Spurs MUST rest Duncan

[coachmac87]

I really dont care if we drop to the 8th seed. When I saw the pads on the knees I knew he was going to have a bad game. He just looks so old and slow...and he gets no lift off the ground. Maybe its his age finally catching up to him, I dunno but he needs a break. It doesnt matter if the Spurs had the #1 seed, with Duncan playing like this....we aint winning shit.

The main reason why we need Duncan somewhat healthy is Manu. I cant trust on Manu coming back at full strength this season, so we at least need one of those guys somewhat healthy. I'd take a rested Duncan and a so-so Manu over a hurt Duncan and a hurt Manu. Spurs just wont make it far in the playoffs. We need one of those guys healthy. We cant afford BOTH of them being hurt and basically ineffective come playoff time.

I say rest him until April.....That gives him 10 games of rest. 2 1/2 weeks of rest should give him some fresh legs.

If this happens, you start both Gooden and Thomas....Its just an idea, but Duncan needs rest really bad. He just does not look the same and we need him dearly if we want to even sniff another one of these :lobt:

[SenorSpur]

Much has been made of the health of Manu - and rightfully so - but what I saw against the Fakers was enough to let me know that Tim is laboring and he's obviously far from 100%. No one knows just how far off he really is. I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea for him to rest.

[coachmac87]

Much has been made of the health of Manu - and rightfully so - but what I saw against the Fakers was enough to let me know that Tim is laboring and he's obviously far from 100%. No one knows just how far off he really is. I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea for him to rest.

Ok lets say Pop does not rest Duncan...Thats 18 games, and of course we want to win a championship, so thats at least 16 more games. Which is 34 games left to be played. And thats if the Spurs sweep everybody. LMAO aint gonna happen.

Spurs still have 40 games left, which is half of an NBA season. And your playing against top teams. Duncan needs all the rest he can before the playoffs.

Like I said, I would be confident if the Spurs were healthy and were like a 6th seed playing against Houston or etc. Then being hurt playing a Dallas or Portland team

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

When we clinch the playoffs I hope Duncan's minutes are limited or he's sat out for a week or something. It's too bad his injury needs a long recovery time so resting will only help so much.

It sucks that we don't know how healthy Manu really is though/or how effective he can be taking the burden off Tim and Tony at less than 100 %.

hopefully we do whatever we can to maximize our players' health.

[SenorSpur]

The Spurs have an assortment of moving parts and various health issues.

Manu's recovering ankle
Duncan's knee soreness
Gooden's groin and integration process
Parker's heavy minutes

It's going to be a tough road toward a championship

[Bruno]

:lol this thread is so ST.

A poster who doesn't know the exact situation with Duncan knee(s) and who I guess isn't a knee specialist say "Spurs MUST rest Duncan" and in capital letters, please...

[coachmac87]

:lol this thread is so ST.

A poster who doesn't know the exact situation with Duncan knee(s) and who I guess isn't a knee specialist say "Spurs MUST rest Duncan" and in capital letters, please...



K fine dont rest him...If the Spurs want to win a championship they have at least 40 games left to play. Its obvious Duncan is hurt, you fuckin idioit.

Tim has shot 40 of 92 since he returned...so you do the math.

[Bruno]

K fine dont rest him...If the Spurs want to win a championship they have at least 40 games left to play. Its obvious Duncan is hurt, you fuckin idioit.

Tim has shot 40 of 92 since he returned...so you do the math.

An all injuries can be heal with two weeks of rest ?

From what has been said about Duncan's injury, two weeks of rest won't help him at all. He will have to play through this injury for the rest of the season.

Fucking idiot.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think Duncan's injury is as bad as lot of people do..he was still able to move well on D and for the boards..while he obviously IS injured, I think it's more about rust and him being cautious with his knee..

[coachmac87]

An all injuries can be heal with two weeks of rest ?

From what has been said about Duncan's injury, two weeks of rest won't help him at all. He will have to play through this injury for the rest of the season.

Fucking idiot.

Wow....:rollin


FUcking idiot

[coachmac87]

Bruno...

So why is resting Duncan a bad thing? Are you watching and seeing the same Duncan that I am??

He cant move or get any lift off the floor. He needs all the rest he can get before the playoffs, because he wont get any once the playoffs start. I know the 2 weeks aint going to cure the injury but it will help. I'll take that chance of resting him and see how he is....then play him 40 more games and watch him struggle.

But hey I guess im a fuckin idiot...

[MaNu4Tres]

An all injuries can be heal with two weeks of rest ?

From what has been said about Duncan's injury, two weeks of rest won't help him at all. He will have to play through this injury for the rest of the season.

Fucking idiot.

There's still a month left to play. I'm sure the Spurs know what they are doing, but we also don't know how stubborn Tim is being with the idea sitting out. Whether it be strength training, ice, or w/e I really do think Spurs need to really think about all the options in order to get Tim as close to 100 percent as possible come late April and early May.

[coachmac87]

There's still a month left to play. I'm sure the Spurs know what they are doing, but we also don't know how stubborn Tim is being with the idea sitting out. Whether it be strength training, ice, or w/e I really do think Spurs need to really think about all the options in order to get Tim as close to 100 percent as possible come late April and early May.

:toast

[Bruno]

Bruno...

So why is resting Duncan a bad thing? Are you watching and seeing the same Duncan that I am??

He cant move or get any lift off the floor. He needs all the rest he can get before the playoffs, because he wont get any once the playoffs start. I know the 2 weeks aint going to cure the injury but it will help.

The fact that 2 weeks of rest will help the injury is a quite wild assumption.

Reports were that Duncan injury was a tendinosis. Google that term and you will see that it is an injury that takes months to heal.

[new_N_town]

but then we'll face LA if we're 8th. NO GOOOD. i think kurt and gooden however should get more minutes and rest duncan, now and then

[exstatic]

K fine dont rest him...If the Spurs want to win a championship they have at least 40 games left to play. Its obvious Duncan is hurt, you fuckin idioit.

Tim has shot 40 of 92 since he returned...so you do the math.

The math is, the rest/recup period for tendonosis is 8-10 weeks. Anything less is ineffective. The season will be over by then.

[tmtcsc]

Yeah, the biggest story of last night for me was Tim. I'm used to Tony failing to show for big games. He's done that his whole career. We've all watched him mature and get better at making those instances less and less but he still has a habit of doing it. He's been on fire lately but he still goes through stretches like he did last night in the first half.

To me, Tim looked awful. He still put up decent numbers but like the other posters in here said, he was slow, had no lift and was terrible on defense. I feel for him because he's really trying and making an effort but his knees are really bothering him.

IF rest can help Tim for this year, then I am ok resting him. If not, we will just watch a slow, painful decline.

[TwinTowers]

I can't deny Manu's recovery is very important, but SA's championship hopes lay on Duncan's play. We all know Gooden is a great addition, manu provides scoring punch, and Parker is one of the best PG in the league; however Duncan is still the heart and soul of the team, the offense and defense run through him, and the Spurs will go as far as he can take them.

I've read a lot of threads about how this is a two horse race for the WCW (lakers and spurs), but there are some teams under the radar capable of making damage in the playoffs.

I'm optimistic about the Lakers making it to the finals, and if we face the spurs I hope they are at full strength, so the victory will be sweet if we get it.

Go LAKERS:lobt2:!!

[superbigtime]

Seeing those knee pads is a bad, bad sign. Tim clearly isn't healthy. Houston is going to Kill us.

[VI_Massive]

I am so conflicted about this issue. Seeing those kneepads peeking out below his shorts last night really drove home the fact that we now have an aging big man.

I understand that his injury takes more time to heal than we necessarily have to give him, but some rest has to help, right? If nothing else than to make sure the rest of his body is as healthy as possible.

I don't buy the argument that Timmy is just playing away the rust from his few games off. He's hurt, he's going to be hurt for the rest of this year and maybe forever and its something we'll have to deal with.

Can we limit his minutes and try to get 25-30 minutes of full-out TD? Or is that not possible and we should just go with the 35 minutes of 75% TD that we've been getting?

I'm not sure.

[Spursmania]

Someone please tell me what LMAO means?

[mexicanjunior]

If Gooden and Ginoboli were healthy, I would be all for giving Duncan a week of rest. As it stands now, The Spurs would lose HCA in the first round if they sat Duncan out for an extended period of time. I really don't think this team is good enough to do any damage in the playoffs without any home court advantage whatsoever...

[mexicanjunior]

Someone please tell me what LMAO means?

LMAO = Laughing My Ass Off

[B-Hath]

When Manu comes back some of the offensive load will be taken off Tim. I would also like to see a heavier diet of Oberto in a motion offense. The Manu/Oberto combo used to kill with Obby cutting to the basket. They work too well together to not be put to use when Manu comes back.

[mexicanjunior]

The Manu/Oberto combo used to kill with Obby cutting to the basket. They work too well together to not be put to use when Manu comes back.

Actually, I can't stand when Manu and Oberto are on the floor together. It seems Manu makes it a point to try and force passes to Oberto when he rolls to the basket, which usually results in turnovers.

[xtremesteven33]

Actually, I can't stand when Manu and Oberto are on the floor together. It seems Manu makes it a point to try and force passes to Oberto when he rolls to the basket, which usually results in turnovers.



:rolleyes

[baseline bum]

If Gooden and Ginoboli were healthy, I would be all for giving Duncan a week of rest. As it stands now, The Spurs would lose HCA in the first round if they sat Duncan out for an extended period of time. I really don't think this team is good enough to do any damage in the playoffs without any home court advantage whatsoever...

This isn't last year when the West had LA, SA, NO, and Phoenix all as title threats. I could care less about being the 8-seed, because there's no way the Spurs aren't going to have to go through LA to come out of the West, and there's no way they're going to make up the difference to get homecourt. They also won't catch Boston or Cleveland, so no matter what happens the Spurs will not have homecourt in any series against a real contender. I know sitting Tim won't do any good, but I hope the team stays extra-cautious with Manu. There's no way Pheonix is going to make up being 11 down in the loss column (10 + the tiebreaker) to the Spurs with 18 games to go, so the Spurs are guaranteed to be in the playoffs.

[mexicanjunior]

This isn't last year when the West had LA, SA, NO, and Phoenix all as title threats. I could care less about being the 8-seed, because there's no way the Spurs aren't going to have to go through LA to come out of the West, and there's no way they're going to make up the difference to get homecourt. They also won't catch Boston or Cleveland, so no matter what happens the Spurs will not have homecourt in any series against a real contender. I know sitting Tim won't do any good, but I hope the team stays extra-cautious with Manu. There's no way Pheonix is going to make up being 11 down in the loss column (10 + the tiebreaker) to the Spurs with 18 games to go, so the Spurs are guaranteed to be in the playoffs.

I disagree...I think Utah, NO and Houston could be very dangerous with HCA against us. The Spurs will need every advantage they can get against those teams in a 7 game series...

[HiLouis!]

Tim has shot 40 of 92 since he returned...so you do the math.

43.478% - consider the math done. Are you not capable of such complicated calculations? Then consider the fact that we've played three contenders for the playoffs in that stretch, and he's shooting around .50 for the season...and your stats disprove your own point.

By the way, try to spell idiot correctly the next time you're attempting an insult.

THANKS!

[Chomag]

If Gooden and Ginoboli were healthy, I would be all for giving Duncan a week of rest. As it stands now, The Spurs would lose HCA in the first round if they sat Duncan out for an extended period of time. I really don't think this team is good enough to do any damage in the playoffs without any home court advantage whatsoever...

I can understand what you are saying but if Tim is the way he is now I highly doubt we can get deep in the playoffs anyway. I say screw seeding its overrated anyway. In a playoff series the best team wins and seeding really has nothing to do with it other then maybe getting a jump on the first or so wins. Healthy players imo outweighs home-court advantage.

[K-State Spur]

I really dont care if we drop to the 8th seed. When I saw the pads on the knees I knew he was going to have a bad game. He just looks so old and slow...and he gets no lift off the ground. Maybe its his age finally catching up to him, I dunno but he needs a break. It doesnt matter if the Spurs had the #1 seed, with Duncan playing like this....we aint winning shit.

The main reason why we need Duncan somewhat healthy is Manu. I cant trust on Manu coming back at full strength this season, so we at least need one of those guys somewhat healthy. I'd take a rested Duncan and a so-so Manu over a hurt Duncan and a hurt Manu. Spurs just wont make it far in the playoffs. We need one of those guys healthy. We cant afford BOTH of them being hurt and basically ineffective come playoff time.

I say rest him until April.....That gives him 10 games of rest. 2 1/2 weeks of rest should give him some fresh legs.

If this happens, you start both Gooden and Thomas....Its just an idea, but Duncan needs rest really bad. He just does not look the same and we need him dearly if we want to even sniff another one of these :lobt:

...because Pop is famous for pushing injured players and risking the playoffs for short term success.

i'm not one to trump out the 'always trust the organization' card. but it's probably safe to say that Tim, Pop, and the trainers are more on the ball with this situation than any body on this board could ever hope to be.

[Fabbs]

I do think Dunks played better then the stats showed last night.
The refs allowed several no calls, the most notable being Lamar Scrotums hacking of Tim being called a jump ball. We had the ball with a chance to tie at 93-95.

Anyone got stills on this? TNT made no attempt to replay and Doug Laker Collins and the other asstard just babbled on and made no attempt to shed light on the play.

[Spursmania]

The fact that 2 weeks of rest will help the injury is a quite wild assumption.

Reports were that Duncan injury was a tendinosis. Google that term and you will see that it is an injury that takes months to heal.


:tu Tendonosis=months to heal (2 weeks rest will not help)

[exstatic]

buddy where did you get 40 games? we only got 18 games left. get your facts straight.

He may be obtuse for the most part, but I'm sure he's factoring in the playoff run.

[The Truth #6]

I don't see how Tim can truly heal his knees when he has a degenerative condition. Given that, rest, any rest, should help him in some form. Unless people want to admit that this is as good as he's going to be from here on out, I don't see why letting him take some games off, at least as an experiment to see how he responds, is a bad idea.

The team is showing their age and wear faster we'd like. There's really no great situation. If we overplay Tony while Tim rests then he could be spent too by the time playoffs start.

Honestly, if the doctors say Ian is healthy by late April then playing him might need to be an option if Tim and Gooden can't get and stay well. Ha!

[baseline bum]

I disagree...I think Utah, NO and Houston could be very dangerous with HCA against us. The Spurs will need every advantage they can get against those teams in a 7 game series...

The Spurs can beat Utah and Houston without Manu, so they're no major concern. NO could always make a strong push, but Chandler looks horrible this year and Posey hasn't fit in well at all. However, If Manu's not near 100%, the Spurs will have absolutely zero shot at LA, Bynum or not. I'd rather not take my chances for meaningless positioning and hope to have a healthy and fresh Ginobili; the kind of shot in the arm the Lakers got in '01 when Derek Fisher came back from injury with about 10 games left.

[Thomas82]

I do think Dunks played better then the stats showed last night.
The refs allowed several no calls, the most notable being Lamar Scrotum's hacking of Tim being called a jump ball. We had the ball with a chance to tie at 93-95.

Anyone got stills on this? TNT made no attempt to replay and Doug Laker Collins and the other asstard just babbled on and made no attempt to shed light on the play.

:lmao:lmao That was funny as hell.

[exstatic]

I don't see how Tim can truly heal his knees when he has a degenerative condition. Given that, rest, any rest, should help him in some form. Unless people want to admit that this is as good as he's going to be from here on out, I don't see why letting him take some games off, at least as an experiment to see how he responds, is a bad idea.

The team is showing their age and wear faster we'd like. There's really no great situation. If we overplay Tony while Tim rests then he could be spent too by the time playoffs start.

Honestly, if the doctors say Ian is healthy by late April then playing him might need to be an option if Tim and Gooden can't get and stay well. Ha!

Tendonosis is not degenerative, and won't get worse playing on it. It also won't get better by resting it for any period of time that doesn't include the word "months". This is probably as good as he'll be, allowing for incrementally better days and worse days. Thank heavens we've won a 'Ship with Tim mostly immobile already (2005) and know we can do it.