You lying bastards...

[Duff McCartney]

Give me a break Raf and McGwire. Everybody knows you took steroids...just stop lying.

Only ones I don't believe took steroids are Sammy and Frank Thomas....and Schilling of course. But the rest of them...you lying pieces of crap.

[samikeyp]

I guess I am not everybody because I don't know if they took steriods. I can theorize about McGwire but never suspected about Palmeiro. Never looked close enough.

[MannyIsGod]

They juiced. I believe it.

[samikeyp]

Yes but do you know 100% for sure or are you just of the opinion that they juiced? Personally I am of the opinion that McGwire did.

[maxpower]

i'm about as sure as i think OJ did it.

[samikeyp]

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/mlb/2005/0203/photo/w_ssosa_m.jpg

"No weezing the joooooose!" :lol

[TheWriter]

Ain't nothing wrong with drinking juice. Except for HI-C. That crap sucks.

Juice is good!

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, I'm about OJ level sure they did it.

[samikeyp]

so then you were there when Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman were killed. Why didn't you say anything! Let a brother go through all that! :smokin

[JackLalanne]

Ain't nothing wrong with drinking juice. Except for HI-C. That crap sucks.

Juice is good!

http://www.shareguide.com/images/LaLanne.jpg
"I totally agree!"

[samikeyp]

You know...if OJ would have excercised more...he wouldn't have been so angry.

[Spurminator]

How can you conclude that Palmiero took steroids but not Sosa?

[samikeyp]

Duff hates Cubans and white people. :lol

[maxpower]

McGwire is sounding like an asshat.

[tlongII]

Sammy is a liar.

[maxpower]

some of those guys could not give a direct answer to save their lives.

[ZStomp]

Who cares about baseball?!?!?!

:lol :lmao

[GoldToe]

I like baseball.

[ZStomp]

I like baseball.


I'm sorry.

:elephant

:spin

:hat

[ALVAREZ6]

Who cares about baseball?!?!?!

:lol :lmao
No one.

[ZStomp]

i've never been into baseball....maybe one season..barely...

after all this BS about steroids....

forget it.

I'm glad I wasn't a fan. The sport has just been .....violated. For lack of a better word.

[T Park]

Duff,

you got evidence that Rafael did?? He doesn't look like it.

Mcgwire, yeah he probobly did.

Sosa didn't??? Yeah he just got big like Mcgwire overnight using pepsi.

Schilling obviously not.


IMO, the government has other shit theys hould be worried about than shit like this.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Could somebody just set fire to Donald Fehr, PLEASE!?!

[MannyIsGod]

I stoped watching this crap earlier, but Big Mac is an ass as far as I'm concerened. As is Jose Canseco. Sammy, I'm still out on. Raffy seemed to be legit, but I'm not giving him that much cred yet. Curt Shilling is shrewd, but I don't think he juiced.

But, I don't think congress should be involved. Not one damn bit while there are far more important issues at hand. I hate them hiding behind a veil of "we care about the kids" when this is one of the dumbest ways to try and help children.

Save the bullshit lies for people that buy them, like the general American public.

[T Park]

is an ass

I wouldn't go that far.

He did quite a bit of wonderful things for kids and other things as a player.

If he did steroids?? Yeah thats bad.

But does that make him a horrible person??

Sigh, I dont know, I just can't say that I think hes horrible.


I do agree 100% that the freakin congress has better shit to do.

Like eliminate the goddamn gas tax.

[MannyIsGod]

No, they need to raise that tax.

But yes, Mark McGuire is an ass.

[AlamoSpursFan]

No, they need to raise that tax.


Don't worry Manny. They ARE.

[T Park]

they need to raise that tax.

you do realize that the tax is putting business out of business right???

Man of the people no doubt.


Come out this summer when I have to pay 3 dollars a gallon.

But, once again your a great business man.

[timvp]

Curt Schilling probably did more steroids that the rest of the panel combined. Pitchers were a huge segment of the steroid population in baseball. It's a widely known fact that if you juice up the day you are to pitch, the next morning you have far less pain in your arm and a lot less swelling.

Schilling, especially on those days that he was expected to pitch on three days rest in the playoffs, juiced up like a mofo. You can even see it in his facial structure. The easiest way to tell if someone is on steroids is to look at their neck and see if it is abnormally thick. Schilling's neck is like two feet wide.

Also look at his stats. The most strikeouts he had before 1997 was 187. Then in 1997 at the age of 30, he strikes out 319 batters. Unless you believe in the magic pitching fairy, there's another reason why he went from injured pitcher with a lot of potential to superstar after the age of 30.

[T Park]

I disagree.

[timvp]

:lol

Would you like to explain your side?

[T Park]

No becuase whenever I do, i get laughed at, corrected, get told "are you an idiot?"

No, Ill just say I disagree, end of statement.

[timvp]

Okaaaaaaaaay.

:shootme

[T Park]

Am I right? Isn't that what always happens??


One side I would disagree with, is Schilling has been a huge opponent of Steroids for a long time.

[MannyIsGod]

TPark, that's because you never express your thoughts in something more than 3 sentences. And that's not making fun you, that's the truth.

Take time to write something that explains what you think and why.

Oh, and I'm going to let the gas tax stuff go in this thread, but if you want to start a thread in the poltics forum, it's on.

[T Park]

No problem, you feel your way, I feel mine.

I own a business that needs to use gasoline and diesel, and the taxes kill me everytime.

If you put yourself in my shoes youd understand.





Schilling?? I just honestly dont know, I mean, I dont think so, hes been such a huge opponent of steroids, the whole article in 02 in SI about steroids and how he was describing about guys, saying how bad it was blah blah blah.

Other than a sell out POS like Canseco, I dont know of anyone that would admit to other people doing, that was ON steroids.


I dont believe Schilling or Palmerio were.

I think Ivan Rodriguez was, I think Sosa was, I think McGwire was, I think Barry Bonds is as well.

I think you could look at some relievers today and yesterday and point out how they used it.

All in all its sickening, and I hope the focus returns on THE GAME and not steroids.


I guess Im ignorant and want to put my head in the sand, I just cant wait for baseball, its something me and my grandfather and father have shared and its a special game to me.


flame on.