Is Ginobili's next contract in jeopardy?

[DMX7]

With both ankles hurt, does anyone think Ginobili may be breaking down already? He's played sooo much basketball... I just don't know how much he is going to be worth after next season or if he is ever going to be a guy that plays 60+ games a season anymore.

[ducks]

he should get a BIG PAYCUT
and short term
spurs will not resign him to a longterm deal now though

[spursfaninla]

This is true. He has had too many health problems to be relied upon for the future. That does not mean the Spurs should cast him off, but they should keep him in a reserve roll, reduce his minutes even further, and develop some of the other young talent we have access to.

[ducks]

also do not be surpised if nuggets offer him a long term deal and he leaves

[new_N_town]

i wish nothing but malice on him if he does take up another teams offer.

[Spursfan092120]

I think I remember hearing Manu saying he wouldn't play for another NBA team except the Spurs, and if the Spurs wouldn't have him, he'd go back to Argentina and play.

[ducks]

sj said pop was his only coach to then he went to the hawks now gs

[Indazone]

He might play with Scola :lol

[ducks]

He might play with Scola :lol

yeah he and ncgrady can have fun on the bench together hurt

[jag]

I think I remember hearing Manu saying he wouldn't play for another NBA team except the Spurs, and if the Spurs wouldn't have him, he'd go back to Argentina and play.

When/where did you "hear" this?

[houston spurs fan]

Financially, not only is manu a huge fan favorite in SA but also gives the Spurs a global market along with Parker. They will definitely sign him. He makes too much money for the team for them to let him go.

[Sigz]

Fuck Manu. He's always injured when the games count.

[DMX7]

Financially, not only is manu a huge fan favorite in SA but also gives the Spurs a global market along with Parker. They will definitely sign him. He makes too much money for the team for them to let him go.

He makes money for the team when he is playing. He may not have too much left in the tank is the problem.

[timvp]

This latest injury undoubtedly hurts his ability to negotiate with the Spurs. That first ankle injury could have been seen as someone of an isolated incident. This latest injury could be a signal that his body is just breaking down.

That said, if he can come back and have a strong playoff run, a two-year extension makes sense this summer. The Spurs could potentially lock him into a lower than open market rate and Ginobili would have the added security in case his injuries become chronic.

[exstatic]

It's probably not good for his SA future that they tabled the extension talks after his ankle surgery...and he's hurt again.

[BlackSwordsMan]

if he leaves take oberto

[houston spurs fan]

Fuck Manu. He's always injured when the games count.

What a lack of respect? This guy probably lives in Dallas

[Spursmania]

Fuck Manu. He's always injured when the games count.

Dude that's pretty harsh. Manu has helped this team in numerous ways including winning Championships. You remember his drives when no one else wanted to get punished. Give the guy a chance to come back and help us in the playoffs before you disregard him like that.

If you have DVD of the Spurs Championship when manu played, you should check him out and then ask yourself if we could have done it without him. He was an integral part of the puzzle. This latest injury is 100% recoverable. He'll be back. Have some faith in a team (and Manu) that has helped bring this city more Championships than any small market ever is supposed to win.

[kace]

Dude that's pretty harsh. Manu has helped this team in numerous ways including winning Championships. You remember his drives when no one else wanted to get punished. Give the guy a chance to come back and help us in the playoffs before you disregard him like that.

If you have DVD of the Spurs Championship when manu played, you should check him out and then ask yourself if we could have done it without him. He was an integral part of the puzzle. This latest injury is 100% recoverable. He'll be back. Have some faith in a team (and Manu) that has helped bring this city more Championships than any small market ever is supposed to win.

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.

[ElNono]

This latest injury undoubtedly hurts his ability to negotiate with the Spurs. That first ankle injury could have been seen as someone of an isolated incident. This latest injury could be a signal that his body is just breaking down.

That said, if he can come back and have a strong playoff run, a two-year extension makes sense this summer. The Spurs could potentially lock him into a lower than open market rate and Ginobili would have the added security in case his injuries become chronic.

+1

Plus we don't have the talent to compete for a championship without him. And you can't get equal value in return right now. Not to mention that we don't have enough until 2010 in cap room to sign a substantial talent.
Luckily, we have a coaching staff and a medical staff that will make an informed decision about this, unlike the hacks like ducks over here.

[ElNono]

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.

You really have short memory. Tim Duncan had planar fasciitis in 2006. You don't lose a 7 game series in one play. Plus if not for Manu, we're not in position to win that game anyways (he nailed a huge trey the play before to give us the first lead in the game). Without Manu, that series doesn't make it to 7 games.

In 2007 he was huge when it mattered. He single handledy won us a game in Utah on the road. He and Oberto finished off the Cavs at the end of the championship game.

In 2008 he was also instrumental in winning the Suns series (with his penetration, and winning basket against the pivotal double OT game 1), and against the Hornets on the road for game 7. Not to mention he carried us pretty much the entire regular season.

If you want to hate just for hating, go ahead. But get your shit right before you start making a fool out of yourself.

[Capt Bringdown]

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.

+1 :tu

[houston spurs fan]

You really have short memory. Tim Duncan had planar fasciitis in 2006. You don't lose a 7 game series in one play. Plus if not for Manu, we're not in position to win that game anyways (he nailed a huge trey the play before to give us the first lead in the game). Without Manu, that series doesn't make it to 7 games.

In 2007 he was huge when it mattered. He single handledy won us a game in Utah on the road. He and Oberto finished off the Cavs at the end of the championship game.

In 2008 he was also instrumental in winning the Suns series (with his penetration, and winning basket against the pivotal double OT game 1), and against the Hornets on the road for game 7. Not to mention he carried us pretty much the entire regular season.

If you want to hate just for hating, go ahead. But get your shit right before you start making a fool out of yourself.

well said...how can a guy who has done this much for the organization both on and off the court get so much disrespect from people that claim to be fans...

[Spursmania]

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.

We won a championship in 2007! He had some great plays and not all Manu does can be summed up with numbers. Pop calls it all the time, he brings energy to the floor, makes a steal here or there and YES, makes mistakes (the foul in 2006, how can any of us forget). But, we didn't lose that round solely because of Manu.

YES, he was hurt in 2008, that's why POP wants him healthy for this run. So, you can blame 2008 on Manu because he was unhealthy in the finals. Regardless, I agree we need him to be Manu again, and I also agree if he doesn't show up in these playoffs, his contract may very well be screwed.
But you cannot deny he brings a lot to our team and has helped our team win Championships.

[gwidlon]

Wow, you are right.
manu should turn down any contract from other teams and pay to play for the spurs...
that makes sense.

[Spursmania]

You really have short memory. Tim Duncan had planar fasciitis in 2006. You don't lose a 7 game series in one play. Plus if not for Manu, we're not in position to win that game anyways (he nailed a huge trey the play before to give us the first lead in the game). Without Manu, that series doesn't make it to 7 games.

In 2007 he was huge when it mattered. He single handledy won us a game in Utah on the road. He and Oberto finished off the Cavs at the end of the championship game.

In 2008 he was also instrumental in winning the Suns series (with his penetration, and winning basket against the pivotal double OT game 1), and against the Hornets on the road for game 7. Not to mention he carried us pretty much the entire regular season.

If you want to hate just for hating, go ahead. But get your shit right before you start making a fool out of yourself.

:tu

[timvp]

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.:td

Obviously, Manu played out of his mind in 2005. But he was damn good in the playoffs in both 2006 and 2007. Last year is the only year since 2005 that Manu didn't play well enough for the Spurs to win a championship.

The Dirk foul, non-pass to Horry and missed layup all hurt but the Spurs didn't get eliminated by that alone. If the Spurs had anyone to defend Dirk, Manu was pulling more than enough weight.

I realize Spurs fans are a fickle bunch but jumping off the Manu bandwagon now doesn't make much sense. Diminishing his past accomplishments makes even less sense.

For all the blood and sweat Manu has given this team over the years, there's no reason for a Spurs fan to be unappreciative. I, for one, am excited about Manu's eventual return and can't wait to see a fresh Manu take out his frustrations on opponents in the playoffs.

:smokin

[Bruno]

Giving an extension to Ginobili this summer would be quite a gamble given his health trouble. I doubt Spurs will take that gamble given their great cap situation in 2010.
Spurs best interest is to take the safest route and to wait what Manu do in 2009-2010 before signing him to a new contract. I call it the safest route because the risk to lose Manu in the 2010 FA is extremely low. Teams with cap space won't spend it on a 33 years old Ginobili.

[ducks]

manu needs to help take the pressure off of tp and duncan this playoff seriers
he can be quiet in playoffs
the lakers he fucking better go off

[porscha]

For all the blood and sweat Manu has given this team over the years, there's no reason for a Spurs fan to be unappreciative. I, for one, am excited about Manu's eventual return and can't wait to see a fresh Manu take out his frustrations on opponents in the playoffs.


:tu:tu:tu:tu:tu:tu

[Chieflion]

No extensions. The CBA may change in 2010. Why should the Spurs give Ginobili an extension when you know you can make a lowball offer.

[MmP]

I can't really believe some opinions here bashing Manu after all the things he's given to Spurs...

[caribbean_spur]

Damn some "fans" are some ingrate bunch. :depressed

[024]

Giving an extension to Ginobili this summer would be quite a gamble given his health trouble. I doubt Spurs will take that gamble given their great cap situation in 2010.
Spurs best interest is to take the safest route and to wait what Manu do in 2009-2010 before signing him to a new contract. I call it the safest route because the risk to lose Manu in the 2010 FA is extremely low. Teams with cap space won't spend it on a 33 years old Ginobili.

i agree with this. contract extension talks should be on hold indefinitely. any future contract that's not a pay cut would be a shaky gamble on ginobili's health. with duncan's body finally breaking down, can the spurs really afford a $10+ million on another player whose health would also be questionable? spurs FO should aggressively pursue a replacement for the big 3 in 2010 and have ginobili as a second or third option if they fail. if offering ginobili less money means ginobili leaving, then he has the right to do so. the coming years will be focused on how to give duncan the best chance to win championships, not ginobili. it's not saying the spurs aren't thankful for ginobili's help over the past years, it's saying the spurs are more thankful for duncan.

[Chieflion]

Damn some "fans" are some ingrate bunch. :depressed
/It is not about being ungrateful, it is just the business side of things for the Spurs.

[ducks]

I can't really believe some opinions here bashing Manu after all the things he's given to Spurs...

he has done nothing except for not doing what spurs who are paying him suggested he do not do

[ducks]

Gino will take a pay cut. It isn't about the cash for him. It's about winning and that's what makes him a true Spur.

is that why he visited denver last time he was a fa?

[ducks]

Damn some "fans" are some ingrate bunch. :depressed

spur fans know the cap and know that spurs can only pay so much a year
they want a title
they also know manu is making alot of money
spurs can not go sign someone to replace him when he is hurt
spurs are greedy they want tittles

[roycrikside]

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.

This is a ridiculous take. You're so biased it's disgusting.

In 2006, there wouldn't have been a Game 7 vs. Dallas if not for how Manu played in Game 6 on the road. He had 30 points and carried the team (when Tony sucked that game, I might add). In game 7, it was his three that gave the team a lead in the first place. If the ref just called an obvious fall on Dirk for pushing Tim on that rebound at the end, we win the game if Tim makes either one of two free throws with no time left.

In 2007 Manu was our best player in the wins over the Suns in Games 3, 5, and 6. We don't win that Game 5 on the road, where we were down 15 or something at half, without a big second half from Manu. In the Conference Finals against Utah, it was Manu who went to the line again and again and again to bring the Spurs back in that game and ensure that we wouldn't go to game 5 tied 2-2. In the Finals Manu played very well in three of the four games. He didn't win Finals MVP, so you choose to forget his performance. He even led the team in scoring in Game 4, the clinching game.

In 2008 all you remember is the Lakers series, but you ignore that the Spurs wouldn't have even gotten past the Hornets without Manu playing well. He led the team in scoring (21 ppg) and assists (6 apg). Not too useless.

Take your hatred somewhere else. Without Manu this team goes nowhere and thankfully most of the board is smart enough to realize it.

[roycrikside]

spur fans know the cap and know that spurs can only pay so much a year
they want a title
they also know manu is making alot of money
spurs can not go sign someone to replace him when he is hurt
spurs are greedy they want tittles

I know I want me some tittles. Good thing I have a girlfriend for when the Spurs aren't on. :lol:lol

[mytespurs]

:td

Obviously, Manu played out of his mind in 2005. But he was damn good in the playoffs in both 2006 and 2007. Last year is the only year since 2005 that Manu didn't play well enough for the Spurs to win a championship.

The Dirk foul, non-pass to Horry and missed layup all hurt but the Spurs didn't get eliminated by that alone. If the Spurs had anyone to defend Dirk, Manu was pulling more than enough weight.

I realize Spurs fans are a fickle bunch but jumping off the Manu bandwagon now doesn't make much sense. Diminishing his past accomplishments makes even less sense.

For all the blood and sweat Manu has given this team over the years, there's no reason for a Spurs fan to be unappreciative. I, for one, am excited about Manu's eventual return and can't wait to see a fresh Manu take out his frustrations on opponents in the playoffs.

:smokin

Bravo TimVP!
If the Spurs let him go, I would hate to face him playing against one of the west coast rivals.

[ducks]

Bravo TimVP! :thumbsup

If the Spurs let him go, I would hate to face him playing against one of the west coast rivals.

if he is hurt and it it is in the postseason
he would never be 100%

[roycrikside]

well said...how can a guy who has done this much for the organization both on and off the court get so much disrespect from people that claim to be fans...

they're not fans. They're ze French.

[roycrikside]

manu needs to help take the pressure off of tp and duncan this playoff seriers
he can be quiet in playoffs
the lakers he fucking better go off

Ok, so you're saying unless he plays out of his mind against the Lakers, you're gonna bash him, and even if he does play well and the Spurs win another title, well it's no big deal, you won't give him any credit at all because he's just doing what he's supposed to and he should still take a huge paycut because of his injuries.

So we're clear then? Cool.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

This is a ridiculous take. You're so biased it's disgusting.

In 2006, there wouldn't have been a Game 7 vs. Dallas if not for how Manu played in Game 6 on the road. He had 30 points and carried the team (when Tony sucked that game, I might add). In game 7, it was his three that gave the team a lead in the first place. If the ref just called an obvious fall on Dirk for pushing Tim on that rebound at the end, we win the game if Tim makes either one of two free throws with no time left.

In 2007 Manu was our best player in the wins over the Suns in Games 3, 5, and 6. We don't win that Game 5 on the road, where we were down 15 or something at half, without a big second half from Manu. In the Conference Finals against Utah, it was Manu who went to the line again and again and again to bring the Spurs back in that game and ensure that we wouldn't go to game 5 tied 2-2. In the Finals Manu played very well in three of the four games. He didn't win Finals MVP, so you choose to forget his performance. He even led the team in scoring in Game 4, the clinching game.

In 2008 all you remember is the Lakers series, but you ignore that the Spurs wouldn't have even gotten past the Hornets without Manu playing well. He led the team in scoring (21 ppg) and assists (6 apg). Not too useless.

Take your hatred somewhere else. Without Manu this team goes nowhere and thankfully most of the board is smart enough to realize it.

kace LOVES to forget when he's trying to make a point...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

they're not fans. They're ze French.

Its not a French thing. Its a homer thing. Everybody's got them, and kace and ducks are among the biggest in here

[Brazil]

they're not fans. They're ze French.

Roy I don't know you but GTFOH !

Kace is French and he is expressing a personnal opinion an idiot one for me but this is his opinion. let the French out of this shit, Kace is not representative of the French he is representative of himself.

I'm French and you know what ? I am also a big fan of Manu, for me there is nothing wrong for playing for his country, his injury is just bad luck. All spurs fans should be grateful to have Manu in the team I hope he will retire as a spur, I also whish him the HOF and at least another ring with the spurs oh and I hope the spurs will give him a contract extension.

[superbigtime]

I think Manu will heal up fine and be back sometime in early April or for last 10 games or so. Hopefully he will find his rhythm and fragile confidence and not be the spazz that he was early this year and in last year's playoffs. I think when he is injured or not 100% he is far more erratic. I appreciate everything he has done for the Spurs. I think his injuries have been rather unusual and not the usual body breakdown type of injuries which are usually knees and back. I hope Spurs sign him on the cheap.

[anonoftheinternets]

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.

dude chill we know u hav a hardon for TP, doesnt mean manu dint do nething for us. I could bring up the similar statistics for TP. The point is none of the big 3 play for "stats". So u cant jus say manu did not score, pop runs a tight ship and controls who scores and who does what. If it were abt stats, manu cud put up obscene numbers, so cud tp so could tim and we wud have our own version of rockets, where at one point, tmac, artest and yao chucked shots all over the place. Try to understand the spurs philosophy and enjoy the wonderfully orchestrated show that pop puts on for us year after year. Manu will defintely get a chance to prove himself, and if he doesnt perform this year, he will be the first to take a pay cut (the big 3 are prob the most underpaid big three in all of sports) and relegate himself to a brent barry type role or a michael finley role. He is going to retire a spur, and we should be thankful, so please open your eyes, and keep your hate to yourself. :flag:

[ginomvp]

Dude that's pretty harsh. Manu has helped this team in numerous ways including winning Championships. You remember his drives when no one else wanted to get punished. Give the guy a chance to come back and help us in the playoffs before you disregard him like that.

If you have DVD of the Spurs Championship when manu played, you should check him out and then ask yourself if we could have done it without him. He was an integral part of the puzzle. This latest injury is 100% recoverable. He'll be back. Have some faith in a team (and Manu) that has helped bring this city more Championships than any small market ever is supposed to win.
well put i agree 100%.

[vander]

when he came up lame against the lakers last year, his "next contract" became the MLE, nothing much has changed since

[TMTTRIO]

I hope he proves everyone who says he's finished wrong and I think he should finish his career somewhere else (as long as he doesn't end up on the Lakers).

[ElNono]

he has done nothing except for not doing what spurs who are paying him suggested he do not do

If the Spurs didn't want him to play the Olympics he would have not played. That's the bottom line. Injuries happen. Didn't your boy got a finger fractured playing for France a season ago, and got Pop irate too?
Should we trade him now too? After all, he wasn't getting paid millions to go fracture his finger.

What makes you look even more retarded, is that you were pandering left and right how Manu would never be the same earlier in the season, after which Manu proceeded to shut you up by stringing a bunch of 30+ games, showing off his athleticism. At that point you shut the hell up. Now you're back to pandering bullshit left and right. And I can't wait for Manu to come back and shut your trap one more time.

[ducks]

If the Spurs didn't want him to play the Olympics he would have not played. That's the bottom line. Injuries happen. Didn't your boy got a finger fractured playing for France a season ago, and got Pop irate too?
Should we trade him now too? After all, he wasn't getting paid millions to go fracture his finger.

What makes you look even more retarded, is that you were pandering left and right how Manu would never be the same earlier in the season, after which Manu proceeded to shut you up by stringing a bunch of 30+ games, showing off his athleticism. At that point you shut the hell up. Now you're back to pandering bullshit left and right. And I can't wait for Manu to come back and shut your trap one more time.pop suggested in the newspaper he not play

that makes you the retard not me

[aka_USAPA]

For a championship team, the Spurs are really a cheap organization. And they are getting away with it because the players are letting them. Manu's injury and season will be a welcome leverage come contract negotiations time for the Spurs. ;)

[ElNono]

pop suggested in the newspaper he not play

that makes you the retard not me

Because Pop loves to send messages through the newspapers instead of talking directly to his players... :rolleyes

Pop said he preferred that he did not play, but he understood why Manu did want/was playing, and GAVE TO OK. Manu said many times he would not play if Pop said no. Plus this entire lane of argument is completely irrelevant, because he had surgery, he healed fine, and played plenty well after his recovery. The current injury has zero to do with the Olympics.

And you didn't answer my question. Tony fractured a finger playing for France in the offseason. He also missed games due to injury in the last two sesons. Under your fucked up criteria, Tony is breaking down.
Do we trade Tony now before it gets worse?

How about we trade Tony and Manu for Oden? :lol

You suck at this. You should do yourself a favor and STFU already.

[DMX7]

Because Pop loves to send messages through the newspapers instead of talking directly to his players... :rolleyes

Pop said he preferred that he did not play, but he understood why Manu did want/was playing, and GAVE TO OK. Manu said many times he would not play if Pop said no. Plus this entire lane of argument is completely irrelevant, because he had surgery, he healed fine, and played plenty well after his recovery. The current injury has zero to do with the Olympics.

And you didn't answer my question. Tony fractured a finger playing for France in the offseason. He also missed games due to injury in the last two sesons. Under your fucked up criteria, Tony is breaking down.
Do we trade Tony now before it gets worse?

How about we trade Tony and Manu for Oden? :lol

You suck at this. You should do yourself a favor and STFU already.

He can't tell him not to play. He suggested it wasn't a good idea (and doing so publically for Pop is usually a big deal).

[ducks]

tp was playing in the playoffs
manu could not play against the lakers
big difference
also tp plays more minutes then manu

[ducks]

tp was playing in the playoffs
manu could not play against the lakers
big difference
also tp plays more minutes then manu

[ElNono]

He can't tell him not to play. He suggested it wasn't a good idea (and doing so publically for Pop is usually a big deal).

When Manu gave his very first press conference after the PO in Argentina, he said he was most likely out of the olympics. It was reported everywhere. Only after the Spurs sent a doctor to supervise his rehab and only after he had tests done IN SAN ANTONIO, he was cleared to play. The reality is that they knew he was going to need surgery. The Olympics only delayed the inevitable.
And I'll take Manu's word that everything was ok with Pop and the Spurs over the opinion of a Spurstalk poster.

Not to mention, again, that this is old news. How are the Olympics related to his current injury again?

[ElNono]

tp was playing in the playoffs
manu could not play against the lakers
big difference
also tp plays more minutes then manu

You know the Olympics were AFTER the Lakers series, right? And you know Manu did not play for Argentina the summer before last season too?

WTF are you bitching about again?

[it's me]

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/59/61/596161_87455620.jpg

[it's me]

I know... I'll use this pic a lot.

[ducks]

yeah using copyrighted pics are so smart

[mytespurs]

I hope he proves everyone who says he's finished wrong and I think he should finish his career somewhere else (as long as he doesn't end up on the Lakers).

I hope not....I want him to finish his career w/the Spurs....but it would be just our luck that he would end up with the Lakers if the Spurs cut him loose....and just our luck, he'd have a great year. People who want Manu out better be careful what they wish for...................

[ducks]

where would he play on the lakers
this year he plays on the bench

[The Truth #6]

sj said pop was his only coach to then he went to the hawks now gs

That's a simplification of what happened, but if it helps you create a scenario to get Manu out of town more quickly, yeah, sure, go with it.

[ducks]

my point was anything said publically does not matter on any player
what they say privately matters more
but nothing is certain until it is signed

[raspsa]

I'd love to see Manu retire a Spur... a lot will depend on how he finishes the season.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

since the 2005 PO where manu was great and a big part of our title and arguably a finals MVP:


2006 PO: killed us with the famous foul on Dirk
2007 PO: overall really average: 16.7 ppg at only 40 % FG
2008 PO: hurt and hampered so useless at best, if not hurting his own team


Manu REALLY NEEDS to be good these PO or it will be four straight years, for different reasons, of disappointing PO performances for him.

Fucking hell dude, have you at least bothered to watch these games at all?

There's no point in even starting to argue here, this is flat out ridiculous. Vander would be proud of you.

Manu will get his 2 year extension this summer and it will be well deserved.

[buttsR4rebounding]

also do not be surpised if nuggets offer him a long term deal and he leaves

I would be shocked if the Nuggets offered him a big long term deal. First, Kiki is gone. He is the one who was enamored with Manu. Second, and more important the Nuggets are over the salary cap for the 2010 season already. They gave up cap flexibility when they traded away Iverson's expiring contract. Now Houston is a team that might make a run at him.

[baseline bum]

I hope not, but all Spurs fans have to be feeling some major fears that Manu's body is breaking down. I'd still take timvp's gamble of a two-year extension if he can come back healthy this season and playoffs though; players like Manu don't come around too often to a team that's not getting lottery picks, and I don't see any way he's replaceable.

[TMTTRIO]

Well if he does get healthy and doesn't get a decent deal from the Spurs or another team I could still see a Euro team coming after him and wanting him to finish his career over there just like he started it which might be good for him.

[urunobili]

Well if he does get healthy and doesn't get a decent deal from the Spurs or another team I could still see a Euro team coming after him and wanting him to finish his career over there just like he started it which might be good for him.

IIRC his career started at the Argentinean league :wakeup

[coyotes_geek]

Manu's injuries are costing him some bucks, but he'll still get the extension. The Spurs don't want him as a free agent in 2010 and between the economy and his injury history they've got a real strong bargaining position right now. They'll be able to squeeze him into a nicely discounted deal. Manu will go along with it because he's got to protect himself. Between his injuries and the economy there's no guarantee that the money will be there for him in 2010.

[MoSpur]

I don't think he's going to make that much on his next contract. He'll get another contract offer from the Spurs, but it won't be for that much and for that long.

[rascal]

Dude that's pretty harsh. Manu has helped this team in numerous ways including winning Championships. You remember his drives when no one else wanted to get punished. Give the guy a chance to come back and help us in the playoffs before you disregard him like that.

If you have DVD of the Spurs Championship when manu played, you should check him out and then ask yourself if we could have done it without him. He was an integral part of the puzzle. This latest injury is 100% recoverable. He'll be back. Have some faith in a team (and Manu) that has helped bring this city more Championships than any small market ever is supposed to win.

Stop looking at what a player has done in the past and look what you will get in the future instead. paying players just for what they have done in the past instead of what they will do in the future is not a way to be successful.

[kace]

You really have short memory. Tim Duncan had planar fasciitis in 2006. You don't lose a 7 game series in one play. Plus if not for Manu, we're not in position to win that game anyways (he nailed a huge trey the play before to give us the first lead in the game). Without Manu, that series doesn't make it to 7 games.

In 2007 he was huge when it mattered. He single handledy won us a game in Utah on the road. He and Oberto finished off the Cavs at the end of the championship game.

In 2008 he was also instrumental in winning the Suns series (with his penetration, and winning basket against the pivotal double OT game 1), and against the Hornets on the road for game 7. Not to mention he carried us pretty much the entire regular season.

If you want to hate just for hating, go ahead. But get your shit right before you start making a fool out of yourself.


We won a championship in 2007! He had some great plays and not all Manu does can be summed up with numbers. Pop calls it all the time, he brings energy to the floor, makes a steal here or there and YES, makes mistakes (the foul in 2006, how can any of us forget). But, we didn't lose that round solely because of Manu.

YES, he was hurt in 2008, that's why POP wants him healthy for this run. So, you can blame 2008 on Manu because he was unhealthy in the finals. Regardless, I agree we need him to be Manu again, and I also agree if he doesn't show up in these playoffs, his contract may very well be screwed.
But you cannot deny he brings a lot to our team and has helped our team win Championships.

guys, i know it's difficult to anyone, especially a french guy, to say something bad about manu here.

but i said that it has been three straight PO DISAPOINTING performances for manu.

you say that he didn't killed us alone in 2006. you're right and maybe i shouldn't have said he killed us. but do you remember how much he was sad about his stupid foul, which probably costed us, like it or not, the win against the mavs. i think it"s safe to say that it was a disapointing PO performance for manu this year considering he said it himself.

In 2007, you said he had great moments. Of course. do you think i'm blind ? a player like manu always has great moments in a strecht of 25 games. but 16.7 ppg at 40 % was a rather disapointing performance for him.

In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault. but even if he had also great moments, i think you would be the only ones to say it wasn't a disapointing PO performance from manu, even him, again said that.

so, clearly, for different reasons, it has been 3 straight DISAPOINTING PO performances for him. if you don't agree, go see again the 2005 PO and manu's level there. and the 2007-2008 RS tells me that he has still in him this level of basketball. he just didn't show it in the PO for a while.
and that's a fact, not an opinion.

[urunobili]

so, clearly, for different reasons, it has been 3 straight DISAPOINTING PO performances for him. if you don't agree, go see again the 2005 PO and manu's level there. and the 2007-2008 RS tells me that he has still in him this level of basketball. he just didn't show it in the PO for a while.
and that's a fact, not an opinion.

what you are clearly doing is proving yourself a biased hater... i could reply to any of the examples you posted with 10 plays that make up for that so now just breathe... relax... and step away front he fucking keyboard for 10 minutes... :wakeup

[DaBears]

Everyone one who is jumping off the manu bangwagon faster than a sinking titantic ship!! Can bite the big one. Ask any coach, player, and real spurs fans, that without Manu we dont win, so regardless of whether or not he's injured or not we win with him or lose without him.

[DaBears]

I'd take a Manu @ 50% over a Manu in a sport blazer any day!

[DaBears]

Spurs fans dont flip flop like politians do.

[LionZion]

Gino will take a pay cut. It isn't about the cash for him. It's about winning and that's what makes him a true Spur.
:toast

Sometimes the fans disappoint more than our team tbh. Manu, from all we have seen, will do whats best for the team without the FO or Pop having to negotiate all that much. The only exception is his play in the Olympics and that, whether ppl understand it or not, is a big deal for athletes across the world to represent their country in their sport in the Olympics. He made it to the NBA becoz of the opportunities his country and family gave him and he made the most of it.

As for who pays the bills, it matters, but the Olympics and his home team and his fans in Argentina matter just a little bit more. And he went with team permission.

The reason I have loved the Spurs for a long is exemplified by D. Rob. Its about loyalty and faith by the players and towards the players even though its a hard business and times are tough. Manu will do whats best his team now. I know that for sure.

[LionZion]

guys, i know it's difficult to anyone, especially a french guy, to say something bad about manu here.

i think it"s safe to say that it was a disapointing PO performance for manu this year considering he said it himself.

In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault. but even if he had also great moments, i think you would be the only ones to say it wasn't a disapointing PO performance from manu, even him, again said that.


If yer gonna listen to what Manu says, he is probably the most disappointing player in the NBA who lets his team down after every game coz we didn't plaster the other team enough.

Pop says we dun have a chance in the playoffs without Manu. Thats a fact. :flag:

You say Manu has been bad for three years and its a fact. :bang
If the second is true, Pops gotta be turning senile to be saying the first. And I suppose with his antics this year, you probably have proof that Pop has indeed gone senile :bang

[Ginobilirules]

These kinds of post are seriously retarded by the writer and these so-called bogus fake spurs fans here. truly"' Manu is our best player hands down, without him we can't a championship we are very deep yes, but Manu is unguardable"' and can dominate on any given night, also don't fool yourself he one our truly untouchables on the spurs team they re not stupid enough to let him go anywhere. and he said many times even recently that intends stay a spur until he's ready to hang up the shoes. he can play probably til he's around 38 to 40 before he's retired.meven with the injuries he's had he usually bounces back quite strongly due to him being determined about his health and being in dedicated fitness. you obviously don't know Manu's abilty to bounce back with his health. retarded, biased, and uneducated post seriously.

[roycrikside]

guys, i know it's difficult to anyone, especially a french guy, to say something bad about manu here.

but i said that it has been three straight PO DISAPOINTING performances for manu.

you say that he didn't killed us alone in 2006. you're right and maybe i shouldn't have said he killed us. but do you remember how much he was sad about his stupid foul, which probably costed us, like it or not, the win against the mavs. i think it"s safe to say that it was a disapointing PO performance for manu this year considering he said it himself.

In 2007, you said he had great moments. Of course. do you think i'm blind ? a player like manu always has great moments in a strecht of 25 games. but 16.7 ppg at 40 % was a rather disapointing performance for him.

In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault. but even if he had also great moments, i think you would be the only ones to say it wasn't a disapointing PO performance from manu, even him, again said that.

so, clearly, for different reasons, it has been 3 straight DISAPOINTING PO performances for him. if you don't agree, go see again the 2005 PO and manu's level there. and the 2007-2008 RS tells me that he has still in him this level of basketball. he just didn't show it in the PO for a while.
and that's a fact, not an opinion.

You're a moron. You don't understand that Manu is such a competitor that anytime the team doesn't win it all he's going to hold himself responsible and be very disappointed. It's funny you use examples of Manu himself saying he wasn't happy with his play in '06 and '08, but in '07 you don't have any such quotes. Instead you state your personal disappointment with him. Why? BECAUSE WHEN THE SPURS WIN TITLES, MANU IS HAPPY AND WON'T HAVE ANY REGRETS.

Don't you understand by now? Manu can average 50 points a game in the Finals, but if they don't win, he'll be upset and think he could've done more. Winners always think that way.

You hate Manu and you're clearly biased against him. Just admit it. In the 2006 playoffs you remember one play. That's it. He averaged 20 ppg against Dallas in that series. Do you care? No. There wouldn't even have been a game 7 if he didn't save us in Game 6. Do you mention that? No. Manu himself gave us the three point lead before his foul. You don't care.

In 2007 our toughest series, pretty much the de-facto NBA Finals was the second round matchup with the Suns. Who was our best player that series? Manu Fucking Ginobili. Look it up. He was the best player in Games 3, 5, and 6. He won game 4 on the road against Utah and Game 4 on the road against Cleveland. Tony Parker's +/- in the Finals was +24. Manu's was +48. I guess he had an awful Finals, huh? He didn't win the Finals MVP, so he must have sucked I guess. 18 ppg and 6 rpg. Total disappointing series for him.

In 2008 he averaged 21 ppg and 6 assists per game against Hornets. He led the team in scoring five of the seven games, including games 6 and 7. The Spurs don't even play the Lakers without him.

Your arguments are pathetic. Basically you want Manu to average 25 points and shoot 50% or he "sucks." The guy takes like 14 shots a game, not 30 like Kobe.

[Kori Ellis]

Manu will probably get a 2-year, $18-20M deal.

[kace]

You hate Manu and you're clearly biased against him.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3175816&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3174565&postcount=28

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3062002&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3055406&postcount=17

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3002743&postcount=16

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2987890&postcount=21

oh, yes, i'm such a hater.....:rolleyes

[timvp]

In 2007 our toughest series, pretty much the de-facto NBA Finals was the second round matchup with the Suns. Who was our best player that series? Manu Fucking Ginobili. Look it up.While I agree with your overall defense of Ginobili, this quote is simply not true. Tim Duncan averaged 26.8 points, 13.7 rebounds and 4.2 blocks and shot 57.3% from the field in the series. Ginobili played really well in 10 of the 24 quarters in the series but no way he had a better series than Duncan. Factor in Parker's defense and consistency in the series and it's safe to say Parker also had a better series.

But yeah, I have no problem with how Ginobili played in 2007. It wasn't 2005 but it's not like Duncan played as well in 2005 or 2007 as he did in 2003.

[kace]

While I agree with your overall defense of Ginobili, this quote is simply not true. Tim Duncan averaged 26.8 points, 13.7 rebounds and 4.2 blocks and shot 57.3% from the field in the series. Ginobili played really well in 10 of the 24 quarters in the series but no way he had a better series than Duncan. Factor in Parker's defense and consistency in the series and it's safe to say Parker also had a better series.

But yeah, I have no problem with how Ginobili played in 2007. It wasn't 2005 but it's not like Duncan played as well in 2005 or 2007 as he did in 2003.

would you say that 16,7 ppg (his lowest since 2004) and above all 40 % FG was average for manu ? i don't see anything infamous by saying that. of course, i'm OK with it since we've won it all this year.

[roycrikside]

While I agree with your overall defense of Ginobili, this quote is simply not true. Tim Duncan averaged 26.8 points, 13.7 rebounds and 4.2 blocks and shot 57.3% from the field in the series. Ginobili played really well in 10 of the 24 quarters in the series but no way he had a better series than Duncan. Factor in Parker's defense and consistency in the series and it's safe to say Parker also had a better series.

But yeah, I have no problem with how Ginobili played in 2007. It wasn't 2005 but it's not like Duncan played as well in 2005 or 2007 as he did in 2003.

Manu had a very quiet first two games, and maybe game 4, but he was the key to games 3, 5 and 6 in that series. I would argue that some people say he had an average playoffs because he started off slow, playing below average five of the first seven games, but of their last 13 games those playoffs, eleven were very good.

[roycrikside]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3175816&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3174565&postcount=28

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3062002&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3055406&postcount=17

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3002743&postcount=16

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2987890&postcount=21

oh, yes, i'm such a hater.....:rolleyes


Most of those posts were left-handed compliments, at best. You're the guy who said Manu has had three crappy playoffs in a row when he hasn't had one. He's had a couple of disappointing finishes, but whenever a team doesn't win, there are many reasons. If you want to blame a player for being injured, don't expect me to look kindly upon that.

[Technique]

I can't believe how the so called Spurs fans are so rude and disrespectful towards Manu and even Pop. Honestly. That's just wrong.

[kace]

You're the guy who said Manu has had three crappy playoffs in a row when he hasn't had one.

DISAPPOINTING is not exactly the same thing as crappy i think.


If you want to blame a player for being injured, don't expect me to look kindly upon that.



In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault

do you read ??



Manu will get his 2 year extension this summer and it will be well deserved.


Manu will retire as a spur. i'm sure about it and it's the way it should be. stop asking a trade.

so, we agree.


hell, it's nearly impossible to argue about manu with some people. so let's say manu can't do wrong and that he will be our savior.

[Slippy]

This is laughable. Manu was massive in the 07 play-offs. Only a hater would be retarded enough to base Manu's play on shooting percentage and scoring average. A good example of numbers not telling the true story was game 4 of the WC finals.. against Utah when in the 4th Manu put the team on his back relentlessly attacking the rim and getting to the line. Now he only shot 40 percent for that game but he willed his team to a win. Where putting points on the score-board was difficult for both teams and Utah pounded the hell out him. A huge 4th quarter performance that would get lost in translation if FG percentage and averages is all that mattered.

[smeagol]

hell, it's nearly impossible to argue about manu with some people. so let's say manu can't do wrong and that he will be our savior.

Dude, that line is so fucking old. Change your script already . . . .

[urunobili]

:lmao at kace joining Vander, rascal and ducks with the Manu hate... more food for smeagol at the end of the day :lol

[scandals4u]

Wow what a kick in the nads, Manu is done for the season I sure as hell hope those olympics were worth it. You were hurt the team told you not to go and to heal up and you went anyway and got hurt worse. I don't care how you or the team try and spin this, it was a bad decision and is just the excuse that mr low ball holt needs to hold over your head when contract negotiations start up which should be any time now. Karma is a stone cold witch we'll see which way this plays out but at a minimum this is going to cost manu big. Heal up get well and chalk it up to one of life's little lessons that will end up costing you a few mill minimum lol.

[ducks]

Manu will probably get a 2-year, $18-20M deal.

not with the spurs

[HarlemHeat37]

his contract is going to be valuable this off-season, so I'm expecting the front office to look at some deals for him..it could help our team in a big way, even though it would be difficult to see him playing somewhere else..

[spurs1990]

If Manu doesn't receive anything more than Rashard Lewis's last contract, the NBA is a joke, and the Spurs should be retracted.

[Harry Callahan]

The Frenchie can trash MG all he/she/it wants, but this core has several championships in the back pocket in large measure because of Manu/Tim/Tony.

Ripping MGs injury situation right now on this day is the act of a jerk. Sorry. It just is.

[Alex Trebek]

That said, if he can come back and have a strong playoff run, a two-year extension makes sense this summer. The Spurs could potentially lock him into a lower than open market rate and Ginobili would have the added security in case his injuries become chronic.

No, sorry.

[ElNono]

What's with the trolls not having the balls to post the hate with their real nicks? Goes to show what a bunch of pussies they are.