bonner hate club closed until further notice

[The_Worlds_finest]

All that moaning and groaning about bonner from the few of us can be put to rest. Good Game Matt!

[Spurs Brazil]

Props to Bonner today.

He missed some shots, he made some shots but he was there FIGHTING every minute. That's what I want to see. Go there and play hard and not scared like the game 1

[z0sa]

jesus you guys are bipolar. his first real playoff minutes in a close game, he does halfway bad and everyone shits on him. he immediately comes out and plays a great game on both ends.

good call guys :donkey

[ElNono]

Bonner for MVP!!!! :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

all we can ask for is toughness and energy..he provided that tonight..

[Chris]

I got the llaves beeshes

[rayray2k8]

Where the hell were you after game 1?? I don't remember you sticking
up for his ass.
Oh yeah it's easy to defend him after his mediocre performance, but he's a horrible
rebounder and horrible defender.

[z0sa]

Where the hell were you after game 1?? I don't remember you sticking
up for his ass.
Oh yeah it's easy to defend him after his mediocre performance, but he's a horrible
rebounder and horrible defender.

i know you're not talking to me. i stuck up for him in timvp's official gamethoughts thread quite a bit after the game and in a couple other threads as well.

[Obstructed_View]

Sticking up for Bonner after game one is about as stupid as dogging him after tonight. He was a different player tonight in every respect.

[50Bestspurever]

Great game boner but the playoffs is about consitency.

[Obstructed_View]

I'll give him that, he played good tonight but that doesn't make up for everything.

It's not a matter of "making up" for anything, it's a matter of going out every game and playing hard. He did exactly that tonight, and he wasn't the only one. He didn't do that in game one, and he wasn't the only one. Once it's in the books it doesn't mean anything because you can't do anything to change it. Game three is all that matters now.

[rayray2k8]

i know you're not talking to me. i stuck up for him in timvp's official gamethoughts thread quite a bit after the game and in a couple other threads as well.

I don't remember talking to you directly you insecure bastard! :lol

And you can quote me on that one..

[z0sa]

Sticking up for Bonner after game one is about as stupid as dogging him after tonight. He was a different player tonight in every respect.

considering i was the only one halfway defending him, thanks for that.

what's stupider than that? hating on him one game, then acting like you can judge someone for defending him, yet yourself prop him now because he had a good effort.

I can't wait for his next big game so all the haters can officially be labeled :donkey 's. Nothing like calling out a player and he completely owning all of you the very next game.

[SequSpur]

bonner actually contributed tonight but still like Thomas, and Gooden in there...they are more of a force.

[Manufan909]

Great game boner but the playoffs is about consitency.

Please don't bold words you can't spell.

[Spursmania]

Sticking up for Bonner after game one is about as stupid as dogging him after tonight. He was a different player tonight in every respect.
:tu

[z0sa]

I don't remember talking to you directly you insecure bastard! :lol

And you can quote me on that one..

i don't care bro. love him or hate him. just don't call for his head in his first real playoff series, in his first real role, in his first real minutes that mean something. He proved tonight he can be effective on both ends, but he's just a limited roleplayer. You're wasting your time hating him, his effect on the spurs can be overshadowed by others stepping up easily.

its just stupid to make thread after thread, post after post hating on a guy whose giving his all.

[Manufan909]

bonner actually contributed tonight but still like Thomas, and Gooden in there...they are more of a force.

Crap, I agree with sequ's post AND his reasoning?!?!?!? The end is fucking nigh, bitches.

[peskypesky]

I ain't giving that stiff any props. He played like a turd in game 1. But really, I don't hate Bonner, I hate stupid Pop for playing him so much instead of Gooden.

[Obstructed_View]

considering i was the only one halfway defending him, thanks for that.

what's stupider than that? hating on him one game, then acting like you can judge me for defending him, yet yourself prop him now because he had a good effort.

I can't wait for his next big game so all the haters can officially be labeled :donkey 's. Nothing like calling out a player and he completely owning all of you the very next game.

Criticizing his performance and effort does not equal "hating", nor does simply making the observation that he was playing terrible basketball for the last few games of the season and the first game of the postseason. I'm unsure how pointing out how good his game was tonight is "propping", or exactly what that means. If my opinion on a guy's performance completely unweighted by anything other than his play on the floor isn't satisfactory for you, then maybe you're the one in the wrong place, not me.

People who blindly defend a player are morons, and people who hope for a player they dislike to have a bad game aren't Spurs fans. If you don't want to be called stupid, stop acting stupid. Bragging about how you defended him after he played horribly might win you some points with Matt's mom, but around here you're going to be laughed at.

[Obstructed_View]

I ain't giving that stiff any props. He played like a turd in game 1. But really, I don't hate Bonner, I hate stupid Pop for playing him so much instead of Gooden.

Bonner came through, so ultimately it was a good decision. Bonner was very effective, and so was Gooden. To be honest, Gooden had a number of defensive mistakes but his hustle was very good. I have no problem seeing Gooden start to earn minutes from Bonner if/as he develops, but I also don't have any problem with Matt getting the same minutes if he works as hard as he did tonight.

[underdawg]

I know I'll catch shit for this, but Bonner was average. Hear me out - he had a good game for his ability, but at the end of the day he was average for his role in our offense. In a better perspective, he was 3 of 9 for 11 points and 7 rebounds in 29 minutes. Gooden had 13 pts and 3 rebounds in 18 minutes. Stats are stats and Matt hit a couple of good 3's, but let's be honest - will his stats really improve as the series goes on? I'm no longer going to try and second guess Pop as he came out with a great game plan, but I still think it's obvious that more Gooden minutes (if he's not hurt) and less Bonner minutes is a logical plus.

[peskypesky]

Bonner came through, so ultimately it was a good decision. Bonner was very effective, and so was Gooden. To be honest, Gooden had a number of defensive mistakes but his hustle was very good. I have no problem seeing Gooden start to earn minutes from Bonner if/as he develops, but I also don't have any problem with Matt getting the same minutes if he works as hard as he did tonight.

Well,yeah of course. If Bonner plays well, he should get minutes. But when he's SUCKING (a la game 1), he should be on the bench.

[Manufan909]

Bonner came through, so ultimately it was a good decision. Bonner was very effective, and so was Gooden. To be honest, Gooden had a number of defensive mistakes but his hustle was very good. I have no problem seeing Gooden start to earn minutes from Bonner if/as he develops, but I also don't have any problem with Matt getting the same minutes if he works as hard as he did tonight.

WIth the way they both played last night, there is no discernable reason for Bonner getting 10 more minutes.

[z0sa]

Criticizing his performance and effort does not equal "hating", nor does simply making the observation that he was playing terrible basketball for the last few games of the season and the first game of the postseason.

Who would bring up his first few games back in the active rotation at this point in time, but a hater? I'm sorry, but the question begs to be answered. Secondly, I was called out or so i believed, by another poster. Have I no right to answer his message? That's not bragging oncesoever.


I'm unsure how pointing out how good his game was tonight is "propping", or exactly what that means.

you can prop a player up, or you can hate on him ... there's different terminologies. I prefer propping as the verb form of 'giving props'.


If my opinion on a guy's performance completely unweighted by anything other than his play on the floor isn't satisfactory for you, then maybe you're the one in the wrong place, not me.

Your comment about me being stupid was what I found 'unsatisfactory,' so stop playing the fool. You calling me stupid for defending him is the same as me calling you out for not giving him more chances, perhaps you're in the wrong place as well?


People who blindly defend a player are morons, and people who hope for a player they dislike to have a bad game aren't Spurs fans.

Agreed. I conceded immediately in my initial postings that Matt had a bad game 1. From that point on, I simply defended him from those calling out his role on the team - not those critiquing his play of the night, which again, I conceded. Give the man some chances, he could be a big time help like he was tonight. He gave Dirk nothing easy and contested everything, he rebounded well and battled inside, got some hands in on loose balls, just a very solid game.


If you don't want to be called stupid, stop acting stupid.

Stupid is in the eye of the beholder - AFAIC, you're the one being stupid by judging me on my posting while not expecting the same for himself. One compiles a mental list of every weakness Matt possesses for a single game's performance, then immediately props that same player for "a completely different performance" afterwards. THAT'S stupid. Why? Because its the same Matt Bonner you just hated on, doing the exact opposite and doing it well. Stick it out during the good times and bad, or at least keep your facts straight and realize he has a limited role which could not have costed the Spurs Game 1.


Bragging about how you defended him after he played horribly might win you some points with Matt's mom, but around here you're going to be laughed at.

It's only bragging to those who savagely attacked him, and are now feeling guilty for being so harsh on him. For me, its just continuing to support a limited player in pushing the Spurs team to the top.

[hater]

Bonner owned the haters.

that's right

[peskypesky]

Bonner owned the haters.

that's right

:lmao

[Obstructed_View]

Who would bring up his first few games back in the active rotation at this point in time, but a hater?
When has Bonner missed a game? He's been playing crappy since the Indiana game, look it up.


you can prop a player up, or you can hate on him ... there's different terminologies. I prefer propping as the verb form of 'giving props'.
Giving a guy props means giving him credit when he plays well. Saying how wonderful he is when he stinks up the joint is called lying.


Your comment about me being stupid was what I found 'unsatisfactory,' so stop playing the fool. You calling me stupid for defending him is the same as me calling you out for not giving him more chances, perhaps you're in the wrong place as well?

I thought he stunk and should have been pulled from the game, and certainly not reinserted in the 4th quarter when the Spurs ultimately lost the game and the lineup of Duncan and Gooden was so effective. If you actually defended Bonner's performance in that game, then I dub you "stupid". Deal with it.



Agreed. I conceded immediately in my initial postings that Matt had a bad game 1. From that point on, I simply defended him from those calling out his role on the team - not those critiquing his play of the night, which again, I conceded. Give the man some chances, he could be a big time help like he was tonight. He gave Dirk nothing easy and contested everything, he rebounded well and battled inside, got some hands in on loose balls, just a very solid game.

He got chances in game one, and unfortunately it cost the Spurs the game. My problem was more with Pop than it was with Bonner. If you were defending his role on the team, then you never had an issue with me, because I simply pointed out that he sucked. I also pointed out that he didn't suck as bad as Finley did. I missed the posts where you go nuts defending Fin.


Stupid is in the eye of the beholder - AFAIC, you're the one being stupid by judging me on my posting while not expecting the same for himself. One compiles a mental list of every weakness Matt possesses for a single game's performance, then immediately props that same player for "a completely different performance" afterwards. THAT'S stupid. Why? Because its the same Matt Bonner you just hated on, doing the exact opposite and doing it well. Stick it out during the good times and bad, or at least keep your facts straight and realize he has a limited role which could not have costed the Spurs Game 1.

I'm not sure what mental list you're referring to, but Matt's performance was completely different, and anyone that watched both games will agree with me. Sticking it out during good times and bad is for marriages, not for basketball games. If a guy's getting torched, or is having a bad night, you don't keep going to him if there's someone else that's having a good night and playing well, especially in the playoffs. And when a starter goes out and has such a horrible performance in an 8 point loss, he deserves some of the fucking blame.


It's only bragging to those who savagely attacked him, and are now feeling guilty for being so harsh on him. For me, its just continuing to support a limited player in pushing the Spurs team to the top.
It's only bragging when you act like it means something that you were sticking by him all along on a message board. For me, it's just you being too stupid to objectively evaluate the performances of the individual players and keeping it separate from personal feelings about the individual on the team. I'm certainly not going to go out and explain the difference to you.

[z0sa]

Giving a guy props means giving him credit when he plays well. Saying how wonderful he is when he stinks up the joint is called lying.

:lmao I conceded he a had bad game, can you read or do you just choose to be closed minded?




I thought he stunk and should have been pulled from the game, and certainly not reinserted in the 4th quarter when the Spurs ultimately lost the game and the lineup of Duncan and Gooden was so effective. If you actually defended Bonner's performance in that game, then I dub you "stupid". Deal with it.

I didn't defend Bonner's performance from the game. Which why calling me stupid for doing is such a douchebag hater move, which you are both.



He got chances in game one, and unfortunately it cost the Spurs the game.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

18 minutes, one shot, -8 (finley was a -20, so dont act like it was because he played with the starters). you're a :donkey to say he cost the spurs the game when Finley's defense cost the spurs numerous buckets, including dirk's dunk on bonner where finley was supposed to double baseline as soon as he dribbled and apparently just forgot, leaving bonner to the fucking wolves.




My problem was more with Pop than it was with Bonner.

So what's stupid about defending him from the haters blaming him for Pop's mistakes? Gooden should have played for him, I said so myself before I ever defended his role.


If you were defending his role on the team, then you never had an issue with me, because I simply pointed out that he sucked.

The only issue I had with you was calling me stupid for defending him, you call someone stupid for responding to another poster. Call me crazy for defending myself now that you've gone from attacking Bonner, to attacking Bonner's supporters.


I also pointed out that he didn't suck as bad as Finley did. I missed the posts where you go nuts defending Fin.

Yeah, you also missed all those threads and posts about Finley costing us the game, you did catch the Bonner ones I presume.




I'm not sure what mental list you're referring to

The one you make of roleplayer flaws, like Bonner, Kyle Korver, Rasual Butler etc


but Matt's performance was completely different

Like i assumed would happen as opposed to your "sky is falling" responses about him choking and getting benched


and anyone that watched both games will agree with me.

Of course, anyone can be objective and see he would bounce back, you choose not to.


Sticking it out during good times and bad is for marriages, not for basketball games.

Considering Pop "never even considered taking Bonner out of the starting lineup" after game 1 (according to an new article in a thread here), I think you're the one with little idea as to what's good and bad for basketball games.


If a guy's getting torched, or is having a bad night, you don't keep going to him if there's someone else that's having a good night and playing well, especially in the playoffs.

No shit, how is this Bonner's fault he was played? See, you don't even know you're hating you're so blind.


And when a starter goes out and has such a horrible performance in an 8 point loss, he deserves some of the fucking blame.

Of course. Just nowhere near the amoutn you're pinning on him, period. Go read timvp's gamethoughts or some quotes from popovich and I think you'll be forced to agree.



It's only bragging when you act like it means something that you were sticking by him all along on a message board.

Um... let's just be honest here. you should feel stupid for calling Bonner out only to be made a fool the very next game. I'm pretty much the only one with room to speak on this situation, considering you basically said Bonner cost us the game and then he came out and was a big part of a blowout win.

He played heady tonight, basically said "Don't judge me on one game," like you did.

For me, it's just you being too stupid to objectively evaluate the performances of the individual players and keeping it separate from personal feelings about the individual on the team.[/quote]

You calling me stupid is so ironic, while continuing to believe yourself objective. You're a douchebag, that's for certain, but its almost sad how far up your own ass you have your head stuck. I mean, really? Matt Bonner cost us the game? That's so stupid and I could give you reason after reason he didn't, and couldn't. His effect on the game is just not that dramatic.

[50Bestspurever]

Please don't bold words you can't spell.

No problem ashole. :rolleyes

[Spursmania]

Bonner sucks, plain and simple. Only an idiot would continue to applaud his mediocre skills, especially during crunch time.

[Borosai]

Matt Bonner!

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Bonner sucks, plain and simple. Only an idiot would continue to applaud his mediocre skills, especially during crunch time.

I don't understand why 250 forum members act like Bonner's surrogate mothers.
I can't figure out the logic behind the Bonner-apologists during the season.

They make a thread for him averaging 1-2 three pointers a game which accounts for his high percentage.
They swoon when he out rebounds a midget.
They say "fuck yeah", when he almost loses the ball but recovers when the ball is swung to him.
They stand up and cheer when his inbound passes aren't being intercepted.

I think maybe some of the pro-Bonner posters see a little bit of themselves in Bonner, living the NBA dream vicariously through him. "If He had made it, maybe I could have made it when I was younger..If I just tried a little harder"

[Spursmania]

I don't understand why 250 forum members act like Bonner's surrogate mothers.
I can't figure out the logic behind the Bonner-apologists during the season.

They make a thread for him averaging 1-2 three pointers a game which accounts for his high percentage.
They swoon when he out rebounds a midget.
They say "fuck yeah", when he almost loses the ball but recovers when the ball is swung to him.
They stand up and cheer when his inbound passes aren't being intercepted.

I think maybe some of the pro-Bonner posters see a little bit of themselves in Bonner, living the NBA dream vicariously through him. "If He had made it, maybe I could have made it when I was younger..If I just tried a little harder":clap:clap:clap