gunman kills a lot of people(again).....

[antimvp]

................NRA cries about gunrights in 3.....2.....1.

[The Reckoning]

was the gun used registered?

[Lebowski Brickowski]

why again is concealed carry not legal IN ALL PLACES?

[smeagol]

"if one of the guys in the faiclity had a gun to put the gunman down" excuse for flooding the streets with more guns in . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

[leo_d]

"if one of the guys in the faiclity had a gun to put the gunman down" excuse for flooding the streets with more guns in . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

so you wouldn`t have wanted something to defend yourself?

i guess that`s the thinking when you trust the government your life.

[George Gervin's Afro]

so you wouldn`t have wanted something to defend yourself?

i guess that`s the thinking when you trust the government your life.

no. i will take the odds in that there will not be a workplace massacre at my place of employment. trust the govt with your life? Are you that stupid?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"if one of the guys in the faiclity had a gun to put the gunman down" excuse for flooding the streets with more guns in . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

Yes, it's much better to rely on the cops who get there too late to do anything about it. Ban all guns.

[Winehole23]

Yes, it's much better to rely on the cops who get there too late to do anything about it. Ban all guns.What's the CLEAT position on this, AHF? I honestly don't know. Do you?

[leo_d]

no. i will take the odds in that there will not be a workplace massacre at my place of employment.

good for you, i won`t


trust the govt with your life? Are you that stupid?

no, ¿are you?

[BlackSwordsMan]

gunman killed 3 cops today...

[sabar]

Lets outlaw guns like we outlawed drugs! That turned out great!
Oh wait...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/MDW.JPG/300px-MDW.JPG

I mean it's not like a black market will pop up where people can get guns for cheap or for favors.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7a/Merida_initiative_weapons_seized.jpg

These pictures are from Mexico/U.S. war on drugs.

[sabar]

Wiki (sourced material captioned)


Within the United States, homicide rates vary widely, and the relation to gun ownership is not simple. For example, "20 percent of U.S. homicides occur in four cities with just 6% of the population – New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Washington, D.C., and each has a virtual prohibition on private handguns"[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#cite_note-Reynolds_and_Caruth-21) Detroit has 47.3 murders per every 100,000 residents.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#cite_note-22) In contrast to these areas, some areas have widespread gun ownership with low rates of homicide. In 2005, Wyoming had the highest number of homes with loaded and unlocked guns, at 33% of all homes in the state, of any state in the United States[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#cite_note-23) and had a homicide rate of 1.7/100,000.[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence#cite_note-24)

There's been other things posted here in every gun thread. Gun violence rates in the U.S., Mexico, Australia and Switzerland with no clear correlation between ownership rate and homicide rate.

Also, outlawing one form of violence is not going to stop a determined killer


Knife-Wielding Man Kills 8 Children at Japanese School (http://www.portraitsofhope.org/news/japan/japan05.pdf)
Japanese man kills seven in Tokyo stabbing rampage (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/08/japan)
Japanese man kills 7 with truck, knife (http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/2960-japanese-man-kills-7-truck-knife.html)
Milton man kills sisters with kitchen knife (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/milton-man-kills-sisters-with-kitchen-knife/1595269337/?icid=VIDLRVNWS06)
Bomb kills 11 in Pakistan (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bomb-kills-11-in-pakistan-1654851.html)
FOXNews.com - Bomb Kills Nearly 50 at Pakistan Mosque (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510918,00.html)
McVeigh Admits Bombing That Killed 168 (http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-421583.html)
Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway (http://www.japan-101.com/culture/sarin_gas_attack_on_the_tokyo_su.htm)

[Trainwreck2100]

what's great about living in a place with private hgs is you don't know who is carrying

[MannyIsGod]

Obviously I'm not in favor of taking away peoples guns. What I have an issue with is the frenzy the GOP nuts are whipping up because this is what happens.



Mr. Perkovic and other former classmates said they were surprised by this morning's events. Mr. Perkovic said Mr. Poplawski was opposed to "Zionist propaganda" and was fearful that his right to own weapons would be taken away but he wasn't a member of an organized group or militia.
"He always said that if someone tried to take his weapons away he would do what his forefathers told him to do and defend himself."
Another friend, Aaron Vire, 23, said he'd helped Mr. Poplawski and Mr. Perkovic with a radio show they'd broadcast on the Internet, discussing "politics, girls and life."
Mr. Poplawski had supported Republican candidate John McCain in the presidential election and had "very spirited debates" about Democratic candidate Barack Obama, Mr. Vire said. Mr. Poplawski was opposed to Mr. Obama's election, which he thought would result in the loss of his rights, Mr. Vire said.
"He wasn't a racist but thought some of his amendments were overlooked," Mr. Vire said. Even though Mr. Vire is black and Mr. Poplawski is white, the debates over President Obama did not hurt their friendship, he said.
Mr. Poplawski told him he bought his guns "because he felt the quality of life was being diminished," Mr. Vire said.
"He said he'll be ready if there's ever an invasion of the United States and that he had stockpiled foods and guns for that eventuality."
More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09094/960660-100.stm

Keep up the irresponsible fear mongering about people coming for your guns. Keep it up. Its doing a lot of good right now.

The conservative movement in this country is currently incredibly detached and irresponsible.

[BonnerDynasty]

There is no fear-mongering. It is reality. This country is getting too polarized. How can you expect people to not be scared when the country is led by the radical left atm after having 8 years of neocons fucking things up aswell, the country has been sentenced to extreme deficit, social security and medicare are still going to buttsecks the country, and the economy is no where close to coming out of the current downturn? All of this while Obama tries to lower Americans standard of living and highten its political control to the level of the rest of the socialist/communist world.

When the MSM/Government reports 90% of Mexican drug cartels guns come from America, when the reality is 17%; there is an obvious agenda.

Besides, it's not like these pathetic scum that did these shootings were intelligent political minds bent on sending a real message. You can tell this by the innocent people they killed. Old people, officers, immigrants doing it the RIGHT way...:depressed

[Oh, Gee!!]

There is no fear-mongering. It is reality. This country is getting too polarized. How can you expect people to not be scared when the country is led by the radical left atm after having 8 years of neocons fucking things up aswell, the country has been sentenced to extreme deficit, social security and medicare are still going to buttsecks the country, and the economy is no where close to coming out of the current downturn? All of this while Obama tries to lower Americans standard of living and highten its political control to the level of the rest of the socialist/communist world.

When the MSM/Government reports 90% of Mexican drug cartels guns come from America, when the reality is 17%; there is an obvious agenda.

Besides, it's not like these pathetic scum that did these shootings were intelligent political minds bent on sending a real message. You can tell this by the innocent people they killed. Old people, officers, immigrants doing it the RIGHT way...:depressed

oh shit!!! crazy alert

[ClingingMars]

There is no fear-mongering. It is reality. This country is getting too polarized. How can you expect people to not be scared when the country is led by the radical left atm after having 8 years of neocons fucking things up aswell, the country has been sentenced to extreme deficit, social security and medicare are still going to buttsecks the country, and the economy is no where close to coming out of the current downturn? All of this while Obama tries to lower Americans standard of living and highten its political control to the level of the rest of the socialist/communist world.

When the MSM/Government reports 90% of Mexican drug cartels guns come from America, when the reality is 17%; there is an obvious agenda.

Besides, it's not like these pathetic scum that did these shootings were intelligent political minds bent on sending a real message. You can tell this by the innocent people they killed. Old people, officers, immigrants doing it the RIGHT way...:depressed

I missed BD. Why weren't you around when Bonner was having his coming out party?

[Wild Cobra]

You know, I have avoided the news the last few days but did hear a little. Not enough though. I have noticed a pattern that past 'gun killing sprees' happen in designated 'gun free zones.' Did these last two occur in gun free zones as well, where the shooter could have relatively good confidence nobody could stop thin right away?

The legal holder of arms don't commit such acts and we should allow them to protect us. the police cannot be everywhere, or do liberals want a police state?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

There is no fear-mongering. It is reality. This country is getting too polarized. How can you expect people to not be scared when the country is led by the radical left atm after having 8 years of neocons fucking things up aswell, the country has been sentenced to extreme deficit, social security and medicare are still going to buttsecks the country, and the economy is no where close to coming out of the current downturn? All of this while Obama tries to lower Americans standard of living and highten its political control to the level of the rest of the socialist/communist world.

When the MSM/Government reports 90% of Mexican drug cartels guns come from America, when the reality is 17%; there is an obvious agenda.

Besides, it's not like these pathetic scum that did these shootings were intelligent political minds bent on sending a real message. You can tell this by the innocent people they killed. Old people, officers, immigrants doing it the RIGHT way...:depressed

...

this forum's quality of posters has gone to shit... Every thread I look in is full of posts like this retard's.

[Rogue]

Yes, it's much better to rely on the cops who get there too late to do anything about it. Ban all guns.
good suggestion but it's acutally not feasible, just like most of Obama's promises and announcements. oppositely, the prohibitation of guns will probably provoke some die-hard gun lovers and make them do some crazy things with their guns. earlier this morning I heard a sad story on johnjeff show that a crazy gunner killed 3 cops. The gun problem of US is not piled up overnight, it can even be dated back to Lucky Luck's time. Just like the financial problems, the gun problems cannot be resolved either. Being a president doesn't only require ambition and passion, patience and diplomacy are even more important sometimes.

[Extra Stout]

Mexican drug cartels used to get their weapons from the U.S. market. When the current drug wars heated up, they decided they needed something more potent, so they solicited the international arms dealers.

[ChumpDumper]

The legal holder of arms don't commit such actsFrom a transcript of NBC Nightly News:

Authorities say Jiverly Voong planned a long siege, and to take on police. Clad in body armor, armed with two semi-automatic handguns – both registered to him – and a bag full of ammunition, Voong barricaded the back door of the cultural center with a car, then stormed in the front door.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/04/05/nbc-one-gunman-loved-guns-hated-america-other-passionate-about-gun-ri

[MannyIsGod]

http://washingtonindependent.com/37360/scenes-from-the-real-america

[Wild Cobra]

From a transcript of NBC Nightly News:

Authorities say Jiverly Voong planned a long siege, and to take on police. Clad in body armor, armed with two semi-automatic handguns – both registered to him – and a bag full of ammunition, Voong barricaded the back door of the cultural center with a car, then stormed in the front door.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2009/04/05/nbc-one-gunman-loved-guns-hated-america-other-passionate-about-gun-ri
There is the rare exception. As for protecting us, I meant the concealed carry.

What about the area? Was it a "gun free" zone where legal conceal carry citizens were not permitted to bring their weapons?

[PixelPusher]

http://washingtonindependent.com/37360/scenes-from-the-real-america

Wow, these guys really hate Nazis...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/3416507603_40041b0fe3.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3556/3417560913_63cbc5dbd8.jpg?v=0

Wow, these guys really love Nazis...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3551/3417315394_1c408b91cb.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3548/3417314642_8035f64eb5.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3373/3417319928_ed71570bb2.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3147/3416512757_72f1d6117e.jpg?v=0

[ChumpDumper]

The legal holder of arms don't commit such acts

There is the rare exception.You need a pedometer to measure all the backtracking you've done these past few days.

[Wild Cobra]

You need a pedometer to measure all the backtracking you've done these past few days.

I made a mistake on my remarks in this case. I admitted that already. Must you always be an ass?

[clambake]

he's only an ass when you share your opinion.

[DarrinS]

Gun control laws work.

Washington DC is a great example.

[DarrinS]

For the record, I don't own a gun.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously, what percentage of people do you think are packing at any given time in a place not designated a gun-free zone?

[Wild Cobra]

Seriously, what percentage of people do you think are packing at any given time in a place not designated a gun-free zone?
It's pretty small, but these zones effectively take away the 2nd amendment.

The point isn't how many, but that someone with criminal intent can be safer in committing his crime in such places.

[ChumpDumper]

This guy killed himself. How safe did he want to feel?

[Blake]

I made a mistake on my remarks in this case. I admitted that already. Must you always be an ass?

must you always make mistakes?

[DarrinS]

If you really want to get rid of something that causes senseless death, get rid of tobacco, alcohol, and automobiles.

[clambake]

gun killings aren't senseless?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

good suggestion but it's acutally not feasible, just like most of Obama's promises and announcements. oppositely, the prohibitation of guns will probably provoke some die-hard gun lovers and make them do some crazy things with their guns. earlier this morning I heard a sad story on johnjeff show that a crazy gunner killed 3 cops. The gun problem of US is not piled up overnight, it can even be dated back to Lucky Luck's time. Just like the financial problems, the gun problems cannot be resolved either. Being a president doesn't only require ambition and passion, patience and diplomacy are even more important sometimes.

That was tongue in cheek. You see more of these massacres happening in places with gun bans. Hell, cities like Chicago and D.C. who have done everything they can to ban guns have the worst gun violence in the country.

I'm a proponent of concealed carry, and all banning guns does is give the criminals an unarmed populace to prey upon. Look at England... they banned guns, stabbings went through the roof, and now their parliament is considering a ban on all knives inclusive of steak knives. It's lunacy.