Duncan on All-Call team

[milkyway21]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3463318

The All-Call team
Sean Deveney /
Posted: 1 day ago

We asked 25 NBA players, coaches, assistants and personnel executives a simple question: Who are the players at each position who tend to get the most calls from the referees? As voted on by those within the league, we present the NBA's All-Call team.

First team

PG Allen Iverson, 76ers. Fearless dashes to the basket, combined with his 165-pound frame, make every hit he takes seem like a flagrant foul.


SG Kobe Bryant, Lakers. Though his image has taken some hits, defenders feel he still gets whistles with the best of them.


SF Tracy McGrady, Rockets. Opponents say McGrady has gotten better at working referees -- initiating contact to force a whistle and conducting gamelong chats with the officials.


PF Tim Duncan, Spurs. One player says officials think Duncan is "a saint" :angel because of his nice-guy image and that gets him to the foul line.


C Shaquille O'Neal, Heat. Most acknowledge that officiating games with O'Neal is almost as tough as defending him because of the amount of contact he absorbs.

SECOND TEAM

PG Stephon Marbury, Knicks. Marbury has a strong build and good balance, which allow him to create contact, get a call and still finish a play.


SG Ray Allen, Sonics. Allen is primarily a jump shooter, but he is crafty off the dribble and able to take advantage of players who try to crowd his jumper.


SF Paul Pierce, Celtics. Another guy who's smooth to the rim when he's driving, Pierce has a knack for flipping his head backward to exaggerate the effects of contact.


PF Kevin Garnett, Timberwolves. Being the MVP has its privileges, and most defenders think that means K.G. gets away with a lot.


C Yao Ming, Rockets. Sometimes, there's no way to handle a 7-6 center other than to foul him.


...you think your favorite player being on the list has special privileges?:rolleyes. hello! Jack Nies.

i think Shaq shld top the list bec. of how he uses his shoulders on "special occasions"(tight games)

[Solid D]

Karl Malone would have made this list the past 15 seasons.

[T Park]

One player says officials think Duncan is "a saint" because of his nice-guy image and that gets him to the foul line.


So being a nice guy, is once again bad.


Hello, David Stern, wake up, stop applauding and gushing over guys like Iverson, and start gushing over Duncan.

Change the goddamn image that "Hes nice, so they THINK hes good"

[xcoriate]

Ummm, I dont think Stern personally reads and approves every article published about the NBA.


Secondly who gives a shit if Tims a nice guy, good for him. He gets calls BFD he deserves em, as does everyone else on the list. It is part of the game.

[milkyway21]

who among them has the most technical fouls? i never heard Shaq get one :rolleyes

[Solid D]

25 players isn't a very large sampling of players.* Sean Deveney (Accidental Writer) is lazy or something.

*Is it 25 players and 25 executives and 25 coaches, etc. or is it just 25 people including players, execs, coaches, etc?

[Dre_7]

What, no Reggie Miller???

[exstatic]

Tell it to Jack Nies. He obviously didn't "get the memo".

[Spurminator]

Not to lend credibility to anything written by Sean Deveney, but I can't say I disagree... Duncan gets a ton of calls in his favor, and sometimes I think it makes him a little passive on offense.

[TheWriter]

Anyone notice the players on the first team list, they're superstars.

Along with the legit fouls, there has and will always be a thing called "superstar calls."

Nothing wrong with it, unless of course your team has no superstar. lol

[milkyway21]

Amare Stoudemire is currently #2 (617),on free throw attempts this season, just 2nd to ShaQ's 648, and he's not on the list. it means the calls were all legit? he's not getting the superstar calls?

And how about Dirk @ #5 w/ 549 FTA?

[TheWriter]

There's a reason Shaq and Amare are 1 and 2.

They're monsters in the paint. Once they're in the paint area, you either let them dunk or you foul them.

Shaq also gets Superstar calls. But most are legit in Shaq's case because he's so big and dominating in the paint. But he also gets away with a lot of fouling himself.

And along with Superstar calls is Superstar no-calls where a Superstar gets away with more. It happens to all superstars because the refs don’t want to foul out a superstar. So they’ll give it to the closet teammate or they won’t call it. Etc.

I remember in 2002, when the Spurs were playing the Sonics during the first round, Gary Payton had been called for a T early in the game, then later he gets called for anther, I remember watched the game and hearing him yell to the ref: “I already have a T!” The ref then took away the second T.

[milkyway21]

.. I remember watched the game and hearing him yell to the ref: “I already have a T!” The ref then took away the second T. :lol and I thought the ref's decision IS final

And how about that recent foul call on Rasho(Pops almost got a technical @ that time), that was supposed to be on TP ? :lol then they changed it. :oops

ps. Rasho sorry but it was a superstar call :lol

[Tek_XX]

This list is crap. What's one think these players have in common, they're some of the best in the league, meaning crappy players can't defend them ala more fouls. Tim Duncan gets his fair share and he deserves them and alot of fouls against him aren't even called.

[TheWriter]

Sure, all players don't get the calls they should. But for Tim, that is very rare.

If there's a game where Tim's first time to the line is in the second qt, then something is up.

But overall, I think the reffing in the NBA is good.

[milkyway21]

Sure, all players don't get the calls they should. But for Tim, that is very rare.

If there's a game where Tim's first time to the line is in the second qt, then something is up.

But overall, I think the reffing in the NBA is good.i agree but, hey about that 3-pt goaltend? :rolleyes

[TheWriter]

Again, if you're out there, in a big ass arena, and you're the one who makes the calls, and there's 10 men on the court and you're at an odd angle or whatever, and the game is being played at 100 frames per millisecond, you'd make a mistake too.

The NBA refs are the best in my opinon in any sport.

[Dex]

On the offensive side of the floor, Tim does manage to draw a lot of fouls on opposing players, but as someone already stated, that's more of a testament to Duncan's skill level as opposed to opinions of the refs. Tim has one of the best post up games in the league, and manages to not only get his defender out of timing and position, but take advantage of it. Ask Jackson Vroman, the New Orlean's rook:



"It was frustrating tonight," said Vroman, who had a career-high and team-leading 17 points on 8-of-12 shooting. "You make one little mistake on him and he makes you pay for it every time. He's got a different post move every time down the floor.


(http://www.nola.com/hornets/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1110869790204120.xml)

When Tim is playing offense, I think the calls even themselves out pretty well. He gets a lot of what people might call 'soft calls' on occasion, but he also gets beat to hell many times a game without any whistles being blown. I suppose it's the nature of the beast, being a superstar that does his work down low.

On the defensive end of the floor, however, I think is where Tim seems to gain an advantage; Primarily, with his shot blocking. Especially teamed with Rasho, it seems that referrees have come to EXPECT a blocked shot when an opponent takes it inside against the Spurs. Although Tim and Rasho BOTH have great defensive presence and timing, and they get more than their share of good, clean stuffs...I still think they gain the benefit of the doubt every now and then merely because people already expect to see these shots get slapped away.

[milkyway21]

speaking of Rasho, is he known to be committing too many fouls each game. and it is one factor why he gets limited minutes each time bec. he has to take the bench. is it the timing? or is he just too slow on rbds?

[Dex]

I think the defensive intelligence and intensity is there...but he is limited by his size and, thus, lack of speed. Even though he has really blossomed under the defensive teachings of Pop, Rasho will still always be big ol' Rasho. Makes for a good defensive presence, but also makes for a foul-prone center.

Still, considering the way Massenburg and Mohammad pick up fouls, it almost makes Rasho look like a graceful bigman. Almost.

[Dre_7]

i agree but, hey about that 3-pt goaltend? :rolleyes

Unfortunatly, that 3pt goal tend was the correct call.

I think someone may have already pointed this out, but I cant remember. I seen a couple times a player standing behind the arc, attempting a normal pass to a slashing guard, or a post up player, a defender gets his hand up, the pass is altered, and luckily goes in. The basket is ruled a 3 pointer. Kinda the same type of situation w/ the TD goaltend.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If it's touched it should be a two pointer. You don't see guys getting three points on alley oops.

They blew that call. Period.


The NBA refs are the best in my opinon in any sport.

I'll take the NFL refs and not lose any sleep over it. Then MLB, and NHL when they're playing.

NBA refs are the worst of any professional sport (okay, I'll give you soccer, but still...).

Case in point is traveling. It's there in the rule book, but the refs don't call it unless you have three different pivot feet, not three steps.

There is an underlying imperative for both collegiate and professional basketball officials to skew their officiating towards the offense, and there's not a game you can watch at either level where you can't say that's the case.

I referee basketball, and will never move up to HS or above, because even at the jr. high level "a tie goes to the offense" over any foul/potential foul.

[T Park]

Exactly aggie.

Another example of Buddy Holly's genius.


NBA refs such as Mr Zalensky, Bavetta, Jordan.

Violet Palmer, easily the worst ref in ALL of sports.



Saying that the NBA has "good refs" is absolute malarky. The best? puh fuckin lease.

[milkyway21]

..
NBA refs such as Mr Zalensky, Bavetta, Jordan.

Violet Palmer, easily the worst ref in ALL of sports.
Saying that the NBA has "good refs" is absolute malarky. The best? puh fuckin lease.

:rolleyes

speaking of referees, Sporting News have this list TOP WHISTLE BLOWER in the NBA

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3463316

No matter how scientific the league tries to make officiating through film study and critiques, refereeing a game still is a subjective art. And players and coaches are the beholders who define what beauty is in this realm.

We checked in with 20 players and coaches for their opinions on which refs rule best.


1. Joe Crawford. He's known for a very short fuse but is consistent.


2. Steve Javie. Tough but fair, Javie has an excellent sense of how to manage a game.


3. Dan Crawford. Most players agree that Crawford is one of the two most approachable refs.


4. Dick Bavetta. He'd be the other most approachable ref. Bavetta sometimes gets emotional but never loses his cool.


5. Bob Delaney. He's tough-minded and thick-skinned; Delaney never lets a missed call or squawking coach bother him


hey i like Bavetta;

& Joe Crawford-2003 Finals(after that Bruce Bowen free throw fiasco:cry). and that part when he told Duncan"Get away from me, Tim"(game 4?):lol

note: Jack Nies is NOT on the list. :spin