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LockBeard
04-01-2009, 09:39 AM
The Federalist Papers
http://www.amazon.com/Federalist-Papers-Signet-Classics/dp/0451528816/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238596537&sr=8-1

The Anti-Federalist Papers
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451528840/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Common Sense
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451528891/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Meltdown
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1596985879/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Economic Policy: Thoughts for Today and Tomorrow
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1933550015/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Ron Pizzle
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0446537519/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/DAS-I-Love-Liberal-Mug/dp/B000HMTMH8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1238596784&sr=8-4

Don Quixote
04-01-2009, 10:06 AM
Sounds like a good reading list.

I am finishing up Augustine's Confession, then moving on to ... Feinberg's The Many Faces of Evil. Or perhaps Yancey's Where is God When it Hurts?

Then I will take up the Constitution (again) and the Federalist Papers. Now would be a good time to read them.

Cant_Be_Faded
04-01-2009, 10:56 AM
Loose Change

The Obama Deception

9/11 The Road to Tyranny

Not Without My Anus

LnGrrrR
04-01-2009, 03:41 PM
The Professional Development Guide, Walking Dead, and Ultimates 3.

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 01:36 AM
assorted JL Borges

Nostromo

The Various Lives of Keats and Chapman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIrX5MfNedM), Including "The Brother"




Not as much generally, now that I'm an internet addict

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 03:45 AM
For the record: LockBeard's recent posts do not as yet reflect his august bibliographical pedigree. The other day he nominated Thomas Sowell as an intellectual idol. This post might be an attempted save.

Also for the record: WH23 for a long time has thought that the veneration of Thomas Paine is mindless and his inclusion among US founders inappropriate. Who knows? Maybe people like him for being anti-clerical and a more or less unreconstructed Jacobin.

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 04:02 AM
LockBeard is putting Mises in the cart with two old chestnuts, a paper mill, a fiery revolutionary and RP holding an "I (heart) Liberal Mug".

Do you actually read the books you buy, LockBeard, or did you already remove them from the cart? :lol

mogrovejo recently cited James Madison in the Elizabeth Warren thread if you really care so much.

LnGrrrR
04-02-2009, 08:07 AM
For the record: LockBeard's recent posts do not as yet reflect his august bibliographical pedigree. The other day he nominated Thomas Sowell as an intellectual idol. This post might be an attempted save.

Also for the record: WH23 for a long time has thought that the veneration of Thomas Paine is mindless and his inclusion among US founders inappropriate. Who knows? Maybe people like him for being anti-clerical and a more or less unreconstructed Jacobin.

I don't think of Thomas Paine as a founding father. I think he gets credit for distributing cheap pamphlets to try to involve the general public in the debate (which is well-deserved).

LockBeard
04-02-2009, 09:51 AM
I'm still a noob. I'm trying to broaden my understanding of all things politics.

I welcome suggestions from both sides as everyone here has something to offer :)

LnGrrrR
04-02-2009, 09:57 AM
I'm still a noob. I'm trying to broaden my understanding of all things politics.

I welcome suggestions from both sides as everyone here has something to offer :)

Refreshing honesty. I will say, you've gotten a little less dogmatic in your last posts. Nice to see.

LockBeard
04-02-2009, 09:57 AM
The other day he nominated Thomas Sowell as an intellectual idol. This post might be an attempted save.WH, I believe it is important for the black community and indoctrinated liberal youth in my generation to see an intelligent fiscally conservative black man with loyalty towards the individual and not government dependence. Once you understand the strength a single individual can acquire simply by believing in core principles of hard work, independence, perseverance, etc you begin to see how those who focus on race and all that are slowing themselves down and playing into the system set up by those who are promising to raise them up in the world; imo at least.

SnakeBoy
04-02-2009, 12:04 PM
Just got...

America Alone: Neoconservatives and the Global Order

baseline bum
04-02-2009, 02:25 PM
The Federalist Papers
http://www.amazon.com/Federalist-Papers-Signet-Classics/dp/0451528816/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238596537&sr=8-1

The Anti-Federalist Papers
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451528840/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Common Sense
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451528891/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Meltdown
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1596985879/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Economic Policy: Thoughts for Today and Tomorrow
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1933550015/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Ron Pizzle
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0446537519/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/DAS-I-Love-Liberal-Mug/dp/B000HMTMH8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1238596784&sr=8-4

So then you haven't read any of them yet?

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 03:46 PM
WH, I believe it is important for the black community and indoctrinated liberal youth in my generation to see an intelligent fiscally conservative black man with loyalty towards the individual and not government dependence. Once you understand the strength a single individual can acquire simply by believing in core principles of hard work, independence, perseverance, etc you begin to see how those who focus on race and all that are slowing themselves down and playing into the system set up by those who are promising to raise them up in the world; imo at least.I'll agree that TS's personal story is impressive enough, and if people take inspiration from it more power to them. I have the pragmatic view of personal inspiration: judge by the results, not the method.

Thomas Sowell is more a popularizer and polemicist than a professor. Fun to read for fellow partisans maybe, but he is not the source. Choosing Mises is a little better. He's still kind of fringy and faddish, but his theory of credit cycles does seem to explain the two biggest busts in the last century.

ChumpDumper
04-02-2009, 03:59 PM
I think I'll finish up reading a couple of series about Bushy.

The Gamble: General David Petraeus and the American Military Adventure in Iraq, 2006-2008 by Thomas E Ricks

The War Within: A Secret White House History 2006-2008 by Bob Woodward

and I usually get books through alibris.

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 04:02 PM
I don't think of Thomas Paine as a founding father. I think he gets credit for distributing cheap pamphlets to try to involve the general public in the debate (which is well-deserved).I thought we had plenty of exemplars in a more pertinently American vein. Common Sense may have been the number one ranked page-view at some point, but does that automatically make Thomas Paine great?

WH23 judges him by The Age of Reason. His Jacobinism and his cosmopolitanism have bupkis to do with the American Revolution.


Although Paine wrote The Age of Reason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Reason) for the French, he dedicated it to his "Fellow Citizens of the United States of America", alluding to his bond with the American revolutionaries.

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 04:07 PM
You heard correctly, righties: I called Thomas E. Woods a paper mill.

clambake
04-02-2009, 04:12 PM
You heard correctly, righties: I called Thomas E. Woods a paper mill.

verbal glove slap.

AntiChrist
04-02-2009, 04:15 PM
This looks funny

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fsWm82YML._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596980907?ie=UTF8&tag=bernardgoldbe-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1596980907

ChumpDumper
04-02-2009, 04:20 PM
Goldberg has never struck me as entertaining in the least. There are much funnier Obama haters out there.

Crookshanks
04-02-2009, 04:23 PM
Goldberg has never struck me as entertaining in the least. There are much funnier Obama haters out there.

Like Ann Coulter and Mark Levin? :lmao

ChumpDumper
04-02-2009, 04:25 PM
Like Ann Coulter and Mark Levin? :lmaoMost are unintentionally funny, but funnier than Goldberg nonetheless.

clambake
04-02-2009, 04:25 PM
:rollin mark levin

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 04:30 PM
I don't think of Thomas Paine as a founding father. I think he gets credit for distributing cheap pamphlets to try to involve the general public in the debate (which is well-deserved).He tested the prevailing tolerance of the 18th century, that's for sure.


In December 1792, Paine's Rights of Man, part II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Age_of_Reason) was declared seditious in Britain and he was forced to flee to France in order to avoid arrest.

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 04:32 PM
Thomas Paine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine) (January 29, 1737 – June 8, 1809) was a British (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK) pamphleteer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamphleteer), revolutionary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary), radical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radicalism_%28historical%29), inventor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventor), and intellectual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual). He lived and worked in Britain until age 37, when he emigrated to the British American colonies, in time to participate in the American Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution).

Winehole23
04-02-2009, 05:16 PM
OTOH, if you're doing a subunit on Deism, TP belongs on the list.

Bender
04-02-2009, 07:58 PM
boy, I feel dumb. My amazon cart currently has 2 DVD sets in it: Three Stooges vol 3, and vol 4... :lol

Cart also has a Seagate FreeAgent Go 320GB drive. A few books in my Cart also: The Medusa File, by Craig Roberts (gov't crimes & coverups...), Black Hawk Down, by Mark Bowden, and White Line Fever, an autobiography by Lemmy Kilminster.

LnGrrrR
04-03-2009, 07:31 AM
To be fair though WH23, Paine had a serious hard-on for America :D

Winehole23
04-03-2009, 07:45 AM
To be fair though WH23, Paine had a serious hard-on for America :DHe did. More as a an international revolutionary fellow traveler than as a patriot, but you're right.

Winehole23
04-03-2009, 02:31 PM
boy, I feel dumb. My amazon cart currently has 2 DVD sets in it: Three Stooges vol 3, and vol 4... :lol

Cart also has a Seagate FreeAgent Go 320GB drive. A few books in my Cart also: The Medusa File, by Craig Roberts (gov't crimes & coverups...), Black Hawk Down, by Mark Bowden, and White Line Fever, an autobiography by Lemmy Kilminster.Recommend?