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phyzik
03-31-2009, 11:50 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/31/cafferty.legal.drugs/index.html

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Here's something to think about:

How many police officers and sheriff's deputies are involved in investigating and solving crimes involving illegal drugs? And arresting and transporting and interrogating and jailing the suspects?

How many prosecutors and their staffs spend time prosecuting drug cases? How many defense lawyers spend their time defending drug suspects?

How many hours of courtroom time are devoted to drug trials? How many judges, bailiffs, courtroom security officers, stenographers, etc., spend their time on drug trials?

How many prison cells are filled with drug offenders? And how many corrections officers does it take to guard them? How much food do these convicts consume?

And when they get out, how many parole and probation officers does it take to supervise their release? And how many ex-offenders turn right around and do it again?

So how's this war on drugs going?

Someone described insanity as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time. That's a perfect description of the war on drugs.

The United States is the largest illegal drug market in the world. Americans want their weed, crack, cocaine, heroin, whatever. And they're willing to pay big money to get it.

The drug suppliers are only too happy to oblige. The Mexican drug cartels now have operations in 230 American cities. That's 230 American cities!

And we're not just talking about border towns, but places such as Anchorage, Alaska; Boston, Massachusetts; Atlanta, Georgia; and Billings, Montana. They're everywhere. And they don't just bring drugs, but violence and crime as well -- lots of it at no extra charge.

They have been able to infiltrate those 230 cities because we have not bothered to secure our borders. In addition to illegal aliens who come here to work and avail themselves of our social programs, we have criminals from Mexico bringing drugs in, taking money and guns back, and recruiting American kids into their criminal enterprises while they're here. iReport.com: Is it time to legalize pot?

What do you suppose the total price tag is for this failed war on drugs? One senior Harvard economist estimates we spend $44 billion a year fighting the war on drugs. He says if they were legal, governments would realize about $33 billion a year in tax revenue. Net swing of $77 billion. Could we use that money today for something else? You bet your ass we could. Plus the cartels would be out of business. Instantly. Goodbye crime and violence.

If drugs were legalized, we could empty out a lot of our prison cells. People will use this stuff whether it's legal or not. Just like they do booze. And you could make the argument that in some cases alcohol is just as dangerous as some drugs. I know.

Like I said ... something to think about. It's time.


:tu

Blake
03-31-2009, 11:55 AM
yeah, something most of us already realized.

when he says "legalize drugs" I wonder if he means all drugs straight across the board or just marijuana....

DarkReign
03-31-2009, 12:00 PM
yeah, something most of us already realized.

when he says "legalize drugs" I wonder if he means all drugs straight across the board or just marijuana....

I *think* he suggests weed at the bottom.

But really, Im not against legalizing weed and decriminalizing everything else. Such a fucking waste of time and money.

Yeah, its not very sympathetic of me to say so, but I really dont give a flying fuck about drug addicts. Rehab, death, whatever...dont care. Anything but me having to contribute to their arrest, trial and incarceration bills.

RandomGuy
03-31-2009, 12:01 PM
If you legalize all of these drugs, you can spend your money on things that actually work, and avoid giving billsions to the murderous sociopaths that comprise most international drug rings.

Treatment may never completely cure an addict, but you can make them functional to the point where they don't have to stick a gun in someone's face to get high, and that is the source of a LOT of criminality.

Blake
03-31-2009, 12:06 PM
I *think* he suggests weed at the bottom.

But really, Im not against legalizing weed and decriminalizing everything else. Such a fucking waste of time and money.

Yeah, its not very sympathetic of me to say so, but I really dont give a flying fuck about drug addicts. Rehab, death, whatever...dont care. Anything but me having to contribute to their arrest, trial and incarceration bills.

it's not clear to me because he mentions 'crack, cocaine, heroin, whatever'.

I'm not against legalizing everything. Just do like they do with cigarettes and charge $50 for a carton of crack.

Drachen
03-31-2009, 12:16 PM
it's not clear to me because he mentions 'crack, cocaine, heroin, whatever'.

I'm not against legalizing everything. Just do like they do with cigarettes and charge $50 for a carton of crack.



Carton of Crack - ha, this reminds me of when Tyrone Biggins wins fear factor on the Chappelle show.
"This will get us high for . . . ."
"I know, HOURS!"

DarkReign
03-31-2009, 12:21 PM
it's not clear to me because he mentions 'crack, cocaine, heroin, whatever'.

I'm not against legalizing everything. Just do like they do with cigarettes and charge $50 for a carton of crack.

Fair, indeed.

BTW, its $80 for a carton of cigarettes in Michigan starting tomorrow.

baseline bum
03-31-2009, 12:28 PM
The drug war makes the Iraq war look genius in comparison.

Blake
03-31-2009, 12:44 PM
BTW, its $80 for a carton of cigarettes in Michigan starting tomorrow.

wtf.... that's almost how much I pay a month for my cable TV and internet

DarkReign
03-31-2009, 12:57 PM
wtf.... that's almost how much I pay a month for my cable TV and internet

Cigarettes went up from $5-something to $6.50 a pack recently with another increase due April 1st to $8 a pack.

Thus, Im quitting. I want to quit, in a sense, but this increase is just accelerating the timeline,

leemajors
03-31-2009, 01:04 PM
prisons are big business, don't know if this will ever happen. should, but probably won't.

Obstructed_View
03-31-2009, 01:23 PM
Gee, maybe we should, I don't know, secure the border or something.

RandomGuy
03-31-2009, 02:49 PM
Cigarettes went up from $5-something to $6.50 a pack recently with another increase due April 1st to $8 a pack.

Thus, Im quitting. I want to quit, in a sense, but this increase is just accelerating the timeline,

Meh. Just start growing your own tobacco.

Its a freakin' plant, how hard can it be to make it and dry the leaves?

Shit, the problem with taxing the snot out of it, is that it has the same effect as outright criminializing it.

How much money could one make growing a small amount of the plant and selling it, tax-free?

http://boldweb.com/gw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=47&Itemid=25

growing tobacco in the garden:
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/AA260

http://www.growtobacco.net/

http://www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco/seed_culture.htm

RandomGuy
03-31-2009, 02:51 PM
Gee, maybe we should, I don't know, secure the border or something.

Because that has worked so well in the past.

Now tell me how we secure the border with Canada.

Want to build a wall across THAT border too?

On second thought, hell that's a great idea. It would solve our unemployment problem in one fell swoop, if we could just hire enough people to adequately patrol 3000 miles of desolate wilderness.

/sarcasm.

LockBeard
03-31-2009, 04:36 PM
The War on Poverty is an even bigger failure.


I haven't even read this thread, but if RG thinks he is smart tell me whether or not you believe stricter Gun Control in the States will help Mexico's Violence Problem.

RandomGuy
03-31-2009, 04:57 PM
I haven't even read this thread, but if RG thinks he is smart tell me whether or not you believe stricter Gun Control in the States will help Mexico's Violence Problem.
Firstly:
It won't. Guns aren't really at the root of the problem, although limiting the flow of arms at this point is probably shutting the barn door after the horses have left.

Secondly:

Take the right/left BS back to the political forum.

This thread is about legalizing or not legalizing drugs.

Lastly:
Read the motherfucking thread before you motherfucking post. -S. Jackson.

:p:

Obstructed_View
03-31-2009, 07:14 PM
Because that has worked so well in the past.

Now tell me how we secure the border with Canada.

Want to build a wall across THAT border too?

On second thought, hell that's a great idea. It would solve our unemployment problem in one fell swoop, if we could just hire enough people to adequately patrol 3000 miles of desolate wilderness.

/sarcasm.

RIF. The article says specifically that the guns, drugs and money are able to move freely because we haven't secured the border. And last I checked, there aren't a whole lot of coca or poppy fields in Canada. :rolleyes