Who are the Spurs biggest rivals

[Blake]

real close between mavs and lakers....

my coin flip said lakers

[Sean Higgins]

bucks mavs lakers

[Bukefal]

The fakers of courseeeeee

[HiLouis!]

as far as hatred between fans and cities goes? I'd say mavs, suns, lakers and hornets are all near the top, and personally I'd put them in that order. Having a douchebag roommate from Mansfield "loves" the mavs and can only name three of their players (brandon brass is apparently a keeper) fuels a lot of that hate so i'm not very impartial.

For the team themselves, I'd go lakers, mavs, hornets, suns. Because the suns aren't really competition anymore and have moved into the pity stage. You can tell the Spurs players absolutely hate losing to any of those teams.

[alchemist]

sorry but the Lakers are not our rivals, they have owned the Spurs this decade :depressed

[it's me]

There is a big difference between rival and bitch … suns qualify for the second…. To me…Lakers are the only real rival in that list.

[lefty]

Lakers.

By a long shot

[Longley]

There is a big difference between rival and bitch … suns qualify for the second…. To me…Lakers are the only real rival in that list.


Cant agree more!:flag:

[SpuronyourFace]

Fans treat rivalries like flavors of the month, This year its the lakers, last couple the Suns,

...but the Mavs year in and year out our our main rival.

[SpuronyourFace]

There is a big difference between rival and bitch … suns qualify for the second.

QFT

:toast

[Dex]

Fans treat rivalries like flavors of the month, This year its the lakers, last couple the Suns,

...but the Mavs year in and year out our our main rival.

Where were you in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2007?

Mavs put up a great fight in 2006, and the Suns have certainly been pesky.

But 7 of the past 10 championships have gone between San Antonio and LA, with them having squared off five times, and each victor earning a Finals trip. That's what I call a rivalry.

[GSH]

There is a big difference between rival and bitch … suns qualify for the second…. To me…Lakers are the only real rival in that list.


Nothing more to say.

[it's me]

:lmao @ the Mavs being rivals….. there is probably (just probably) a regional rivalry…. but after all, Mavs and Spurs belong to different categories… Spurs= proven champs/elite Mavs=wannabe/failure.

Edit:

and a big :lmao @ Mavs fans voting themselves as the biggest rivals:lol

[sananspursfan21]

i picked rockets... call me crazy. the lakers and mavs are made out to be the spurs biggest rivals by the nba media but the truth is that the spurs have kinda been no match for the lakers for most of the past 10 years and the other than 2006, the mavs haven't been much of a problem for the spurs.

i picked the rockets because when these two play each other, it seems like most every game is close and the records against each other are probably close to even.

that was my pick and explanation

[Loquacist]

Fakers.

ALWAYS will be the Fakers.

[SpuronyourFace]

Where were you in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2007?

Mavs put up a great fight in 2006, and the Suns have certainly been pesky.

But 7 of the past 10 championships have gone between San Antonio and LA, with them having squared off five times, and each victor earning a Finals trip. That's what I call a rivalry.

I didn't mean to imply that the lakers are not a rival to us, of course they are. They have been our biggest rival over the last 8 years. I just consider the Mavs our MAIN rival because of the division, Cuban, and general dislike between the fans regionally.

[sananspursfan21]

bucks mavs lakers

what? why the bucks?

[Loquacist]

sorry but the Lakers are not our rivals, they have owned the Spurs this decade :depressed


Yeah right! They were nothing in between 2005-2007, missing the playoffs, losing to Suns, mediocre team.


Los Angeles last won the NBA title in 2002. Spurs have won it 3 times since!

[sananspursfan21]

Yeah right! They were nothing in between 2005-2007, missing the playoffs, losing to Suns, mediocre team.


Los Angeles last won the NBA title in 2002. Spurs have won it 3 times since!

right, but when the spurs have played the lakers, often times it wasn't very pretty

[ElNono]

Let's put it this way: The Duncan's led Spurs have only lost playoffs series to the Lakers. And once, to the Mavs. That's it. So Lakers go in the forefront, with the Mavs on a distant second place.

[Halberto]

The Lakers are our rivals.... the mavs are more like our red headed step brother

[it's me]

The Lakers are our rivals.... the mavs are more like our red headed step brother


:lmao

[JudynTX]

My vote went to the Fakers.

FTL

[drinkycrow]

fuck LA!!! my vote went to the rapers, but how come the pistons aren't even on there? does no one remember the early aughts?

[IronMexican]

Nice to see you guys still hate the Lakers.

[Strike]

I don't "hate" the Lakers. I actually (covering head now) like the Lakers when they are not playing the Spurs. How can one not respect the battles between these two teams in the Duncan/Kobe era? Granted, the Lakers have more ownage on the Spurs on a series by series basis. But I look forward to a possible Lakers/Spurs matchup every year in the playoffs. I was sure it was going to be Spurs/Lakers part 7 in the Conference finals this year before Ginobili went down. Now I'm hoping but not expecting it.

EDIT: How can anyone call the Suns a rival? The only time the Suns have downed the Spurs in the playoffs post-Jordan was in 2000 when Duncan was out. San Antonio OWNS Phoenix, pure and simple.

[whottt]

Lakers, no one else even comes close.

And I'm sorry but anyone that thinks Mav, Sun, Jazz or even Rocket Fan can hold a candle to bandwagon LakerFan as far as sheer obnoxiousness, well you just haven't been a Spur fan long enough.

They're tame now and their numbers are small from a 5 year title drought....hopefully it'll stay that way.

There is no bigger dickhead, ass, punk, douchebag in all of Pro Sports fandom than bandwagon Lakerfan....and what really proves what punks they are is that soon as the Lakers lose or aren't winning as much, they disappear as quickly as they arrived.

[Strike]

There is no bigger dickhead, ass, punk, douchebag in all of Pro Sports fandom than bandwagon Lakerfan.

I disagree. Maybe in basketball but overall in the 3 major sports, no one and I mean NO ONE is worse than YankeeFan.

[whottt]

At least Yankee Fan has a reason to talk shit as they far and away the best baseball team in history.

The Lakers are not....the Celtics are. Yet the Lakers talk more shit than any other two teams fans combined.


I remember being told Celtic Fan was the biggest douche in pro-Sports and that I would see it as soon as the Celtics won a title...

That simply hasn't been the case. Sure there are few more Celtic doucebags than there were before, but it's not an infestation like it becomes when the Lakers win.

When the Lakers win you will not find a Spurs board or basketball board that isn't infested with incredibly stupid douchebag Laker Fans that know nothing about the game.

[Strike]

At least Yankee Fan has a reason to talk shit as they far and away the best baseball team in history.

The Lakers are not....the Celtics are.

Maybe so. But success does not justify douchebaggery. Especially in the "what have you done for me lately" world of pro sports.

[2Cleva]

In the past 30 years of NBA basketball no one is close to the Lakers.

The Celtics have to reach back to the 60s to become more relevant.

[whottt]

Um...no team has ever been another teams bitch to the degree that the Lakers are the Celtics bitch...

I don't have to go back 30 years to prove this...I can simply go back to last year.

[whottt]

And the Lakers haven't won a title in 5+ years, that's ancient history as far as I'm concerned.

[Loquacist]

Spurs: 3 titles since 2002

Lakers: NO titles since 2002

[IronMexican]

sons I don't give a fuck about the past 5 years. All that matters right now is 2009.

[it's me]

In the past 10 years of NBA basketball no one is close to the Spurs.

The Lakers have to reach back to the 80s to become more relevant.

Fixed for you..... :toast I mean…. if you want to talk just about the present… a 10 years range is much more reasonable.

NBA history wise… sorry Faker fan but the Celtics win.
:lol

[Strike]

Meh I don't feel like arguing over who's fans are bigger douchebags with a fellow Spurs fan. I'll just agree to disagree and say while you make good points I still have to vote for YankeeFan. LakerFan definitely rates a very close second based on my personal experience. I know no Yankee fans who are not complete and total cock-gobblers. I know a few Laker fans who aren't.

[whottt]

Seriously, how many finals have the Celtics beaten the Lakers in? Like 9 or 10 or something like that?


No team is the greatest anything when you have lost 10 fucking times to another team in Finals.


In fact you should you kill yourself if that has happened to your team, because what that makes that team is the biggest bitch in all of pro-sports history. Even if you win the next 20 titles you will still have a bitch status to another team unmatched in any other pro-sport.

Take gun.
Put in mouth.
Pull trigger.

[Loquacist]

Celtics-Lakers "rivalry" in the NBA Finals:






1959 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–0
1962 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1962_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–3
1963 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–2
1965 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–1
1966 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–3
1968 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–2
1969 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1969_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–3
1984 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–3
1985 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_NBA_Finals), Los Angeles win 4–2
1987 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_NBA_Finals), Los Angeles win 4–2
2008 Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NBA_Finals), Boston win 4–2

[IronMexican]

:lol

Lakers are 8-3 all time vs the Spurs in the playoffs, but you wont see many Laker fans claiming that the Lakers own the Spurs. Whatever, brah.

[Spursmania]

Lakers of course. Mavs -they have only made some noise in 2006 playoffs. Hardly enough to be considered a rival. Suns, well we own them.

[IronMexican]

And that goes back to the 80's, not the 60's.

[IronMexican]

So you might as well go and pull the triggerm whottt.

[whottt]

Meh I don't feel like arguing over who's fans are bigger douchebags with a fellow Spurs fan. I'll just agree to disagree and say while you make good points I still have to vote for YankeeFan. LakerFan definitely rates a very close second based on my personal experience. I know no Yankee fans who are not complete and total cock-gobblers. I know a few Laker fans who aren't.

I'll admit it's a competitive race...

CowboyFan is in that race too...and I'm a Cowboy fan. But they have some of the worst douchebag bandwagon fans as well.


As far as non-marquee franchises...RocketFan does rank among the top douchebags in all of pro-sports.


As far as fans of teams that haven't won shit, Mav and Sun Fan are both top 5 douchebags.


I will say that LakerFan does at least have more reason to talk shit than Mav or Sun Fan, but like I said earlier, LakerFans infest when their team wins...all having the audacity to proclaim thier franchise as the greatest, when they don't have as many titles as the Celtics, and when they are indeed the Celtics bitch like no other team is anothers bitch.

[Loquacist]

:lol

Lakers are 8-3 all time vs the Spurs in the playoffs, but you wont see many Laker fans claiming that the Lakers own the Spurs. Whatever, brah.



Uh, I've heard Lakers fans say that all the time.

[IronMexican]

Uh, I've heard Lakers fans say that all the time.

I hear Spurfans throw in Lakers are 2-9 more than the Lakerfans bring up the Lakers are 8-3 vs the Spurs.

[Strike]

:lol

Lakers are 8-3 all time vs the Spurs in the playoffs, but you wont see many Laker fans claiming that the Lakers own the Spurs. Whatever, brah.

I seem to recall the Spurs dismantling the Lakers twice in that history but the Lakers trashing the Spurs much more. Still, I get excited when they are going to play each other.

[IronMexican]

1982...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-0
1983...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-2
1986...First round.............Lakers ...3-0
1988...First round ............Lakers ...3-0
1995...Second round .......Spurs ..... 2-4
1999...Second round......Spurs ..... 0-4
2001...Conference Final...Lakers.....4-0
2002...Second round .......Lakers.....4-1
2003...Second round .......Spurs ..... 2-4
2004...Second round........Lakers.... 4-2
2008...Conference Final....Lakers....4-1


There go the stats.

[it's me]

:lol

Lakers are 8-3 all time vs the Spurs in the playoffs, but you wont see many Laker fans claiming that the Lakers own the Spurs. Whatever, brah.

Wow … impressive… and the Fakers lost 3 playoff series to the Spurs??? Are you serious??? Even being theall time NBA champs wet dream, getting all the questionable calls (no questionable after all.. it’s safe to say one-sided calls) the spurs being a low market team, having tons of bandwagon fans, etc etc…?? wow ….just impressive

[whottt]

:lol

Lakers are 8-3 all time vs the Spurs in the playoffs, but you wont see many Laker fans claiming that the Lakers own the Spurs. Whatever, brah.

Doesn't matter...ending the Shaq Kobe Dynasty is equivalent to like 5 playoff series wins and is a permanent exemption from bitch status.

Had you guys been the one to stop the 60'd Celtics Dynasty you might have some claim to the title of greatest ever...but you didn't. In fact you guys made that Dynasty.

Futhermore, SpurFans don't claim they have the greatest team in the history of Sports or a Sport as LakerFan attempts to do.



and 8-3 isn't as bad as the Spurs record against the Rockets in the playoffs...

Or the Celtics for that matter :lol


We have never beaten the Rockets or Celtics in the playoffs...so you rank below them.

[Strike]

1982...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-0
1983...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-2
1986...First round.............Lakers ...3-0
1988...First round ............Lakers ...3-0
1995...Second round .......Spurs ..... 2-4
1999...Second round......Spurs ..... 0-4
2001...Conference Final...Lakers.....4-0
2002...Second round .......Lakers.....4-1
2003...Second round .......Spurs ..... 2-4
2004...Second round........Lakers.... 4-2
2008...Conference Final....Lakers....4-1


There go the stats.

99 was obvious. 95 was the other one I was thinking of. It's been awhile and I'm too tired to try to analyze it but I thought the 95 series wasn't as close as the 4-2 record. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[whottt]

Doesn't matter...the Spurs stopped the Lakers from a 4peat. That is a dethroning...Laker Fan has no ground to pull up series records and talk shit after that.

[IronMexican]

Doesn't matter...ending the Shaq Kobe Dynasty is equivalent to like 5 playoff series wins and is a permanent exemption from bitch status.

Had you guys been the one to stop the 60'd Celtics Dynasty you might have some claim to the title of greatest ever...but you didn't. In fact you guys made that Dynasty.

Futhermore, SpurFans don't claim they have the greatest team in the history of Sports or a Sport as LakerFan attempts to do.

-
and 8-3 isn't as bad as the Spurs record against the Rockets in the playoffs...

Or the Celtics for that matter :lol


We have never beaten the Rockets or Celtics in the playoffs...so you rank below them.

Well, the Bulls have a much better win % vs the Lakers than the C's do vs the Lakers, therefore the C's are below the Bulls.

And yeah, congrats to the Spurs on beating the Lakers back in 2003. Although that was 6 years ago, so it doesn't matter to you anymore , according to you.

[Strike]

Well, the Bulls have a much better win % vs the Lakers than the C's do vs the Lakers, therefore the C's are below the Bulls.

And yeah, congrats to the Spurs on beating the Lakers back in 2003. Although that was 6 years ago, so it doesn't matter to you anymore , according to you.

'03 was a great and satisfying series for me and all Spurs fans, I would think. But it's becoming ancient history and the Lakers have done some damage to the Spurs since.

[whottt]

I hear Spurfans throw in Lakers are 2-9 more than the Lakerfans bring up the Lakers are 8-3 vs the Spurs.

That's because losing in the finals to a team is much worse than merely losing in the playoffs.

Doing it 9 times is sickening....and a disgrace.

[whottt]

Well, the Bulls have a much better win % vs the Lakers than the C's do vs the Lakers, therefore the C's are below the Bulls.

And yeah, congrats to the Spurs on beating the Lakers back in 2003. Although that was 6 years ago, so it doesn't matter to you anymore , according to you.

Bitch status is relevant over more than a 5 year time frame.


While there is a statute of limitation on talking shit about championships...usually 1 year, there is none on bitch status and since that dethroning prevented the Spurs from bitch status...it's relevant, even though the title they won is not eligible for championship shit talking in the current context.

[Spursone]

:wakeup

I think a rival is a team that is a threat, so I would choose the Lakers.

Bitch teams like the Suns are no longer even a consideration.

:lmao

[IronMexican]

Bitch status is relevant over more than a 5 year time frame.


While there is a statute of limitation on talking shit about championships...usually 1 year, there is none on bitch status.

If this is what you believe, the Lakers are 2-0 vs the Spurs when it matters then. Mavs also own the Spurs at 1-0.

[rascal]

The Lakers always stand in the way of titles for the Spurs. They are the ones that most often knock the spurs out.

[Strike]

:wakeup

I think a rival is a team that is a threat, so I would choose the Lakers.

Bitch teams like the Suns are no longer even a consideration.

:lmao

To be honest, I never even considered the Suns a threat. That what little regard I have for them. The only teams in the past 10 years I worried about were the Lakers every time they faced each other, Detroit in '05 and New Orleans last year.

[Thomas82]

It's a toss-up between the Lakers and Mavericks.

[whottt]

Furthermore...that dethroning definitely qualifies us Laker Rivals for all time...and not merely wannabes as the Suns are to the Spurs.

[BUMP]

Sorry Spur fans but the Lakers own you guys plain and simple. Its not a rivalry to them

[whottt]

If this is what you believe, the Lakers are 2-0 vs the Spurs when it matters then. Mavs also own the Spurs at 1-0.

Neither of those ended a 4 peat attempt which would have been the second greatest championship run in history....and yes ya''ll would have won the title that year had we not stopped you.


That is what you call an "ouch".


Merely beating team in a repeat attempt has been done frequently and really has no shittalking viability beyond a year.

So basically LakerFan can talk shit for last year...and that's about it.

Mavfan cannot...not only was that 2 years ago, but they choked in the finals and then were humilated in the first round the following year.

[IronMexican]

Sorry Spur fans but the Lakers own you guys plain and simple. Its not a rivalry to them

Stats don't lie, brah. C's own the Lakers. Lakers own the Spurs. Rockets own the Spurs.

[IronMexican]

Neither of those ended a 4 peat attempt which would have been the second greatest championship run in history....and yes ya''ll would have won the title that year had we not stopped you.


That is what you call an "ouch".


Merely beating team in a repeat attempt has been done frequently and really has no shittalking viability beyond a year.

So basically LakerFan can talk shit for last year...and that's about it.

Mavfan cannot...not only was that 2 years ago, but they choked in the finals and then were humilated in the first round the following year.

Lakers did stop a Spurs 3 peat(Possibly) and the Mavs stopped a Spurs 3-peat. Imagine the Spurs beat the Lakers and Mavs? That's a potential 5 peat:bking

[rascal]

Neither of those ended a 4 peat attempt which would have been the second greatest championship run in history....and yes ya''ll would have won the title that year had we not stopped you.


That is what you call an "ouch".


Merely beating team in a repeat attempt has been done frequently and really has no shittalking viability beyond a year.

So basically LakerFan can talk shit for last year...and that's about it.

Mavfan cannot...not only was that 2 years ago, but they choked in the finals and then were humilated in the first round the following year.

Don't even bother to justify anything. Lakers have owned the spurs in the playoffs. Nothing more to say on it. Their playoff record against the spurs speaks for itself.

[whottt]

Summing it up...only 3 teams have the right to talk shit to the Spurs at this current time and not be considered jokes for attempting it.

Lakers for last years win.
Rockets for their 2-0 all time playoff record against us.
Celtics for their 1-0 all time playoff record against us(plus they can pretty much talk shit to anyone since their team has the NBA record for championshipws).

Sun, Mav and Jazz fan can talk no shit.

[whottt]

Don't even bother to justify anything. Lakers have owned the spurs in the playoffs. Nothing more to say on it. Their playoff record against the spurs speaks for itself.

Fail...because you are rascal. And that speaks for itself.

[rascal]

Fail...because you are rascal. And that speaks for itself.

You lost. Your response speaks for itself.

[whottt]

I'm not a LakerFan masquerading as a SpurFan...unlike some.

[whottt]

Lakers did stop a Spurs 3 peat(Possibly) and the Mavs stopped a Spurs 3-peat. Imagine the Spurs beat the Lakers and Mavs? That's a potential 5 peat:bking

At no point were the Spurs ever going for a 3 peat to be stopped by the Mavs or Lakers though...they were merely going for a repeat. Those don't grant permanent shittalking privliges...I mean if that's the case then Hornet Fan can talk shit to the Bulls...

Get serious.

[IronMexican]

Lakers stopped a 3-peat:bking

[IronMexican]

Bob Lanier is the only one with a brain in this thread.

[Many PackYao]

Back in the mid nineties it was the Rockets, but now it's the Lakers and Mavs.

[LakeShow]

Seriously, how many finals have the Celtics beaten the Lakers in? Like 9 or 10 or something like that?




Take gun.
Put in mouth.
Pull trigger.

Spurs have NEVER defeated the Lakers in the WCF. Now that's worthy of

Take gun.
Put in mouth.
Pull trigger.[/

:lmao

[mexicanjunior]

Mavs - Mainly because all the bad blood and Cuban's comments about the city of San Antonio in general. There is nothing that satisfies me more than seeing that gay bastard sitting on the sideline moping during a loss. Make it happen SA!

[manufan10]

Is this for all-time or recent?

[Spurs Brazil]

Ftl

[Loquacist]

Sorry Spur fans but the Lakers own you guys plain and simple. Its not a rivalry to them


Too bad the Lakers haven't won an NBA title since 2002, whereas the Spurs have won 3.



Lakers can't get past the Eastern conference!

[galvatron3000]

Spurs have no rivals because they are past their prime, when they were on top the Lakers were their only rival, period. Hopefully they can reload with some youth next season or two because the window is closing shut.

[Loquacist]

Look at that. 59 votes for the Fakers. 17 votes for everyone else.

[baseline bum]

It's obviously the Lakers. In the last 10 years, Spurs/Lakers has decided the title 4 times and the conference 6.

[TheManFromAcme]

At least Yankee Fan has a reason to talk shit as they far and away the best baseball team in history.

The Lakers are not....the Celtics are. Yet the Lakers talk more shit than any other two teams fans combined.

I remember being told Celtic Fan was the biggest douche in pro-Sports and that I would see it as soon as the Celtics won a title...

That simply hasn't been the case. Sure there are few more Celtic doucebags than there were before, but it's not an infestation like it becomes when the Lakers win.

When the Lakers win you will not find a Spurs board or basketball board that isn't infested with incredibly stupid douchebag Laker Fans that know nothing about the game.

Your right. The Celts have won more but not by much. Face it, the 2 most storied franchises in NBA history is, are, have been and will always be the Lakers and Celtics. Nobody comes close not even the Bulls. The Spurs? Good team, in fact, some damn great teams but not even that brings them close to the history of the Lakeshow and the Beantown boys. The Spurs haven't been around longer than the Lakers and Celts? And? Who cares? Should give you more reason not to beat your chest in comparison to the most celebrated teams (especailly the Lakers). Besides, the league thought it important enough that all NBA fans, no matter who they root for, wear a Laker. Next time you wear your Spurs jersey take a look at the little logo guy on your shirt. You've carried a Laker with you all this time and you didn't even know it. :p:

Thanks for your Laker support!!

[TheManFromAcme]

Sorry Spur fans but the Lakers own you guys plain and simple. Its not a rivalry to them

Precisely! You hit it on the nail Mavs fan.

Lakers go after the bigger fish in the NBA. Not to say the Spurs haven't broken our hearts cause they sure have (see Fish and Kobe sobbing videos...lol) but our true and only rival will always be Boston. THEY are our rival. That rivalry goes back 30-40 years. Spurs our rival? Nah....:nope

Good team that got some titles and some good hall of famers (David Robinson is a personal favorite of mine just for what he stands for) but that's about it. In about 2-3 years this silly talk about SPURS-LAKER rival will be a moot point.

[HarlemHeat37]

the Lakers are hard to rival with, because they've benefited strictly from the location of the franchise, and not the actual people running it(don't mention Minneapolis, it's a completely different time with a little amount of teams)..

they got Wilt because he wanted to be around other celebrities, they got Kareem because he wanted to play in a major city, Shaq signed there for the location, Kobe demanded to be drafted there..I defend the Gasol trade, but it's still iffy..

Wilt contributed 1 title, Kareem was huge in the 80s titles, and Shaq-Kobe got them 3 titles in a row..

it's tougher for other teams that actually have to build teams, instead of benefiting from the location of the franchise..

also, the Lakers "owning" us is bullshit..we've only played them twice when both teams were around the same level, 2003 and 2008..they beat us last year, we beat them in 2003..

it's not really the Spurs fault that we couldn't play them in 2005, 2006, and 2007, because they weren't good enough to make it anywhere, and Kobe was crying and asking for a trade..

the Lakers were supposed to beat us in the early 2000s, they were just better..Duncan and a lesser supporting wasn't enough to do beat a team with 2 top 5 players..LA was always favored to beat us, even in 2003..

when the Spurs and Suns played, both teams were around the same level, and the Suns were favored in some of the series'..