40-1 isn't happening

[SpursDynasty]

Book it.

[Rapper]

the opposite will happen

[anonoftheinternets]

lol

[stretch]

the opposite will happen

1-40?

that would be bad.

[Rogue]

1-40?

that would be bad.
yeah, it's so bad for you to waste a few seconds replying a post made by an idiot who was the first to feed this thread started by SD. :lol

[LEONARD]

Book it.

If there is one thing I've learned at ST, it's that anytime SpursDynasty says "BOOK IT"...DON'T!! :lol:lol

Why was this flamer un-pinked?? Couldn't it have waited til after the playoffs??

[Thunder Dan]

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http://www.kidreviewer.com/images/2007/Mar/bookit.gif

[lefty]

41-1

Book it

[Thunder Dan]

I'll be at the game, you can book that.

I hope I win a cruise or courtside seats to playoff games or Lebron's shoes or a car this year (and if I win the car I'm for sure selling that shitty Kia)

With my luck, I'll win Sasha Pavlovic's jersey or something shitty like that

[carrao45]

If there is one thing I've learned at ST, it's that anytime SpursDynasty says "BOOK IT"...DON'T!! :lol:lol

Why was this flamer un-pinked?? Couldn't it have waited til after the playoffs??
haha you woulda had a mental breakdown if your beloved SD left for that whole time. you'd have nothing to do with your obsession

[Rogue]

haha you woulda had a mental breakdown if your beloved SD left for that whole time. you'd have nothing to do with your obsession
son is BRHornet45 your brother?

[BUMP]

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[LEONARD]

haha you woulda had a mental breakdown if your beloved SD left for that whole time. you'd have nothing to do with your obsession

You're obsessed with thinking that I'm obsessed with that fucking dipshit...

It was great while he was pinked...

[BUMP]

http://espn.go.com/media/classic/2000/1219/photo/s_elway2_i.jpg

[Thunder Dan]

I'm not sure losing a record when sitting you best players would be the equivalent of other Cleveland sports collapses

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[KidCongo]

BUMP

Thankyou for the anti-jinx.

[Thunder Dan]

the 2007 Finals doesn't belong on the list of Cleveland sports meltdowns. Bump is just scraping the pan at this point. The 1995 World Series belongs before that, Cleveland had one of the best teams in MLB history and still lost in the World Series

[BUMP]

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[dirk4mvp]

the 2007 Finals doesn't belong on the list of Cleveland sports meltdowns. Bump is just scraping the pan at this point. The 1995 World Series belongs before that, Cleveland had one of the best teams in MLB history and still lost in the World Series


Don't worry. The clutchest hitter in history said he wants to be an Indian again before he retires, so you still have a chance.

[BUMP]

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[Thunder Dan]

The 95 Indians went 100-44 and still lost the World Series. That team had: 4 Hall of Famers, deep pitching, best hitting in the league and still lost. This lineup lost the world Series:

Kenny Lofton- All Star
Omar Vizquel- All Star
Carlos Bearga (hit .319 with 17 homers)- All Star
Albert Belle (50 homers. 50 doubles)- All Star
Eddie Murray- Hall of Famer
Jim Thome - All Star
Manny Ramirez- Hall of Famer
Paul Sorrento
Sandy Alomar Jr.- All Star

Pitching
Orel Hershisher- 3xAll Star
Dennis Martínez -4x All Star
Ken Hill -1x All Star
Charles Nagy- 3x All Star

Jose Mesa led the league in Saves
Lofton led the league in Stolen Bases
Belle led in RBIs and Home Runs

Won the Central by 30 games

[Thunder Dan]

now he is really scarping the bottom because nobody gives a shit about K2. If anything put a picture of Tim Couch, Courtney Brown and Gerrard Warren up there

[JoeTait75]

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/images/Bill_Wambsganss_Triple_Play.jpg

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[Thomas82]

The 95 Indians went 100-44 and still lost the World Series. That team had: 4 Hall of Famers, deep pitching, best hitting in the league and still lost. This lineup lost the world Series:

Kenny Lofton- All Star
Omar Vizquel- All Star
Carlos Bearga (hit .319 with 17 homers)- All Star
Albert Belle (50 homers. 50 doubles)- All Star
Eddie Murray- Hall of Famer
Jim Thome - All Star
Manny Ramirez- Hall of Famer
Paul Sorrento
Sandy Alomar Jr.- All Star

Pitching
Orel Hershisher- 3xAll Star
Dennis Martínez -4x All Star
Ken Hill -1x All Star
Charles Nagy- 3x All Star

Jose Mesa led the league in Saves
Lofton led the league in Stolen Bases
Belle led in RBIs and Home Runs

Won the Central by 30 games

Yeah, I remember that like it was yesterday. I still can't believe that. I still remember listening to those World Series games on the radio on the way home from my high school football games. Oh yeah, and who can forget how Jose Mesa blew the World Series for the Indians in 1997?

[JoeTait75]

The 95 Indians went 100-44 and still lost the World Series. That team had: 4 Hall of Famers, deep pitching, best hitting in the league and still lost. This lineup lost the world Series:

Kenny Lofton- All Star
Omar Vizquel- All Star
Carlos Bearga (hit .319 with 17 homers)- All Star
Albert Belle (50 homers. 50 doubles)- All Star
Eddie Murray- Hall of Famer
Jim Thome - All Star
Manny Ramirez- Hall of Famer
Paul Sorrento
Sandy Alomar Jr.- All Star

Pitching
Orel Hershisher- 3xAll Star
Dennis Martínez -4x All Star
Ken Hill -1x All Star
Charles Nagy- 3x All Star

Jose Mesa led the league in Saves
Lofton led the league in Stolen Bases
Belle led in RBIs and Home Runs

Won the Central by 30 games

We were cheated by the umpires in the World Series. They were giving Glavine and Maddux an extra foot on the outside corner.

[lefty]

http://www.nbaloud.com/images/san-antonio-spurs-with-the-championship-trophy1.jpg


http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/06/20/topper-heat.jpg

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http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/06/20/topper-heat.jpg

oh yeah i remember that year, how did we get there again?

Spurs finally repeat? NO! LOLZ
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[lefty]

oh yeah i remember that year, how did we get there again?

Spurs finally repeat? NO! LOLZ
http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0605/nba_a_nowitzki_430.jpg


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/229524265_d496861e12.jpg

[BUMP]

2006:lol

[lefty]

2006:lol
What a shitty year for both Spurs and Mavs fans :depressed

[Killakobe81]

I'll admit this I have much faith & respect for Lebron ...havent been a BIG believer ion the cavs over the Celts but now I question can the Celts do this Id stil rather face the cavs than celts in a playoff (though revenge would be sweet) because the celts are tougher and proven and would rather face the Magic than the cavs their two wins were BS and with Nelson NO WAY they beat us with Alston ...
Cavs congrats on HCA you have stayed consistently focused much of teh year well deserved ..Lebron may not be better than Kobe yet but he is the MVP ...Wade also deserves much love as well Kobe should be 3rd

[GaryJohnston]

It'll happen. Refs will make damn sure of it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I wish I were a Cavs fan since SD has made it a mission to reverse-jinx them with these threads.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And I agree with ThunderDan 2007 was not a choke job. Even before the finals people were calling that team the worst team to ever reach the finals. In order for a team to be a choker that team has to lose what they were supposed to win. Most people predicted a sweep that year.

1995 for baseball I can't even remember but 1997 wasn't a choke job either. The Marlins are great at being cheap for 5-6 years and then buying another world series. Their team was stacked that year, and of course they sold the entire team off after the series.

[JoeTait75]

And I agree with ThunderDan 2007 was not a choke job. Even before the finals people were calling that team the worst team to ever reach the finals. In order for a team to be a choker that team has to lose what they were supposed to win. Most people predicted a sweep that year.


Agree. Cavaliers had no chance to win that series. Had they won, it would have been the greatest upset in Finals history by far. Our boys just went up against superior manpower and superior firepower and got beat. I didn't like getting swept, but that's the way it goes sometimes. They overachieved just to get to that point.


1995 for baseball I can't even remember but 1997 wasn't a choke job either. The Marlins are great at being cheap for 5-6 years and then buying another world series. Their team was stacked that year, and of course they sold the entire team off after the series

1997 was a choke. Not only did the Tribe blow Game 7 in the bottom of the ninth, they also blew two games at the Jake in which they had multiple-run leads late. They should have won it in five. '95 was a combination of inexperience vs. experience, Carlos Baerga being a black hole (three times making the last out with Albert Belle on deck in one-run games) bullshit home-plate umpiring, and having to start the series in Atlanta. I was so happy to see the Tribe in the World Series I almost didn't care that they lost.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

1997 was a choke. Not only did the Tribe blow Game 7 in the bottom of the ninth, they also blew two games at the Jake in which they had multiple-run leads late. They should have won it in five. '95 was a combination of inexperience vs. experience, Carlos Baerga being a black hole (three times making the last out with Albert Belle on deck in one-run games) bullshit home-plate umpiring, and having to start the series in Atlanta. I was so happy to see the Tribe in the World Series I almost didn't care that they lost.

Well I wish I could say I remembered the 1997 WS but I was only 7 :lol

All I remember was Florida having a stacked ass rotation and a team they basically bought.

As far as buying a world series goes, the 2001 D-Backs are still the best. They had to buy Johnson and Schilling. Not only did they buy Louis Gonzalez and Steve Finley, they also had to buy the steroids for those two to have the fluke career year they had.

[JoeTait75]

Well I wish I could say I remembered the 1997 WS but I was only 7 :lol

All I remember was Florida having a stacked ass rotation and a team they basically bought.

Oh, they had a good team, no doubt. Bonilla, Moises Alou, Renteria, Charles Johnson, Kevin Brown, Robb Nen, etc.

[The_Dude]

Cavs are resting starters - I don't expect them to win tonight.

SD just trying to make the easiest call of the year so he can try to save face. :lol

[Thunder Dan]

The actual choke in 1997 was Tony Fernandez letting a ball go through his legs in the 11th inning which would have been a double play ball to end the inning. That put the runner on base, extended the inning...and well, you know the rest.

I don't think the 97 World Series gets enough credit in the land of all time chokes. Everyone talks about the Drive and Fumble, but the 97 World Series is right up there. I mean you have one of the best closers in the game choking, and then Tony Fernandez, a Gold Glove 2nd Baseman letting a ball go through his legs.

I can't even find the footage on video anywhere

http://a.espncdn.com/i/page2/photos/040713fernandez.jpg

this is the only photo I could find. But there are books written about the other chokes. This one is forgotten when it is actually probably the best of all. Check out those mom pants Tony is sporting

[Thunder Dan]

For the record, I cried when the Indians lost the World Series in 1997. I was just turning 12 and all I wanted was for my grandpa to see the Indians win a World Series before he died. He had season tickets right behind the dugout for as long as I could remember. I went to probably 20-25 games a year, including every Sunday with him. I used to go up to the old stadium and watch them but not even care about who won or anything. When I got older in 1994 I started to understand it and follow it more. Anyways, in 1995 I wasn't that upset, but in 1997 I felt like it was the last shot at them winning while he was still alive....well good news and bad news. The good news is he is still alive, but the bad news is out favorite team is still the Indians and they are not winning anything any time soon. We still have tickets and actually took him to the Yankees game made infamous by Lebron wearing a Yankees hat. So I guess you could say we were close in 2007 and would of won if we had beaten Boston 1 more time, but there is nothing like Game Seven, Bottom of the 9th with 2 outs to go.

and I didn't cry in 2007. I went to Game 6 when Beckett pitched like a 3 hit shutout- I was frankly really stoned and drunk sitting in the very last section of the stadium, so I could have given a shit about my feelings after that one. And Game 7 (which I still think was fixed becuase they squeezed Carmona in the 1st so Drew hit that Grand Slam) I just got really pissed for watching the game on my friends great Plasma Tv, which is also a jinx box because every time I watch a game on there my team loses. Happened the whole NBA Finals, 3 Ohio State National Championships, Game 3 of the Yanks series, and Game 1 of the Boston series. Still to this day its a jinx. Game Seven vs. the Celtics last year? Watched it on that TV. To this day I won't watch it on there

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

TD, anything involving the Marlins will never get talked about :lol. The 2003 Yankees had no business blowing a 2-1 series lead on Florida but the 2003 ALCS gets so much attention that the Yankees are treated like the 2003 WS champs.

If you walked up to 10 people who fancied themselves as baseball fans and asked, "What team is the only team besides the Red Sox and the Yankees to have won more than 1 WS in the last 12 years?", I doubt 3 would be able to tell you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

For the record, I cried when the Indians lost the World Series in 1997.

You'd think that's bad but when I was 11 I cried because the Suns traded Jason Kidd in what was one of the most underrated retard trades in human history.

[Thunder Dan]

All I know is that I'm prepared this year to face the letdown when the Cavs fail to win somehow. I know it won't happen in a normal circumstance, that something memorable will have to happen. It's such a sinking feeling to be a Cleveland fan. You have to keep everything in perspective. That is why we are so sensitive to the Lebron to New York talks. Has there been anything concrete about him leaving? no, unless you call wearing a hat his way of showing, but that is stupid. But Cleveland fans find the negative and slowly try and prepare themselves for the let down to come. Like going into the playoffs, I'm thinking "this should be fun to see the Cavs this year" but I'm also thinking that we probably won't win, and to be ready when we lose in the 2nd round or some other bullshit. Same goes for 2010, I haven't seen any reason for Lebron to leave, yet, I have already prepared myself for him leaving

That is what makes Cleveland fans different. The glass is always half empty, always.

[JoeTait75]

The actual choke in 1997 was Tony Fernandez letting a ball go through his legs in the 11th inning which would have been a double play ball to end the inning. That put the runner on base, extended the inning...and well, you know the rest.

I don't think the 97 World Series gets enough credit in the land of all time chokes. Everyone talks about the Drive and Fumble, but the 97 World Series is right up there. I mean you have one of the best closers in the game choking, and then Tony Fernandez, a Gold Glove 2nd Baseman letting a ball go through his legs.

I can't even find the footage on video anywhere

http://a.espncdn.com/i/page2/photos/040713fernandez.jpg

this is the only photo I could find. But there are books written about the other chokes. This one is forgotten when it is actually probably the best of all. Check out those mom pants Tony is sporting

Tony did hit the GW home run in Game 6 of the ALCS off Armando Benitez.

The real choke came in the top of the ninth, when the Tribe led 2-1, had first and third with one out and couldn't get the insurance run in. That was the killer.

[BUMP]

All I know is that I'm prepared this year to face the letdown when the Cavs fail to win somehow. I know it won't happen in a normal circumstance, that something memorable will have to happen. It's such a sinking feeling to be a Cleveland fan. You have to keep everything in perspective. That is why we are so sensitive to the Lebron to New York talks. Has there been anything concrete about him leaving? no, unless you call wearing a hat his way of showing, but that is stupid. But Cleveland fans find the negative and slowly try and prepare themselves for the let down to come. Like going into the playoffs, I'm thinking "this should be fun to see the Cavs this year" but I'm also thinking that we probably won't win, and to be ready when we lose in the 2nd round or some other bullshit. Same goes for 2010, I haven't seen any reason for Lebron to leave, yet, I have already prepared myself for him leaving

That is what makes Cleveland fans different. The glass is always half empty, always.

Muhahahahahhaahahahahahahaha

actually as a Mav fan i feel the same way:depressed

[BUMP]

i guess teams from South Florida that are underdogs continue to haunt Cleveland and Dallas fans alike when they meet in the Finals of the respective sports

[Thunder Dan]

this year will end with a game where Lebron goes like 3/14 from the line and they lose by a point. Something along those lines. It won't be another game winner. That's what makes Jordan's shot different in the perspective of Cleveland chokes. That was an individual performance. Normally the chokes are, what if this happened. Like what if they kicked the FG instead of Red Right 88, or what if Byner didn't fumble, this year will be no different

[Old Loaf]

http://www.rotorob.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/Dirk_Nowitzki2.jpg

[Thunder Dan]

i guess teams from South Florida that are underdogs continue to haunt Cleveland and Dallas fans alike when they meet in the Finals of the respective sports

But you guys atleast have the Cowboys who have won something. I mean what is going on here in Cleveland is pretty impressive. All of our sports teams are choking, and have been since the mid 60's. I mean each franchise has their own mega choke. Every one of them. That is pretty impressive. Hell, even our college team is starting down that path. It's like a virus.

[JoeTait75]

i guess teams from South Florida that are underdogs continue to haunt Cleveland and Dallas fans alike when they meet in the Finals of the respective sports

Look on the bright side: at least you own the city of Buffalo.

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/xxvii.jpg

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[Thunder Dan]

if the Cavs lose in the first round to the Pistons I won't post on here anymore because I will have jumped off a bridge. I'm prepared for a loss to Boston or LA, and still coming around to Orlando, but if we lose in the first round I'm not going to be able to take that.

[BUMP]

But you guys atleast have the Cowboys who have won something. I mean what is going on here in Cleveland is pretty impressive. All of our sports teams are choking, and have been since the mid 60's. I mean each franchise has their own mega choke. Every one of them. That is pretty impressive. Hell, even our college team is starting down that path. It's like a virus.

the only pride with the Cowboys is that with past success, we are like the Yankees of the NFL. we're always the center of attention and everywhere we go, stadiums sellout.

as far as dwelling on championships won over a decade ago, i dont like to do that unlike other fans

*cough*cough*Rockets*cough*

[Thunder Dan]

the only pride with the Cowboys is that with past success, we are like the Yankees of the NFL. we're always the center of attention and everywhere we go, stadiums sellout.

as far as dwelling on championships won over a decade ago, i dont like to do that unlike other fans

*cough*cough*Rockets*cough*

Yeah I get that. I'm not looking for bragging rights. I just honestly do not know what it feels like to see and experience a team you follow win a championship. I mean the closest I have gotten in pro sports is having my team atop a Power Rankings for a week. Hell, even Ohio State in 2002 was marked by most because of the pass interference call. So we didn't even get to soak it in.

The only parade I have experienced is for the Indians for losing the World Series. That is what it has come to. Our fans go to the airport to welcome our team that just lost home, and we throw parades for them.

[Ghazi]

Just for the record, there's a difference between choking and getting shafted by refs and half court bull shit buzzer beating 3-pointers.

Just wanted to clear that up.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Look on the bright side: at least you own the city of Buffalo.

And Phoenix owns NY

The D-Backs beat the Yankees in 2001, and there was that scene in spacejam where Barkley was destroying the Knicks. That's ownage if I've ever seen it :lol

[Thunder Dan]

My uncle is friends with Carlos Baerga, and he gave my mom a bottle of champagne that the Indians would have used to celebrate a 1997 World Series. It says 1997 World Champions Cleveland Indians. It still sits on the bar at my parents' house and everytime I look at it, it seems strange that she keeps it. Like would a Yankees fan keep that? We hold onto shit to signify our loss

[JoeTait75]

And Phoenix owns NY

The D-Backs beat the Yankees in 2001, and there was that scene in spacejam where Barkley was destroying the Knicks. That's ownage if I've ever seen it :lol

Don't forget Death Wish, when ex-pacifist Charles Bronson comes back from a vacation in Phoenix with a .32 and and blows away every mugger in NYC.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Don't forget Death Wish, when ex-pacifist Charles Bronson comes back from a vacation in Phoenix with a .32 and and blows away every mugger in NYC.

I've never even heard of that movie but it doesn't surprise me given Phoenix's complete ownage of that inferior city.

[JoeTait75]

I've never even heard of that movie but it doesn't surprise me given Phoenix's complete ownage of that inferior city.

http://chasness.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/death_wish.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2008-04/37931867.jpg
This is the worst of all for them...ah..at that point, a sporting event hadn't made me cheer quite as loud.

[JoeTait75]

This is the worst of all for them...ah..at that point, a sporting event hadn't made me cheer quite as loud.

Nothing was worse than the Drive.

[Allanon]

40-1 is pretty much still up in the air right now. It's for the Cavs to decide pretty much....Is it worth the record for possible injury and less rest? Playoffs start on Saturday.

Philly gets Boston today and the Celtics have nothing to play for and a reason to help Philly get the win since the Celtics own the original 40-1.

If Philly wins, they're still playing for the #6 spot tomorrow versus the Cavs.

[layupdrill]

Cavs are gonna get win 40 guaranteed

[Jacob1983]

The 1995 Braves were a better team than the 1995 Indians. That's why the Braves won the World Series that year. They were the better team.

Even if the Cavs lose their final home game, going 39-2 at home is pretty impressive.

[Pelicans78]

The 1995 Braves were a better team than the 1995 Indians. That's why the Braves won the World Series that year. They were the better team.

Even if the Cavs lose their final home game, going 39-2 at home is pretty impressive.

Braves had the better pitching, but the Indians offense was filthy. Downright scary. They were 100-44 that season. Manny, Thome, Belle, Lofton, Baerga, Sorrento/Winfield, Murray.

[Pelicans78]

Nothing was worse than the Drive.

I thought Byner's fumble was pretty bad too.

[Pelicans78]

Don't forget Death Wish, when ex-pacifist Charles Bronson comes back from a vacation in Phoenix with a .32 and and blows away every mugger in NYC.

Best movie ever. I watched all five movies. He kept going back and forth from NY to LA.

[Jacob1983]

The Braves' lineup and starting rotation was way better than the Indians. Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz were amazing pitchers that year and when they were in their prime. And the Braves also had David Justice, Chipper Jones, Ryan Klesko, Javy Lopez, Fred McGriff, etc....
The Braves were the better team. Case closed.

[Pelicans78]

The Braves' lineup and starting rotation was way better than the Indians. Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz were amazing pitchers that year and when they were in their prime. And the Braves also had David Justice, Chipper Jones, Ryan Klesko, Javy Lopez, Fred McGriff, etc....
The Braves were the better team. Case closed.

Braves were the better overall team mainly due to starting pitching since good pitching beats good hitting. But the Indians had the best offense in baseball. Chipper was just a rookie and had solid numbers but not great. No one on the Braves put up anywhere near the numbers Belle put up. Manny was better than Klesko. Thome too. It's close, but the Indians had the edge. Braves starting pitching was the key and Mark Wohlers in the pen. Braves should have won back-to-back but Wohlers blew Game 4 allowing Leyritz to hit a 3-run shot. :bang

[Jacob1983]

Good point but the Braves were the ones that got the rings, not the Indians.

[JoeTait75]

Braves had the better pitching, but the Indians offense was filthy. Downright scary. They were 100-44 that season. Manny, Thome, Belle, Lofton, Baerga, Sorrento/Winfield, Murray.

Manny Ramirez hit seventh in that lineup. Seventh. Sixth against lefties. Just a stupid lineup. But Atlanta had way, way more experience. The core of that Braves team had been to two World Series. Cleveland hadn't even made the postseason since 1954. Four years earlier, while the core of that Atlanta team was going to its first World Series, the Indians were losing 105 games. The experience disparity really showed in that series.

Still, that was an unbelievable team. To go from years and years of losing to having that kind of talent, almost overnight, was unreal.

[JoeTait75]

I thought Byner's fumble was pretty bad too.

The Drive was worse because it was in Cleveland, and because the Browns had that game won. It was like slow torture. Elway relentlessly and systematically took apart the dreams of an entire city in 15 agonizing plays, and he did it right in front of us. It was unbearable. Other than MJ, Elway was the most terrifying player in any sport to face if you were rooting for the other team. The man was capable of anything.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Cardinal's choke job this year was pretty epic. That soft zone coverage prevent D they had been getting burned by all year reared its ugly head on the Steeler's final drive because Clancy Pendergast is retarded.

[The_Dude]

Coach Mike Brown announced at shootaround this morning that LeBron James, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Mo Williams, Joe Smith and Ben Wallace will sit out tonight regular season finale at Quicken Loans Arena against the Philadelphia 76ers, in order to rest before the start of this weekend's playoffs.

[KSeal]

Wow, they're going to lose for sure then. Philly is actually playing for something, they better win without the entire Cavs team playing.

[Thunder Dan]

The Braves' lineup and starting rotation was way better than the Indians. Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and John Smoltz were amazing pitchers that year and when they were in their prime. And the Braves also had David Justice, Chipper Jones, Ryan Klesko, Javy Lopez, Fred McGriff, etc....
The Braves were the better team. Case closed.

yeah right. The Indians had 4 Hall of Famers in their lineup, Murray, Winfield, Thome, and Ramirez- and Belle, Baerga, and Lofton were all All Stars in their Prime. It's proof that the Indians were better as they finished 10 games up on the Braves that year

[Thunder Dan]

Also, the 1995 Indians team ERA was 3.82, and the Braves was 3.44. So it's not like the Braves were that much better in pitching.

[Jacob1983]

I agree that the Indians had great players and some Hall of Fame players but the Braves were the same. Are you going to tell me that Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux, and Jones are not Hall of Fame players?

[IronMexican]

Jones isn't making the HoF. His legacy is now tarnished. People were calling him borderline before his absolutely HORRIBLE 2007 and 2008. Now, no chance he gets in playing the way he is playing.

[Jacob1983]

Okay, but what about Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz?

[Thunder Dan]

I'm not saying the Braves sucked. I'm just saying that when a team goes 100-44, 1st in hitting and 2nd in pitching, losing in the World Series is a let down. They were the best team in baseball that year by 10 whole games.

In 1997 I think they were 4th or 5th best and choked in the World Series so it's a different kind of choke

[Pelicans78]

Jones isn't making the HoF. His legacy is now tarnished. People were calling him borderline before his absolutely HORRIBLE 2007 and 2008. Now, no chance he gets in playing the way he is playing.

If you're talking about Andruw Jones, you're right. But we're talking about Chipper who was a rookie that season. I think Chipper will make the HoF. Andruw probably won't.

[Pelicans78]

I'm not saying the Braves sucked. I'm just saying that when a team goes 100-44, 1st in hitting and 2nd in pitching, losing in the World Series is a let down. They were the best team in baseball that year by 10 whole games.

In 1997 I think they were 4th or 5th best and choked in the World Series so it's a different kind of choke

Right. Baltimore was probably the best team in the regular season. Cleveland had a good team but weren't expected to beat Baltimore.

[Pelicans78]

I agree that the Indians had great players and some Hall of Fame players but the Braves were the same. Are you going to tell me that Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux, and Jones are not Hall of Fame players?

I think we're debating that Cleveland had the best offense that season. Obviously Atlanta had the better starting pitching, but that season Cleveland by far put up the best numbers. Growing up in Mississippi, I grew up a Braves fan and was terrified of the Indians offense. Atlanta had great players as well, especially the pitching and McGriff, Justice, Lopez, Klesko, Chipper as a rookie, and Grissom, but Cleveland had Lofton, Baerga, Belle, Thome, Manny, Sorrento/Winfield, and Murray.

[LEONARD]

SD knew the Cavs would bench their entire team...he's a fuckin' genius!!

I went against the grain (ie, betting the opposite of SD's word) and bet heavy on the Cavs to lose tonight...

[monosylab1k]

Jones isn't making the HoF. His legacy is now tarnished. People were calling him borderline before his absolutely HORRIBLE 2007 and 2008. Now, no chance he gets in playing the way he is playing.

Chipper played pretty well the last 2 seasons. He's borderline for the HOF as it is.

If you're talking Andruw Jones, I don't know why you're even talking Andruw in the HOF. He never has been and never will be anything remotely resembling a Hall Of Fame baseball player. He was never borderline ever. He just isn't a good enough player.

This is the baseball Hall of Fame which is far different than football or basketball. Not every swingin dick gets voted in. If Andruw Jones ever got even mentioned as being a barely borderline HOF player, then Fred McGriff is gonna be really really pissed off. Because McGriff >>>>>>>>>>> Andruw Jones, and McGriff doesn't belong in the Hall Of Fame.

[Jacob1983]

Hall of Famer or not, Chipper Jones will go down as a great player. And it doesn't matter if he has fallen off a bit recently. Besides, if he doesn't get into the HOF, he will probably get his number retired by the Braves.

[resistanze]

Albert Belle should go to the HOF. I love that bastard.

But he took a shit on the media so they'll never let him in.

[Thomas82]

Whoever started this thread was right, but only because the Cavs didn't care about this game.

[GuerillaBlack]

LOL, SpursDynasty was right.