Pacquiao - Hatton 24/7

[TheMACHINE]

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/

First episode is out. Watching it right now. Few interesting points.

-Roach said he noticed IV marks on DLH's arms and told Manny to jump him right away cuz he just got rehydrated right before the fight. wow.

-Roach has an assistant trainer helping him out, Michael Moorer. Will this change things?

[IronMexican]

Go Hatton!

[mexicanjunior]

http://www.hbo.com/boxing/

First episode is out. Watching it right now. Few interesting points.

-Roach said he noticed IV marks on DLH's arms and told Manny to jump him right away cuz he just got rehydrated right before the fight. wow.

-Roach has an assistant trainer helping him out, Michael Moorer. Will this change things?

I was really surprised about the IV comment also. It makes sense though, DLH just looked lifeless in that fight.

I think Moorer will help more than hurt. He was a real cerebral fighter when he was heavyweight champ. Had it not been for a lucky punch by George Foreman, his legacy would be alot more positive...

[I. Hustle]

I am really looking forward to this fight. I am a fan of both so it's win win for me. I would love to see Ricky win but I doubt it happens.

[I. Hustle]

I would love to be able to find a pic of Manny is a Spurs jersey. He wore one to the ring when he fought here.

[BacktoBasics]

This is a hard fight for me to pick sides. I love both fighters. I almost feel like a Hatton win would redeem him for the Mayweather fight. I still feel that if the ref would have let Hatton fight Mayweather on the inside Hatton would have had a chance to win the fight.

No doubt that it will boil down to how the ref handles this bout. If Hatton comes in close to work Manny and the ref lets him work Pac is going to have his work cut out for him. If Hatton comes in close and the ref spends the entire evening seperating the two Pac wins no problem. I hope the ref lets Hatton work the inside, if he does, we'll really see what Pac is made of.

If Manny wins Mayweather has to fight him...he just has to.

[TheMACHINE]

im rooting for Pacquiao...cuz i wanna see him vs Mayweather.

It'll be a good fight...we're gonna have to see if Hatton can catch Manny. We're gonna see alot of good counter punching...you can tell from the 24/7 footage that Manny is learning some new Counter punchin tecniques.

[baseline bum]

im rooting for Pacquiao...cuz i wanna see him vs Mayweather.

It'll be a good fight...we're gonna have to see if Hatton can catch Manny. We're gonna see alot of good counter punching...you can tell from the 24/7 footage that Manny is learning some new Counter punchin tecniques.

+1 Manny/Mayweather would be insane.

[Yogurt210]

Pacman is going to destroy Hatton. it's a bad matchup. Unless Maywaeather SR, does some serious training and making over Hatton's game.

its going to be a good fight none the less.

here we come Manny vs Mayweather


I heard Mayweather is going to fight Juan Manuel Marquez first

[Whisky Dog]

When fight night comes on 5/2 could one of you ppv computer link wizards PM me a link to watch the fight live online?

[TheMACHINE]

Episode 2

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[in2deep]

joke of a fight.

Manny will wipe the floor with that dude

[in2deep]

+1 manny/mayweather would be insane.

+1000

[ATRAIN]

joke of a fight.

Manny will wipe the floor with that dude

+1

[degenerate_gambler]

+1 Manny/Mayweather would be insane.


never, ever happen unfortunately

[TheMACHINE]

when Mayweather beats JMM, the Pac/Mayweather will happen.

[TheMACHINE]

y2qJ_GVLMWA

[I. Hustle]

joke of a fight.

Manny will wipe the floor with that dude


+1

How can you agree with that bullshit? This should be a good fight. I lost respect for you.



lol mma

[mexicanjunior]

I think it will be a much closer fight than alot of people are expecting. Eventhough Manny's speed is superior, I think Hatton's natural strength and crowding style will give him problems. Ricky loves to bulldog fighters into the ropes and work the body relentlessly, which is a style I don't recall seeing Manny have to deal with before. JMM, Oscar, Barrera and Morales were all counter punchers by the time Manny faced them. That said, I still think Manny's speed, conditioning and great chin will prevail...probably a TKO around the 10th or 11th after Hatton has lost some steam on his attack and Manny's combinations have taken over.

[IronMexican]

Think we could get a Vbookie on the fight?

[jmard5]

It should be one hell of a match.

I'm rooting for Pacquiao, of course.

[BacktoBasics]

I think it will be a much closer fight than alot of people are expecting. Eventhough Manny's speed is superior, I think Hatton's natural strength and crowding style will give him problems. Ricky loves to bulldog fighters into the ropes and work the body relentlessly, which is a style I don't recall seeing Manny have to deal with before. JMM, Oscar, Barrera and Morales were all counter punchers by the time Manny faced them. That said, I still think Manny's speed, conditioning and great chin will prevail...probably a TKO around the 10th or 11th after Hatton has lost some steam on his attack and Manny's combinations have taken over.I agree. This worked against Mayweather and it worked well only problem was the refs wouldn't allow it. If the refs let Hatton work inside its anybodies fight if the ref jumps in at any sign of a clinch Pac's gonna take this no problem.

[IronMexican]

Watching the weigh in. This shit gets me pumped.

[TheMACHINE]

Watching the weigh in. This shit gets me pumped.

DQP2JQIrHHA

[DMX7]

If the pac-man loses, I'll be amazed.

[RedsLakers24]

JMM is a good boxer, i wouldnt be suprise if he wins but Mayweather has the size and speed to beat him, Mayweather should fight Cotto, Mosley or Margarito those are the top fighers in his division instead he is fighting smaller guys like Hatton, JMM and possibly PacMan

[pawe]

Pacman all the way but im just a little disappointed with his current lifestyle with all his gambling, showbiz and even posse distractions. I hope he was focused during his training because Hatton is a slugger, he will pound you and force you to the corner and he is really good in getting to those crevices..good thing Manny can take blows and has very good balance.

[JamStone]

Paaaaaaaaaacquiaoooooooooooo!!!

[Whisky Dog]

Don't be surprised if Hatton wins. He has quick feet and under Mayweather Sr has shown increased mobility, head movement, and over defensive skills. Add to that he's the bigger guy and he could beat Pac.

The win over DLH wasn't as impressive to me because of what Oscar had to do to get down to that weight. He looked like a skeleton.

Plus, Hatton should have the motivation factor. He's trying to redeem himself after the loss to Mayweather while Pac has been living fat on all the praise and greatness talk after the DLH fight. He could be ripe for the taking.

[BWS-1994]

Mayweather Sr brought up how Pacman was stopped before: body punches.

Though that was before, it would still work for a brawler like Hatton.

[TheMACHINE]

after 2 rounds, hatton will forget whut he learned and forget to dodge them punches

[TheMACHINE]

Don't be surprised if Hatton wins. He has quick feet and under Mayweather Sr has shown increased mobility, head movement, and over defensive skills. Add to that he's the bigger guy and he could beat Pac.

The win over DLH wasn't as impressive to me because of what Oscar had to do to get down to that weight. He looked like a skeleton.

Plus, Hatton should have the motivation factor. He's trying to redeem himself after the loss to Mayweather while Pac has been living fat on all the praise and greatness talk after the DLH fight. He could be ripe for the taking.


Interesting..let me quote what you wrote in a previous thread about Pacman/DLH

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103772&highlight=pacquiao

"Pacquiao most recently fought at 135 and will have to jump 2 weight classes to get to 147. Even though he gets the 8 oz gloves instead of the 10 oz that Oscar wanted, I just don't see Pacquiao winning this one. A lot can happen between now and December and this one will be tough to call, but as of right now that's a hell of a lot of weight to jump and still take power for a dude as small framed as Pacquiao.

@ Oscar for talking big now that he's fighting the smaller guy after backing off his statements to take on the winner of Cotto - Margarito. Margarito scared the shit out of him with that performance."




Im surprised it didnt impress you when you think Pacman couldnt do it.

[Sp Ginobili 20]

Well, that was fast.

[IronMexican]

:lol

[pawe]

Wow, Hatton took all of that left hand power punch! Glad he's doing ok now. He really looked hurt and I thought he's not gonna be able to stand up after that.

[IronMexican]

Money can't duck him any longer.

[IronMexican]

I am so glad I didn't waste 50 bucks on this shit.

[JamStone]

Pacman!

[resistanze]

LMAO Hatton

[IronMexican]

Hatton is such a bum. I hope we never hear from him again.

[jmard5]

Yeah. 2nd round with 7 secs to go.

[dallaskd]

Can someone get a gif of the knockout

[TheMACHINE]

bring on mayweather bitches.

[Man In Black]

Too Fast, Too Strong, Too Tough.

This was an easy fight to call. Hatton was going to bull in and Pac was going to show him the meaning of speed with power. That right hook, he never saw coming and when he tried to adjust, the left hook killed Hatton.

[Killakobe81]

THAT was IMPRESSIVE ...I still think Floyd can beat him BUT it wont be easy and he would have to fight his ugly style to win against Hatton he was aggressive he would have to fight smart to beat Manny ...Manny is not unbeatable he lost before ...BUT you have to have skill and a great gameplan ...

[Mugen]

Time to retire pretty boy now too manny.

i just hope mayweather survives marquez and doesnt try to duck manny cuz manny will knock his ass out in 6 or less.

[Ginofan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzBWqhwoqT4&annotation_id=annotation_435329&feature=iv

[Spur-Addict]

Wow. He was gone with his eyes wide open.

[baseline bum]

Good; now I never have to ever hear the bullshit hype about Hatton again. Way to go Manny! On to destroy Floyd now!

[TheMACHINE]

Don't be surprised if Hatton wins. He has quick feet and under Mayweather Sr has shown increased mobility, head movement, and over defensive skills. Add to that he's the bigger guy and he could beat Pac.

The win over DLH wasn't as impressive to me because of what Oscar had to do to get down to that weight. He looked like a skeleton.

Plus, Hatton should have the motivation factor. He's trying to redeem himself after the loss to Mayweather while Pac has been living fat on all the praise and greatness talk after the DLH fight. He could be ripe for the taking.

Looks like Hatton didnt use any of that for moivation nor learned anything new from Sr.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Good; now I never have to ever hear the bullshit hype about Hatton again. Way to go Manny! On to destroy Floyd now!

There's only oneeee Ricky Hatton,
Oneeee Ricky Hatton,
Walking along, Singing a song,
Walking in a Hatton wonderland.

Seriously...annoying brits ....glad he got KTFO


He can now go get small parts in Guy Ritchie movies

[Man In Black]

Don't be surprised if Hatton wins. He has quick feet and under Mayweather Sr has shown increased mobility, head movement, and over defensive skills. Add to that he's the bigger guy and he could beat Pac.

You'll probably say that same thing in the next Pac fight...and you'll be WRONG AGAIN.

Speed Kills and Pacquiao has an abundance of it.

[Mugen]

I pray for a Mayweather/Manny fight.

PBF needs to do his best Manny the Mexecutioner impression and beat Marquez.

[TheMACHINE]

You'll probably say that same thing in the next Pac fight...and you'll be WRONG AGAIN.

Speed Kills and Pacquiao has an abundance of it.

Theres already alot of people on other forums making excuses for Hatton =P

Also saying that there's no way PBF can lose.

DENIAL...plain and simple.

[pawe]

^^^ Awesome sig man!

[Duncanoypi]

I think it will be a much closer fight than alot of people are expecting. Eventhough Manny's speed is superior, I think Hatton's natural strength and crowding style will give him problems. Ricky loves to bulldog fighters into the ropes and work the body relentlessly, which is a style I don't recall seeing Manny have to deal with before. JMM, Oscar, Barrera and Morales were all counter punchers by the time Manny faced them. That said, I still think Manny's speed, conditioning and great chin will prevail...probably a TKO around the 10th or 11th after Hatton has lost some steam on his attack and Manny's combinations have taken over.

Pacman -> :ihit :sleep <- Hatton :lol

Ok lets sing....(to the tune of London Bridge is falling down...)

"Ricky Hatton falling down...falling down...Ricky Hatton fallin down...in just 2-round!"

[JamStone]

PacquiaoDynasty?


Nothing personal. I am just doing my job

Pacquiao story (http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=4129549)

[TheTruth]

Too much speed. Too much power. Pretty Boy Floyd is going to get KILLED.

[IronMexican]

I'll be pulling for Pacquiao vs Floyd. But I don't think Pacquiao would be the favorite.

[JamStone]

Lol at Manny not being the favorite. At this point, there's no way he wouldn't be.

He could still lose, but that's for the ring to decide and that's not the same as calling the favorite. Pacquiao will be pretty much the favorite in any fight until he loses.

[IronMexican]

We'll see, brah. And there is nobody I hate more than PBF, so I hope you are right.

[TheMACHINE]

We'll see, brah. And there is nobody I hate more than PBF, so I hope you are right.

Pacman will be the favorite. He has beaten PBF's opponents in a more convincing fashoin.

[dbreiden83080]

My condolences to anyone who got suckered into plucking down 50 bucks for that one sided raping. The good news with this win and Floyd coming back we should get to see them go at it. And that will be an event..

[ATRAIN]

How can you agree with that bullshit? This should be a good fight. I lost respect for you.



lol mma

you were saying?

[tlongII]

No way Pac Man would be favored over PBF. It would be interesting to see which one has faster hands.

[JamStone]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm87/pabany/rickyhatton.jpg http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii181/2dominicanhotties/equal-sign.gif http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/glovalsol/JJ%20transfers/irishterry.jpg

Ricky Hatton = Terry Conklin from "Great White Hype"

[Yuushi12]

Man, Floyd VS. Manny would be so sick:downspin:

[dbreiden83080]

Hatton fought a foolish fight. Mayweather SR, said "He did not follow instructions" and i believe him. Manny was going to win nomatter what but Hatton fought the same way he always does. Rushing in, wrecklessly, you can't beat Manny like that and i was under the impression Hatton knew that..

[hater]

I guess I was right on my prediction that Manny would wipe the floor with Hatton. what a scrub

the next fight would be Manny vs. Mayweather. But the way Manny is fighting I would not be surprised to see Mayweather dodge the fight as much as possible. I would not blame him too much because at this point pacman is a machine.

hopefully this will happen no later than next year and it would be an amazing fight. I agree that Floyd would still be the favorite IF he beats Marquez and shows he is still in condition. Floyd is just as skilled or more, bigger, stronger, just as fast or faster than Manny and has NEVER lost. But pacman is got the heart and genius of Freddy Roach on his side.

I hope FLoyd gets the beating he deserves.

[mexicanjunior]

Pacman -> :ihit :sleep <- Hatton :lol

Ok lets sing....(to the tune of London Bridge is falling down...)

"Ricky Hatton falling down...falling down...Ricky Hatton fallin down...in just 2-round!"

Man, I paid $60 bucks for the hi-def version of that debacle. I thought Hatton would actually show some form of defense and boxing ability, not rush in face first into the tornado. There is no way Mayweather Sr. trained him to do that, Hatton must have gotten caught up in the moment and fought like an idiot rabid dog. Manny was cool as ice, it's all business with him. I'm just glad my cable went out before the fight (Dallas thunderstorms) so I can get my money back... :lol

If Mayweather is able to get by Marquez (not a given), him and Manny will be a terrific fight.

[I. Hustle]

Man, I paid $60 bucks for the hi-def version of that debacle. I thought Hatton would actually show some form of defense and boxing ability, not rush in face first into the tornado. There is no way Mayweather Sr. trained him to do that, Hatton must have gotten caught up in the moment and fought like an idiot rabid dog. Manny was cool as ice, it's all business with him. I'm just glad my cable went out before the fight (Dallas thunderstorms) so I can get my money back... :lol

If Mayweather is able to get by Marquez (not a given), him and Manny will be a terrific fight.

No joke. I wish my cable would have gone out. These are my two favorite fighters and I expected a good fight. I really thought Ricky was going to switch it up but no he had to go head first and refuse to cover up. MAN that pissed me off. Oh well at least I know that Manny isn't slowing down.
Now I am down to
Manny
Ricky - scratched
Barrera - scratched
Bad Chad Dawson
The Klitschko's
JMM
Margarito


and a couple of others I am forgetting.

[IronMexican]

Man, I paid $60 bucks for the hi-def version of that debacle. I thought Hatton would actually show some form of defense and boxing ability, not rush in face first into the tornado. There is no way Mayweather Sr. trained him to do that, Hatton must have gotten caught up in the moment and fought like an idiot rabid dog. Manny was cool as ice, it's all business with him. I'm just glad my cable went out before the fight (Dallas thunderstorms) so I can get my money back... :lol

If Mayweather is able to get by Marquez (not a given), him and Manny will be a terrific fight.

I hear Manny was going to sign something with Cotto.

[mexicanjunior]

Margarito


He was on my list until the whole "brass knuckles" incident...

[JoshO501]

I hear Manny was going to sign something with Cotto.

yeah i heard something like that too . arum wants to get that done right away.

[IronMexican]

yeah i heard something like that too . arum wants to get that done right away.

Cotto wont last more than 5 rounds with Pacman. I hope this doesn't go through and PBF and Pacquiao get something done.

[TheTruth]

Cotto's power scares me.

[IronMexican]

Cotto's power scares me.

His punches did absolutely nothing to Margarito.

[me15lo]

well, hatton "walked on wonderland" all right

[TheMACHINE]

Roach said he wont wait for Mayweather since all Mayweather had to do was wait one day to announce a fight against Pacquiao. He wants Pacquiao to be busy and is willing to go against Mosley or Cotto if they go down to 140 while waiting for PBF.

[BWS-1994]

There's only oneeee Ricky Hatton,
Oneeee Ricky Hatton,
Walking along, Singing a song,
Walking in a Hatton wonderland.

Seriously...annoying brits ....glad he got KTFO


He can now go get small parts in Guy Ritchie movies

Annoying tune but can't get it out of my head :lol


Pacman -> :ihit :sleep <- Hatton :lol

Ok lets sing....(to the tune of London Bridge is falling down...)

"Ricky Hatton falling down...falling down...Ricky Hatton fallin down...in just 2-round!"

:toast

At this point, is it too late for Hatton to improve on defense?

[BWS-1994]

Hatton fought a foolish fight. Mayweather SR, said "He did not follow instructions" and i believe him. Manny was going to win nomatter what but Hatton fought the same way he always does. Rushing in, wrecklessly, you can't beat Manny like that and i was under the impression Hatton knew that..

Hatton parts ways with Mayweather Sr.

By Roy Luarca
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 23:40:00 05/04/2009

HOLLYWOOD—CHANCES ARE FLOYD Mayweather Sr. is out of Team Hatton, for good.

Reports from England yesterday revealed that Mayweather’s contract was only for 12 weeks up to Hatton’s showdown with Manny Pacquiao which ended in a disastrous second-round knockout loss on Saturday (Sunday in Manila).

Mayweather was earlier quoted as saying that Hatton did not heed his instruction to keep up his defense and avoid toe-to-toe exchanges with Pacquiao.

Hatton was also under orders to stay close to Pacquiao to neutralize the Filipino’s speed and give him a chance to unleash his vaunted body blows.

But after Hatton was knocked down twice in the first round, Mayweather said the Briton returned to his old brawling style.

Having perfected the moves to foil Hatton’s attack, Pacquiao found the Hitman an easy target instead.


There were also reports of strife in the Hatton camp less than a week before the fight dubbed “The Battle of East and West.”

Hatton reportedly resented Mayweather’s tardiness during training sessions.

Reports also quoted Mayweather as saying that he’d like to see Hatton give up fighting after absorbing his second knockout loss in 47 fights.

Other reports, however, said Hatton, who apologized to his fans for the crushing defeat, may yet fight again.

http://sports.inquirer.net/professional/professional/view/20090504-203090/Hatton-parts-ways-with-Mayweather-Sr


yeah i heard something like that too . arum wants to get that done right away.

Pacman plans to run for Philippine Congress this April 2010. That's probably why he only has plans for one more fight before January next year.

[Whisky Dog]

Props to Pac, I thought this would be a much tougher fight but he proved me wrong.

[BacktoBasics]

I thought Hatton fought a bad fight. With that said Manny killed him in a lot more dominate and quicker fashion than I expected.

I have no doubt at this point that Manny would beat Floyd. I was always on the fence about a Floyd fight. Manny's just too dialed right now. I predict a hold up over money. Floyd will duck but I don't think he can duck for too long.

[Whisky Dog]

Interesting..let me quote what you wrote in a previous thread about Pacman/DLH

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103772&highlight=pacquiao

"Pacquiao most recently fought at 135 and will have to jump 2 weight classes to get to 147. Even though he gets the 8 oz gloves instead of the 10 oz that Oscar wanted, I just don't see Pacquiao winning this one. A lot can happen between now and December and this one will be tough to call, but as of right now that's a hell of a lot of weight to jump and still take power for a dude as small framed as Pacquiao.

@ Oscar for talking big now that he's fighting the smaller guy after backing off his statements to take on the winner of Cotto - Margarito. Margarito scared the shit out of him with that performance."


Well dickhead, I made those comments before the fight, so obviously before I saw what DLH looked like after killing himself to make weight. Once I saw that he looked like a skeleton I knew it was over. Go hump on somebody else's leg with your bullshit.

[dbreiden83080]

Floyd's inactivity may hurt him if he takes the fight with Manny. We'll see how he looks in this fight with Marquez. His defense is so good Manny will have a tough time with it but i do think the fight will happen. As long as Mayweather gets through in this fight, the public demand to see he and Manny will be enormous. Huge Paydays for both, a true Mega-fight. I expect it to happen..

[BacktoBasics]

Floyd's inactivity may hurt him if he takes the fight with Manny. We'll see how he looks in this fight with Marquez. His defense is so good Manny will have a tough time with it but i do think the fight will happen. As long as Mayweather gets through in this fight, the public demand to see he and Manny will be enormous. Huge Paydays for both, a true Mega-fight. I expect it to happen..How he handles Marquez will definitely be the key here. If he struggles I expect there to be road blocks.

[T_MONEY_TX]

check out theboxingtruth.com they got a weekly boxing show on sunday nights at 8pm.

[dbreiden83080]

Well dickhead, I made those comments before the fight, so obviously before I saw what DLH looked like after killing himself to make weight. Once I saw that he looked like a skeleton I knew it was over. Go hump on somebody else's leg with your bullshit.

People need to stop re-writing history on that fight. Oscar was the betting favorite going into it. He had beaten much bigger, stronger and in some cases more skilled fighters than Manny in his career. The man had 2 battles with Sugar Shane, and a prime Shane at that.. He was coming off a competitive loss to Floyd. The bottom line is draining himself, at age 35 to make that weight killed him in that fight. I said in the thread, before the fight started, after having picked Oscar to win, that hearing he was unable to put any weight back on after the weigh in had me wavering big time. Oscar screwed up taking that fight, at that weight..

[BacktoBasics]

Oscar is hands down the most overrated fighter ever in boxing. He beat Mosley and off the top of my head I think there was one more decent fighter he beat. Thats about it. He's a perennial loser in big fights.

[BacktoBasics]

Okay 3. Mosley, Whitaker and Quartey.

[TheMACHINE]

Well dickhead, I made those comments before the fight, so obviously before I saw what DLH looked like after killing himself to make weight. Once I saw that he looked like a skeleton I knew it was over. Go hump on somebody else's leg with your bullshit.


lol dickhead...funny. Im just saying to you that its ok to be wrong..but saying you wernt impressed was laughable.....once again, there no problem coming up with the wrong prediction sometimes.....or in your case, most of the time.

[mexicanjunior]

Okay 3. Mosley, Whitaker and Quartey.

He beat Vargas (former champion) when he was juiced up on steroids and JC Chavez twice (although he was 36 at the time of the 2nd fight). He also beat Jesse James Leija (30-1-2 ATOF), Arturo Gatti (33-1-0 ATOF), Miguel Angel Gonzales (41-0-0 ATOF), Genaro Hernandez (32-0-1 ATOF)...these were all world champions before Oscar knocked them out. He was also robbed in the Trinidad fight although alot of that was his own doing...

[dbreiden83080]

He beat Vargas (former champion) when he was juiced up on steroids and JC Chavez twice (although he was 36 at the time of the 2nd fight). He also beat Jesse James Leija (30-1-2 ATOF), Arturo Gatti (33-1-0 ATOF), Miguel Angel Gonzales (41-0-0 ATOF), Genaro Hernandez (32-0-1 ATOF)...these were all world champions before Oscar knocked them out. He was also robbed in the Trinidad fight although alot of that was his own doing...

The Tito Fight, was the biggest mistake Oscar ever made. He was dessimating Trinidad. Through 8 rds, i recall having it 7-1 for Oscar. Everytime he let his hands go, he was dominating. Running those last rds on the advice of his stupid corner, was such a bad idea..

[Whisky Dog]

lol dickhead...funny. Im just saying to you that its ok to be wrong..but saying you wernt impressed was laughable.....once again, there no problem coming up with the wrong prediction sometimes.....or in your case, most of the time.

The last thing I need is some passive aggressive fuck like you telling me what's ok and what's not. I decide that for myself, you fuck off.

[IronMexican]

He beat Vargas (former champion) when he was juiced up on steroids and JC Chavez twice (although he was 36 at the time of the 2nd fight). He also beat Jesse James Leija (30-1-2 ATOF), Arturo Gatti (33-1-0 ATOF), Miguel Angel Gonzales (41-0-0 ATOF), Genaro Hernandez (32-0-1 ATOF)...these were all world champions before Oscar knocked them out. He was also robbed in the Trinidad fight although alot of that was his own doing...

Don't even count the JCC fights. He was clearly passed his prime. I was disappointed Oscar fought him a second time.

[dbreiden83080]

Don't even count the JCC fights. He was clearly passed his prime. I was disappointed Oscar fought him a second time.

Oscar destroys any version of JCC. He was about to lose to Meldrick Taylor, before Richard Steele, took Don King's money and stopped the fight off a knockdown with 2 seconds on the clock in the 12th.. Prime Oscar just way too skilled for Chavez..

[BacktoBasics]

He beat Vargas (former champion) when he was juiced up on steroids and JC Chavez twice (although he was 36 at the time of the 2nd fight). He also beat Jesse James Leija (30-1-2 ATOF), Arturo Gatti (33-1-0 ATOF), Miguel Angel Gonzales (41-0-0 ATOF), Genaro Hernandez (32-0-1 ATOF)...these were all world champions before Oscar knocked them out. He was also robbed in the Trinidad fight although alot of that was his own doing...
Vargas juiced or not was highly highly overrated himself. Chavez fights were worthless. JJL was on the decline. Gatti...ok I'll give you Gatti I guess.

I don't consider Gonzales or Hernandez big victories.

He fucked himself in the Tito fight. Great fighters don't lay back.

[dbreiden83080]

Great fighters don't lay back.

Lennox Lewis did it 100 times over..

[BacktoBasics]

Lennox Lewis did it 100 times over..I never followed Lewis so I can't say. I'm sure the premise of dragging on a heavyweight fight makes much more sense over trying to pull that off in the lower weights.

[hater]

People need to stop re-writing history on that fight. Oscar was the betting favorite going into it. He had beaten much bigger, stronger and in some cases more skilled fighters than Manny in his career. The man had 2 battles with Sugar Shane, and a prime Shane at that.. He was coming off a competitive loss to Floyd. The bottom line is draining himself, at age 35 to make that weight killed him in that fight. I said in the thread, before the fight started, after having picked Oscar to win, that hearing he was unable to put any weight back on after the weigh in had me wavering big time. Oscar screwed up taking that fight, at that weight..

say what???

It was obvious DeLaChocha has been fighting exhibition fights for the last few years. Dude is finished as a competitor. and was a while ago.

Floyd could have easily destroyed him. But Floyd is not as aggressive as Manny. How in the world DeLaChocha has been relevant in the last 5 years is a mystery to me.

[mexicanjunior]

Vargas juiced or not was highly highly overrated himself. Chavez fights were worthless. JJL was on the decline. Gatti...ok I'll give you Gatti I guess.

I don't consider Gonzales or Hernandez big victories.

He fucked himself in the Tito fight. Great fighters don't lay back.

JC Chaves was 97-1-1 and had won 7 straight going into the first Delahoya fight. He wasn't at his prime but I would not call it a worthless victory. JJL was only 29 when he fight Oscar as well.

Hernandez was a great champion in his day, he finished 38-2-1 and his only losses were to Oscar and Mayweather Jr, so I wouldn't call him a spare by any means.

[mexicanjunior]

Lennox Lewis did it 100 times over..

Did what 100 times over? Lewis knocked out more than his fair share of opponents. I don't recall him doing alot of "laying back" when he was ahead in a fight.

[mexicanjunior]

It was obvious DeLaChocha has been fighting exhibition fights for the last few years. Dude is finished as a competitor. and was a while ago.


Now this I will agree with. Oscar hasn't been a serious fighter since he lost to Hopkins in 2004. He had been living on name alone and that tailor made KO over Mayorga for the past 5 years.

[BacktoBasics]

JC Chaves was 97-1-1 and had won 7 straight going into the first Delahoya fight. He wasn't at his prime but I would not call it a worthless victory. JJL was only 29 when he fight Oscar as well.

Hernandez was a great champion in his day, he finished 38-2-1 and his only losses were to Oscar and Mayweather Jr, so I wouldn't call him a spare by any means.Are we seriously considering JJL a big time fighter? I don't care what Chavez's padded record says he was over the hill.

I simply can't speak for Hernandez as I know very very little about his career.

[TheMACHINE]

The last thing I need is some passive aggressive fuck like you telling me what's ok and what's not. I decide that for myself, you fuck off.


You're so mad all the time. Try calming down...take deep breaths. Calming down is the right thing to do, just looking out for your health. Take my advice..im usually right ;)

[mexicanjunior]

Are we seriously considering JJL a big time fighter? I don't care what Chavez's padded record says he was over the hill.

I simply can't speak for Hernandez as I know very very little about his career.

JJL was not a megafight but it's not like he was a tomato can either...As I said before, Chavez was not in his prime but still a very good fighter and a world champion. Oscar's win over him (convincingly at that) deserves some respect...

[dbreiden83080]

Did what 100 times over? Lewis knocked out more than his fair share of opponents. I don't recall him doing alot of "laying back" when he was ahead in a fight.

Motherfucker was a flat out embrassment when he fought Holyfield. The 1st time as bad as that decision draw, was he had Evander standing in front of him 6th rd on, and what did Lewis do? Jab, Jab, Jab Lazy right hand, clinch hold on. Wash, rinse and repeat. The 2nd fight was maybe the most boring piece of shit i have ever seen. Same thing as the first one only with even less action, and Evander actually got off in that fight. Holyfield was easily 3 or 4 years past his best and Lewis didn't come close to getting rid of him. Oscar played it safe once, against Trinidad but he always brought it, before and after that fight..

[mexicanjunior]

Motherfucker was a flat out embrassment when he fought Holyfield. The 1st time as bad as that decision draw, was he had Evander standing in front of him 6th rd on, and what did Lewis do? Jab, Jab, Jab Lazy right hand, clinch hold on. Wash, rinse and repeat. The 2nd fight was maybe the most boring piece of shit i have ever seen. Same thing as the first one only with even less action, and Evander actually got off in that fight. Holyfield was easily 3 or 4 years past his best and Lewis didn't come close to getting rid of him. Oscar played it safe once, against Trinidad but he always brought it, before and after that fight..

I'll give you the Holyfield fights but the guy knocked out or stopped...

Vitali Klitschko (although it should not have been stopped)
Mike Tyson
Hasim Rahman (avenging his loss)
Michael Grant (when he was considered a contender)
Shannon Briggs (when he was considered a contender)
Andrew Golota
Oliver McCall (avenging his loss)
Tommy Morrison
Frank Bruno
Donovan Ruddock

Granted, not alot of big names on that list but he knocked out the people that were put in front of him the majority of the time. It's just a shame that Riddick Bowe didn't have the balls to fight him, throwing his belt in the garbage instead. A fight against Foreman would have been nice but I really don't think George wanted any part of that.