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RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 01:23 PM
By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and LARA JAKES, Associated Press Writers Elizabeth A. Kennedy And Lara Jakes, Associated Press Writers – 2 mins ago
MOMBASA, Kenya – An American ship captain was freed unharmed Sunday in a swift firefight that killed three of the four Somali pirates who had been holding him for days in a lifeboat off the coast of Africa, the ship's owner said.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said a pirate who had been involved in negotiations to free Capt. Richard Phillips but who was not on the lifeboat was in custody.

Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was safely transported to a Navy warship nearby.

Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart said in a news release that the U.S. government informed the company around 1:30 p.m. EDT Sunday that Phillips had been rescued. Reinhart said the company called Phillips' wife, Andrea, to tell her the news.

The U.S. official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. A Pentagon spokesman had no immediate comment.

When Phillips' crew heard the news aboard their ship in the port of Mombasa, they placed an American flag over the rail of the top of the Maersk Alabama and whistled and pumped their fists in the air. Crew fired a bright red flare into the sky from the ship.

A government official and others in Somalia with knowledge of the situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips' release had broken down.

Talks to free him began Thursday with the captain of the USS Bainbridge talking to the pirates under instruction from FBI hostage negotiators on board the U.S. destroyer. The pirates had threatened to kill Phillips if attacked.

Three U.S. warships were within easy reach of the lifeboat on Saturday. The U.S. Navy had assumed the pirates would try to get their hostage to shore, where they can hide him on Somalia's lawless soil and be in a stronger position to negotiate a ransom.

Maersk Line said before news of the rescue broke that "the U.S. Navy had sight contact" of Phillips — apparently when the pirates opened the hatches.

Before Phillips was freed, a pirate who said he was associated with the gang that held Phillips, Ahmed Mohamed Nur, told The Associated Press that the pirates had reported that "helicopters continue to fly over their heads in the daylight and in the night they are under the focus of a spotlight from a warship."

He spoke by satellite phone from Harardhere, a port and pirate stronghold where a fisherman said helicopters flew over the town Sunday morning and a warship was looming on the horizon. The fisherman, Abdi Sheikh Muse, said that could be an indication the lifeboat may be near to shore.

The district commissioner of the central Mudug region said talks went on all day Saturday, with clan elders from his area talking by satellite telephone and through a translator with Americans, but collapsed late Saturday night.

"The negotiations between the elders and American officials have broken down. The reason is American officials wanted to arrest the pirates in Puntland and elders refused the arrest of the pirates," said the commissioner, Abdi Aziz Aw Yusuf. He said he organized initial contacts between the elders and the Americans.

Two other Somalis, one involved in the negotiations and another in contact with the pirates, also said the talks collapsed because of the U.S. insistence that the pirates be arrested and brought to justice.

Phillips' crew of 19 American sailors reached safe harbor in Kenya's northeast port of Mombasa on Saturday night under guard of U.S. Navy Seals, exhilarated by their freedom but mourning the absence of Phillips.

Crew members said their ordeal had begun with the Somali pirates hauling themselves up from a small boat bobbing on the surface of the Indian Ocean far below.

As the pirates shot in the air, Phillips told his crew to lock themselves in a cabin and surrendered himself to safeguard his men, crew members said.

Phillips was then held hostage in an enclosed lifeboat that was closely watched by U.S. warships and a helicopter in an increasingly tense standoff. On Friday, the French navy freed a sailboat seized off Somalia last week by other pirates, but one of the five hostages was killed.

Phillips jumped out of the lifeboat Friday and tried to swim for his freedom but was recaptured when a pirate fired an automatic weapon at or near him, according to U.S. Defense Department officials speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk about the unfolding operations.

Early Saturday, the pirates holding Phillips in the lifeboat fired a few shots at a small U.S. Navy vessel that had approached, a U.S. military official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

The official said the U.S. sailors did not return fire, the Navy vessel turned away and no one was hurt. He said the vessel had not been attempting a rescue. The pirates are believed armed with pistols and AK-47 assault rifles.

"When I spoke to the crew, they won't consider it done when they board a plane and come home," Maersk President John Reinhart said from Norfolk, Virginia before news of Phillips' rescue. "They won't consider it done until the captain is back, nor will we."

In Phillips' hometown, the Rev. Charles Danielson of the St. Thomas Church said before the news broke that the congregation would continue to pray for Phillips and his family, who are members, and he would encourage "people to find hope in the triumph of good over evil."

Reinhart said he spoke with Phillips' wife, who is surrounded by family and two company employees who were sent to support her.

"She's a brave woman," Reinhart said. "And she has one favor to ask: 'Do what you have to do to bring Richard home safely.' That means don't make a mistake, folks. We have to be perfect in our execution."

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Jakes reported from Washington. Associated Press writers who contributed to this report include Mohamed Olad Hassan and Mohamed Sheikh Nor in Mogadishu, Somalia and Michelle Faul and Tom Maliti in Nairobi, Kenya.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 01:28 PM
http://www.bambazina.com/may-a1.jpg

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 01:29 PM
This shit has "made for TV movie" written all over it...

Hope the captain/crew get to share in the royalties.

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 01:32 PM
http://www.sondrak.com/archive/skpics2/one_big_varmint.jpg

heh, found this one in the "mess with the best, die like the rest" google search...

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 01:34 PM
didn't work. darn it.

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 01:37 PM
http://imknight.net/images/We_suck_more_sized.png

Strike
04-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Looks like piracy is being taken much more seriously now. About freaking time.

tlongII
04-12-2009, 01:44 PM
Big Ups to the US Navy! :tu

Strike
04-12-2009, 01:47 PM
Big Ups to the US Navy! :tu

Probably the smartest thing you've said in a long time.

BlackSwordsMan
04-12-2009, 01:56 PM
they missed one!
go back!

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 02:06 PM
they missed one!
go back!

Nah.

They just need to get old-school 1700's style on his ass.

They would stick pirates in metal cages and leave them there hanging from someplace visible and prominent to literally rot as a message to other pirates.

exstatic
04-12-2009, 02:07 PM
These freight companies need to get on board with that sonic defense system. A fucking Seabourne cruise ship drove off TWO boatloads of pirates a couple of weeks back. It's extremely targeted, and sounds like a bomb going off in your head, repeatedly. There's no toughing it out or fighting through it. You want it to stop and do anything to make it stop, which in this case, is turning away your boats and aborting the highjacking.

Coach Buzzcut
04-12-2009, 02:21 PM
I'm not crying! I got something in my eye!

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 02:26 PM
These freight companies need to get on board with that sonic defense system. A fucking Seabourne cruise ship drove off TWO boatloads of pirates a couple of weeks back. It's extremely targeted, and sounds like a bomb going off in your head, repeatedly. There's no toughing it out or fighting through it. You want it to stop and do anything to make it stop, which in this case, is turning away your boats and aborting the highjacking.

That only works if you see them coming.

Often the ship is stormed at night, in a quick raid.

Such a weapon system would not prevent such an attack.

One would need one or two of the systems per ship, have them constantly crewed by properly trained personel, with night vision goggles, etc.

Given the motivation of the rather impoverished Somalis, it would reduce, but not eliminate the problem.

This is a complex problem that will involve a complex solution.

Openly armed merchant ships, the occasional Q-ship ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship ) and an increased presence of world navies.

Oddly enough the Japs have a lot of destroyers, this is something they could lend a hand in.

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 02:27 PM
I'm not crying! I got something in my eye!

Semper Fi coach!!

Heh, hope you like the patch I posted above...

Bigzax
04-12-2009, 02:42 PM
America! Fuck Yeah!

MiamiHeat
04-12-2009, 02:54 PM
Makes me feel like popping in my copy of RAINBOW SIX : VEGAS 2 in my xbox 360

american special forces FTW!

CubanSucks
04-12-2009, 04:42 PM
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CubanSucks
04-12-2009, 04:43 PM
I remember when pirates used to be like the cool criminals simply because they were unique and you don't really think of them existing anymore. But now my image of pirates is ruined by a bunch of toothpick africans from some shit country. Anyway, no matter their nationality if ANYONE wants to pick a fight with any of the U.S. forces I always know who I'm rooting for.

RandomGuy
04-12-2009, 05:00 PM
SEALS
+
scuba gear
+
advanced thermal imaging
=
3 second fire-fight
=
WIN

Professional negotiators like the FBI made for a good delaying tactic while the SEALS prepped. If the negotiators worked, great, if not, they bought time.

An article posted by sayshor criticised the use of the FBI, but that simply goes to show a lack of situational awareness on the part of a real estate agent who probably doesn't realize that professional hostage negotiators aren't issued to every US destroyer and have their uses in say... hostage situations.

Destro
04-12-2009, 10:59 PM
got damn seals stay away from the Mighty Destro. Zartan better get his peeps in line

Heath Ledger
04-13-2009, 06:51 AM
That only works if you see them coming.

Often the ship is stormed at night, in a quick raid.

Such a weapon system would not prevent such an attack.

One would need one or two of the systems per ship, have them constantly crewed by properly trained personel, with night vision goggles, etc.






Given the motivation of the rather impoverished Somalis, it would reduce, but not eliminate the problem.






Dipshit all of those ships have radar as well as men standing watch they are not just sneak attacks their problem is not being able to outrun the smaller crafts

And also this was the Seals not the jarheads dipshit

This is a complex problem that will involve a complex solution.

Openly armed merchant ships, the occasional Q-ship ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-ship ) and an increased presence of world navies.

Oddly enough the Japs have a lot of destroyers, this is something they could lend a hand in.

RandomGuy
04-13-2009, 08:28 AM
Dipshit all of those ships have radar as well as men standing watch they are not just sneak attacks their problem is not being able to outrun the smaller crafts

And also this was the Seals not the jarheads dipshit

1) I know it was the SEALS. I simply posted the best "mess with the best, die like the rest" picture I could find with a quick search.

2) I know it is not just sneak attacks. That is part of the reason I said a "complex" problem.

I would be willing to bet that I know more about this than you do, sayyid.

TheTruth
04-13-2009, 08:44 AM
Seals kick all sorts of ass. Great job Navy!

desflood
04-13-2009, 08:52 AM
They done good. However, what this means is that next time the pirates won't take hostages - they'll just kill the crew right away.

“bright and shiny”
04-13-2009, 08:54 AM
These freight companies need to get on board with that sonic defense system. A fucking Seabourne cruise ship drove off TWO boatloads of pirates a couple of weeks back. sounds like a bomb going off in your head, repeatedly. You want it to stop and do anything to make it stop, .



or they can just play song from this band.

7-NOZU2iPA8

BacktoBasics
04-13-2009, 08:55 AM
Whats most important here is that they negotiated for these guys to be brought to justice. Obviously the core mission wasn't to do whatever it took to free our guy. Preventative maintenance took priority one. Niiiice.

RandomGuy
04-13-2009, 01:00 PM
Whats most important here is that they negotiated for these guys to be brought to justice. Obviously the core mission wasn't to do whatever it took to free our guy. Preventative maintenance took priority one. Niiiice.

:rolleyes

What if negotiation was required to buy time to get the snipers and special forces in place?

hmm?

What if negotiation actually had freed the guy first?

Hmm?

If by "whatever it took" you mean recklessly attempting to storm the boat and risking the captains life unnecessarily, I'm glad your dumb ass wasn't in charge.

There is a vast difference between negotiating and giving in to demands of criminals. When people suggest that somehow taking advantage of decades of experience with hostage negotiating is "weak", I find that to be the mark of someone who has little to no knowledge of such things.

BacktoBasics
04-13-2009, 02:16 PM
:rolleyes

What if negotiation was required to buy time to get the snipers and special forces in place?

hmm?

What if negotiation actually had freed the guy first?

Hmm?

If by "whatever it took" you mean recklessly attempting to storm the boat and risking the captains life unnecessarily, I'm glad your dumb ass wasn't in charge.

There is a vast difference between negotiating and giving in to demands of criminals. When people suggest that somehow taking advantage of decades of experience with hostage negotiating is "weak", I find that to be the mark of someone who has little to no knowledge of such things.

:rolleyes hmm?

What if?

Lots of those.

RandomGuy
04-13-2009, 03:44 PM
:rolleyes hmm?

What if?

Lots of those.

Indeed there were. That you didn't seem to consider them tells me that your thinking on the subject was... limited.

What if "the core mission wasn't to do whatever it took to free our guy?"

You rather obviously assumed that "whatever it took" didn't include negotiation, correct?

Maybe I misunderstood you there, and you can correct my understanding of your post.

BacktoBasics
04-13-2009, 04:04 PM
Indeed there were. That you didn't seem to consider them tells me that your thinking on the subject was... limited.

What if "the core mission wasn't to do whatever it took to free our guy?"

You rather obviously assumed that "whatever it took" didn't include negotiation, correct?

Maybe I misunderstood you there, and you can correct my understanding of your post.Nope you didn't misunderstand me. I think you made a good point on my half-assed off the cuff comment.

RandomGuy 1
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RandomGuy
04-13-2009, 04:56 PM
Nope you didn't misunderstand me. I think you made a good point on my half-assed off the cuff comment.

RandomGuy 1
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Dammit man, what kind of a total internets noob are you?

Admitting you were wrong on the internet like that, I mean, that just isn't done. It says right here in the "Forum Warrior's Guide to Internet Pissing Contests For Noobs, 2008 edition" on page 3, "Don't ever admit you were wrong about anything".

Sheesh. I had a whole childish tirade all ready to go with cleverly witty sarcastic remarks, pictures that had little circles and arrows, and you go and blow all of that hard work to shit by being mature about it. :bang

Seriously though, sorry I was a bit pissy about it.

I have seen a couple real idiots (like a real estate agent with no military/naval expertise) talking about how stupid it was that we actually negotiated with these guys when we should have just gone in guns blazing, like this is some Hollywood movie they saw the other day, and it made me a bit irritated and less civil than I should have been.

BacktoBasics
04-13-2009, 05:11 PM
Dammit man, what kind of a total internets noob are you?

Admitting you were wrong on the internet like that, I mean, that just isn't done. It says right here in the "Forum Warrior's Guide to Internet Pissing Contests For Noobs, 2008 edition" on page 3, "Don't ever admit you were wrong about anything".

Sheesh. I had a whole childish tirade all ready to go with cleverly witty sarcastic remarks, pictures that had little circles and arrows, and you go and blow all of that hard work to shit by being mature about it. :bang

Seriously though, sorry I was a bit pissy about it.

I have seen a couple real idiots (like a real estate agent with no military/naval expertise) talking about how stupid it was that we actually negotiated with these guys when we should have just gone in guns blazing, like this is some Hollywood movie they saw the other day, and it made me a bit irritated and less civil than I should have been.I don't admit I'm wrong or admit that might have commented too quickly without putting enough thought into it very often. Its totally out of character for me.

If you ask Kori to delete our posts we can start over tomorrow. There's a pretty good chance no one will know and I can say something way worse and way more out of line. With any luck we can take this two page snoozefest into a 20 page internet battle for the ages.

Summers
04-13-2009, 05:12 PM
I don't admit I'm wrong or admit that might have commented too quickly without putting enough thought into it very often. Its totally out of character for me.

If you ask Kori to delete our posts we can start over tomorrow. There's a pretty good chance no one will know and I can say something way worse and way more out of line. With any luck we can take this two page snoozefest into a 20 page internet battle for the ages.

:lol Don't forget to bring up religion and legalizing marijuana while you're at it.

BacktoBasics
04-13-2009, 05:14 PM
:lol Don't forget to bring up religion and legalizing marijuana while you're at it.I really dropped the ball here didn't I.

RandomGuy
04-13-2009, 08:48 PM
:lol Don't forget to bring up religion and legalizing marijuana while you're at it.

I'm glad you posted here, because no thread about sailors would be complete without a picture of naked man-ass.

... says the guy who was in the Army.

This we'll defend.

Slydragon
04-13-2009, 10:37 PM
That's why my favorite PS2 game was the Socom Navy seals series

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7617/socom2wall.jpg

Homeland Security
04-14-2009, 07:29 AM
Damn. These Somali pirates just don't get the job done. What we need are some Xe agents to pose as pirates so that the U.S. gets a more embarrassing outcome.