Anyone who says Deron Williams is better than Tony...

[Spursfan092120]

Is just fooling themselves. Dude is a beast...Best PG in the league right now..period...if you don't know, you better ask somebody.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd say he's the 2nd best PG, slightly over Williams..

[Spursfan092120]

I'd say he's the 2nd best PG, slightly over Williams..
Right now though, man..no way CP3 is playing better than Tony right now.

[Spursfan092120]

Williams is better, sorry....
refer to first post

[Udokafan05]

When i read the thread title i thought for sure sequ started it

[Creation88]

kid is sick

[coldsweat]

definitely the best scorer of the three, and that's what's often the most important.

[spursfaninla]

paul with 42, 7 and 9....that is pretty good. Parker had afew games like that.


Hornets look TERRIBLE now. What happened to chandler? Posey is looking bad, and Paul and West have to carry the team.

[peskypesky]

I'd say Parker and Deron are about equal. Parker is faster and better scorer. Deron is a better passer.

CP3 is the best PG in the league, even though I think he's a prick.

[anonoftheinternets]

I'd say Parker and Deron are about equal. Parker is faster and better scorer. Deron is a better passer.

CP3 is the best PG in the league, even though I think he's a prick.

cp3 sucks ass on defense, all he does is camp in the passing lanes, one on one hes a joke. I wonder why he gets a free pass on that. :rolleyes

Dwills D is awesome, TP a close second.

So overall the race is very close between these three, but most of the clowns are content to say Cp3 1, dwill 2 , tp9 3, without even watchin games, and watchin only sportscenter highlights.

[ducks]

what I have a problem with and so does pop
the media mentions cp3 and williams and leaves out tp

[anonoftheinternets]

what I have a problem with and so does pop
the media mentions cp3 and williams and leaves out tp

media is a bitch, and then they gave some lame ass excuse saying, its coz tp has been in the league longer and so they expect him to be great. But these are young and upcoming, so they are given more exposure. :rolleyes tp is 26 and in his priime. Its jus that bspn doesnt highlight the spurs, end of story.

[peskypesky]

what I have a problem with and so does pop
the media mentions cp3 and williams and leaves out tp

who's on the cover of NBA Live 09?

nuff said

[SequSpur]

Anyone who says Deron Williams is better than Tony... can suck on my balls.

[crc21209]

paul with 42, 7 and 9....that is pretty good. Parker had afew games like that.


Hornets look TERRIBLE now. What happened to chandler? Posey is looking bad, and Paul and West have to carry the team.

Paul with 42, 7, and 9...IN A LOSS. That's all you need to know. Usually when TP scores more than 30..we win. But of course the media always hypes CP3, D-Will...hell even Steve Nash over TP, which is stupid. But oh well, Tony will keep doing his thing. :flag:

[HarlemHeat37]

the media is irrelevant..

Duncan was at worst a top 2 player in the NBA from '99 until 2005, and a top 4 player in 2006 and 2007..but obviously all we heard from the media was Shaq(deserved), Kobe, Iverson, Vince, McGrady..nobody talked about Tim..

Tony seems to get the same lack of attention from the media..it's all about Paul, and sometimes Deron..the finals MVP is often forgotten..

[crc21209]

the media is irrelevant..

Duncan was at worst a top 2 player in the NBA from '99 until 2005, and a top 4 player in 2006 and 2007..but obviously all we heard from the media was Shaq(deserved), Kobe, Iverson, Vince, McGrady..nobody talked about Tim..

Tony seems to get the same lack of attention from the media..it's all about Paul, and sometimes Deron..the finals MVP is often forgotten..

Chris Paul and Deron Williams...2 guys who havent achieved anything in their careers yet. TP has been an all-star, 3-time champion, and Finals MVP. Yet, no love. :ihit

[TheSpursFNRule]

LMAO Posey gets paid 25 million over the next 4 years. How bad is the hornets FO.

[stéphane]

This lack of exposure partly helped in his development. Hope it stays that way with the media.

[holcs50]

I say TP strictly based on skills is 2. Accomplishments obviously there's no comparison. But id go
1-cp3 ( i really almost hate him, hes such a faker-kind of like kobe-he acts one way to the media in interviews and stuff, but he's totally not like that....kids a punk. Still remember in college when he purposely hit that guy on duke in the nuts-such a bitch. And just watch his facial expressions, hes a whiny attitude filled whore.ha
2-Parker
3-williams

[Muser]

Tony > DWill

[Spursmania]

LMAO Posey gets paid 25 million over the next 4 years. How bad is the hornets FO.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Rogue]

Is just fooling themselves. Dude is a beast...Best PG in the league right now..period...if you don't know, you better ask somebody.
actually today's Deron is not as great as Tony Longoria but the time will change that gradually. Tony Longoria is gonna lose his quickness and his speed year by year as the time elapse, while the prime is right approaching towards Deron who is much younger than Tony Longoria.

Deron's style of playing games also makes him more insensitive to age than Tony Longoria. those speed-first guards always lose their abilities very quickly after they get across 33, but Deron uses his strength much more that his speed. so Deron will have a longer prime than Tony Longoria's, the skills won't be affacted much by age though.

[Lady M]

TP Born: 17 mai 1982
Deron Born: 26 juin 1984
what a difference

[kace]

the ranking of the PG should be one of the most interesting thing since everyone keep trying it.

they have one ranking in yahoo sport:
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=12904588&ch=244098&src=sports

amazing how they almost ignore tony. they put him at 3, because obviously, the way he's playing right now, they can't pass on him, but almost don't talk about him.

Kenny Smith got 1.CP3 2.D-Will 3 TP 4. Billups 5. Kidd but for him, it's a two men race between CP3 and D-Will.

Hope he saw the game yesterday. and when i saw Stern MVP ballots having Billups at 5 :downspin:

i really don't like ranking because this is always too much simplistic. but hearing Smith saying that TP doesn't belong in the same category than CP3 and D-Will because he's not good enough defensively is just BS.

Billups and Kidd are good defensive PG. Tony in PO is more than decent. and he for sure has nothing to envy to CP3 and D-Will in this area. CP3 is a gambler and D-Will, despite his strenght, isn't so good.

i would say, considering these 5 PG:

scoring: 1/TP 2/CP3 3/D-Will 4/Billups 5/Kidd

Passing skills: 1.Kidd 2.CP3 3.D-Will 4.Billups and TP

Overall offensive impact : 1.CP3 2.TP 3.D-Will 4. Billups and Kidd

Defense: 1. Billups and Kidd 3. TP, CP3 and D-Will

Clutch: 1. TP and Billups 3. CP3 4. D-Will 5. Kidd

[Rogue]

TP Born: 17 mai 1982
Deron Born: 26 juin 1984
what a difference
the age isn't a big issue in fact. I mean Tony Longoria will be more sensitive to age than Deron is. stronger PGs always play much better than the other contemporary PGs who are not as stronge as them. for a speed-first PGs, 3 quarters of his athletism is formed by speed which is always most affacted by his age. for example, Jason Kidd is still the best the PG in NBA ( 2nd best player oval), while Steve Nash has already quitted the range of superstars.

[kace]

TP Born: 17 mai 1982
Deron Born: 26 juin 1984
what a difference

TP: 3 titles and a finals MVP
Deron: nothing

The point of this game is to win with your team, i believe. not to be in the columnist NBA PG TOP 2.

[Rogue]

TP: 3 titles and a finals MVP
Deron: nothing

The point of this game is to win with your team, i believe. not to be in the columnist NBA PG TOP 2.
it would have been reversed if Deron were a boy in blue.

[kace]

the age isn't a big issue in fact. I mean Tony Longoria will be more sensitive to age than Deron is. stronger PGs always play much better than the other contemporary PGs who are not as stronge as them. for a speed-first PGs, 3 quarters of his athletism is formed by speed which is always most affacted by his age. for example, Jason Kidd is still the best the PG in NBA ( 2nd best player oval), while Steve Nash has already quitted the range of superstars.

very bad example i think. Nash was made by D'Antony system, and he floorished rather late in his career, obviously after his physical prime.

[SenorSpur]

I didn't realize TP gave D-Will such fits.

[kace]

it would have been reversed if Deron were a boy in blue.

no more IF. we'll never know. but TP was able to win titles being a major player of his team. D-Will and CP3 not yet. and that's a fact.

PS: i hope i've understood well, because i don't see what means "boy in blue" in your post, but i assume you talk about reverse position between TP and D-Will respective team's.

[will_spurs]

Deron Williams on Tony Parker: "I don't think anybody in this league could stop him one-on-one."

[jack sommerset]

:lmao loves the homer threads! What a delusional world some of you Spew fans live in!

[Rogue]

:lmao loves the homer threads! What a delusional world some of you Spew fans live in!
there is something called "second round" in the world of los spurs. enjoy your own world and your virginity for the second round you pathetic rockets fan. :toast

[jack sommerset]

there is something called "second round" in the world of los spurs. enjoy your own world and your virginity for the second round you pathetic rockets fan. :toast

not a rocket fan or a virgin. stupid,stupid person

[will_spurs]

not a rocket fan

That's why it says "Team: Houston Rockets" in your profile?

Anyway I wish the Spurs would meet Utah in the first round. D-Will needs a bit more "exposure".

[galvatron3000]

Deron everytime especially at this stage of Duncan's career. The team would thrive with a pg that got everyone involve more. I love tony but his stength is speed and scoring, Deron can score but he make guys better by getting them the ball at key spots on the floor and running the offense, Tony does it by getting to the rim, being a scoring threat

[jack sommerset]

That's why it says "Team: Houston Rockets" in your profile?

Anyway I wish the Spurs would meet Utah in the first round. D-Will needs a bit more "exposure".

u have no choice but to pick a team here. take it up with admin.

[Mike Smrek]

:lmao loves the homer threads! What a delusional world some of you Spew fans live in!

Ain't that the truth. Tony is a fantastic scorer, Chris Paul and Deron Williams are fantastic point guards -- there's a world of difference between the two distinctions. Plus, for everybody crowing about all Parker has accomplished compared to those two, they weren't fortunate enough to play next to Tim Duncan for nearly a decade. I'd say that's had an impact on Parker's resume.

[Fundamentalist]

As of the moment, Tony is the better one among the two. Tony somewhat carries the Spurs now that Tim is playing on one leg and Manu is out. Deron can't do the same with the Jazz.

[will_spurs]

u have no choice but to pick a team here. take it up with admin.

Well, if you're not supporting any NBA team, what are you doing here? Seriously.

[jack sommerset]

Seriously I am not 10 anymore. I like Basketball

[kace]

TP has been playing with Mr Timothy Freaking Duncan and a dude called Manu Freaking Ginobili...DW has been playing with........ with...... no fucking body..... get it homer, your boy is good but this is a TEAM sport.. again TEAM sport ... you frenchie homers are kind of slow.

:toast

Tony was a major player in those titles. there are some players for whom you could say that the titles they got was just being at the right place at the right time.

but when you're one of the go-to players of a team who win a title, that means a thing.

Stats don't tell the whole thing. and yes, tony was lucky to have Tim on his side.

but Tim would have been nowhere alone, especially in 2005 and 2007.

The point of this game is to win games and titles. not to be well ranked into some lame TOP 5 or TOP 3 or Top whatever.

this american obsession to rank players and things related to sport is weird and useless.

[Mike Smrek]

We like to rank things, you guys like to go days between showers. We all have our quirks.

[kace]

We like to rank things, you guys like to go days between showers. We all have our quirks.

indeed i think this obsession for ranking has the same cause that the one who made you bring this lame hackneyed joke : over-simplification.

it's too hard for you to make an original and funny joke, so you bring some old lame cliché who's supposed to make you look smart and funny. but you're still a redneck.

same thing with ranking. Understanding that stats aren't everything and don't tell the whole thing. Understanding that a player can flourish somewhere but wouldn't succeed elsewhere in a different system, whatever his talent. all these things are too difficult.

so, you want a clear and easy ranking. this way, you know who is the n°1, 2, 3 etc etc......... Mass medias have a bright future.

[Mike Smrek]

Almost as cliched as assuming somebody's a redneck because he's an American cracking a joke about a Frenchman. I've actually been to France -- dad was in the Air Force, stationed at RAF Greenham Common in southern England from 1987-90 -- and although the stereotypes regarding hygiene and courtesy definitely exist for a reason, I thought it was awesome. I'd go back in a heartbeat.

Otherwise I find it amusing that, despite dismissing rankings as weird and useless, you're the only one in this thread who has actually taken the time to do so in any depth. If that's how you really feel, why bother? (Back to the subject of cliches -- what could be more French than insulting something Americans like?)

Why should anyone consider being ranked third in the best league in the world at your respective position as being ignored? That's actually an indication of very high regard, especially considering one of those players, Chris Paul, is rapidly establishing himself on a historic level.

So with one of those slots off limits, he's either 2nd or 3rd. Kenny Smith put him at 3 behind a guy averaging 19 and 11. Big fucking deal.

Offensively, I think Smith is dead on. They all score about the same amount of points, but Paul and Williams are clearly better playmakers by a consider margin. Which baffles me, considering the ease with which Parker gets into the lane. But he's basically a shooting guard in this regard, as opposed to the very pure 1s that are Paul and Williams.

Defense is much harder to qualify considering its such a collective effort. But I've always thought Parker was one of San Antonio's weak links, and it's starting to show now that Bowen is done, Ginobili is in and out of the lineup and Duncan has lost a step. I just don't think he's anything more than adequate in terms of keeping his man in front of him.

I haven't seen nearly enough of Williams to make even a half-assed assessment in this regard. So I won't. Just watching him against the Lakers and whatever odd games I've seen over the years, he's no worse than average.

But Paul...I think you do him a huge disservice by discounting his impact as a mere "gambler." Kobe Bryant -- who as a Laker fan I think is vastly overrated as a defender -- is a gambler. Paul, on the other hand, is blessed with an incredible instinct and timing for for getting his hands on the ball, just like Jordan or, closer to home, Ginobili.

That can cause an incredible amount of havoc over the course of a game in terms of tipped balls and forcing the opposing point to pick up the ball earlier than he wants. Indeed, the Hornets nearly pulled off a huge comeback over L.A. earlier this year with Paul making a couple of huge steals down the stretch.

Paul's big weakness is that, like Parker, he's slight of build. Otherwise, I think he's better -- offensively, defensively or any other facet you want to come up with.

And for every playoff series where Tony's come up big, there's another where he didn't -- 03 Finals, 04 against the Lakers, 05 Finals. So I'm not going to give him a huge amount of credit for playing next to Tim Duncan. Plug Paul or Williams into any of those last three championship teams, and they're every bit as good, if not better.

[lefty]

1. Deron
2. TP
3. CP3

CP3 at 3, because he gets away with traveling............. A LOT

[Biernutz]

1. Tony
2. CP
3. Deron

Chris is a dirty player. Watch on Wed night how he grabs, throws elbows,etc. Tony is faster.

Deron threw a fist to Matt's face last night. He tries to out muscle you. Tony is faster and makes better cuts. Tony reads the floor better.

Tony needs to stay off the floor. Hitting the floor as much as he does is not good for his body.

[The Truth #6]

This thread is based on last night's game? They both put up solid numbers.

[Bukefal]

Williams better than tony?? lol :P