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Bruno
04-07-2009, 08:03 PM
:smokin

djohn14
04-07-2009, 08:06 PM
Is this a serious post because...because he isnt playing for the Toros?

MrChug
04-07-2009, 08:08 PM
We might as well sign VANESSA Williams.

tav1
04-07-2009, 08:08 PM
It's serious. I'm working on the details...

Bruno
04-07-2009, 08:09 PM
It is a serious post. The broadcast guy at the Toros game said it.

EricB
04-07-2009, 08:10 PM
Who gets cut to make room though? Hairston?

Bruno
04-07-2009, 08:10 PM
First, Marcus Williams is a stud.

Second, Spurs have a full roster. Will they waive someone or will they get a roster exception with Manu's injury ?

duncan228
04-07-2009, 08:11 PM
Thanks Bruno and tav1. Appreciate the info.

SenorSpur
04-07-2009, 08:11 PM
Shit, why not?

Since Manu is out for season, does that open up an actual roster spot, which is why they're looking at Williams?

Actually, I thought they'd just recall Malik Hairston back. Does that mean Hairston likely wont get a call up?

crc21209
04-07-2009, 08:12 PM
I havent seen much of him this year, how's he been doing? Anyone think he can make somewhat of an impact?

xtremesteven33
04-07-2009, 08:13 PM
Id like to see Hairston and Marcus Williams in a Spurs uniform....

EricB
04-07-2009, 08:14 PM
Either hairston has been cut or oberto or vaughn has been cut. I'm betting on hairston.

TimDunkem
04-07-2009, 08:14 PM
If he's so good then why has he been in Austin for so long? And does this mean Malik will be the man in Austin? I was hoping the Spurs would just re-call him.

MaNu4Tres
04-07-2009, 08:15 PM
Interesting. Wonder if this will be a multi-year contract.

SenorSpur
04-07-2009, 08:19 PM
Which Marcus Williams are we talking about? The PG or the SF that the Spurs drafted a couple of seasons ago?

EricB
04-07-2009, 08:19 PM
different marcus Williams.

TimDunkem
04-07-2009, 08:19 PM
Which Marcus Williams are we talking about? The PG or the SF that the Spurs drafted a couple of seasons ago?

I assumed the 6,7 forward...

xtremesteven33
04-07-2009, 08:20 PM
Which Marcus Williams are we talking about? The PG or the SF that the Spurs drafted a couple of seasons ago?



you are right....my bad

EricB
04-07-2009, 08:20 PM
Which Marcus Williams are we talking about? The PG or the SF that the Spurs drafted a couple of seasons ago?



Small forward

crc21209
04-07-2009, 08:22 PM
So any way he could make an impact immediately or is this more of a long-term move? Anyone?

Russ
04-07-2009, 08:23 PM
1. Is this the same Marcus Williams who washed out as the Spurs' 2d round pick last year?

2. If signed would he be eligible for the postseason?

3. Is he better than Malik Hairston in the Spurs' system?

DynastyBuilder
04-07-2009, 08:25 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but someone would have to be waived, yes?

tav1
04-07-2009, 08:25 PM
Recent write up on Marcus Williams:

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/04/04/marcus-williams-as-point-guard/

tav1
04-07-2009, 08:26 PM
waived or an exception

no press releases yet...

benefactor
04-07-2009, 08:26 PM
I was just pondering why no one had picked him up. With Oberto's heart problems they may have cut him as he would likely retire after the season anyway. Cutting Hairston doesn't make much sense IMO. His ceiling seems much higher.

Spurs Brazil
04-07-2009, 08:27 PM
Spurs will probably waive Malik

DynastyBuilder
04-07-2009, 08:27 PM
waived or an exception

no press releases yet...

First I can ever recall of an exception, anyone have recent memory of such an exception happening?

Bruno
04-07-2009, 08:29 PM
I somewhat doubt Spurs got an exception. You don't get one that easily.

spursfan1000
04-07-2009, 08:31 PM
If someone has to be waived...waive Vaughn!

tav1
04-07-2009, 08:35 PM
I somewhat doubt Spurs got an exception. You don't get one that easily.

Agreed. The Heat were down to Riley, Ahearn and a mascot last year before their exception was allotted...but it is possible. That's all I'm saying.

loveforthegame
04-07-2009, 08:36 PM
Is he even available for the playoffs? If not, then what was the point?

Mel_13
04-07-2009, 08:38 PM
Fab hasn't played since the heart problem. He's the 5th big on the depth chart now and his contract is only 50% guaranteed for next year. Almost inevitable that he will be not be back next year. I think he is the most likely candidate to be waived.

If they sign Williams now, they may get something out of him this year and perhaps lock him up on a partially guaranteed minimum deal for next year.

JoshO501
04-07-2009, 08:39 PM
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2009/4/7/826465/marcus-williams-called-up-to-san

tav1
04-07-2009, 08:42 PM
Fab hasn't played since the heart problem. He's the 5th big on the depth chart now and his contract is only 50% guaranteed for next year. Almost inevitable that he will be not be back next year. I think he is the most likely candidate to be waived.

If they sign Williams now, they may get something out of him this year and perhaps lock him up on a partially guaranteed minimum deal for next year.


1.9 is still a lot to swallow in this economy...

DynastyBuilder
04-07-2009, 08:45 PM
He has been tearing it up in Austin no doubt. But so has Malik and DeMarcus Nelson.

Mel_13
04-07-2009, 08:45 PM
1.9 is still a lot to swallow in this economy...

They either pay him 3.8M next year to play or 1.9M not to play and use the 1.9M towards other talent. 1.9M would be enough for Hairston, Gist and a 2nd round pick in this year's draft

benefactor
04-07-2009, 08:48 PM
They either pay him 3.8M next year to play or 1.9M not to play and use the 1.9M towards other talent. 1.9M would be enough for Hairston, Gist and a 2nd round pick in this year's draft
Agreed. I think something was mentioned a while back that if his heart began giving him problems again he said he would retire. It makes sense.

Bruno
04-07-2009, 08:55 PM
Dell Demps was interviewed at the halftime of the Toros game.

He said that Marcus Williams has really matured as a player and that they really like his passing and his rebounding skills. He also said that Hairston need to improve his shoot.

ChumpDumper
04-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Marcus definitely isn't playing for the Toros tonight.

loveforthegame
04-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Will he be available for the playoffs?

Spurs Brazil
04-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Will he be available for the playoffs?

Yes

Spursone
04-07-2009, 08:59 PM
Malik Hairston is playing in Austin tonight and has 18 POINTS AT THE HALF.:downspin:

Pop please bring him to SA.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
04-07-2009, 09:00 PM
Marcus Williams who had no game 18 months ago is now a stud!? Stranger things have happened, I guess.

SanAntonioSpurs23
04-07-2009, 09:00 PM
Will Williams be able to play in the Playoffs? And will Pop let him play?

It looks like the guy can score in the Dleague but more importantly how is his D?

Edit: ok he can play in the Playoffs...

Bruno
04-07-2009, 09:06 PM
As said by others, Oberto hasn't played for Spurs since his heart troubles.

If he decides to retire because of this injury, his salary will be mainly paid by insurances and his 09-10 will not count against the cap (and the luxury tax).

Even if it would be really bad to see Oberto retiring for health reasons, he would be a nice operation money-wise.

Spurs_9_20_21
04-07-2009, 09:15 PM
So..... it is official that we signed him??? I hope he is a real difference maker from the start!!! Let's hope that he plays the way he always played in the D-League!!! :flag:

Ocotillo
04-07-2009, 09:23 PM
Williams averaged 92% from the free throw line in March?

He's not Spurs material.

timvp
04-07-2009, 09:26 PM
:smokin

Is that emoticon going to turn to a :cry if the Spurs waive Mahinmi?

:hat

And as far as I know, you don't get an exception for an extra roster spot unless you have a bunch of injuries.

024
04-07-2009, 09:27 PM
Williams was averaging 23 points, 7.0 boards and 5.3 assists, as a sort of point-forward for the Spurs affiliate, the Austin Toros.
popovich calling him up to be backup pg in the playoffs?

DynastyBuilder
04-07-2009, 09:28 PM
And as far as I know, you don't get an exception for an extra roster spot unless you have a bunch of injuries.

That's what I thought as well.

ducks
04-07-2009, 09:29 PM
malik has no jumper he will be waived

timvp
04-07-2009, 09:29 PM
Regarding the move, it's obviously a move to keep his rights over the summer. The Spurs aren't going to call him up and put him in the rotation. I haven't seen him play in a while so I can't really comment on how smart it is to ensure his rights.

I hope that the cut isn't Hairston. I know his outside shot needs work but the rest of his game looks solid. I'd much rather the Spurs keep Hairston in the fold than Williams.

EricB
04-07-2009, 09:33 PM
Chump seems high on him but I still have my doubts.

nz_spur
04-07-2009, 09:33 PM
Even if Marcus Williams is given the call up, I am very doubtful that he is allowed to do more than warm the bench. Pop is still the coach after all!

ducks
04-07-2009, 09:36 PM
he will get playing time early
manu will be limited if he is still a spur early on the season

tav1
04-07-2009, 09:36 PM
I have no doubt this is a protection signing. I'd be shocked if Williams played. But it'll be good to have him in camp. I think he could make a decent 3rd point. No joke. The big difference between now and, say, this time last year is that Williams projects into an NBA position. He didn't really project anywhere before.

From what I understand, the T-Wolves were interested in Marcus Williams. That's where the pressure was coming from.

ducks
04-07-2009, 09:38 PM
seems strange to do this move now and not after playoffs
either very high on him
or afraid of other teams getting him

urunobili
04-07-2009, 09:42 PM
i'm just wishing the Spurs will keep Malik

HarlemHeat37
04-07-2009, 09:50 PM
I agree with the idea that we're just keeping his rights..

we should have a good number of young guys competing for spots on the roster this off-season..competition brings out the best..

RuffnReadyOzStyle
04-07-2009, 09:50 PM
Will Williams be able to play in the Playoffs? And will Pop let him play?

It looks like the guy can score in the Dleague but more importantly how is his D?

Edit: ok he can play in the Playoffs...


popovich calling him up to be backup pg in the playoffs?

How does that make sense given that Pop won't even play Hill?

If Marcus comes in, I doubt he does more than warm a bench spot and soak up some playoff atmosphere.

As to who should be waived, JV or Fab surely?

timvp
04-07-2009, 09:51 PM
tav1, ChumpDumper, Bruno or anyone else who has watched the Toros lately, who is the better NBA prospect between Williams and Hairston? Thank you in advance.

Williams playing point guard is an interesting development. I know he did a little of that both in high school and at Arizona. Perhaps that does give him a position to play in the NBA because prior to that, he was basically just a tiny power forward.

RuffnReadyOzStyle
04-07-2009, 09:52 PM
tav1, ChumpDumper, Bruno or anyone else who has watched the Toros lately, who is the better NBA prospect between Williams and Hairston? Thank you in advance.

Williams playing point guard is an interesting development. I know he did a little of that both in high school and at Arizona. Perhaps that does give him a position to play in the NBA because prior to that, he was basically just a tiny power forward.

Have you seen this timvp:

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/04/04/marcus-williams-as-point-guard/

holcs50
04-07-2009, 09:53 PM
NICE - a UA wildcat. Watched him play a lot back in college and yea with his skills kind of tough to fit into a position...but none the less he does have skills. He never played pg at UA so i have no idea howd that work-but looks like hes putting up some nice number in the dleague- that trip double is damn good no matter where you are.

Mugen
04-07-2009, 09:54 PM
i really like maliks game but i havent seen much of williams.

malik can get to the rack, a trait not many spurs outside of tp and manu have

jcrod
04-07-2009, 09:57 PM
Hairston showed so much promise on defense, i hope they don't cut him.

SouthTexasRancher
04-07-2009, 09:58 PM
Williams averaged 92% from the free throw line in March?

He's not Spurs material.


LOL...........You are correct!!!

@ 92% he'll never fit in with a Pop coached team. Maybe the rest of the team can convince him to shoot at a 71.234% rate so he'll fit right in with the rest of the team.

ChumpDumper
04-07-2009, 10:07 PM
Marcus proved his ability to bring up the ball against an aggressive fullcourt press for an entire half last week against Tulsa. His decision-making when he drives has improved also as he has developed a little floater to keep his layups from being blocked. His passing has been pretty impressive these past three months. I hope we keep Malik too, but I can't think of very many other players I would want to call up.

exstatic
04-07-2009, 10:10 PM
Tweety says no Marcus Williams for us.

http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/home/lklim/TweetyBirdBlueb.jpg

ChumpDumper
04-07-2009, 10:13 PM
Tweety says no Marcus Williams for us.Well, he probably got called up by somebody.

ChumpDumper
04-07-2009, 10:24 PM
RU says yes.

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2009/4/7/826465/marcus-williams-called-up-to-san

fyatuk
04-07-2009, 10:25 PM
Since Manu is out for season, does that open up an actual roster spot, which is why they're looking at Williams?


Not unless they're granted a roster exemption. They should still have to waive someone.

Destro
04-07-2009, 10:26 PM
i was at saturdays Toros game. Williams played point for a while and he played at a much higher level than the other D-leaguers. The game came really easy to him. He played smart and saw the floor very well. Malik looked good to, you could tell he was focused on D every second that he played. His jumper was the same. Williams is intresting for the Spurs

tav1
04-07-2009, 10:28 PM
tav1, ChumpDumper, Bruno or anyone else who has watched the Toros lately, who is the better NBA prospect between Williams and Hairston? Thank you in advance.

Williams playing point guard is an interesting development. I know he did a little of that both in high school and at Arizona. Perhaps that does give him a position to play in the NBA because prior to that, he was basically just a tiny power forward.

I think it's a push, but I'd probably go with Hairston for his defensive ceiling. The wing is much more pressing priority than a 3rd point, imo. Williams was a revelation last week, though. If the Spurs could find a way to get them both in camp next season, they are the wiser for it.

Lost in this is that DeMarcus Williams would make a pretty decent Vaughn replacement too. He's looked solid. His measurements are basically Hill's...but his 3 point stroke is much better than I expected. I point this out because I think we're starting to see low hanging fruit on the branches of the Toros tree.

ChumpDumper
04-07-2009, 10:29 PM
i was at saturdays Toros game. Williams played point for a while and he played at a much higher level than the other D-leaguers. The game came really easy to him. He played smart and saw the floor very well. Malik looked good to, you could tell he was focused on D every second that he played. His jumper was the same. Williams is intresting for the SpursYou should stop by and say hello next time.

rayray2k8
04-07-2009, 10:30 PM
Haven't seen anything on the kid, but I hope the spurs don't cut Hairston...
Ah crap I forgot, the FO does the opposite of what we want them to do.. :|
we're screwed.

tav1
04-07-2009, 10:30 PM
RU says yes.

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2009/4/7/826465/marcus-williams-called-up-to-san

I initially heard from Scott, prior to his post. He heard it from a few reliable people prior to the game. I'd be surprised if he was given a bum steer. And, of course, it was announced for all to hear during the Futurecast.

ChumpDumper
04-07-2009, 10:35 PM
I think it's a push, but I'd probably go with Hairston for his defensive ceiling. The wing is much more pressing priority than a 3rd point, imo. Williams was a revelation last week, though. If the Spurs could find a way to get them both in camp next season, they are the wiser for it.

Lost in this is that DeMarcus Williams would make a pretty decent Vaughn replacement too. He's looked solid. His measurements are basically Hill's...but and his 3 point stroke is much better than I expected. I just point this out because I think we're starting to see low hanging fruit on the branches of the Toros tree.I agree with the both sentiments. I really want the entire starting lineup of the Toros (Nelson/Hairston/Williams/Dawson/Jones) in the Spurs' summer leagues.

tav1
04-07-2009, 10:37 PM
I agree with the both sentiments. I really want the entire starting lineup of the Toros (Nelson/Hairston/Williams/Dawson/Jones) in the Spurs' summer leagues.

True. And there's a sentiment I agree with.

ducks
04-07-2009, 10:38 PM
I wonder if hill now is trade bait if williams backup point guard

jdaveah
04-07-2009, 10:39 PM
I watched every single game of Marcus' college career and most games in his first year in the D league. If he has improved to a level that he can contribute to an NBA team, much less the Spurs, then he has undergone quite a dramatic transformation. Not impossible, but not what I would have predicted knowing him.

As of a year ago, he had little to no shooting ability outside 15 feet, lacked court vision, had a poor attitude, and didn't exert a huge amount of effort on defense. He's got some talent but never worked hard enough to realize alot of it and coasted frequently, especially while at Arizona.

It's possible his advocates here are correct since it's been about a year since I gave up on him, but it would be a dramatic turn of events. I've still got his red Arizona #3 hanging in my closet. I'd love a reason to not be ashamed of owning it.

tav1
04-07-2009, 10:39 PM
I wonder if hill now is trade bait if williams backup point guard

No, I think Pop dreams about Hill developing a corner 3.

VI_Massive
04-07-2009, 10:42 PM
any reason to believe this wasn't a keeper signing?

tav1
04-07-2009, 10:42 PM
I agree with the both sentiments. I really want the entire starting lineup of the Toros (Nelson/Hairston/Williams/Dawson/Jones) in the Spurs' summer leagues.

Add in George Hill, James Gist, Ian Mahinmi and a draft pick or two and that is a fabulous summer league squad.

tav1
04-07-2009, 10:43 PM
any reason to believe this wasn't a keeper signing?

what do you mean?

VI_Massive
04-07-2009, 10:45 PM
I agree with the both sentiments. I really want the entire starting lineup of the Toros (Nelson/Hairston/Williams/Dawson/Jones) in the Spurs' summer leagues.

Couldn't agree more -- with the D-League guys, Ian, Gist, et al in camp, some decent players have to come from that competition, right? Of course if they make the team they'll just have their fragile young basketball psyches destroyed by "one of the best coaches in the league".

(and he is, of course)

VI_Massive
04-07-2009, 10:45 PM
Regarding the move, it's obviously a move to keep his rights over the summer. The Spurs aren't going to call him up and put him in the rotation. I haven't seen him play in a while so I can't really comment on how smart it is to ensure his rights.

I hope that the cut isn't Hairston. I know his outside shot needs work but the rest of his game looks solid. I'd much rather the Spurs keep Hairston in the fold than Williams.

tav1
04-07-2009, 10:48 PM
I think I understand your question. I think TimVP is dead on. This is not a move anyone would expect to see mean anything before summer. If it did, we'd all be shocked.

underdawg
04-07-2009, 11:05 PM
I agree with the both sentiments. I really want the entire starting lineup of the Toros (Nelson/Hairston/Williams/Dawson/Jones) in the Spurs' summer leagues.

Nelson's putting up pretty good numbers - what's your assessment (other than wanting him to be in the SL?)

timvp
04-07-2009, 11:10 PM
I saw Nelson with the Warriors in preseason and early in the regular season. He even started at point guard in about six or eight games I saw. And while he seems to have some good tools, he looked a long, long ways away from being able to play point guard on the NBA level. Compared to Nelson, CJ Watson looked like John Stockton.

But then again, Nelson played shooting guard in college and an undrafted rookie can't be expected to not only start right away but play a new position. IIRC, he had some very nice stat lines during preseason so that is an indicator that he's at least a prospect worth watching.

EricB
04-07-2009, 11:20 PM
This is one of the more interesting developments, and it seems two lines are getting crossed info wise.

I don't like letting go Hairston for Williams, but if its Vaughn or Oberto, then IMO its a solid move worth looking at.

completely deck
04-07-2009, 11:26 PM
An article states an injury exception, I'm assuming because of Manu. If I can put two and two together, am I correct in assuming that we can have Williams signed (even if he's on the bench, but dressed), in place of Manu since he's gone?

EricB
04-07-2009, 11:46 PM
That article IMO has to be wrong.

SouthTexasRancher
04-07-2009, 11:48 PM
I wonder if hill now is trade bait if williams backup point guard

Pop loves Hill's defensive aggressiveness and his athleticism. I'd be very surprised if Pop tried to trade Hill. The NBA has trended towards quicker point guards and Hill is built to take them on. He just needs more time with the coaching staff over the summer to eliminate the rookie mistakes that drive Pop crazy.

Manufan909
04-07-2009, 11:55 PM
Pop loves Hill's defensive aggressiveness and his athleticism. I'd be very surprised if Pop tried to trade Hill. The NBA has trended towards quicker point guards and Hill is built to take them on. He just needs more time with the coaching staff over the summer to eliminate the rookie mistakes that drive Pop crazy.

What mistakes was he making before Mason took over at backup PG?

And directed at no one, how could they be so bad he went to JV, who can't shoot better, run faster, jump higher, get to the rim more effectively, play better D, get in a third the blocks/points Hill does? Oh wait, he brings stability.:bang

SouthTexasRancher
04-08-2009, 12:07 AM
What mistakes was he making before Mason took over at backup PG? :bang

So sorry, my bad. I forgot that Hill was the Ultimate and Perfect, mistake free Rookie. The most perfect Rookie to ever play in the NBA. The Rookie who is now teaching Pop all about how basketball should be played in the NBA. The same Rookie who is playing 48 minutes a night without nary a breather from the likes of Parker and Mason. The Rookie who apparently Manufan909 thinks will be a unanimous pick as ROOKIE OF THE YEAR and will become Pop's replacement as the Spurs Head Coach next season so he can then teach all the incoming Rookies how to play Totally MISTAKE Free basketball.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh...!

rayray2k8
04-08-2009, 01:57 AM
I heard they might recall Hairston instead.
Any updates?

dbestpro
04-08-2009, 08:24 AM
Sign Cassell and cut Vaughn then call iit a day.

mountainballer
04-08-2009, 09:12 AM
I hope that the cut isn't Hairston. I know his outside shot needs work but the rest of his game looks solid. I'd much rather the Spurs keep Hairston in the fold than Williams.

agree.
what seperates Malik from Marcus is his NBA body and athleticism. this doesn't mean that Marcus won't be in the NBA one day, but at this point he will be eaten alive.
Malik is a bit short for the prototypical wing, but he's strong, is a huge leaper and he's faster than he looks at first sight. I have no doubt he will develop his skills and become a legit NBA player. but I do have my doubts that Marcus will ever put on the needed bulk and his skills are not that great that he could become a player like Rip Hamilton.

Big P
04-08-2009, 09:53 AM
How can we have already signed him if we have not released anybody?

Mel_13
04-08-2009, 10:02 AM
How can we have already signed him if we have not released anybody?


We haven't. The only report of his signing is from a D-League blog. His source may have been the same Toro broadcast that Bruno reported. If he is to be signed, the announcement will be in connection with the waiver of one of the 15 players currently under contract.

Marcus Bryant
04-08-2009, 10:10 AM
Well F'in sign him already. Unless that entails waiving Ian.

kobyz
04-08-2009, 10:25 AM
does he eligible to play in the playoffs?

BUMP
04-08-2009, 10:26 AM
yeah just like the Spurs would sign, Kidd, Carter, Rasheed

get real not happening

Manufan909
04-08-2009, 10:33 AM
So sorry, my bad. I forgot that Hill was the Ultimate and Perfect, mistake free Rookie. The most perfect Rookie to ever play in the NBA. The Rookie who is now teaching Pop all about how basketball should be played in the NBA. The same Rookie who is playing 48 minutes a night without nary a breather from the likes of Parker and Mason. The Rookie who apparently Manufan909 thinks will be a unanimous pick as ROOKIE OF THE YEAR and will become Pop's replacement as the Spurs Head Coach next season so he can then teach all the incoming Rookies how to play Totally MISTAKE Free basketball.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh...!

Ha, asshole. It was more of a rhetorical "why Pop why!?" post, but whatevz I bet I worded it wrong. Since you took it personally, let me ask you; what was it exactly about Hill's game/attitude/effort/learning curve/etc that caused Pop to relegate him to defensive stopper, then mister 4th quarter, and now backup to JV?

Let me be clear, I'm neither in Senors "Hills growth is being stunted, confidence destroyed" , nor Kace's "he's a rook, so Pop wanted no pressure on him to end his first NBA season" group of thinking. I am somewhere in between. I do believe his development is somewhat being halted, and that maybe Pop doesn't want to risk anything by playing him in pressure situations. I am more in line with the term coined on ST, Phenophobia. I wish Pop wuld take the TP approach to Hill, instead of not playing him so he doesn't fail, because he also won't learn thru experience. He'll just see his coach playing an SG and a way, WAY over the hill vet instead of him to end the season, when he did so well for a majority of it.

I doubt Hill is so confident that he knows he is a better PG than both, but i know it's obvious to him he can finish better than both combined, pass as well as either, can drive and dish as well or better, defend much better than both, rebound better than both combined, and bring more athleticism, and youth than both combined x5.

At least JV is out of the rotation, but Hill should get one last chance to run the 2nd unit, especially now that there will be no star SGs to defer to, and he can play alongside one or both of Gooden/Bowen. I get that Ime provides something unique, but instead of him getting 27 mins, how about if Pop gave Ime 15, Hill 15, and let Mason stay at SG? Or just give Hill only backup PG minutes, which should only be around 8-20. I'd want his minimum minutes to be higher, but I'll take what I can get.

And I know Pop is a great coach, but he isn't perfect in every way. Keep in mind he could possibly be wrong about how he has handled Hill for the last several weeks.

:flag:

HiLouis!
04-08-2009, 10:34 AM
Kidd



Thank God.


:toast

mrspurs
04-08-2009, 11:19 AM
This is for all you Toro fans......Yet another...............Scrub thread. Toros=Mickey Mouse league They couldnt beat some of kill bills teams. Even if they tried and cried.

Spursfan092120
04-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Marcus didn't play last night...I think it's in the works.

Big P
04-08-2009, 11:36 AM
We haven't. The only report of his signing is from a D-League blog. His source may have been the same Toro broadcast that Bruno reported. If he is to be signed, the announcement will be in connection with the waiver of one of the 15 players currently under contract.

:toast

ChumpDumper
04-08-2009, 11:48 AM
This is for all you Toro fans......Yet another...............Scrub thread. Toros=Mickey Mouse league They couldnt beat some of kill bills teams. Even if they tried and cried.
Why are you here then, you fatuous idiot?

Libri
04-08-2009, 11:56 AM
ChumpDumper,

How does Williams' jump shot look? Has he been working with Chip?

poop
04-08-2009, 11:58 AM
if we call up this guy and not malik it would be quite the snub to malik, no?

Spursfan092120
04-08-2009, 11:58 AM
Isn't he a guy who likes to penetrate to the basket? That would definitely help us....

Spursfan092120
04-08-2009, 11:58 AM
if we call up this guy and not malik it would be quite the snub to malik, no?
no.

Bartleby
04-08-2009, 12:04 PM
if we call up this guy and not malik it would be quite the snub to malik, no?

Malik had his chance and they told him he needs to work on his jump shot (which was pretty obvious in the minutes he played on the Spurs).

I don't see that as a snub.

Hopefully he has a strong work ethic and will be able to crack the rotation next year.

ploto
04-08-2009, 12:08 PM
Technically, injury exceptions are granted for players who will be out the remainder of the season, but with only a handful of regular season games left, I just don't see that being approved. The Rockets don't even have one for TMac, IIRC.

ChumpDumper
04-08-2009, 12:14 PM
ChumpDumper,

How does Williams' jump shot look? Has he been working with Chip?I can't say it is any more reliable these days than in the past.

ChumpDumper
04-08-2009, 12:16 PM
Isn't he a guy who likes to penetrate to the basket? That would definitely help us....He likes it. I just don't think he should do it as much as he does -- but as I said, he's adding a little variety to his drives which has been an improvement.

Spursfan092120
04-08-2009, 12:32 PM
He likes it. I just don't think he should do it as much as he does -- but as I said, he's adding a little variety to his drives which has been an improvement.
Good...I think he'd be a good addition, considering we need more penetration to get some more open looks from outside.

benefactor
04-08-2009, 12:37 PM
This is for all you Toro fans......Yet another...............Scrub thread. Toros=Mickey Mouse league They couldnt beat some of kill bills teams. Even if they tried and cried.
Hey...where you been? How are Tony and Eva? You guys getting together for Easter?

timvp
04-08-2009, 03:41 PM
Technically, injury exceptions are granted for players who will be out the remainder of the seasonNo they're not. A lot of teams have players out for the season and no team that I know of has an injury exception. The rule used to be that you needed to have four players out for the season and then they'd grant you an extra spot on the injured list so that a team could field a complete 12-man roster.

I'm not sure what the official rule is now after the injured list was discontinued but I'm assuming something similar.

SenorSpur
04-08-2009, 03:43 PM
ESPN 1250's Chris Duel just reported that it's official, Spurs sign Marcus Williams.

Looking for a link, but nothing on the Spurs home page or ESPN 1250 home page yet.

urunobili
04-08-2009, 03:45 PM
god i'm more interested in knowing who was let go...

duncan228
04-08-2009, 03:47 PM
Game chat: Spurs sign Williams, waive Hairston (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/spursworld/2009/04/game-chat-spurs-sign-williams.html)
By Joe Alexander

The Spurs play the Portland Trail Blazers today at 6 p.m. (note start time) at the AT&T Center. Join Jeff McDonald and Mike Monroe of the Express-News for a live game chat beginning at 5:30 p.m.

The Spurs signed guard Marcus Williams this afternoon. To make room on the roster, the waived Malik Hairston.

Williams was picked 33rd overall by the Spurs in the 2007 draft. He played one game with the Spurs during the 2007-08 season.

Williams played for the Austin Toros this season, averaging 23.0 points in 45 games.

Hairston played in 15 games for the Spurs this season. He averaged 3.3 points and 1.9 rebounds.

LakerHater
04-08-2009, 03:47 PM
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/spurs_sign_marcus_williams_090408.html

timvp
04-08-2009, 03:48 PM
Game chat: Spurs sign Williams, waive Hairston (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/spursworld/2009/04/game-chat-spurs-sign-williams.html)
By Joe Alexander

The Spurs play the Portland Trail Blazers today at 6 p.m. (note start time) at the AT&T Center. Join Jeff McDonald and Mike Monroe of the Express-News for a live game chat beginning at 5:30 p.m.

The Spurs signed guard Marcus Williams this afternoon. To make room on the roster, the waived Malik Hairston.

Williams was picked 33rd overall by the Spurs in the 2007 draft. He played one game with the Spurs during the 2007-08 season.

Williams played for the Austin Toros this season, averaging 23.0 points in 45 games.

Hairston played in 15 games for the Spurs this season. He averaged 3.3 points and 1.9 rebounds.

:pctoss :pctoss

SenorSpur
04-08-2009, 03:49 PM
Game chat: Spurs sign Williams, waive Hairston (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/spursworld/2009/04/game-chat-spurs-sign-williams.html)
By Joe Alexander

The Spurs play the Portland Trail Blazers today at 6 p.m. (note start time) at the AT&T Center. Join Jeff McDonald and Mike Monroe of the Express-News for a live game chat beginning at 5:30 p.m.

The Spurs signed guard Marcus Williams this afternoon. To make room on the roster, the waived Malik Hairston.

Williams was picked 33rd overall by the Spurs in the 2007 draft. He played one game with the Spurs during the 2007-08 season.

Williams played for the Austin Toros this season, averaging 23.0 points in 45 games.

Hairston played in 15 games for the Spurs this season. He averaged 3.3 points and 1.9 rebounds.

228, you always come through in a pinch. Thanks for posting.

Terrible news about Hairston. I don't understand it.

For those watchers of Toros, does this make sense? Does Williams provide something more than Hairston, at this point in the season? Or is this a move for the summer? Very confusing.

SenorSpur
04-08-2009, 03:50 PM
Game chat: Spurs sign Williams, waive Hairston (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/spursworld/2009/04/game-chat-spurs-sign-williams.html)
By Joe Alexander

The Spurs play the Portland Trail Blazers today at 6 p.m. (note start time) at the AT&T Center. Join Jeff McDonald and Mike Monroe of the Express-News for a live game chat beginning at 5:30 p.m.

The Spurs signed guard Marcus Williams this afternoon. To make room on the roster, the waived Malik Hairston.

Williams was picked 33rd overall by the Spurs in the 2007 draft. He played one game with the Spurs during the 2007-08 season.

Williams played for the Austin Toros this season, averaging 23.0 points in 45 games.

Hairston played in 15 games for the Spurs this season. He averaged 3.3 points and 1.9 rebounds.

228, you always come through in a pinch. Thanks for posting.

Terrible news about Hairston. I don't understand it.

For those watchers of Toros, does this make sense? Does Williams provide something more potential than Hairston? At this point in the season, what's the point in making this move? Or is this a move for the summer? Very confusing.

lebomb
04-08-2009, 03:50 PM
Spurs Sign Marcus Williams

SAN ANTONIO – The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have signed guard a href="/playerfile/marcus_williams/index.html">Marcus Williams. Per team policy terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Williams was an All-League First Team Selection this season with the Austin Toros, the Spurs affiliate in the NBA Development League. In 45 games with the Toros, Williams averaged 23.0 points, 7.0 rebounds and 5.3 assists. He was named the D-League Performer of the Week for the week of 3/30 after averaging a triple-double with 27.5 points, 10.5 rebounds and 11.5 assists in three games.

Williams, who is in his second year, appeared in 11 NBA games last season (10 with the L.A. Clippers and one with San Antonio) where he averaged 0.9 points and 1.1 rebounds in 3.3 minutes. He also spent 36 games with the Toros where he averaged 19.2 points, 6.9 rebounds and 3.1 assists. Williams was drafted by San Antonio with the 33rd overall pick in the 2007 NBA Draft.

The 22-year-old Williams was an early entry candidate for the 2007 NBA Draft. He played two years at the University of Arizona, earning First Team All-Pac-10 honors after averaging 16.6 points and 6.7 rebounds as a sophomore.

At the same time, the Spurs announced that they have waived guard/forward Malik Hairston.


Not bad.........I know this wasnt in the NBA, but its still pretty damned good.

Brazil
04-08-2009, 03:50 PM
They waived Malik... hum

Spurs Brazil
04-08-2009, 03:59 PM
I hope no team sign Malik in the next week so we can bring him back for the Summer Team