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Blake
04-15-2009, 09:43 AM
Former State Dept. Lawyer Describes Bush Administration's Gimto Interrogations As Torture


(CBS/AP) A former State Department lawyer tells The Associated Press that the Bush administration panicked after 9/11 and tortured prisoners.

Former President George W. Bush denied anyone was tortured. But Vijay Padmanabhan is at least the second insider to publicly describe as torture the so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" used by the U.S.

Padmanabhan was the department's chief counsel on Guantanamo litigation. He says it was "foolish" for the Bush administration to declare that detainees were beyond the reach of U.S. and international laws and the Geneva Conventions.

He told the AP Friday that "Guantanamo was one of the worst overreactions of the Bush administration."

Last week, another former official in the Bush State Department publicly criticized the administration for its Guantanamo policies.

Lawrence B. Wilkerson, who served as chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, said many detainees locked up in the prison camp were innocent swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants

"There are still innocent people there," Wilkerson told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

Wilkerson, who first made the assertions in an Internet posting, told the AP he learned from briefings and by communicating with military commanders that the U.S. soon realized many Guantanamo detainees were innocent but nevertheless held them in hopes they could provide information for a "mosaic" of intelligence.

"It did not matter if a detainee were innocent. Indeed, because he lived in Afghanistan and was captured on or near the battle area, he must know something of importance," Wilkerson wrote in the blog. He said intelligence analysts hoped to gather "sufficient information about a village, a region, or a group of individuals, that dots could be connected and terrorists or their plots could be identified."

Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel, said vetting on the battlefield during the early stages of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan was incompetent with no meaningful attempt to discriminate "who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation."

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney fought efforts to address the situation, Wilkerson said, because "to have admitted this reality would have been a black mark on their leadership."

Wilkerson told the AP in a telephone interview that many detainees "clearly had no connection to al Qaeda and the Taliban and were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Pakistanis turned many over for $5,000 a head."

Some 800 men have been held at Guantanamo since the prison opened in January 2002, and 240 remain. Wilkerson said two dozen are terrorists, including confessed Sept. 11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was transferred to Guantanamo from CIA custody in September 2006.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/27/politics/main4897315.shtml

FaithInOne
04-15-2009, 11:16 AM
So free them all.

Blake
04-15-2009, 11:19 AM
Mohammed al-Gharani, who has spent seven years in the camp, said that he had been hit with batons until his teeth broke and tear-gassed after refusing to leave his cell. The mistreatment started 20 days before Barack Obama became the American president, he said.
"Since then I've been subjected to it almost every day," he said. "Since Obama took charge he has not shown us that anything will change."

He's been there 7 years during the Bush era, but his mistreatment started after Obama took office?

Doubtful.

DarrinS
04-15-2009, 11:46 AM
Gitmo prisoner: Nothing's changed since Obama.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5157102/Guantanamo-inmate-is-first-to-speak-from-inside-camp.html

Blake
04-15-2009, 01:36 PM
He's been there 7 years during the Bush era, but his mistreatment started after Obama took office?

Doubtful.


I misread it. I thought it said 20 days after he took office.

Blake
04-15-2009, 01:50 PM
Gitmo prisoner: Nothing's changed since Obama.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5157102/Guantanamo-inmate-is-first-to-speak-from-inside-camp.html

Obama is shutting down the camp. That's a change.

Viva Las Espuelas
04-15-2009, 03:55 PM
Obama is shutting down the camp. That's a change.
and he's making damn sure these terrorists won't hurt one hair of any american's head. this i'm sure. he thought this out.



hmmm. didn't an inmate kill someone or a whole family that was released from california not too long ago due to overpopulation or for being poorly funded? ahh. surely terrorist won't behave the same.

Wild Cobra
04-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Obama is shutting down the camp. That's a change.
We need a V-Bookie bet on if that really happens...

I'll bet it to be another broken promise!

LnGrrrR
04-15-2009, 05:00 PM
and he's making damn sure these terrorists won't hurt one hair of any american's head. this i'm sure. he thought this out.



hmmm. didn't an inmate kill someone or a whole family that was released from california not too long ago due to overpopulation or for being poorly funded? ahh. surely terrorist won't behave the same.

Viva, do you know how liberty works in this country? Are you aware that in order to preserve liberty, we must also take risks?

Viva Las Espuelas
04-15-2009, 05:09 PM
Viva, do you know how liberty works in this country? Are you aware that in order to preserve liberty, we must also take risks?a certain ben franklin quote comes to mind.

LnGrrrR
04-15-2009, 05:11 PM
a certain ben franklin quote comes to mind.

Exactly. Are you ok with just locking people up without trials indefinitely?

Spurtacular
07-20-2019, 06:03 PM
Obama is shutting down the camp. That's a change.

:lol Good call, cuck.

Blake
07-20-2019, 10:59 PM
Derp used his Saturday night to search through a decade with of posts to finally find something I was wrong on.

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 03:15 AM
Derp used his Saturday night to search through a decade with of posts to finally find something I was wrong on.

:lmao "finally"
:lmao 'Self awereness: 7'
:lmao Dumb fucking cuck.

Winehole23
07-21-2019, 01:11 PM
^^^ the Sisyphus of Cuckback Mountain seems to have a thing for Blake

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 01:20 PM
Blakehole sticking up for his cuck buddy....

Pavlov
07-21-2019, 01:22 PM
Blakehole sticking up for his cuck buddy....Why did you bump all these old Blake threads?

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 01:36 PM
Why did you bump all these old Blake threads?

https://gifed.video/gif/001/snow-covered-fir-trees-in-a-blizzard.gif

Pavlov
07-21-2019, 01:37 PM
:lol I made derp shut the fuck up:tu

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 01:39 PM
:lol I made derp shut the fuck up:tu

:lol I answered your question, dumb ass.
:lol So desperate for a W.

Pavlov
07-21-2019, 01:43 PM
:lol I answered your question, dumb ass.
:lol So desperate for a W.What was the answer in words?

I didn't see it.

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 01:48 PM
What was the answer in words?

I didn't see it.

It was a communicative answer.

I can see how it wasn't enough for you though, snowflake.

Pavlov
07-21-2019, 01:52 PM
It was a communicative answer.Nope, it doesn't explain why you took the time to search for, read and bump those threads.

Why?

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 01:54 PM
Nope

Pyshcopav truth / white flag.

Pavlov
07-21-2019, 01:55 PM
Pyshcopav truth / white flag.Why did you take the time to search for, read and bump those Blake threads?

Blake
07-21-2019, 02:52 PM
:lol I answered your question, dumb ass.
:lol So desperate for a W.

Lol no you didn't. You're the one so desperate for a W that you have to lie.

What makes your lying really pathetic is that it's really easy to debunk your lies. Like we only have to go a few posts up

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 06:22 PM
Lol no you didn't. You're the one so desperate for a W that you have to lie.


Everyone knows you're a moron. You don't have to re-prove it.

Blake
07-21-2019, 07:37 PM
Everyone knows you're a moron. You don't have to re-prove it.

Sure, liar

Spurtacular
07-21-2019, 11:21 PM
Sure, liar

Cuck in high voice today.

Quadzilla99
07-23-2019, 07:08 PM
Derp used his Saturday night to search through a decade with of posts to finally find something I was wrong on.

:lol