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Nbadan
03-13-2005, 05:35 AM
Consider this report...


ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans for a combined air and ground attack on targets in Iran if diplomacy fails to halt the Iranian nuclear programme.

The inner cabinet of Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, gave “initial authorisation” for an attack at a private meeting last month on his ranch in the Negev desert.

Israeli forces have used a mock-up of Iran’s Natanz uranium enrichment plant in the desert to practise destroying it. Their tactics include raids by Israel’s elite Shaldag (Kingfisher) commando unit and airstrikes by F-15 jets from 69 Squadron, using bunker-busting bombs to penetrate underground facilities.

The plans have been discussed with American officials who are said to have indicated provisionally that they would not stand in Israel’s way if all international efforts to halt Iranian nuclear projects failed.

Times Online (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1522978,00.html)

The U.S. may be currently, publicly waving a carrot to the Iranians, but the stick isn't too far off, consider...


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The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is on the move in Atlantic Ocean and is possibly headed towards the Mediterranean Sea. The convergence of three carrier groups in the corridor of the Middle East will send very strong message to the Syrians and Iranians. There are indications that soon US is moving two more aircraft carrier battle groups to the Eastern Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf. This will spell a formidable strike force for Iran and Syria who are in defiance on issues of Lebanon and Nuclear weapons development.
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India Daily (http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1877.asp)

So what's the plan? Read this...


Why Would the US Attack Iran?

At first thought, it seems a US attack on Iran would seem foolish, given that the American military is already bogged down in neighboring Iraq. However, there are three important reasons why the Administration might be more than willing take up the immense risks involved.

The first, which is the one most widely discussed, is that Iran is reputedly seeking to develop nuclear weapons. Most Western intelligence agencies estimate that Iran is three to five years away from being able to produce bombs from scratch. However, missile delivery systems are already in place that could loft warheads to cities in Israel, or to American bases throughout the Middle East and Central Asia. America is willing to countenance Pakistan's and Israel's nuclear capability, but these nations work with the US; Iran, in contrast, is independent and is making its own security deals with China, Russia, and Venezuela, and would be considered a threat to Israel. From the Iranian perspective, though, the development of a nuclear deterrent makes perfect sense in view of the recent US invasion of neighboring Iraq.

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The second reason has to do with the challenge that Tehran presents to the US economy. According to recent news articles emanating from Iran, that country is planning to establish a regional oil exchange stock. A December 28 2004 article in the London-based online publication IranMania.com notes that:-
Iran will move a step closer to establishing its much-publicized oil exchange next week, when the Oil Ministry and the Ministry of Economic Affairs and Finance are set to sign a memorandum of understanding (MoU), which will set the ground for the high-profile initiative. Hossein Talebi, the National Iranian Oil Company's director for information technology affairs, told Fars news agency that the project would enter the executive phase immediately after the MoU is signed. The official further said that petrochemicals, crude oil and oil and gas products will be traded at the petroleum exchange. "The oil exchange would strive to make Iran the main hub for oil deals in the region", he said, adding that most deals will be conducted through the Internet ... Iran announced in September its petroleum exchange will become operational by March 2006 ...

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A third reason for the US to invade Iran arises from long-term American geopolitical strategy: Iran is one of the few important oil exporters without a US military presence (others include Russia and Venezuela). Further, Iran is strategically located between Afghanistan and Iraq, bridging the Middle East and Central Asia, and its control is thus essential for US domination of those oil-rich regions

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Because the likely outcomes are unpalatable, and because the ongoing occupation of neighboring Iraq is not going well, American officials would find it nearly impossible to launch an attack on Iran without an adequate immediate pretext. Therefore Iran must be enticed to attack the US, or must be made to appear to do so. The most likely scenario would be for Israel to take the lead in bombing Iranian nuclear facilities. To Tehran, this would signify US involvement, as Israeli planes would likely fly over US-controlled Iraqi air space. Iran would then predictably retaliate against both Israel and the US, perhaps by launching Scud missiles toward Israel and Sunburn cruise missiles against one or more American warships stationed in the Persian Gulf. The loss of an aircraft carrier or battleship with hundreds or thousands of American sailors on board could then summon a sufficient emotional response from the American people so that the full resources of the nation (including an immediate re-institution of the draft) could be mustered behind a three-pronged invasion of Iran from Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Gulf.

Energy Bulletin (http://www.energybulletin.net/4634.html)

Such a scenario, as scary as it may be, would full-fill 2 of my most recent controversial prophecies. An major attack on a U.S. warship using a missile, and the reactive reinstatement of the military draft. I think this is likely to happen around August or late summer, early fall.

Hook Dem
03-13-2005, 12:19 PM
Wow Dan! You should write movie scripts. Forgive me for calling you ignorant. You display much more talent than Michael Moore! :lol

exstatic
03-13-2005, 12:36 PM
No need to invade Iran. Just waste the reactor.

Aggie Hoopsfan
03-13-2005, 02:53 PM
The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is on the move in Atlantic Ocean and is possibly headed towards the Mediterranean Sea. The convergence of three carrier groups in the corridor of the Middle East will send very strong message to the Syrians and Iranians. There are indications that soon US is moving two more aircraft carrier battle groups to the Eastern Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf. This will spell a formidable strike force for Iran and Syria who are in defiance on issues of Lebanon and Nuclear weapons development.

Aircraft carriers have been used for many years as a way of "diplomacy" for many years now, don't get your panties in a bunch Dan.

Nothing says we mean business like one of the greatest engineering marvels of the 20th century showing up in your backyard with a full aircraft wing and battle group in tote.

Nbadan
03-13-2005, 03:15 PM
No need to invade Iran. Just waste the reactor.

Problem is, the Iranians have been planning for this for years. Instead of buying expensive aircraft they shifted policy years ago and decided to spend the money on cost-effective missile development. Today, Iran owns a formitable amount of short and longer-range missiles, and these aren't the technologically advanced Scuds Saddam possessed. These missiles are capable of hitting Israels nuclear facilities, American bases in the Middle East, and even parts Eastern Europe.

Even worse, Iran has made if known that if they are attacked, they would retaliate not only against the countries doing the attacking, but also against countries that allowed those nations to 'fly over' sovereign air space in the attack. The perfect invitation Iran needs to throw the whole M.E. area in tormoil and make the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan much worse for the U.S..

Aggie Hoopsfan
03-13-2005, 03:41 PM
The only country that Israel would fly over if that was the case would be Syria, and they'd probably be saying "go ahead, attack Syria, please."

Israel's got a better version of our Patriot anti-missile defense system deployed for just such a scenario to defend themselves.

How are they going to make things worse in Afghanistan? Drop some bombs out in the desert? That'll show 'em.

exstatic
03-13-2005, 03:48 PM
That's why you waste the reactor BEFORE it has a chance to produce bomb-ready byproducts. See: Israel vs. Iraq.

Nbadan
03-13-2005, 03:52 PM
The only country that Israel would fly over if that was the case would be Syria, and they'd probably be saying "go ahead, attack Syria, please."

No, they would more than likely fly over Iraq.

Jekka
03-13-2005, 03:53 PM
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MannyIsGod
03-13-2005, 03:54 PM
#1 I wouldn't count on the new patriots to do all that much against ballistic missles. They have another theater defense system, but I'm not too sure I'd count on it too mcuh either.

#2 No one is giong to attack Iran, so this is moot.

We've had these conversations before Dan, and you never get your facts straight.

Nbadan
03-13-2005, 03:57 PM
That's why you waste the reactor BEFORE it has a chance to produce bomb-ready byproducts. See: Israel vs. Iraq.

These Russian made nuclear reactors use low-level water and the rods are under IAAE controls. Put simply, it would take decades to extract enough uranium from the water being used and the internation community would know immediately if Iran was building nuclear weapons if they tried using the spent nuclear rods which are supposed to be immediately evacuated to Russia for disposal.

Nbadan
03-13-2005, 03:59 PM
We've had these conversations before Dan, and you never get your facts straight.

What facts are those?

Aggie Hoopsfan
03-13-2005, 04:22 PM
Well if Manny's even provided one fact in these discussions, it's more than you ever have.

exstatic
03-13-2005, 04:34 PM
...and the internation community would know immediately if Iran was building nuclear weapons if they tried using the spent nuclear rods which are supposed to be immediately evacuated to Russia for disposal.

At that point it is just exactly too late.

GoldToe
03-13-2005, 07:50 PM
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