End game for Global War...err..Climate Change draws near

[LockBeard]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510937,00.html

Thanks for helping these guys, assholes.

You had no impact on saving mother earth. You were used to allow select men to gain control over everyone.

Feel proud of yourself?

[ChumpDumper]

You guys really like scaring yourselves.

Are you going to talk about this at the Tea Party?

[DarrinS]

Taxing the shit out of energy is just the cure for our economic crisis.

[RandomGuy]

You guys really like scaring yourselves.

Are you going to talk about this at the Tea Party?

This is pablum for the converted.

It combines a couple things that "conservatives" love to hate, the UN and the Global Warming theory, and allows Fox "news" readers to feel outraged about something completely meaningless. A strawman upon which to pour vitriol.

:sleep

[LockBeard]

What the fuck are you talking about Chump!?

You let Al fucking Gore scare you little idiots into thinking man was about to annihilate the earth, the seas would rise and destroy everything, 200* temps were around the corner, etc.

You have too much pride just like RG to admit you fools got duped.

Scaring ourselves. What a fucking joke. We can clearly see agendas of those who which to grab more power. This is the ridiculous part. All of this shit is right in front of everyone, but guys like RG and Chump (who are relatively intelligent) still refuse to open their eyes.

This is the source of power for those running things. Until you awesome guys can admit to yourselves that your good intentions are being used for elites to gain more control, you will never advance your political beliefs.




As you continue this same line of thinking Chump, "scared" is not the correct word. Man should not be scared of that which he cannot control. My reaction is usually just to laugh for a sec and shake my head in disgust. Global Taxes, Global currency, Global government is just the next evolution for civilization on this planet due to technology. That's keeping it real. Real Americans don't have to like it though.

[RandomGuy]

What the fuck are you talking about Chump!?

You let Al fucking Gore scare you little idiots into thinking man was about to annihilate the earth, the seas would rise and destroy everything, 200* temps were around the corner, etc.

You have too much pride just like RG to admit you fools got duped.

Scaring ourselves. What a fucking joke. We can clearly see agendas of those who which to grab more power. This is the ridiculous part. All of this shit is right in front of everyone, but guys like RG and Chump (who are relatively intelligent) still refuse to open their eyes.

This is the source of power for those running things. Until you awesome guys can admit to yourselves that your good intentions are being used for elites to gain more control, you will never advance your political beliefs.

As you continue this same line of thinking Chump, "scared" is not the correct word. Man should not be scared of that which he cannot control. My reaction is usually just to laugh for a sec and shake my head in disgust. Global Taxes, Global currency, Global government is just the next evolution for civilization on this planet due to technology. That's keeping it real. Real Americans don't have to like it though.

If you were actually halfway accurate in depicting my beliefs I might bother with a longer response.

As it is, this rather ham-handed strawman attack is not really worth responding to at length.

I am for risk-mitigation, and that doesn’t include being “scared” about anything, merely prudently managing known risks. It makes you feel better about your own beliefs if you can think that you are somehow more incisive and can “see through” what is happening. Who am I to burst your bubble?

You are beginning to sound like a 9-11 truther. They think that they are the ones who are “seeing through” the lies of “the elite” too.

They use the same kind of emotional arguments, the same logical fallacies, the same tactics.

Congratulations, we have found your peer group.

[boutons_]

"Taxing the shit out of energy"

Americans, a childish society run by self-serving plutocratic, kleptocratic bastards and living on false wealth, refuse to do anything unless it saves or costs them money.

So taxing energy consumption to reflect its true costs is the only way to get Americans to stop acting like greedy "gimme, it's MINE" 2-year-olds.

The childish Americans would still be free to vote the energy-taxing legislators out of office, and they probably would, and then continue on the path to self-destruction.

[RandomGuy]

. We can clearly see agendas of those who which to grab more power. This is the ridiculous part. All of this shit is right in front of everyone, but guys like RG and Chump (who are relatively intelligent) still refuse to open their eyes.

This is the source of power for those running things. Until you awesome guys can admit to yourselves that your good intentions are being used for elites to gain more control, you will never advance your political beliefs. That's keeping it real. Real Americans don't have to like it though.

Ok, I'll bite.

Who are "the elites", what power are they grabbing, and for what purpose?

Who are "they"?
What is "their" plan?
Where are "they" plotting to do this?
Why are "they" doing it?
How are "they" doing it?

Flesh out this theory of yours, so we can be as illuminated as you are.

[RandomGuy]

"Taxing the shit out of energy"

Americans, a childish society run by self-serving plutocratic, kleptocratic bastards and living on false wealth, refuse to do anything unless it saves or costs them money.

So taxing energy consumption to reflect its true costs is the only way to get Americans to stop acting like greedy "gimme, it's MINE" 2-year-olds.

The childish Americans would still be free to vote the energy-taxing legislators out of office, and they probably would, and then continue on the path to self-destruction.

Rampant materialism is no way to run a country. I agree. Such shallow, amoral thinking is very short-sighted.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Taxing the shit out of energy"

Americans, a childish society run by self-serving plutocratic, kleptocratic bastards and living on false wealth, refuse to do anything unless it saves or costs them money.

So taxing energy consumption to reflect its true costs is the only way to get Americans to stop acting like greedy "gimme, it's MINE" 2-year-olds.

The childish Americans would still be free to vote the energy-taxing legislators out of office, and they probably would, and then continue on the path to self-destruction.

So you're saying that you're endorsing millions of American jobs moving to other countries and our standard of living coming down due to rules put in place by a coalition of nations who hates us for our way of life?

I don't want to hear you bitching when you're making $18K a year flipping burgers at McDonald's if that's the case...

[LockBeard]

Fuck your own standard of living. I will continue working hard to keep mine up and going higher :lmao

These amerikans who have this guilt are so pathetic. They think they are actually doing something good, yet the truth is they are just being played by the government to make it easier for them to control everyone.

How I would have loved to hit my prime when this country still believed in people earning great things for themselves without feeling this fucking ridiculous guilt for reaching success.

[ChumpDumper]

You still didn't explain yourself, Lockbeard.
Ok, I'll bite.

Who are "the elites", what power are they grabbing, and for what purpose?

Who are "they"?
What is "their" plan?
Where are "they" plotting to do this?
Why are "they" doing it?
How are "they" doing it?

Flesh out this theory of yours, so we can be as illuminated as you are.

[George Gervin's Afro]

What the fuck are you talking about Chump!?

You let Al fucking Gore scare you little idiots into thinking man was about to annihilate the earth, the seas would rise and destroy everything, 200* temps were around the corner, etc.

You have too much pride just like RG to admit you fools got duped.

Scaring ourselves. What a fucking joke. We can clearly see agendas of those who which to grab more power. This is the ridiculous part. All of this shit is right in front of everyone, but guys like RG and Chump (who are relatively intelligent) still refuse to open their eyes.

This is the source of power for those running things. Until you awesome guys can admit to yourselves that your good intentions are being used for elites to gain more control, you will never advance your political beliefs.




As you continue this same line of thinking Chump, "scared" is not the correct word. Man should not be scared of that which he cannot control. My reaction is usually just to laugh for a sec and shake my head in disgust. Global Taxes, Global currency, Global government is just the next evolution for civilization on this planet due to technology. That's keeping it real. Real Americans don't have to like it though.

who are the elites? and what they specifically gain from this conspriacy?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Why is it that most conservative arguments are based on vague strawmen and conspiracies?

[baseline bum]

Why is it that most conservative arguments are based on vague strawmen and conspiracies?

Quit talkin like a fag. Conservatives don't need no book learnin arguments.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

this is a serious question. do chump and RG think the POTUS really runs the country?

[ChumpDumper]

This is a serious question: Why are people bitching about him so much then?

[LnGrrrR]

If you were actually halfway accurate in depicting my beliefs I might bother with a longer response.

As it is, this rather ham-handed strawman attack is not really worth responding to at length.

I am for risk-mitigation, and that doesn’t include being “scared” about anything, merely prudently managing known risks. It makes you feel better about your own beliefs if you can think that you are somehow more incisive and can “see through” what is happening. Who am I to burst your bubble?

You are beginning to sound like a 9-11 truther. They think that they are the ones who are “seeing through” the lies of “the elite” too.

They use the same kind of emotional arguments, the same logical fallacies, the same tactics.

Congratulations, we have found your peer group.

As is usually the case, most conservatives can not see outside of their box. Everything has to do with 'fear' with them, whether it's fear of terrorists, fear of brown people, or fear of evil atheists :)

They can't imagine other people choose their political sides based on anything but.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

you didnt answer the question

just messin around but you do say that alot

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

This is a serious question: Why are people bitching about him so much then?

i dont bitch about him, but then again he means nothing to me. nothing more or less than bush, clinton ect ect ect.

[ChumpDumper]

So let us all know who runs the country.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

can i have that in the form of a question

[ChumpDumper]

Are you stalling?

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

dumper, i tend to believe there are global ellitist running everything

i know you would want me to prove it, but i cant

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As is usually the case, most conservatives can not see outside of their box. Everything has to do with 'fear' with them, whether it's fear of terrorists, fear of brown people, or fear of evil atheists :)

They can't imagine other people choose their political sides based on anything but.

I guess it's the liberal way to ignore anything in front of them that they don't want to believe. The UN has put it in writing what they'd like to do and are talking about 3/4 trillion dollar taxes on carbon fuels, capping what a country can produce in a year (meaning jobs will move overseas to 'balance' things out, etc.)....

Are you guys saying you're excited about those ideas?

LOL at croutons, my way of life is in good shape, just trying to look out for the ol' US of A.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

But AHF your america hating is reaching croutons________ levels so far this year.

[ChumpDumper]

dumper, i tend to believe there are global ellitist running everything

i know you would want me to prove it, but i cantI just want you to explain your theory.

You are still stalling.

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

I just want you to explain your theory.

You are still stalling.

with all due respect and i mean ALL due respect, i think youre highly intelligent and know where i stand. i think what you want is for me to dance for you.

[RandomGuy]

this is a serious question. do chump and RG think the POTUS really runs the country?

“Runs” the country? No.

The president has a great deal of influence on governmental policy in the form of directives, and general steering of the agencies given to him by Congress to manage.

The people who “run” the country are a hodge-podge of often competing interests, corporate and public.

Overall, no one really “runs” the country. It is too big, and too complex for any one person, or even a large, powerful group for that matter, to really do more than generally guide in any one direction.

I have seen evidence of some concerted effort on the part of various groups to influence things, and I am under no naive illusions that there are not groups of fairly powerful people who do push things one way or another.

I have however, seen no evidence that could really be said to support the assertion that any one person or group really "runs" things.

[RandomGuy]

I guess it's the liberal way to ignore anything in front of them that they don't want to believe. The UN has put it in writing what they'd like to do and are talking about 3/4 trillion dollar taxes on carbon fuels, capping what a country can produce in a year (meaning jobs will move overseas to 'balance' things out, etc.)....

Are you guys saying you're excited about those ideas?

LOL at croutons, my way of life is in good shape, just trying to look out for the ol' US of A.

If a group of people decide that the science supporting global warming is sufficient to allow for a reasonable prediction of a global disaster, is it that astonishing that they might spend some effort trying to formulate a plan to mitigate or avoid that disaster?

Personally, I have come to firmly believe that the concern regarding the supposed economic costs of this plan is based on literally nothing other than knee-jerk anti-environmentalism.

Critics of global warming science love to advocate the "do nothing" course of action as the cheapest long-term solution, but have never failed to fail when it comes to providing any reasonable support for that.

Simple free market action will cause us to move in the direction of lowering our CO2 output anyways, even if we do nothing. The big problem for the "deniers" is that if we do this before that happens while energy is relatively cheap, we come out with a very strong competitive advantage. I can support that statement, and have in numerous threads here.

As I see it, we can either get out ahead of the curve, or cede a lot of the competitive advantage to those who are doing so, i.e. Europe.

If we "do nothing", it will be the ultimate irony that our inability to anticipate what the free-market will do down the road will cause us, through the same free market, to be at a total competitive disadvantage to the "socialists" in Europe.

We will have locked ourselves into massive investments in fossil fuels for decades, and be attempting to make the adjustment at a time when energy is expensive, while the Europeans, already having made that investment, will out compete us on the world market, because their economies will have already made the adjustment, and who are insultated from the rising costs of fossil fuels.

[101A]

Ok, I'll bite.

Who are "the elites", what power are they grabbing, and for what purpose?

Who are "they"?
What is "their" plan?
Where are "they" plotting to do this?
Why are "they" doing it?
How are "they" doing it?

Flesh out this theory of yours, so we can be as illuminated as you are.


These people know. (http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodindex.shtml)

[ChumpDumper]

with all due respect and i mean ALL due respect, i think youre highly intelligent and know where i stand. i think what you want is for me to dance for you.No, I just wanted you to explain your claim. My belief about who runs the country is roughly the same as RG's. Is yours the same?

[HighLowLobForBig-50]

No, I just wanted you to explain your claim. My belief about who runs the country is roughly the same as RG's. Is yours the same?

roughly, yeah its the same . i just think the ones who push our country one way or the other are the same ones who push all the other countries one way or the other.