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PixelPusher
04-04-2009, 07:53 PM
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Texas state Senate bans Vista from use in government agencies (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130992&source=NLT_PM)
Senate provision contained in a budget bill that still requires final approval
By Eric Lai

April 2, 2009 (Computerworld) The Texas state Senate yesterday gave preliminary approval to a state budget that includes a provision forbidding government agencies from upgrading to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows Vista without written consent of the legislature.

Sen. Juan Hinojosa, a Democrat from McAllen and vice chairman of the Finance Committee, proposed the rider because "of the many reports of problems with Vista."

"We are not in any way, shape or form trying to pick on Microsoft, but the problems with this particular [operating] system are known nationwide," Hinojosa said during a Senate session debating the rider Wednesday evening (starting at 4:42 of this RealMedia video stream). "And the XP operating system is working very well."

The rider requires state agencies to get the written approval of the Legislative Budget Board before purchasing Vista licenses, upgrades or even new PCs with Vista pre-installed on it.

A Microsoft spokeswoman, in an e-mail, wrote, "We're surprised that the Texas Senate Finance Committee adopted a rider which, in effect, singles out a specific corporation and product for unequal treatment. We hope as the budget continues to go through the process, this language will be removed."

Microsoft has 1,500 employees in the state. It also opened a $500 million data center in San Antonio last year, the spokeswoman said.

According to Texas Department of Information Resources data shared with The Houston Chronicle, 44 state agencies have already spent a total of $6.1 million to upgrade to Vista in the last several years. They range from a low of $122 spent by the Texas Board of Professional Land Surveying to $1.6 million spent by the Health and Human Services Commission.

State agencies make their own IT purchasing decisions independent of the DIR. They may, however, buy through contracts procured by the DIR, according to DIR spokesman David Duncan.

"As a state agency, we are prohibited from saying anything that is positive or negative towards legislation," he said. "We will comply with the will of the legislature."

The DIR's 265 employees remain on Windows XP and Mac OS X, Duncan said. Windows users are likely to skip Vista entirely and upgrade to the upcoming Windows 7 operating system, he added, because of the timing of the agency's regular upgrade cycle.

"We're not holding off as a reaction to what Microsoft is producing," he said.

Texas' two-year $182.2 billion budget was passed by the Senate last night by a vote of 26-5. It awaits final approval next week. The state House of Representatives is crafting its own version of a state budget. The rider must still be approved by a conference committee comprising both Senate and House members to reconcile the two versions of the budget, said a spokesman for Hinojosa.

Three senators raised objections to the provision, saying it was dangerously specific to a single vendor, and that it set a bad precedent.

But Hinojosa replied: "The reason we are so vendor-specific is because Microsoft has a monopoly on government PCs."

Windows is used on more than 99% of the 137,500 desktop and laptop PCs running in state agencies, according to a November 2008 survey by the Texas state comptroller. State agencies also use 1,500 Macs.

Macs have an 11% share of the 423,000 computers in use in the state's public schools, according to the survey. Schools, however, are exempt from Hinajosa's rider.

Like many states, Texas faces budget problems. Moreover, it has had recent problems with major technology contracts.

In October, the state suspended an $863 million data center outsourcing deal to a group of companies led by IBM after several agencies complained that they had lost data because of poor backup procedures.

In December, the state and Accenture agreed to end an $899 million outsourcing deal. The state spent $243 million on the contract, which ended two years after it was begun.

In 2007, Microsoft was also targeted by a Texas bill that would have required state agencies to use software that was compliant with open document standards, such as the Open Document Format. The state representative who created the bill admitted that he became interested in the issue after talking with lobbyists from IBM.

The bill, like many others in states around the country, was eventually defeated, though Duncan said it is scheduled to be raised again by the same representative and by Hinojosa in upcoming House and Senate hearings.

Obstructed_View
04-04-2009, 08:06 PM
Spending a single cent of taxpayer money to put Vista on government computers is retarded. Not because Vista's a bad OS, but a) because there's nothing wrong with XP, and b) the added expense of having to train people to use it. I'm not sure how many government employees need Sidebar of Flip3D or Windows DVD Maker in order to do their jobs.

sook
04-04-2009, 08:10 PM
good

sabar
04-04-2009, 08:10 PM
We could save millions of dollars by not using the product of a corporate monopoly and using a free OS, but that makes too much sense.

CubanMustGo
04-04-2009, 09:12 PM
Spending a single cent of taxpayer money to put Vista on government computers is retarded. Not because Vista's a bad OS, but a) because there's nothing wrong with XP, and b) the added expense of having to train people to use it. I'm not sure how many government employees need Sidebar of Flip3D or Windows DVD Maker in order to do their jobs.

Micro$oft no longer allows vendors to sell XP (any flavor) on new hardware. You cannot order an XP license, either on an individual basis or as a OEM. Sure, you can find them on Craigslist/EBay, but your average schmuck doesn't know that.

You CAN, however, order a Vista Business license w/a downgrade to XP. Micro$oft gets to say they sold a Vista license but Vista Business includes the right to downgrade to XP. Your major vendors will happily sell you a machine with custom downgrades to XP (and appropriate drivers). What a joke. Vista Home does NOT include the right to downgrade ... so my father-in-law, who badly needed a new machine back in January, is now running a business-class HP box with one of the downgrades (there was a $299 promotion at the beginning of the year). Not only does the machine run faster, but since it was a business class box it came with a three-year on-site warranty at no extra cost. Thanks, Micro$oft!

Bender
04-04-2009, 09:14 PM
I agree with the Legislative decision regarding Vista.

I agree with sabar also. I wonder how many millions of dollars federal and state governments blow on microsoft licenses...

A good enterprise linux distro is free, no license bullshit, and uses open standards for documents, etc.

PixelPusher
04-04-2009, 10:00 PM
We could save millions of dollars by not using the product of a corporate monopoly and using a free OS, but that makes too much sense.


I agree with the Legislative decision regarding Vista.

I agree with sabar also. I wonder how many millions of dollars federal and state governments blow on microsoft licenses...

A good enterprise linux distro is free, no license bullshit, and uses open standards for documents, etc.



Study: U.S. gov't could save billions with cloud computing, open source (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9128379)


Over three years, the potential savings would be $3.7 billion for using open-source software, $13.3 billion for using virtualization technologies, and $6.6 billion from cloud computing or software as a service, the study said.

baseline bum
04-04-2009, 11:12 PM
It'd be a pain to go Open Source, especially since most people at a job are likely to already be trained in Windows from their own home computer usage. The transition from Windows to UNIX-like operating systems is in no way trivial IMO. UNIX has a very steep learning curve because you really need to know a lot of the little programs in it and probably a bit of shell scripting too to be really comfortable using it. The command-line console plays such a huge part in UNIX as opposed to Windows. Also, the documentation for it is very cryptic (except on OpenBSD, where the manpages are outstanding). It could definitely save money in the long run to switch to open source software, but if there's one thing America has shown over the past 30 years, it's that we don't give a shit about the long term and we want results right now. For most businesses, a switch from Windows to UNIX is likely to be pretty bad for productivity in the short term.

koriwhat
04-04-2009, 11:41 PM
It'd be a pain to go Open Source, especially since most people at a job are likely to already be trained in Windows from their own home computer usage. The transition from Windows to UNIX-like operating systems is in no way trivial IMO. UNIX has a very steep learning curve because you really need to know a lot of the little programs in it and probably a bit of shell scripting too to be really comfortable using it. The command-line console plays such a huge part in UNIX as opposed to Windows. Also, the documentation for it is very cryptic (except on OpenBSD, where the manpages are outstanding). It could definitely save money in the long run to switch to open source software, but if there's one thing America has shown over the past 30 years, it's that we don't give a shit about the long term and we want results right now. For most businesses, a switch from Windows to UNIX is likely to be pretty bad for productivity in the short term.

not really... government employees using microsoft word won't have a huge dilemma using openoffice or the whole OS at all. it's petty cut and dry these days in regard to userfriendlyOS.

PixelPusher
04-05-2009, 02:07 AM
not really... government employees using microsoft word won't have a huge dilemma using openoffice or the whole OS at all. it's petty cut and dry these days in regard to userfriendlyOS.

Baseline Bum is probably referring to it in terms of IT, system administrators, etc. There's nothing trivial about that part.

baseline bum
04-05-2009, 04:59 AM
not really... government employees using microsoft word won't have a huge dilemma using openoffice or the whole OS at all. it's petty cut and dry these days in regard to userfriendlyOS.

The average office-worker isn't going to be used to user/group/other/sticky permissions, know how you kill a bad process ASAP with sudo kill -9 $(pidof whatever), or know how to get a new IP address invoking dhclient or dhcpcd with sudo. Not to mention some poor bastard typing rm and deleting a file and then finding out it didn't go to the Trash can and can't be recovered without calling IT. Windows users are used to having much more power than UNIX typically allows (a least, without calling sudo and typing in a password once). You're probably slashing everyone's computer literacy in half in the short term by moving to a wildly-different operating system, and like PixelPusher mentioned, it'll be hell on IT also.

Obstructed_View
04-05-2009, 06:00 AM
Micro$oft no longer allows vendors to sell XP (any flavor) on new hardware. You cannot order an XP license, either on an individual basis or as a OEM. Sure, you can find them on Craigslist/EBay, but your average schmuck doesn't know that.

You CAN, however, order a Vista Business license w/a downgrade to XP. Micro$oft gets to say they sold a Vista license but Vista Business includes the right to downgrade to XP. Your major vendors will happily sell you a machine with custom downgrades to XP (and appropriate drivers). What a joke. Vista Home does NOT include the right to downgrade ... so my father-in-law, who badly needed a new machine back in January, is now running a business-class HP box with one of the downgrades (there was a $299 promotion at the beginning of the year). Not only does the machine run faster, but since it was a business class box it came with a three-year on-site warranty at no extra cost. Thanks, Micro$oft!

That's funny. I have a business account that allows me to download any Microsoft product with a legal license. There's a big database with all the software there, going back years. I've installed Vista, XP, Media Center and Windows 95 recently. Your average schmuck doesn't know about it, but then again, your average schmuck probably doesn't know anything about purchasing or how businesses and governments buy equipment.

If the state government is buying computers the same way your father in law does, they've got much bigger problems than the OS loaded on the box, and trying to install some flavor of Linux on them after the fact, plus install all the apps, make everything talk and train the people will cost a fortune. It's sort of like saying that instead of buying new vehicles, the department of transportation or public safety should buy old cars and just fix them up to save money from the greedy automakers because your brother got screwed by the salesman at the Nissan dealership.

CubanMustGo
04-05-2009, 03:49 PM
Obviously, you are right, OV. I was thinking the small business model where companies don't have dedicated IT staffs or corporate site licenses with M$oft. One would hope the State of TX does have enterprise licenses to allow them to install whatever MS OS they want.