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RandomGuy
03-19-2009, 04:06 PM
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday. "There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

Wilkerson, who first made the assertions in an Internet posting on Tuesday, told the AP he learned from briefings and by communicating with military commanders that the U.S. soon realized many Guantanamo detainees were innocent but nevertheless held them in hopes they could provide information for a "mosaic" of intelligence.

"It did not matter if a detainee were innocent. Indeed, because he lived in Afghanistan and was captured on or near the battle area, he must know something of importance," Wilkerson wrote in the blog. He said intelligence analysts hoped to gather "sufficient information about a village, a region, or a group of individuals, that dots could be connected and terrorists or their plots could be identified."

Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel, said vetting on the battlefield during the early stages of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan was incompetent with no meaningful attempt to discriminate "who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation."

Navy Cmdr. Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman, declined to comment on Wilkerson's specific allegations but noted that the military has consistently said that dealing with foreign fighters from a wide variety of countries in a wartime setting was a complex process. The military has insisted that those held at Guantanamo were enemy combatants and posed a threat to the United States.

In his posting for The Washington Note blog, Wilkerson wrote that "U.S. leadership became aware of this lack of proper vetting very early on and, thus, of the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released."

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney fought efforts to address the situation, Wilkerson said, because "to have admitted this reality would have been a black mark on their leadership."

Wilkerson told the AP in a telephone interview that many detainees "clearly had no connection to al-Qaida and the Taliban and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pakistanis turned many over for $5,000 a head."

Some 800 men have been held at Guantanamo since the prison opened in January 2002, and 240 remain. Wilkerson said two dozen are terrorists, including confessed Sept. 11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was transferred to Guantanamo from CIA custody in September 2006.

"We need to put those people in a high-security prison like the one in Colorado, forget them and throw away the key," Wilkerson said. "We can't try them because we tortured them and didn't keep an evidence trail."

But the rest of the detainees need to be released, he said.

Wilkerson, who flew combat missions as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and left the government in January 2005, said he did not speak out while in government because some of the information was classified. He said he feels compelled to do so now because Cheney has claimed in recent press interviews that President Barack Obama is making the U.S. less safe by reversing Bush administration policies toward terror suspects, including ordering Guantanamo closed.

The administration is now evaluating what to do with the prisoners who remain at the U.S. military base in Cuba.

"I'm very concerned about the kinds of things Cheney is saying to make it seem Obama is a danger to this republic," Wilkerson said. "To have a former vice president fearmongering like this is really, really dangerous."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090319/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_guantanamo_wrongly_held

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What a steaming turd we are left to clean up. :depressed

Winehole23
03-19-2009, 04:14 PM
Oh, have we started cleaning it up yet?

DarrinS
03-19-2009, 04:19 PM
Don't worry RG, they will probably be released soon and may even become one of your neighbors.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123741378746277081.html





WASHINGTON -- Attorney General Eric Holder said some detainees being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, may end up being released in the U.S. as the Obama administration works with foreign allies to resettle some of the prisoners.

Mr. Holder, in a briefing with reporters, said administration officials are still reviewing individual cases of the approximately 250 detainees to determine which will be put on trial and which may be released to comply with plans to close the detention facility by next year.

Six weeks into his tenure, Mr. Holder is still trying to assemble much of the Justice senior leadership, with several nominees awaiting Senate confirmation. He said he has reviewed the department's handling of white-collar criminal cases in response to the financial crisis and is considering ways to increase coordination on financial fraud among federal prosecutors and state officials. He said he is trying to increase the budget dedicated to white-collar crime, while maintaining funding for national security.

European justice ministers met with Mr. Holder earlier this week and pressed for details on how many Guantanamo prisoners the U.S. planned to release domestically, as part of any agreement for allies to accept detainees. Mr. Holder said U.S. officials would work to respond to the questions European officials have over U.S. Guantanamo plans.

For "people who can be released there are a variety of options that we have and among them is the possibility is that we would release them into this country," Mr. Holder said. "That process is ongoing and we've not made any determinations or made any requests of anybody at this point."

Among the detainees whose fate remains undetermined are 17 ethnic Uighurs, from the Central Asian region of China, who have been ordered released by a judge. The U.S. has refused to turn the men over to China, which considers them part of an separatist group.

Mr. Holder is planning to visit Mexico next month to meet with his counterparts and discuss efforts to fight the trafficking of guns from the U.S. into Mexico and the drug trade from Mexico into the U.S.

"The Mexican government has been courageous in the way it has confronted the problems that now challenge it," Mr. Holder said, noting the violence that has resulted from battles against the drug cartels in Mexico.

Winehole23
03-19-2009, 04:26 PM
Don't worry RG, they will probably be released soon and may even become one of your neighbors.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123741378746277081.htmlBring em on. They'll be watched. Every damn move.

Too bad the previous administration did not assemble usable case files (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/24/AR2009012401702.html) for the detainees, to submit to the discretion of criminal courts. That would've been pertinent. Funny it was not required.

PixelPusher
03-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Bring em on. They'll be watched. Every damn move.

Too bad the previous administration did not assemble usable case files (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/24/AR2009012401702.html) for the detainees, to submit to the discretion of criminal courts. That would've been pertinent. Funny it was not required.
If you have secret evidence that can't be challenged in court because, take their word for it, it's a secret - why would they waste time writing up case files?

Winehole23
03-19-2009, 08:30 PM
If you have secret evidence that can't be challenged in court because, take their word for it, it's a secret - why would they waste time writing up case files?Of course that's the way they handled it. I'm morally shocked, but not rationally surprised that no great pretense of building up cases professionally was ever made. Evidence was never examined adversarially, but instead was admitted as dispositive, whatever the source. Subsequently,the evidence used against detainees was apparently not retained in their files, but instead repatriated to its confidential sources. In the enemy combatant hearing, the government got to present secret evidence, and then throw it back into the abyss of secrecy.

Bush was so incompetent he couldn't operate the conviction machine made possible by the MCA of 2006 (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pdf), even with the great legal advantages conferred by our irregular detention of the detainees, and the vast reliance on secret evidence and physical duress. At some point, GWB ran out of credibility and political cover. Then he started losing in court. A lot.

So GWB temporized on the final disposition of the detainees. He punted to Obama.

Again, the motif so far is continuity.

Winehole23
03-19-2009, 10:24 PM
And impunity.