lmao, what a joke Obama is.

[LockBeard]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Barack-Obama-Thanks-Himself-In-Teleprompt-Blunder-During-Address-With-Irish-PM-On-St-Patricks-Day/Article/200903315243932?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_A rticle_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15243932_Barack_Obama_Thanks_Himself_I n_Teleprompt_Blunder_During_Address_With_Irish_PM_ On_St_Patricks_Day

Our teleprompter president is such a good speaker slurp slurp slurp

[InRareForm]

hater.

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Barack-Obama-Thanks-Himself-In-Teleprompt-Blunder-During-Address-With-Irish-PM-On-St-Patricks-Day/Article/200903315243932?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_A rticle_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15243932_Barack_Obama_Thanks_Himself_I n_Teleprompt_Blunder_During_Address_With_Irish_PM_ On_St_Patricks_Day

Our teleprompter president is such a good speaker slurp slurp slurp

If only we could have George 'Nuklar' Bush back. Obama is so embarassing when compared to the most inarticulate president ever.

[ChumpDumper]

Bush was still worse and the Republicans still lost horribly last November.

[DarrinS]

Somebody is already working on the solution.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Vu2b418P1hM/SZ334s9RY3I/AAAAAAAACY4/NRmjmJTU62g/s400/Obama%20teleprompter%20helmet.jpg

[DarrinS]

Can't they just give him some glasses with the teleprompter in the lenses? I guess he would look cross-eyed.

[Bartleby]

Somebody is already working on the solution.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_Vu2b418P1hM/SZ334s9RY3I/AAAAAAAACY4/NRmjmJTU62g/s400/Obama%20teleprompter%20helmet.jpg

But the approach they used for Bush was so much more elegant:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii297/babbalanja/story.jpg

[DarrinS]

But the approach they used for Bush was so much more elegant:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii297/babbalanja/story.jpg


:rolleyes

[Bartleby]

:rolleyes

Perhaps, but which image is more believable?

[clambake]

i've been watching obama speak to the media without a teleprompter for 20 minutes.

it's nice having an intelligent pres. for a change.

[RandomGuy]

i've been watching obama speak to the media without a teleprompter for 20 minutes.

it's nice having an intelligent pres. for a change.

but, but, but, the ability over the course of four years to speak intelligently and meaningfully demonstrating that he can absorb complex information from the people he is being briefed by is worth so much less than one problematic speech by an exhausted candidate in the middle of a two year election cycle.

Come on man. Get with the kool-aid, and parrot the given narrative. I mean if Hannity repeats it endlessly, it must be true.

Meh. If those who think themselves as republicans/conservatives/whatthefuckever want to make themselves feel better by harping on one isolated incident and ignoring everything else, let them.

They do a great job of looking like pouty children, and harm their cause in the long run.

[RandomGuy]

:rolleyes

Did you criticize Bush over this?

There is a huge difference between not memorizing a speech and needing coaching on issues in a debate.

[Spurminator]

This is really fucking stupid.

[DarrinS]

Did you criticize Bush over this?

There is a huge difference between not memorizing a speech and needing coaching on issues in a debate.


Meh, Bush pretty much sounded like a moron all of the time -- with teleprompter or without. I just thought the teleprompter helmet was a funny image.

[jack sommerset]

Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush, Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush

Its very funny. Anything Obama does wrong, which is alot, you queers say Bush! Fuck they are talking about OBAMA and his teleprompter. But you fags bring up Bush. Newsflash:Campaign is over.

[Bartleby]

Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush, Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush


you queers say Bush!

[clambake]

you lost. get over it.

[clambake]

:lmao

[clambake]

nice one bart

[jack sommerset]

you lost. get over it.

There is another stupid line from die hard democrats. I don't have a party but damn I sure am thinking of joining one if I keep hearing a-holes talk like they a 12.

"Its my toy, you can't play with it'

[Winehole23]

I see the teleprompter as evidence of Obama being a control freak, not a dunce. He spoke extempore ably enough during the campaign, but the election changed Mr. Obama's situation. Everyone ought to be able to understand that it's neither wise nor prudent for POTUS to wing it. The teleprompter is no big deal IMO. It goes with having a focused message. Suggesting Obama is duncelike on this account is duncelike.

[clambake]

I keep hearing a-holes talk like they a 12.


"Its my toy, you can't play with it'

[Crookshanks]

you lost. get over it.

I don't get this - so, our guy lost. Are we supposed to just go away for the next 4 years? Yeah, our guy lost - so we're having loads of fun pointing out all of Obama's shortcomings and lies and gaffs - just like you libs did for the last 8 years with Bush!

But just because McCain lost doesn't give Obama a get out of jail free card for the next 4 years. As Hillary so shrilly proclaimed - it's our patriotic DUTY to question and debate this administration! :downspin:

[clambake]

why does he need a get out of jail free card? did you say that cuz he's black?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

why does he need a get out of jail free card? did you say that cuz he's black?
al sharpton. is that you?

[clambake]

no. i'm jesse.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I don't get this - so, our guy lost. Are we supposed to just go away for the next 4 years? Yeah, our guy lost - so we're having loads of fun pointing out all of Obama's shortcomings and lies and gaffs - just like you libs did for the last 8 years with Bush!

But just because McCain lost doesn't give Obama a get out of jail free card for the next 4 years. As Hillary so shrilly proclaimed - it's our patriotic DUTY to question and debate this administration! :downspin:

Let's hope he doesn't start an uncessary war..!

[ChumpDumper]

Let's hope he doesn't start an uncessary war..!No shit. That trumps any comparison right there.

[koriwhat]

i fuckin hate republicans... better yet the dipshits of this nation who hold that title like it's something to be proud of.

1st georgie is relevant to any and all discussions when you bitches are trying to knock on our new pres. why? because for 8 long fuckin' yrs you bitches acted in accordance with everything mr bush did without question and even if you questioned him you still acted in accordance by voting him into office twice. dumbfucks!

i'd rather our president read a teleprompter to get his message across as clear as he can without mistakes then start wars to profit his pockets and those of all the other currupt pos republicans out there.

[LnGrrrR]

I love how Republicans, who were quick to use the 'unpatriotic' term at any sign of disagreement, are absolutely horrified that Dems suggest that they wait a few months before making claims about how terrible our President is.

THE HORROR! THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FREEDOM OF SPEECH! IT'S MY RIGHT TO QUESTION OBAMA!!

[RandomGuy]

I don't get this - so, our guy lost. Are we supposed to just go away for the next 4 years? Yeah, our guy lost - so we're having loads of fun pointing out all of Obama's shortcomings and lies and gaffs - just like you libs did for the last 8 years with Bush!

But just because McCain lost doesn't give Obama a get out of jail free card for the next 4 years. As Hillary so shrilly proclaimed - it's our patriotic DUTY to question and debate this administration! :downspin:

No, you should point out the failings of the administration.

That is your job as the loyal opposition.

You're darn tootin' I pointed out Bush's fuck-ups, and I will own up to Obama's because he is my guy.

What I won't do that so many conservatives did during the Bush years:

Mindlessly defend him, just because I voted for him.

If he messes up, he messes up, and I'm not going to lie, cheat, or spin it just because I like him.

I fully expect him to do, as he has done already, some things I don't 100% approve of.

There is a vast gulf between being a grown up about it, though, and being pouty children.

Where that line is, is up to the eye of the beholder, but remember the moderates don't drink the right-wing talk radio cool-aid that seems to be required to be a "conservative" in this day and age.

[Winehole23]

No shit. That trumps any comparison right there.Are you sure? Dollar magnitude appears to favor TARP, etc.. Bailout lapped the war in cost a couple of months back, I think.

[Winehole23]

Not reckoning the hit to our international prestige and credibility at all beside the deaths, right?

[ChumpDumper]

Are you sure? Dollar magnitude appears to favor TARP, etc.. Bailout lapped the war in cost a couple of months back, I think.Let me know when the Obama death count passes that of Bush.

[Winehole23]

Let me know when the Obama death count passes that of Bush.Waving the bloody shirt.

The blood is real, but it needn't be held up for worship. Making an idol of patriotic gore is very tacky IMO, but do whatever you do CD. :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Worship?

I'm just running the numbers.

Deaths caused by unnecessary wars started by Obama: 0.

[koriwhat]

i can't stand replublicans... uptight fuckers! these people bitch bitch bitch about everything. they listen to rush who is a fat fuck that likes to choke down pills and god knows what else, they love their pedophiles in office, they love their meaningless wars and will actually try and justify them, they back unpatriotic bills like the patriot act, they talk a good talk but never own up to shit, they harp on the new administration but forget about what just went out the door as if it has no merit to the conversation at hand, they are all two face bitches who keep running this nation into the ground over and over again.

then again i fuckin' hate politics to begin with and i think every politician, even obama, is nothing more then a power hungry pos. yep. but... i'd rather back obama then any republican cock sucker.

[DarrinS]

I love how Republicans, who were quick to use the 'unpatriotic' term at any sign of disagreement, are absolutely horrified that Dems suggest that they wait a few months before making claims about how terrible our President is.

THE HORROR! THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY FREEDOM OF SPEECH! IT'S MY RIGHT TO QUESTION OBAMA!!



I can only speak for myself, but I think a big difference is that I am critical of Obama POLICY -- not the man himself. On the contrary, Bush has been labeled a war criminal, Nazi, etc. by liberals. There are still dipshits on this board that think 9/11 was a conspiracy carried out by "mastermind" Bush. Then there's the whole "Bush lied about WMD", got us into an unnecessary war, etc. As it pertains to the whole WMD issue, I still don't understand what Operation Desert Fox (http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/desert_fox/) was all about.

[DarrinS]

i can't stand replublicans... uptight fuckers! these people bitch bitch bitch about everything. they listen to rush who is a fat fuck that likes to choke down pills and god knows what else, they love their pedophiles in office, they love their meaningless wars and will actually try and justify them, they back unpatriotic bills like the patriot act, they talk a good talk but never own up to shit, they harp on the new administration but forget about what just went out the door as if it has no merit to the conversation at hand, they are all two face bitches who keep running this nation into the ground over and over again.

then again i fuckin' hate politics to begin with and i think every politician, even obama, is nothing more then a power hungry pos. yep. but... i'd rather back obama then any republican cock sucker.



You sound like a smart person.

[Yonivore]

I love how Republicans, who were quick to use the 'unpatriotic' term at any sign of disagreement,
Actually, what I remember how quick Democrats were to claimi Republicans were calling them unpatriotic for their dissent.


...are absolutely horrified that Dems suggest that they wait a few months before making claims about how terrible our President is.
Horrified? Amused maybe but, horrified? :lmao

President Teleprompter is a joke. Hell, he's even making Joe Biden look smart.

[Yonivore]

Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush, Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush

Its very funny. Anything Obama does wrong, which is alot, you queers say Bush! Fuck they are talking about OBAMA and his teleprompter. But you fags bring up Bush. Newsflash:Campaign is over.
Even more ironic is how President Bush, in keeping with his modesty, is refusing to criticize this administration even as it continues to trash him, left and right.

[Crookshanks]

Don't stereotype conservatives. Many, many true conservatives disagreed with Bush on a number of issues - and they were vocal about it.

For example, I completely disagreed with Bush's stand on illegal immigration, the prescription drug plan and his spend, spend, spend ways. Also, I'm not too happy with his culpability in starting this whole bail-out mania.

[gtownspur]

So let me get this straight, Bush started an immoral act ( the war), and Obama continues it only changing the name of the combat units.

If obama is to be un measurable against bush, then he should have not continued this unnecessary war, otherwise its like one having sloppy seconds after an act of rape and claiming to have the moral high ground.

For your info, Obama just shifted troops back and forth and changed names here and there, we're still in Iraq no matter what.

Nuance.

[jack sommerset]

So let me get this straight, Bush started an immoral act ( the war), and Obama continues it only changing the name of the combat units.

If obama is to be un measurable against bush, then he should have not continued this unnecessary war, otherwise its like one having sloppy seconds after an act of rape and claiming to have the moral high ground.

For your info, Obama just shifted troops back and forth and changed names here and there, we're still in Iraq no matter what.

Nuance.

Obama is a dirty filthy politician.

[Yonivore]

Obama is a dirty filthy politician.
dirtier, filthier, and politicianier than most.

[clambake]

you guys can come up with better. you'll have 8 years to work on it.

[Yonivore]

you guys can come up with better. you'll have 8 years to work on it.
If this keeps up, A Republican Congress in 2 and a Republican President in 3 years, 10 months, and 4 days.

[clambake]

americans will forget that soon?

[ChumpDumper]

So let me get this straight, Bush started an immoral act ( the war), and Obama continues it only changing the name of the combat units.

If obama is to be un measurable against bush, then he should have not continued this unnecessary war, otherwise its like one having sloppy seconds after an act of rape and claiming to have the moral high ground.

For your info, Obama just shifted troops back and forth and changed names here and there, we're still in Iraq no matter what.

Nuance.So you thought all the troops and equipment could be taken out overnight.

[Yonivore]

americans will forget that soon?
You've got a president that has committed, in just the past week, four (count 'em, FOUR) serious foreign relations blunders. He can't wean himself from the teleprompter and that led to an embarrassing moment, last night, when he tried to swap speeches with the Irish guy. His Secretary of State is a buffoon.

And, that's just foreign policy mistakes this month.

He wants to make veterans pay for their own war-inflicted injuries.

He talks down the economy without, apparently, realizing the President of the United States is in charge of building public confidence in our economy -- and then, when Warren Buffett and Jack Welch take him out behind the woodshed, he comes out and starts singing praises to the American economy -- basically refuting every bit of rhetoric he ever spewed on the campaign trail -- in fact, he sounded alot like his opponent.

He can't seem to get anyone to work in the administration that hasn't been a tax cheat or criminal. His Howdy Doody Treasury Secretary is melting down and probably looking for the door himself.

Then, in the middle of all this, he decides sweeping -- and socialist -- reforms of the education, healthcare, and energy are going to save the economy. Huh? That even had Democrat economists scratching their heads.

And, now you've got the growing realization this is all just politics...Democrat politics at that.

Yeah, I think Republicans can only benefit by this type of incompetence.

[ChumpDumper]

You've got a president that has committed, in just the past week, four (count 'em, FOUR) serious foreign relations blunders.Nothing serious.
blah, blah, blahOk, we get it -- you hate America.

[clambake]

You've got a president that has committed, in just the past week, four (count 'em, FOUR) serious foreign relations blunders. He can't wean himself from the teleprompter and that led to an embarrassing moment, last night, when he tried to swap speeches with the Irish guy. His Secretary of State is a buffoon.

And, that's just foreign policy mistakes this month.

He wants to make veterans pay for their own war-inflicted injuries.

He talks down the economy without, apparently, realizing the President of the United States is in charge of building public confidence in our economy -- and then, when Warren Buffett and Jack Welch take him out behind the woodshed, he comes out and starts singing praises to the American economy -- basically refuting every bit of rhetoric he ever spewed on the campaign trail -- in fact, he sounded alot like his opponent.

He can't seem to get anyone to work in the administration that hasn't been a tax cheat or criminal. His Howdy Doody Treasury Secretary is melting down and probably looking for the door himself.

Then, in the middle of all this, he decides sweeping -- and socialist -- reforms of the education, healthcare, and energy are going to save the economy. Huh? That even had Democrat economists scratching their heads.

And, now you've got the growing realization this is all just politics...Democrat politics at that.

Yeah, I think Republicans can only benefit by this type of incompetence.

you need to cut the dosage of levine and savage.

[Crookshanks]

But hey - Obama's got his NCAA brackets all filled out! BTW - is he bringing the TOTUS (teleprompter of the United States) with him on Leno, or is he going to use cue cards?

[gtownspur]

So you thought all the troops and equipment could be taken out overnight.
Now that you asked, we could easily withdraw 90% in two-6 months and just have personell there to ship the equipment back. If this truely is an unjust war, then i don't see the reason to have "special troops" still there and take our sweet time. I mean when we pulled out of nam, we pulled the F out!

[ChumpDumper]

Now that you asked, we could easily withdraw 90% in two-6 months and just have personell there to ship the equipment back.Do you have a link to back that up?

[clambake]

you want war with bush, but not with obama?

[gtownspur]

Do you have a link to back that up?

yeah.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3208390&postcount=54

[gtownspur]

backing my personal estimation with my own personal estimation. yep.

[ChumpDumper]

yeah.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3208390&postcount=54So you just made it up.

Yep.

[Yonivore]

you need to cut the dosage of levine and savage.
What are those?

[gtownspur]

So you just made it up.

Yep.


Because you asked me to, by asking what i thought about pulling out.

sure did.

[ChumpDumper]

Because you asked me to, by asking what i thought about pulling out.

sure did.And you just made shit up.

Sure did.

[gtownspur]

And you just made shit up.

Sure did.

:lmao, i guess you want a pie chart to back my oppinion?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao, i guess you want a pie chart to back my oppinion?No, just the estimate of someone who wouldn't just be making shit up like you did. :lmao

[gtownspur]

No, just the estimate of someone who wouldn't just be making shit up like you did. :lmao

well then don't ask for my oppinion, i never said it was fact or exact, nor do i pretend to be a general.

but if you must.

here's one.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/09/how_to_withdraw_quickly_and_safely/

[gtownspur]

you want war with bush, but not with obama?

no, i want peace with bush and peace with obama, i don't war against presidents. Nothing personal here. Just posting the thoughts i'm supposed to post.

[ChumpDumper]

well then don't ask for my oppinion, i never said it was fact or exact, nor do i pretend to be a general.

but if you must.

here's one.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/09/09/how_to_withdraw_quickly_and_safely/So you believe there is an overriding need to bug out and leave all the equipment behind?

Ok.

[Wild Cobra]

If only we could have George 'Nuklar' Bush back. Obama is so embarassing when compared to the most inarticulate president ever.
My God, are you always such a fucking retard?

This is at least the third time I brought this up, and posted the online dictionary to prove it in the past.

THERE ARE TWO ACCEPTED WAYS TO PRONOUNCE THE WORD!

At least he's not president Teleprompter!

[Wild Cobra]

But the approach they used for Bush was so much more elegant:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii297/babbalanja/story.jpg
Hmm... I wonder what the bullet proof vest looked like that he wore that day?

How about proof that he's wired rather than stupid unsubstantiated allegations that likely have a rational reason.

Why are you libtards still crying about president Bush anyway?


I see the teleprompter as evidence of Obama being a control freak, not a dunce. He spoke extempore ably enough during the campaign, but the election changed Mr. Obama's situation. Everyone ought to be able to understand that it's neither wise nor prudent for POTUS to wing it. The teleprompter is no big deal IMO. It goes with having a focused message. Suggesting Obama is duncelike on this account is duncelike.

The reason the teleprompter is a big deal is because he is more of a dufus than president Bush without one!

[Wild Cobra]

i can't stand replublicans... uptight fuckers! these people bitch bitch bitch about everything....
Well, I'm not a republican, but I am a conservative libertarian. I see most the bitching from the right to be justified. The left was always bitching. I guess you hate them too?


I can only speak for myself, but I think a big difference is that I am critical of Obama POLICY -- not the man himself. On the contrary, Bush has been labeled a war criminal, Nazi, etc. by liberals. There are still dipshits on this board that think 9/11 was a conspiracy carried out by "mastermind" Bush. Then there's the whole "Bush lied about WMD", got us into an unnecessary war, etc. As it pertains to the whole WMD issue, I still don't understand what Operation Desert Fox (http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/desert_fox/) was all about.
I agree. I disagree with many of the things president Bush did, but I don't hate Obama as a person, or say anything bad about him just to bitch. I just hate his policies.

Desert Fox...

Wasn't that when president Clinton depleted our supply of cruise missiles by using them on Iraq?

[Wild Cobra]

Don't stereotype conservatives. Many, many true conservatives disagreed with Bush on a number of issues - and they were vocal about it.

For example, I completely disagreed with Bush's stand on illegal immigration, the prescription drug plan and his spend, spend, spend ways. Also, I'm not too happy with his culpability in starting this whole bail-out mania.

Tue, very true.

Libtards hate president Bush so much, they cannot acknowledge how well he advanced their agenda.

[Wild Cobra]

If this keeps up, A Republican Congress in 2 and a Republican President in 3 years, 10 months, and 4 days.
That's almost garenteed now.

Obama's first budget deficit will come in at $1.7 trillion, after anly 50 days of decisions in office. How many more days does he have to add to the first fiscal budget under his control? At the rate he's going, it would easily exceed $10 trillion. I'm sure they will slow down somewhat on the spending though. Public back lash is already pretty high. I fully expect president Obama's first budget to come in between $2 trillion and $3 trillion for a deficit.

[gtownspur]

So you believe there is an overriding need to bug out and leave all the equipment behind?

Ok.

Neither i nor the article stated that.

M'kay.

[desflood]

YoKAcVL_phI

[ChumpDumper]

Neither i nor the article stated that.

M'kay.So you don't think we should leave in a year.

M'kay.

[ChumpDumper]

Tue, very true.

Libtards hate president Bush so much, they cannot acknowledge how well he advanced their agenda.Bush gets all the credit for the Democratic landslide victory in 2008.

[LnGrrrR]

I can only speak for myself, but I think a big difference is that I am critical of Obama POLICY -- not the man himself. On the contrary, Bush has been labeled a war criminal, Nazi, etc. by liberals. There are still dipshits on this board that think 9/11 was a conspiracy carried out by "mastermind" Bush. Then there's the whole "Bush lied about WMD", got us into an unnecessary war, etc. As it pertains to the whole WMD issue, I still don't understand what Operation Desert Fox (http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/desert_fox/) was all about.

Isn't calling Bush a "war criminal" an indictment of his policies? If you were to call Obama a "tax and spend politician", isn't that an indictment of his policies?

And yes, some people do just bash Bush as well. I prefer bashing policy.

[RandomGuy]

My God, are you always such a fucking retard?

This is at least the third time I brought this up, and posted the online dictionary to prove it in the past.

THERE ARE TWO ACCEPTED WAYS TO PRONOUNCE THE WORD!

At least he's not president Teleprompter!

Pronunciation note:
In pronouncing nuclear, the second and third syllables are most commonly said as  /-kliər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [-klee-er] Show IPA , a sequence of sounds that directly reflects the spelled sequence ‑cle⋅ar. In recent years, a somewhat controversial pronunciation has come to public attention, with these two final syllables said as  /-kyələr/[-kyuh-ler]. Since  /-kliər/[-klee-er], the common pronunciation of ‑cle⋅ar, might also be represented, broadly, as  /-kləyər/[-kluh-yer], the  /-kyələr/[-kyuh-ler] pronunciation can be seen as coming from a process of metathesis, in which the /l/[l] and the /y/[y] change places. The resulting pronunciation is reinforced by analogy with such words as molecular, particular, and muscular, and although it occurs with some frequency among highly educated speakers, including scientists, professors, and government officials, it is disapproved of by many.
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me⋅tath⋅e⋅sis   /məˈtæθəsɪs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [muh-tath-uh-sis] Show IPA
–noun, plural -ses  /-ˌsiz/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [-seez] Show IPA . 1. the transposition of letters, syllables, or sounds in a word, as in the pronunciation  /ˈkʌmftərbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhmf-ter-buhl] Show IPA for comfortable or (aks) for ask.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metathesis

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Fascinating. I learned a new word today. Metathesis.

Formally acceptable in a purely acedemic way? Perhaps.

Does it make you look like a goober? Yes.

[RandomGuy]

Tue, very true.

Libtards hate president Bush so much, they cannot acknowledge how well he advanced their agenda.

If you mean:
Liberals are ignorant of how Bush's failures gave them political advantage.

I dare you to find ONE liberal who cannot so acknowledge.

Just ONE.

I triple-dog fucking dare your dumb ass to back that statement up with ANY statement by ANY liberal that can even remotely support that.

If you mean:
Bush advanced some policies that were more liberal than conservative, and liberals don't acknowledge/know that.

I would ask:
Some of his policies were indeed not 100% dyed in the wool conservative, and where somewhat centrist. If you really want to claim that somehow Bush was a closet liberal and really truly advanced traditional liberalism, what policies, pray tell, are you talking about?

[LnGrrrR]

So let me get this straight, Bush started an immoral act ( the war), and Obama continues it only changing the name of the combat units.

If obama is to be un measurable against bush, then he should have not continued this unnecessary war, otherwise its like one having sloppy seconds after an act of rape and claiming to have the moral high ground.

For your info, Obama just shifted troops back and forth and changed names here and there, we're still in Iraq no matter what.

Nuance.

Nuance would require stating how Obama advocates troops in one area (Afghanistan) and would rather have troops out of another area (Iraq.)

[LnGrrrR]

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Fascinating. I learned a new word today. Metathesis.

Formally acceptable in a purely acedemic way? Perhaps.

Does it make you look like a goober? Yes.

It's just a fancy way to say some people mispronounce certain kinds of words wrong. :D

[Ignignokt]

So you don't think we should leave in a year.

M'kay.

I wouldn't. I'm just saying if Obama truly believes Iraq is unjust, he could move out of there faster and more concrete than he's doing right now.

Obama's withdrawal is contigent on events, so his withdrawal is not really grounded on his prinicipal.

[RandomGuy]

I wouldn't. I'm just saying if Obama truly believes Iraq is unjust, he could move out of there faster and more concrete than he's doing right now.

Obama's withdrawal is contigent on events, so his withdrawal is not really grounded on his prinicipal.

Logical FAIL.

I firmly believe in the principle that I need to drive home from work today.

According to the logic in the above post, if I truly believed that I should drive there at top speed, no matter how reckless that turns out to be, because if I did anything less than top speed, I wouldn't have believed in my starting principle in the first place.

[Yonivore]

i've been watching obama speak to the media without a teleprompter for 20 minutes.

it's nice having an intelligent pres. for a change.
By the way, clambake, I wanted to find this post because, I saw a clip of the press conference you allude to [you posted at 11:47 and I was watching a news report on his speaking to the press at around noon) and, sorry to disappoint, but if you noticed, Obama's head was constantly shifting from 45 degrees to the left of the podium to 45 degrees to the right of the podium and he never looked straight ahead more than momentarily.

Dead give away of him having a teleprompter.

What's even more laughable is that when you have to have a teleprompter for supposedly "extemporaneous" speaking moments, that means there's some poor staffer back at a computer somewhere, pushing buttons to bring up the correct responses.

[clambake]

By the way, clambake, I wanted to find this post because, I saw a clip of the press conference you allude to [you posted at 11:47 and I was watching a news report on his speaking to the press at around noon) and, sorry to disappoint, but if you noticed, Obama's head was constantly shifting from 45 degrees to the left of the podium to 45 degrees to the right of the podium and he never looked straight ahead more than momentarily.

Dead give away of him having a teleprompter.

What's even more laughable is that when you have to have a teleprompter for supposedly "extemporaneous" speaking moments, that means there's some poor staffer back at a computer somewhere, pushing buttons to bring up the correct responses.

prove it.

[Yonivore]

prove it.
Sorry, I wasn't there. You prove he wasn't using a teleprompter.

[JoeChalupa]

WTF does it matter about a damn teleprompter. Such damn whiners.

[clambake]

Sorry, I wasn't there. You prove he wasn't using a teleprompter.

how do you prove something thats never been established?

[Yonivore]

how do you prove something thats never been established?
That's your problem. Not mine. But, we do know he's relied on the teleprompter for other, rather mundane, announcements such as appointment introduction and ceremonial blurbs. And, he's being criticized from all quarters on his dependence on the teleprompter. Hell, his camp even made a big deal about trying to wean him from the device on a trip to Hawaii.

Is it so hard to believe he was using a teleprompter? I saw a news clip of the speech you were watching at noon that day and his head moved in the manner indicative of a person reading from a teleprompter. Given his reliance on the device, I say it's more likely than not he was.

I understand, this is now more about you being wrong than it is about whether or not he was actually using one. So, go for it.

Let's see if we can find footage of the speech and decide for ourselves...

[clambake]

i have a friend thats on villaraigosa's staff. i'll ask her this weekend.

fair enough?

[Yonivore]

i have a friend thats on villaraigosa's staff. i'll ask her this weekend.

fair enough?
I don't know if that's fair or not, who can vouch for yours or your friends honesty? I don't know either of you. But, if you want to go to the trouble and rely on my just blindly trusting you, sure...go ahead.

[clambake]

i wouldn't care if it's yes or no.

i'm a man of my word.

[Yonivore]

i wouldn't care if it's yes or no.

i'm a man of my word.
If you say so.

[clambake]

it sounds like you're ready to prejudge just one of the answers.

[Yonivore]

it sounds like you're ready to prejudge just one of the answers.
Well, you are asking a lot. But, hey, maybe you'll convince me. Although, Villaraigosa isn't an pillar of integrity, himself which -- of course -- transfers to staff.

But, try me.

All I know, is I watched the footage and he was metronomically bobbing back and forth from 45 degrees to the left to 45 degrees to the right, rarely and only momentarily stopping to look in any other direction. It only caught my attention because of your post...and your certainty you were watching him -- at that moment -- speaking without a teleprompter. And how nice it was to have an intelligent president for a change.

This particular incident notwithstanding, and I still believe he was using one...his well established reliance on a teleprompter, and his gaffes without one, should be an indicator if his inability to communicate effectively.

It certainly doesn't make him intelligent.

[Ignignokt]

Logical FAIL.

I firmly believe in the principle that I need to drive home from work today.

According to the logic in the above post, if I truly believed that I should drive there at top speed, no matter how reckless that turns out to be, because if I did anything less than top speed, I wouldn't have believed in my starting principle in the first place.

WHy is it fail?

Do you work for an unjust job?

And are you comparing jobs to war which is more complicated....:lol

ok.

[clambake]

Well, you are asking a lot. But, hey, maybe you'll convince me. Although, Villaraigosa isn't an pillar of integrity, himself which -- of course -- transfers to staff.
coming from you, this is :lol


All I know, is I watched the footage and he was metronomically bobbing back and forth from 45 degrees to the left to 45 degrees to the right, rarely and only momentarily stopping to look in any other direction. It only caught my attention because of your post
my post never included anything about teleprompters. this is your baggage, remember?

...and your certainty you were watching him -- at that moment -- speaking without a teleprompter. And how nice it was to have an intelligent president for a change.
you just said this, twice, in the same paragragh.


This particular incident notwithstanding, and I still believe he was using one...his well established reliance on a teleprompter, and his gaffes without one, should be an indicator if his inability to communicate effectively.
yeah, thats what the voters thought, too.


It certainly doesn't make him intelligent.
yeah, who knows, maybe he's using other peoples written thoughts and acting like they're his own.

you know what i mean?

[Yonivore]

coming from you, this is :lol


my post never included anything about teleprompters. this is your baggage, remember?
Your post was made in the context of criticism about his reliance on a teleprompter.


you just said this, twice, in the same paragragh.
You apparently need the reinforcement.



yeah, thats what the voters thought, too.
He's very good at what he does, I'll give him that.



yeah, who knows, maybe he's using other peoples written thoughts and acting like they're his own.
Maybe


you know what i mean?
I'm not the President, I'm not running for president nor is my participation on this board a part of any public trust. I'm honored you'd make comparison between my plagiarism and his [alleged] inability to speak extemporaneously or use his own words.

Thanks!

[clambake]

Your post was made in the context of criticism about his reliance on a teleprompter.
no it wasn't. your paranoia is winning.

You apparently need the reinforcement.
with run-on sentences?

He's very good at what he does, I'll give him that.
i wonder if he can appriciate that.

I'm not the President, I'm not running for president nor is my participation on this board a part of any public trust. I'm honored you'd make comparison between my plagiarism and his [alleged] inability to speak extemporaneously or use his own words.
you said "alleged". that must have stung.[/QUOTE]

[Yonivore]

i've been watching obama speak to the media without a teleprompter for 20 minutes.

it's nice having an intelligent pres. for a change.
You're being disingenuous if, after reading the first 9 posts of this thread then, encountering yours [above] (the 10th post), you don't think it was made as a defense and in the context of others mocking Obama for his reliance on a teleprompter.

And I'm supposed to trust that you'll honestly seek the truth from this Villaraigosa staffer? If, in fact, that's even true...

[clambake]

i get what you're saying.

i'll ask. you can trust the answer.

[ChumpDumper]

And I'm supposed to trust that you'll honestly seek the truth from this Villaraigosa staffer? If, in fact, that's even true...Are we supposed to trust that you would be honest in a forum in which you have repeatedly lied?

[Spurs da champs]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Barack-Obama-Thanks-Himself-In-Teleprompt-Blunder-During-Address-With-Irish-PM-On-St-Patricks-Day/Article/200903315243932?lpos=World_News_First_World_News_A rticle_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15243932_Barack_Obama_Thanks_Himself_I n_Teleprompt_Blunder_During_Address_With_Irish_PM_ On_St_Patricks_Day

Our teleprompter president is such a good speaker slurp slurp slurp

The joke is you, he's barely been in office for nearly 3 months & you're already blaming him for everything. :rolleyes

[Yonivore]

The joke is you, he's barely been in office for nearly 3 months & you're already blaming him for everything. :rolleyes
No, just mismanaging everything.

[Yonivore]

From Blogger "The Belmont Club"


The former foreign minister of Australia notices that he keeps running into the same people. Alexander Downer, in a March 15 article (http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,25191151-5006703,00.html) wrote:


You often hear people saying “it’s a small world”. I was reminded of this last week when reading about Timothy Geithner’s performance as the new U.S. Secretary of the Treasury.

In 1998, Geithner was the Under-Secretary of the Treasury, Larry Summers, who is now President Barack Obama’s head of the National Economic Council, was the Deputy Secretary of the Treasury and I, who now work for the UN, Adelaide University and a consultancy firm, was the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Australia. That year we all met in Washington.

I was worried. Indonesia’s economy was tanking and the country sought help from the International Monetary Fund. The trouble was, the IMF’s medicine was so drastic I feared it would cause total collapse of Indonesia’s economy and cause political and social chaos on our doorstep.
Downer says the same men are now in Washington. He continues:


Today, Geithner’s the economic boss man in Washington and Summer’s once more calling many of the shots. But this time I’m a spectator. If I wasn’t, I’d fly to Washington again and this time tell them they’re endangering not just Indonesia but the U.S. itself. Why? Because the problem with the U.S. economy is that it’s swamped with debt and their response is compounding the problem on the grand scale. They are adding to America’s already huge debts trillions of dollars of additional debt.

The worry is, where are they going to get the money from? The answer: China. For years the American economy has been built on a foundation of debt. It has run massive budget and balance of payments deficits and household consumption has been funded by debt. Believe me, this money has to come from somewhere and it has come from the reserves and savings of China and the oil revenues of the Middle East. The U.S. has depended on China and the oil-rich kingdoms of the Middle East buying U.S. Treasury bonds.
For those who can’t remember the crisis, Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_Financial_Crisis)notes “the IMF created a series of bailouts (”rescue packages”) for the most affected economies to enable affected nations to avoid default, tying the packages to reforms that were intended to make the restored Asian currency, banking, and financial systems as much like those of the United States and Europe as possible. … The role of the International Monetary Fund was so controversial during the crisis that many locals called the financial crisis the ‘IMF crisis’.” One man who was also active in Asia at the time was George Soros. The Wikipedia article noted the conspiracy theories that were rampant at the time because of the sheer speed with which the crisis developed and the unexpected abruptness with which it came to an end.


There was a general rise in anti-Western sentiment, with George Soros and the IMF in particular singled out as targets of criticisms. Heavy U.S. investment in Thailand ended, replaced by mostly European investment, though Japanese investment was sustained. Islamic and other separatist movements intensified in Southeast Asia as central authorities weakened. … The crisis has been intensively analyzed by economists for its breadth, speed, and dynamism; it affected dozens of countries, had a direct impact on the livelihood of millions, happened within the course of a mere few months, and at each stage of the crisis leading economists, in particular the international institutions, seemed a step behind. Perhaps more interesting to economists was the speed with which it ended, leaving most of the developed economies unharmed. These curiosities have prompted an explosion of literature about financial economics and a litany of explanations why the crisis occurred. A number of critiques have been leveled against the conduct of the IMF in the crisis, including one by former World Bank economist Joseph Stiglitz.
Soros, who was at the epicenter of the controversy at that time, is still a policy player in current events. In a recent interview by the Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25211027-5018057,00.html), noted that Soros was having “a very good crisis”. In a transcript (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,25218139-5018057,00.html), Soros explained:


Australian: So do you have a sense that things are coming together for you now?

Soros: It is in a way a culminating point of my life’s work, so to speak.

Australian: Everything is coming together.

Soros: Yeah, the American election, the financial crisis, the theory of reflexivity. So it is actually a very stimulating period.

Australian: Just as well you didn’t retire ten years ago.

Soros: Right, right.

Australian: Will you be having any input with the Obama administration?

Soros: Well, at least I will get a hearing.
Just what some of those changes Sorois had in mind were, are summarized in the main Australian article.


He concedes that many of his proposals – such as loosening Washington’s grip on the International Monetary Fund; co-ordinating macroeconomic policies between national governments; and bringing in new international regulatory regimes for banking and markets to oversee some of the wilder financial instruments and derivative products – will be extremely difficult to sell politically. But he claims there is reason for at least some hope because of the growing awareness of the depth of the crisis. …

“I think the Obama administration is moving towards a good bank/bad bank solution, but it is not the right kind of good bank/bad bank solution. What they propose currently is creating this aggregator bank which will take the toxic assets out of the banking system, out of the banks, so it really injects government money into the bad banks, and I am saying that they ought to be injecting money into the good banks. I think it is difficult to generate the political will (for that) … and this is my main worry right now, that they may get it wrong.

“They (are) in a difficult situation because they have two obstacles. One is that the hole has become too big – you need something like a trillion and a half of new money in addition to the (initial) $US700 billion because the hole has grown.”

The second obstacle to be overcome is that the clumsy way in which the Bush Administration handled the Troubled Asset Relief Program has “poisoned the well”, making it more difficult to get future funding packages through Congress. …”

One of the things that Soros understood perhaps better than anyone else was the synergistic role that information played in making markets jump. “His view of the markets was also shaped by the sociological concept of reflexivity, the awareness that the simple act of observing a subject can affect that subject and distort the observations. Soros applied the idea to the markets, rejecting the notion that prices are the efficient outcome of “perfect” knowledge, instead insisting that they are shaped by the biases and ignorance of market players, and that those biases can be self-fulfilling.”
Soros used his faster OODA loop to teach policy makers a lesson by taking them to the cleaners. To some extent, Soros advances himself as Exhibit A of the kind of behavior that markets cannot protect against.


“Soros says his 1992 attack on the British pound, which forced then Chancellor of the Exchequer Norman Lamont to accelerate Britain’s withdrawal from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, is an example of his constant search for the opportunities created by imperfect markets overshooting and under-shooting in that way.

“The authorities lagged, you see. There is this reflexive cat-and-mouse game going on between markets and the authorities all the time and I am more aware of it than perhaps most others, therefore I acted more decisively.
Thus, if we don’t “fix” the problems Soros has been warning about, the same catastrophe that befell Asia and is now upon the West will happen again and again. That will create a need to re-architecture of the system. Those who are familiar with the hacking game know that two things are often true: that hackers bring the system down, at least partially, to prove their power; but more importantly they hope to bring it down in such a way that when the flaw is fixed, it will make them even more powerful than before. What better way to control the Tipping Point than to get inside the system. Recently, the AP (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hxP5-r56nupaebBl-1HqUlZuWBOwD971CMO80)noted that Richard Holbrooke, another man Alexander Downer might have run into, served on the board of AIG. The world gets smaller every day.


WASHINGTON (AP) — Obama administration special envoy Richard Holbooke was on the American International Group Inc. board of directors in early 2008 when the insurance company locked in the bonuses now stoking national outrage. Holbrooke, a veteran diplomat who is now the administration’s point man on Pakistan and Afghanistan, served on the board between 2001 and mid-2008. During that period, AIG undertook the aggressive investment strategies that led to a near-collapse and forced a multibillion-dollar federal bailout.
In a world dominated by information, a meme is sometimes all it takes. Mark Steyn (http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZmM4NDRiNzEwOGRkNzI2MTQwODdkMDU1Nzc5N2M1YmE=), in a recent article, described just how differently President Obama saw the crisis from other people. To here the President describe it, it was like the downturn could be switched off at the press of a button. Or maybe that it would really last forever, and it in the future it would only seem to be switched off. An exercise in reflexivity. Steyn writes:


The Teleprompter Kid says not to worry: His budget numbers are based on projections that the economy will decline 1.2 percent this year and then grow 4 percent every year thereafter. Do you believe that? In fact, does he believe that? This is the guy who keeps telling us this is the worst economic crisis in 70 years, and it turns out it’s just a 1 percent decline for a couple more months and then party-time resumes? And, come to that, wasn’t there a (notably unprojected) 6.2 percent drop in GDP just in the last quarter of 2008? … I mentioned a few weeks ago the calamitous reality of the U.S. auto industry. General Motors has 96,000 employees but provides health benefits to over a million people. They can never sell enough cars to make that math add up. In fact, selling cars doesn’t help, as they lose money on each model. GM is a welfare project masquerading as economic activity. And, after the Obama transformation, America will be, too. The young need to recognize that this is their fight. They need to stop chanting along with the hopeychangey dirges and do something more effective, like form the anti-AARP: the association of Americans who’ll never be able to retire.
Alexander Downer says the spin doctors can’t cure the problem. Maybe that’s where he’s wrong because everybody knows Eurasia has always been at war with Oceania. The last words of the former foreign minister’s article are: “We have every reason to be afraid, very afraid.” Maybe that’s where he’s right.
Thanks so very much, Obama voters.

[clambake]

ok yoni, she'll be at todays soiree. i'll check back later this evening or sunday.

[Yonivore]

ok yoni, she'll be at todays soiree. i'll check back later this evening or sunday.
You go to "soirees?" :lmao

[clambake]

You go to "soirees?" :lmao

:lol

[George Gervin's Afro]

From Blogger "The Belmont Club"


Thanks so very much, Obama voters.

So conservative bloggers declare Obama to be dangerous... your welcome Yoni and let's hope we can give Obama 2 terms to eliminate the conservative movement all together. The goal is to trivialize your kind yoni...Keep up the good work Obama!

[Yonivore]

So conservative bloggers declare Obama to be dangerous... your welcome Yoni and let's hope we can give Obama 2 terms to eliminate the conservative movement all together. The goal is to trivialize your kind yoni...Keep up the good work Obama!
Actually, I'm not sure of Former Spook's political leanings and, besides,he merely quoted and referenced media reports and the words of George Soros. Your free to draw your own conclusions...

[ChumpDumper]

My conclusion is you are still butthurt over losing so horribly -- after all the only original thought you contributed to this forum was your prediction of a Republican/McCain/Palin victory.

[clambake]

obama made two stops in so cal. she did not attend the first stop and cannot speak for that format.

she was seated behind obama in LA and no teleprompter was used at any time. audience members that were allowed to ask questions were selected through an online lottery.

her enthusiasm was a bit over the top, but trustworthy.

and in true political form, she gave my kid her laminated event pass.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'd be worried if Yoni was ever right about anything.