

[MiamiHeat]

And to think, there are people who wonder why rape is still such a big issue in our country.

yeah cause that's what im talking about. rape, right? lol.

i am talking about a couple, who are both happy and want to have sex. no rape involved,

stop baiting

[MiamiHeat]

lol I am a woman, fail.

i could tell you were feminine from the start. i was right.

:)

[AmericanWoman]

i probably made some women here on SpursTalk hot and horny with the things i said

wish your husband did those things to you once in a while don't ya ? :)

I'm sure Chris Brown agrees with your kind of mentality towards women. :rolleyes

[desflood]

i could tell you were feminine from the start. i was right.

:)
Of course you could, in your infinite male wisdom.

[MiamiHeat]

nah i don't have the infinite male wisdom, i have the finite temporary wisdom. at the gypsy store, the bottle of the infinite male wisdom was out of stock. doesn't matter, finite temporary was cheaper

[MiamiHeat]

I'm sure Chris Brown agrees with your kind of mentality towards women. :rolleyes

i have never hit a woman in my life, so i don't know why you confuse male dominance with violence.

[mrsmaalox]

I think it's funny how so many people blamed Bush for "don't ask, don't tell" even though it was Bill Clinton's idea. I would say as long as the gay guys aren't having sex with each other when they're in combat then it's probably okay to let them be in the military. Personally, I think straight people in the military wouldn't feel that uncomfortable around gay people in the military if the gay people weren't flaming.

Well it wasn't exactly Bill Clinton's "idea" either, he actually tried to have the entire "no gays in the military" completely repealed. The "don't ask, don't tell" was a compromise he had to make to the homophobic members of Congress. At least he tried.

[CuckingFunt]

yeah cause that's what im talking about. rape, right? lol.

i am talking about a couple, who are both happy and want to have sex. no rape involved,

stop baiting

You don't think that the fucked up idea/stereotype that all women love being conquered and subdued has anything to do with incidences of rape? Really??

Were you talking specifically about rape? No. Was I calling you a rapist? No. Some women do, within the context of a loving or trusting relationship, enjoy the feeling of being subdued or controlled. And that's their prerogative. But the assumption that all women inherently love to be controlled has a history in this country. It is central to the ideologies that are at the base of much of the oppression and degradation of women in our society.

[MiamiHeat]

I never said 'all women'

every woman is different and has their own likes/dislikes. I merely said the MAJORITY of women have instinct inside of them and SOMETIMES (i said more than half of the time I have slow romantic sex with my wife) love to feel conquered by their husband.

i understand your point though. some bad apples give the whole thing a bad name.

[MiamiHeat]

i feel weird having shared all of this, i am extremely private in person

[AmericanWoman]

I never said 'all women'

every woman is different and has their own likes/dislikes. I merely said the MAJORITY of women have instinct inside of them and SOMETIMES (i said more than half of the time I have slow romantic sex with my wife) love to feel conquered by their husband.

i understand your point though. some bad apples give the whole thing a bad name.

If you were a man you'd give men a bad name.

[RandomGuy]

no they aren't, smartass! no man will enjoy getting bent over and fucked.

you know how it's a humiliation for a man to kneel before another? a show of authority when a man demands another man kneel before him to show respect?

well, gays kneel and like it. they are submissive to other men. this is not respectable.

that is why most real men don't respect them. they are feminine. they enjoy getting bent over and dominated by another man sexually. that's disgusting to any real man.

you know all those movies with rocky never submitting to his opponent? no matter what, you cannot conquer me? well, gays enjoy getting conquered by other men.

disgusting.


ALSO. it's hazardous to your health. anus is not meant for constant penetration.

Methinks the gentleman doth protest overmuch.

[johnsmith]

This thread is fucking creepy. MiamiHeat, you're fucked up.

[RandomGuy]

Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

women can say whatever they want, but real MEN know that women love to get conquered and subdued by a REAL MAN while getting fucked


I never said 'all women'

every woman is different and has their own likes/dislikes. I merely said the MAJORITY of women have instinct inside of them and SOMETIMES (i said more than half of the time I have slow romantic sex with my wife) love to feel conquered by their husband.

i understand your point though. some bad apples give the whole thing a bad name.

You did not specifically say "all women" but you pretty directly implied it with the statment "that women love to..."

[Richard Cranium]

This thread is fucking creepy. MiamiHeat, you're fucked up.

It is all a show. He knows he likes to wear diapers and gets turned on when his wife spanks him for doing #2.

[RandomGuy]

It is absolutely necessary to have cohesion within the ranks and, unfortunately, most soldiers are already overloaded with testosterone and they don't need more motivation to terrorize somebody because of his sexual preferance. What would you rather have, a soldier who is seperated from the Army because of homosexuality, or a soldier who commits suicide because his life is made a living hell by his fellow soldiers?When you're in combat, you need to trust the man that is next to you and it's just a fact of life that most "red-blooded American" males are not very comfortable around gays.

I would tend to agree, for better for for worse.

Don't ask don't tell allows for people who don't really make an issue of it to stay in.

My platoon sergeant in the army lived off post with her "roommate", and she was an excellent non-com, and just as good at the analysis side (Mil Int).

Since most men are uncomfortable around gay men, do we simply make an exception for gay women?

What about allowing gay men in non-combat arms MOS's (jobs)?

[JoeChalupa]

I would tend to agree, for better for for worse.

Don't ask don't tell allows for people who don't really make an issue of it to stay in.

My platoon sergeant in the army lived off post with her "roommate", and she was an excellent non-com, and just as good at the analysis side (Mil Int).

Since most men are uncomfortable around gay men, do we simply make an exception for gay women?

What about allowing gay men in non-combat arms MOS's (jobs)?

yeah, I knew many more gay women than men in the military. And some real hot ones too!! :(

[MiamiHeat]

:rollin:rollin