Miss California: Carrie Prejean

[Dim Tuncan]

sodomites will be ice skating in hell before americans vote to allow them to marry.

[Xylus]

Bigotry Forum.

[jman3000]

:lmao I knew she wasn't gonna go away.

I guess she's the new spokesman for the National Association for Opposite Marriage.

[Cry Havoc]

Wow.

I just heard on the news that the pageant paid for breast augmentation surgery for several of it's participants. But they're pissed at Carrie Prejean for speaking her mind.

Wow.

[Winehole23]

You were listening to Cowherd too?

[balli]

You were listening to Cowherd too?

:lmao LMFAO, I just opened this thread for the first time because of listening to Cowherd today.

[lurker23]

Here's one of the full stories on it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30495983/

"Shanna Moakler, co-executive director of Miss California USA, has confirmed the group behind the pageant paid for Miss California Carrie Prejean’s breast implants, weeks before she competed in Miss USA."

[sabar]

We are friends and I greatly like and respect you. True though that we do disagree on a few things. :)

For me marriage is a sacred thing- something I will one day enter into solemnly with my spouse before God.

I believe that God ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman and I want to protect that sanctity.

Marriage to me is not just an agreement with the state, it is also a covenant with God.

Like Carrie Prejean said, it is my goal to be Biblically accurate, not politically correct.
I have to stand up for what the Bible defines as God's model for marriage and family- that a man will marry one woman and that children should follow marriage not preceed it.

I cannot in good conscience support homosexuals marrying each other or adopting kids because I feel that is contrary to what God desires.

However, I have no interest in fighting over the more practical issues such as property ownership, insurance etc.
People who are common law are afforded certain benefits. And I think it would be hypocritical of me to deny homosexual people the rights of a common law couple.
And I am not trying to deny them those.

My point is that, for me and those who share my faith, marriage is a sacred thing.
I don't think it is fair that I be considered a bigot because I cherish marriage as something special between one man and one woman and want to see it sustained as such.


Furthermore, I feel that by insisting on redefining marriage, it is the homosexual community, who is being unreasonable.
What rights of the homosexual is not accomplished through a civil union?

You have a slight problem though in that marriage predates Christianity by a long time. A better point of view would be that homosexuals cannot be married in a Christian church. There would be no reason for you to oppose other marriage. I feel that is the view that most Christians have, but they don't express it because it seems extremely bigoted and so just oppose all homosexual marriage, whether it is religious or not. Even if that really doesn't make sense.

[baseline bum]

Here's one of the full stories on it:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30495983/

"Shanna Moakler, co-executive director of Miss California USA, has confirmed the group behind the pageant paid for Miss California Carrie Prejean’s breast implants, weeks before she competed in Miss USA."

That's disgusting. A bag of silicone is supposed to represent what a woman should look like?

[Cane]

Another dumbass bitch supported by other dumbass bitches.

Whoopdy-doo.

Definitely ironic considering women are also one of the most discriminated groups of people in history and the OP is supporting the hate and dehumanization of another group of people that has been suffering discrimination since the dawn of society and religion.

OP, ever been to college or study up on womens studies? You sound awfully sheltered and self-righteous and you might be surprised on what you find in books of actual merit and knowledge than self righteous preachy crap.

:depressed

[Cry Havoc]

You were listening to Cowherd too?

Who's that?

I heard it on NPR.

[angel_luv]

You have a slight problem though in that marriage predates Christianity by a long time. A better point of view would be that homosexuals cannot be married in a Christian church. There would be no reason for you to oppose other marriage. I feel that is the view that most Christians have, but they don't express it because it seems extremely bigoted and so just oppose all homosexual marriage, whether it is religious or not. Even if that really doesn't make sense.

Incorrect. Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God in the very beginning when he created Eve for Adam.

[ploto]

"Shanna Moakler, co-executive director of Miss California USA, has confirmed the group behind the pageant paid for Miss California Carrie Prejean’s breast implants, weeks before she competed in Miss USA."


All of this over some woman with such integrity that she probably had a boob job, a nose job, and who knows what else trying to win a beauty pageant.

[CuckingFunt]

You have a slight problem though in that marriage predates Christianity by a long time. A better point of view would be that homosexuals cannot be married in a Christian church. There would be no reason for you to oppose other marriage. I feel that is the view that most Christians have, but they don't express it because it seems extremely bigoted and so just oppose all homosexual marriage, whether it is religious or not. Even if that really doesn't make sense.

Predate Christianity? That's unpossible!

[angel_luv]

Do you think Miss California was the only contestant who had cosmetic surgery in preparation for the pageant?

I am not condoning her having surgery. I think it was a waste of money and an unnecessary stress on her body.

But I don't think it is fair to single Miss California out for a practice that is likely common among contestants.

Having the enhancement surgery was not a violation of pageant rules, was it?

[sook]

you can't have guys and guys marrying each other you fucking idiots. 6 Billion people including yourself weren't brought into this world that way.

Just nucking futs. For taking the right stand you get criticized nowadays, just despicable

[baseline bum]

you can't have guys and guys marrying each other you fucking idiots. 6 Billion people including yourself weren't brought into this world that way.

Just nucking futs. For taking the right stand you get criticized nowadays, just despicable

So essentially, if guys and guys can marry each other you're worried that you'll start wanting to ride the Hershey Highway too, thus killing your chances for procreation?

[Cry Havoc]

Do you think Miss California was the only contestant who had cosmetic surgery in preparation for the pageant?

I am not condoning her having surgery. I think it was a waste of money and an unnecessary stress on her body.

But I don't think it is fair to single Miss California out for a practice that is likely common among contestants.

Having the enhancement surgery was not a violation of pageant rules, was it?

I think it's merely amusing and incredibly ironic that a pageant asks a question about gay marriage, and then acts incredulous as to the "intolerant" response of the person being asked the question. They're so gung-ho about advancing human rights and eliminating negative social prejudices that they want their pageant queens to have big boobs. Does anyone else not see how ridiculous this is?

[balli]

Who's that?

I heard it on NPR.
NPR? What are you, some kinda sosalist? :lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Cowherd

[CuckingFunt]

I think it's merely amusing and incredibly ironic that a pageant asks a question about gay marriage, and then acts incredulous as to the "intolerant" response of the person being asked the question. They're so gung-ho about advancing human rights and eliminating negative social prejudices that they want their pageant queens to have big boobs. Does anyone else not see how ridiculous this is?

The boob job thing is just added to the pile. There's not one single element of this story, including the fact we're still talking about it, that isn't ridiculous.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Incorrect. Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God in the very beginning when he created Eve for Adam.

Genesis pwnt!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What a stupid stupid prima donna bitch.

It's like Corby said, she's twenty one, she does not know a god damn thing about marriage, and doesn't even deserve an opinion on the subject.

At least her beliefs allowed her to get huge massive fake titties prior to miss america :rollin

[LnGrrrR]

Incorrect. Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God in the very beginning when he created Eve for Adam.

Were Adam and Eve technically married?

[sook]

So essentially, if guys and guys can marry each other you're worried that you'll start wanting to ride the Hershey Highway too, thus killing your chances for procreation?

uhhh.....................NO@!

[Spurminator]

A question at a beauty pageant by a trashy gossip merchant leads to martyrdom of a beauty contestant and subsequent tour of heroic interviews on sensationalist cable news programs.

Holy shit, I can't think of a single thing I could add to this story to make it more irritating.



"Shanna Moakler, co-executive director of Miss California USA, has confirmed the group behind the pageant paid for Miss California Carrie Prejean’s breast implants, weeks before she competed in Miss USA."

There's one.

[Sec24Row7]

I could care less if they want to get married but they can't act like they aren't asking for extra rights...

[sook]

I might get flamed for this, but people that are gay suffer from an imbalance of copper. Zinc is needed for sexual maturity and testosterone. Copper and Zinc compete for absorption and high levels of copper lead to depleted zinc levels in the body.

If only they would open themselves up for help.

[Sec24Row7]

I might get flamed for this, but people that are gay suffer from an imbalance of copper. Zinc is needed for sexual maturity and testosterone. Copper and Zinc compete for absorption and high levels of copper lead to depleted zinc levels in the body.

If only they would open themselves up for help.

I highly doubt this is true... but if it was... my god... If you just could pass a law to popularize the use of this again Zinc CHROMate (http://www.colorserver.net/history/history-zinc-chromate.htm)

After one or two trailer hitches they would be "cured"

:sleep :wakeup :married:

[Duff McCartney]

Incorrect. Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God in the very beginning when he created Eve for Adam.

Considering that there are texts that are older than the Bible that probably discuss marriage, then I'd say yes marriage even before Genesis was written.

Or if you subscribe to your theory...then Marriage predates Christianity because Genesis was written before there were Christians. Moses is believed to be the author of Genesis...and he wasn't Christian.

The Rig Veda of Hinduism was written before the Old Testament.

P.S. I don't even know why I'm writing this shit...it means absolutely nothing to you anyway. I could have just made my reply a bunch of questions marks and exclamation points and you'd pay as much attention to it as you do what I actually wrote.

Either way...this entire topic is as ridiculous as this pageant.

[ploto]

Incorrect. Marriage between a man and a woman was instituted by God in the very beginning when he created Eve for Adam.

I am sure you realize that polygamy is rampant throughout the Old Testament.

[Winehole23]

I am sure you realize that polygamy is rampant throughout the Old Testament.And in the New Testament, St. Paul scorns marriage as legalized fornication. It wasn't until centuries later that Christianity sought to claim marriage for itself.

[Cane]

I'm still confused on why the OP or anyone for that matter still supports discrimination; especially since our government is supposed to be secular (hah yea right). Especially since the OP looks to be a female minority...geebus. Not to mention that Christianity itself is one of the worst religions around. "Faith healing" my ass.

I guess the OP and the like wouldn't mind if we had a strong Muslim fundamentalist population and it became law that women would be stoned whenever for whatever and have to wear veils or face justified rape as punishment. Sounds like a plan to me!

Thinking of gays as lesser than human beings is not much different than what Hitler did to alcoholics, Jews, gays, gypsies, etc. in the Holocaust but unfortunately half of hte people who discriminate against gays wouldn't mind these death chambers.

Yeesh.

[Winehole23]

Godwinned.

/thread

[PixelPusher]

Godwinned.

/thread

Is there any thread here that hasn't been Godwin'ed since Obama took office?

[jman3000]

She should have gotten them bigger.

[jack sommerset]

This has turned out to be one of the best storys of the year. U got fags bashing a straight women because she believes in "straight". Perez Hilton humilates himself on national tv and people are coming to his rescue. The feminist are no where to be found to help out another women who is being TORN apart by men. (the feminist fucked Palin over 2). California is threatening to take her crown if she does not stop talking about marriage between a man and a women.

Listen, I don't like fags. They make me sick. Sticking dicks in dirty hairy assholes is disgusting. You are a pervert if you do this thus the word queer. You are not a real man if you suck or get sucked off by another dude with nuts. Fags are pretty much animals. They can't control themselves. But if they want to get married and fuck each other buttholes have at it. I got no problem with that. Its gross but the fags are out everywhere. They should have the same rights as a man and women that are married except no adopting. Poor kid needs a shot at life.Chances are I will not be eatting dinner with the fag or do business with the fag. I am polite to the fag but want nothing to do with him.

Thats my take on the fag. If you want to jump me for these feelings have at it. I hope the same people that jump my ass also jump Perez Hilton and all those folks out there tearing that pageant girl a new asshole. If you don't that says something about you.

[jman3000]

The other bimbo was hotter.

[ChumpDumper]

Thats my take on the fag. If you want to jump me for these feelings have at it. I hope the same people that jump my ass also jump Perez Hilton and all those folks out there tearing that pageant girl a new asshole. If you don't that says something about you.You pretty much are Perez Hilton, with all that entails.

Only he is more wealthy and well-known.

[Booharv]

Carrie is a real winner, in my opinion- regardless of the outcome of the pageant.

I think it is awesome the way Carrie stood up for her beliefs and how she is handling the very public repercussions of her courageous choice.

Hating gay people is a courageous choice?

[jack sommerset]

You pretty much are Perez Hilton, with all that entails.

Only he is more wealthy and well-known.

I could be Perez Hilton for all you know.

[Cry Havoc]

This has turned out to be one of the best storys of the year. U got fags bashing a straight women because she believes in "straight". Perez Hilton humilates himself on national tv and people are coming to his rescue. The feminist are no where to be found to help out another women who is being TORN apart by men. (the feminist fucked Palin over 2). California is threatening to take her crown if she does not stop talking about marriage between a man and a women.

Listen, I don't like fags. They make me sick. Sticking dicks in dirty hairy assholes is disgusting. You are a pervert if you do this thus the word queer. You are not a real man if you suck or get sucked off by another dude with nuts. Fags are pretty much animals. They can't control themselves. But if they want to get married and fuck each other buttholes have at it. I got no problem with that. Its gross but the fags are out everywhere. They should have the same rights as a man and women that are married except no adopting. Poor kid needs a shot at life.Chances are I will not be eatting dinner with the fag or do business with the fag. I am polite to the fag but want nothing to do with him.

Thats my take on the fag. If you want to jump me for these feelings have at it. I hope the same people that jump my ass also jump Perez Hilton and all those folks out there tearing that pageant girl a new asshole. If you don't that says something about you.

Hey jack, two questions: If you went camping with someone, and woke up with a headache and a used condom up your ass, would you tell anyone?

Second question: Want to go camping?

[jack sommerset]

Hey jack, two questions: If you went camping with someone, and woke up with a headache and a used condom up your ass, would you tell anyone?

Second question: Want to go camping?

Lame old,old,old,old joke. I just told you to stop trying to be funny. You don't have "it"

[Booharv]

Carrie is a real winner, in my opinion- regardless of the outcome of the pageant.

I think it is awesome the way Carrie stood up for her beliefs and how she is handling the very public repercussions of her courageous choice.

Telling everyone you hate gays makes you courageous?

Really?

These people must be super brave since they walk around with signs letting people know where they stand!

http://www.sstar.net.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/westboro-long-ago-210x180.jpg

This bitch is so brave and courageous, she's like a modern day super hero!!

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper609/stills/dh0z2ou9.jpg

[Trainwreck2100]

please don't post anything with those assholes from the westboro baptist church, posting their picture is just what they want you to do

[jack sommerset]

i wonder if angel love would hold one of those signs if her church asked her to?

[Winehole23]

You would hold it just for fun.

[jack sommerset]

You would hold it just for fun.

No i would not. I don't want the gays to die or go to hell (if there is a hell). They can do what they want, I can avoid them and if I run into one,get caught in a conversation,have to work with one I will be polite.Always polite. I would not put a homo in jail for sucking dick. I find it disgusting but who am I to put someone in prision because he eats man juice.

I wondering how far would Angel Luv go for her church. Would she hold a sign with hate on it.

[Duff McCartney]

I wondering how far would Angel Luv go for her church. Would she hold a sign with hate on it.

Yes she would. The same reason she doesn't take scientific evidence that proves the world is far older than 5,000 years old because it contradicts god is the same reason she would hold up a sign.

It's not about hate for her...it's about "god". If god says it's wrong then it's not hate. It's following a command which is total crap. The blind will never listen to reason...she doesn't care about that. She's happy and content where she is and who is anyone to tell her anything for it? I just wonder if she's opposed to marrying her cousin or nephew...you know like some of the patriarchs of the Old Testament did. Or if she supports genocide since it's okay to do it according to the Old Testament...you know with the Amalekites and Midianites

Although I do wonder why she uses the internet, a computer, or a car. Or any other technological item. It doesn't mention any of it in the Bible...does that make it okay?

[Cry Havoc]

Yes she would. The same reason she doesn't take scientific evidence that proves the world is far older than 5,000 years old because it contradicts god is the same reason she would hold up a sign.

It's not about hate for her...it's about "god". If god says it's wrong then it's not hate. It's following a command which is total crap. The blind will never listen to reason...she doesn't care about that. She's happy and content where she is and who is anyone to tell her anything for it? I just wonder if she's opposed to marrying her cousin or nephew...you know like some of the patriarchs of the Old Testament did. Or if she supports genocide since it's okay to do it according to the Old Testament...you know with the Amalekites and Midianites

Although I do wonder why she uses the internet, a computer, or a car. Or any other technological item. It doesn't mention any of it in the Bible...does that make it okay?

:rolleyes What a ridiculous post.

[Duff McCartney]

:rolleyes What a ridiculous post.

I'm only following her logic...she herself has said she thinks the world is only about 5,000 years old. And that she'll only follow science if it conforms with god.

So I ask what's so ridiculous about it....it stands to reason if she doesn't follow science that doesn't conform to god...why wouldn't she subscribe to holding up a sign like that if it DOES conform to what god says.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think when you ask these sort of questions, there is a time and place for it....

imo the girl deserve to voice her opinion but at a world stage event like this? fkn hell no....just makes her look stupid if she fucks it up...there is no right or wrong answer to the question...ppl should just leave ppl alone and how they wanna live their life.

[Trainwreck2100]

Or if she supports genocide since it's okay to do it according to the Old Testament...you know with the Amalekites and Midianites



I'm no biblical scholar but it probably wasn't called genocide at the time

[Spurminator]

So I ask what's so ridiculous about it....it stands to reason if she doesn't follow science that doesn't conform to god...why wouldn't she subscribe to holding up a sign like that if it DOES conform to what god says.

You know nothing of what God says.

[ploto]

I suppose if you believe in a literal account of Adam and Eve then you realize that incest must have occurred for the third generation ever to have been born.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yes she would. The same reason she doesn't take scientific evidence that proves the world is far older than 5,000 years old because it contradicts god is the same reason she would hold up a sign.

It's not about hate for her...it's about "god". If god says it's wrong then it's not hate. It's following a command which is total crap. The blind will never listen to reason...she doesn't care about that. She's happy and content where she is and who is anyone to tell her anything for it? I just wonder if she's opposed to marrying her cousin or nephew...you know like some of the patriarchs of the Old Testament did. Or if she supports genocide since it's okay to do it according to the Old Testament...you know with the Amalekites and Midianites

Although I do wonder why she uses the internet, a computer, or a car. Or any other technological item. It doesn't mention any of it in the Bible...does that make it okay?

What a load of crap! Angel may be a fervent believer in her religion, but nothing she has ever posted in here suggests she would EVER hold up any sign remotely similar to that horrible shit. There's a difference between religion and outright lunacy.

[MiamiHeat]

She disagrees with their lifestyle.

Doesn't mean she hates them. Learn2think

[implacable44]

[QUOTE=Booharv;3359841]Telling everyone you hate gays makes you courageous?

Really?

QUOTE]

That is funny -- I don't recall her saying she hated anyone - she said in her opinion marriage is between a man and a woman -- the only HATE and INTOLERANCE I hear is from all of those who whine about being hated and not tolerated. HYPOCRISY... the hate is from the other side -

[JoeChalupa]

She was asked a question, she answered it, move on!!!

[Duff McCartney]

There's a difference between religion and outright lunacy.

Which is what? I'm curious to know what is it that seperates "religion" as you say and "lunacy" that you say Westboro Baptist is.

How do you define god? How do you define what is religion and what isn't? Is it not eating shellfish? Is it eating shellfish? Is it bashing babies against the rocks? What is it?

I have a hard time distinguishing between angel_luv and westboro...not because of what they say but because of obedience to god. Who is wrong and who is right?

If there is a difference...then who is the authority? You? Maybe she hasn't posted anything about suggesting she would hold it up...but what makes you think she wouldn't? I'm only going by what she has said...regarding science..and everything else.

[smeagol]

Yes she would. The same reason she doesn't take scientific evidence that proves the world is far older than 5,000 years old because it contradicts god is the same reason she would hold up a sign.

It's not about hate for her...it's about "god". If god says it's wrong then it's not hate. It's following a command which is total crap. The blind will never listen to reason...she doesn't care about that. She's happy and content where she is and who is anyone to tell her anything for it? I just wonder if she's opposed to marrying her cousin or nephew...you know like some of the patriarchs of the Old Testament did. Or if she supports genocide since it's okay to do it according to the Old Testament...you know with the Amalekites and Midianites

Although I do wonder why she uses the internet, a computer, or a car. Or any other technological item. It doesn't mention any of it in the Bible...does that make it okay?

So the boy with a bad credit is an angel_luv expert?

[ploto]

So the boy with a bad credit is an angel_luv expert?

People can confuse faith in their minister with faith in God, and some preachers do prey on that by making members of their church feel as if they have to follow what that minister says God wants.

It reminds me of an old episode of Designing Women, of all shows, in which Charlene is upset because her minister does not support women being ministers. When she goes to talk to him about it, he says to her, "You can not question the wisdom of God on this matter" to which she replies, "it's not His wisdom that I am questioning. It is yours."

[JoeChalupa]

There IS a difference.

[Cry Havoc]

I have a hard time distinguishing between angel_luv and westboro...not because of what they say but because of obedience to god. Who is wrong and who is right?

No, that's due to the fact that you apparently have no critical thinking abilities for yourself. There are very few other posters here who are having the same difficulties as you are claiming.

Of course, these people have some form of objectivity and aren't jamming words into the mouths of other people, either. The humorous thing is, for all your projecting, you sound far more hateful of a person than angel_luv.

[Duff McCartney]

So the boy with a bad credit is an angel_luv expert?

A bad credit?

[Duff McCartney]

No, that's due to the fact that you apparently have no critical thinking abilities for yourself. There are very few other posters here who are having the same difficulties as you are claiming.

Of course, these people have some form of objectivity and aren't jamming words into the mouths of other people, either. The humorous thing is, for all your projecting, you sound far more hateful of a person than angel_luv.

Tell me how I sound like a more hateful person. My only arguement is that both angel_luv and westboro have their views because of their obedience to god...that's why I ask...what's the difference?

They obey god that much and she obeys god this much. Is there a difference?

[Winehole23]

Everybody else can see it. Maybe you're the one who's wrong.

[Cry Havoc]

Tell me how I sound like a more hateful person. My only arguement is that both angel_luv and westboro have their views because of their obedience to god...that's why I ask...what's the difference?

They obey god that much and she obeys god this much. Is there a difference?

Tell me why it's incredibly obvious to everyone else in this thread and not yourself.

[Bukefal]

They found some topless photos of her :lmao

[LnGrrrR]

They found some topless photos of her :lmao

Where? :D

[Bukefal]

http://perezhilton.com/2009-05-05-what-would-jesus-say-about-this :)

[JoeChalupa]

Was that pic taken before or after her boob job? I think after.

[ploto]

People in glass houses...

[ploto]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/30576142#30576142



But Alicia Jacobs, a judge at the April 19 Miss USA pageant during which Prejean made her highly publicized statement opposing same-sex marriage, said the pictures go beyond what the Miss California pageant says are appropriate.

“I can assure you they were quite inappropriate, and certainly not photos befitting a beauty queen,” Jacobs, a reporter for NBC’s Las Vegas affiliate, told NBC News.


It and the others in the set may also be too revealing for the Miss California pageant, according to a report filed for TODAY by NBC News’ Miguel Almaguer, who reported that Prejean’s contract with the pageant prohibits her from being photographed “in a state of partial or total nudity.”

I can see it now- she will lose her crown because it violates her contract, but she will claim it is because of her views and she will become a martyr.


Although Prejean said the pictures were taken when she was 17, others have alleged that they seem to have been taken after she underwent breast-enhancement surgery six weeks prior to the Miss USA pageant. That surgery was paid for by the Miss California pageant.

[DarrinS]

13 pages about a beauty pageant contestant?

Really?

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao yeah you guys should stick to well informed and informational posts like Darrin. Wtf is wrong with all of you?

[Bukefal]

13 pages about a beauty pageant contestant?

Really?

lol yeah you're right. haha WTF?!

[Cry Havoc]

13 pages about a beauty pageant contestant?

Really?

This surprised you after we had 8+ pages about an iPod?

[jman3000]

:lol

you can tell her handlers are having a field day trying to get her as much exposure as possible and maximizing this opportunity. she just seems too empty a shell to pull it off.

nude photos of her showing up in 3...2...1...

[jman3000]

meh... those aren't really nudes... but :lol at the MS paint entered jizz on her lips.

[Phil E.Buster]

I don't even think she's that attractive. Nice body but a fake face and boobs.

[Cry Havoc]

meh... those aren't really nudes... but :lol at the MS paint entered jizz on her lips.

Well, that won't stop Perez from showing the internets how much of a world-class douchenozzle he is.

[Sportcamper]

It is of no surprise to me that a person from CA has the strength to say what 75% of the population already believes…If the judge did not want to hear an opposing view point he should not have asked the question…

[CuckingFunt]

She has no ass.

[Phil E.Buster]

She has no ass.

She just plays one on TV.

[exstatic]

It is of no surprise to me that a person from CA has the strength to say what 75% of the population already believes…If the judge did not want to hear an opposing view point he should not have asked the question…

Someone missed the topless photo news of Miss "holier than thou"....

[exstatic]

People in glass houses...

FTW.

What on earth is the matter with these people? She's presenting herself in a public forum (the pageant), dropping enormous value judgments on people, and she forgot these pictures existed? Or was she naive enough to think they wouldn't come out?

[MiamiHeat]

I don't believe in gay marriage either and I don't believe in god.

[balli]

People in glass houses...

Yeah, I didn't care about this story or her position AT ALL until I heard about the topless photos. Now I'd just assume see her hung in the gallows of public opinion. Where does she get off moralizing about a "family values" issue?

[Cry Havoc]

This just in, a beauty pageant is full of hypocrisy.

How many people do you know who aren't? I am, and I'll man up and say it.

I'm a hypocrite. Wooo. Go me.

Perez Hilton is a massive hypocrite too, unless asking a question in front of a national audience is only so that you can hear the answer you want or be able to go on a tirade.

This whole situation is full of stupidity caused by an idiot who wants to have as much of the limelight as possible so he can feel important on his blog.

It cracks me up that people are riding this woman for expressing an opinion that's "contrary to human rights" when she's in the MIDDLE OF A BEAUTY PAGEANT.

Let's review:

A gay blogger who's done nothing to gain fame except report about the various shenanigans and embarrassing moments of the lives of celebrities volunteers/gets nominated and accepts/whatever to be on a beauty competition where sex-objects (that is, cosmetically altered women with plastic boobs) parade around in swimsuits in order to show off their feminine parts in the most provocative way possible for a cable television audience. Said gay blogger then asks and extremely personal trap question with obvious bias and only one politically correct answer to a contestant, and protests the fact that her divergent response is intolerant of human rights. Now he's posting semi-nude photos of her (nothing really beyond what we see in a beauty pageant so far) and proclaiming how much of a hypocrite she is.

Is this a correct summation?

So apparently Perez Hilton is just fine with the sexual objectification of women, but he REALLY draws the line at who is allowed to marry who! What a champion of morality he (and every single person that supports this hoopla) is!

*rips sarcasm cover off and throws it down a trash chute*

You know what doesn't make you a hypocrite in this situation? If you're going to protest the fact that we are supposed to be leaders of the free world and we still have freaking beauty pageants in this country. It's amazing that I've heard such nasty things said about Carrie Prejean in this thread and yet not one person has stepped up and said, "Hey, maybe we should get over being condescending dickwads and actually get riled up about the fact that something this shallow and vapid continues to exist."

Not gonna happen anytime soon though, is it?

[exstatic]

So, what's the over/under on her Miss California crown being taken away? Or is that recourse only for lezbo nude pics?

[samikeyp]

So, what's the over/under on her Miss California crown being taken away? Or is that recourse only for lezbo nude pics?

Not sure but in the interest of fairness, I volunteer to see the pictures and determine whether or not she should keep her crown. As an impartial observer of course. :)

[Barry O'Bama]

Leave her alone. I too am on record saying I don't believe in same sex marriage.

Signed your president

[Trainwreck2100]

seriously where are those fucking pictures dammit

[Cry Havoc]

seriously where are those fucking pictures dammit

What makes you think there are any? You're really putting money on Perez Hilton's word that there are more pics? I'd almost put money against that, because his word is pretty much the opposite of what constitutes reliable facts. He just needed more ammo when he ranted against her so that he'd have the fangirl support of his community looking to decry someone.

[ploto]

Miss California USA Carrie Prejean has assured pageant officials that a lingerie modeling photo published online this week is the only one she posed for, the state pageant director said.

But the Web site that published the first picture said it has several more that it will "slowly roll out" starting Wednesday afternoon.

The possibility that racier images could emerge prompted "closed-door meetings" Tuesday to consider stripping Prejean of her beauty queen title, pageant spokesman Ron Neal said...

State pageant officials met Tuesday with lawyers and representatives of Donald Trump, who owns the international competition, to consider if they had grounds to take the crown away from Prejean, according to Neal.

"When you compete for Miss California, you're supposed to disclose whether you posed for nude or semi-nude photos because it's grounds for disqualification," he said.

CNN obtained a copy of the pageant contract Prejean signed last year in which she agreed that the discovery of semi-nude photos could mean disqualification.

...But the other shoe -- or other garment -- may be yet to drop.

Nik Richie -- of TheDirty.com -- said he has waited for an upgrade of his Web site's servers to handle the flood of traffic he expects will come after he posts the additional photos.

"I will slowly roll these out," Richie said.

The next image will likely be published Wednesday afternoon, he said.

"We'll see what happens with those and we want to know who's releasing them," Neal said.

Shanna Moakler, the co-executive director of the Miss California USA organization, will meet with Tami Farrell, the runner-up for the title, "to discuss the possible next steps," Neal said...


http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/05/06/california.miss.california/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

[Cry Havoc]

Wednesday afternoon.... no pictures so far? I call shenanigans. These guys should be sued for slander.

[exstatic]

Shanna Moakler, the co-executive director of the Miss California USA organization, will meet with Tami Farrell, the runner-up for the title, "to discuss the possible next steps," Neal said...

Ruh Roh!!
http://www.caninest.com/images/astro.jpg

[Yonivore]

Ruh Roh!!
http://www.caninest.com/images/astro.jpg
meh, Moakler has been looking for an excuse since the pageant.

[exstatic]

meh, Moakler has been looking for an excuse since the pageant.

Meh, She didn't make the remarks at the Miss California pageant, she did it at the Miss USA pageant as Miss California. They're doing this because of the photos.

[Yonivore]

Meh, She didn't make the remarks at the Miss California pageant, she did it at the Miss USA pageant as Miss California. They're doing this because of the photos.
Moakler has been bitching about Prejean since the pageant.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

ok she is officially a fucking moron...

Another racy Prejean photo emerges; site promises more

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/05/07/california.miss.california/index.html?iref=mpstoryview


Now, the pictures are fucking harmless, and people are making WAAAY too much out of this whole thing... but damned, that bitch is stupid. Why lie about the rest of the pictures, when you KNOW that there are more?? and its pretty damn obvious they had them.

[Cry Havoc]

DIRTY ARMY, should Miss California Carrie Prejean lose her crown?

* Yes, she is a hypocrite. (51.0%, 24,473 Votes)
* No, she is my role model. (49.0%, 23,247 Votes)

Total Voters: 47,720

Sounds like people aren't as outraged over this as Perez and company would lead us to believe. 50/50 right down the middle.

[TDMVPDPOY]

DIRTY ARMY, should Miss California Carrie Prejean lose her crown?

* Yes, she is a hypocrite. (51.0%, 24,473 Votes)
* No, she is my role model. (49.0%, 23,247 Votes)

Total Voters: 47,720

Sounds like people aren't as outraged over this as Perez and company would lead us to believe. 50/50 right down the middle.

wtf has she done to become a role model? did she do anything to benefit society or anything......

[Cry Havoc]

wtf has she done to become a role model? did she do anything to benefit society or anything......

Maybe it has something to do with the ridiculously slanted, retarded way that poll was concocted?

[MiamiHeat]

she's either a hypocrite or a role model LOL

nice poll

[FaithInOne]

I was watching Larry King on Wed during Lost commercials and was lmao at how immature Perez Hilton is. The dude has dug into all kinds of Cali Pageant trash to find things Prejean did wrong and he is now working his sore ass off to get her precious tiara stripped.

I love how the far-left bullies and does anything they can to bring down simple people who speak out against them.

I can't wait till they push hard enough and Newton's 3rd law interjects.

[jack sommerset]

DIRTY ARMY, should Miss California Carrie Prejean lose her crown?

* Yes, she is a hypocrite. (51.0%, 24,473 Votes)
* No, she is my role model. (49.0%, 23,247 Votes)

Total Voters: 47,720

Sounds like people aren't as outraged over this as Perez and company would lead us to believe. 50/50 right down the middle.

Our country is so fucked up that beauty pageant girl says she believes in straight life and people go ape shit. 50 percent that is. Seriously!

The old IF game...If a gay said he/she believes in gay life this would be a story for about a hour if none at all. So whats the difference? No need to answer. There is no difference. What a fucked up country we live in.

[Wild Cobra]

You know what I'm surprised nobody posted...

This:

2LPv9L6sy5c

[Spurminator]

I love how the far-left bullies and does anything they can to bring down simple people who speak out against them.

I can't wait till they push hard enough and Newton's 3rd law interjects.

Why do you guys keep identifying Perez Hilton as a member of the Left?

The dude is a trashy gossip peddler. He probably doesn't have an opinion on welfare, progressive taxation, school vouchers or military spending. His main concern is whether Lindsay Lohan looks skinny right now.

His interest in this issue is based on his sexuality, not his political leanings.

[Extra Stout]

Why do you guys keep identifying Perez Hilton as a member of the Left?

The dude is a trashy gossip peddler. He probably doesn't have an opinion on welfare, progressive taxation, school vouchers or military spending. His main concern is whether Lindsay Lohan looks skinny right now.

His interest in this issue is based on his sexuality, not his political leanings.
Duh, it's obvious.

One: American politics is about which team you are on, not your opinions on policies. Perez is attacking a Good Christian Girl, who speaks out against gay marriage, and who also got breast implants and likes to take semi-nude photos modeling lingerie. Not only is she on "Our Team," polls indicate she's now a front-runner for the 2012 GOP nomination.

Two: since he is a trashy gossip peddler, in addition to being teh gay, he is totally immoral, and we all know that the ultimate goal of the left is total immorality for everyone.

Three: God knows what he puts on his burger.

[JoeChalupa]

Perez Hilton is an entertainer and in the same groups as Rush Limpballs and Sean insHannity. They create their own hype and others eat it up.

[FaithInOne]

The same group? Really? C'mon Joe.

I lumped him in with the left because I saw him on Chelsea Handler's show one time joining in on the bashing of the right and bowing..err bending over..before the feet of Obama.

[sook]

You know what I'm surprised nobody posted...

This:

2LPv9L6sy5c

She is very confident about her response. I love how some people can just speak their mind and not read off of what their coordinator told them.

[Homeland Security]

I look to Perez Hilton and Justin Raimondo as role models and good people to defend! I love Jesus in a special way!

[JoeChalupa]

The same group? Really? C'mon Joe.

I lumped him in with the left because I saw him on Chelsea Handler's show one time joining in on the bashing of the right and bowing..err bending over..before the feet of Obama.

yup, they are all in the business of "entertainment" that is why I lumped them all together and the more they can stir things up the better for them.

[Wild Cobra]

She is very confident about her response. I love how some people can just speak their mind and not read off of what their coordinator told them.
I didn't think she was very smooth with the answer, but what gets me, is her answer was in no way an attack, but her heart felt opinion.

Anyone trashing this girl over her answer should be considered more an enemy of the state than conservative groups listed in that particular memo!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Dumb, blonde, big fake tits, anti-gay marriage.

Do you think she's pro or anti war for old or new reasons?

[sook]

I didn't think she was very smooth with the answer, but what gets me, is her answer was in no way an attack, but her heart felt opinion.

Anyone trashing this girl over her answer should be considered more an enemy of the state than conservative groups listed in that particular memo!

Exactly. She has the right to hold whatever opinion she wants, America has just turned into a country of big giant pussies these days.

[ploto]

She has the right to hold whatever opinion she wants.

You can't defend her right to speak what she believes by wanting to silence those who speak out against what she stated.

[Wild Cobra]

You can't defend her right to speak what she believes by wanting to silence those who speak out against what she stated.

You're right. However, I say those speaking out against her are scum and worse!

What ever happened to tolerance? My major intolerance is against those who beat up on others, and those who destroy the ideals of this nation.

Intolerant of an opinion? One that doesn't hurt anyone? Fuck those losers.

[jack sommerset]

The way these little gay fucks are acting about a women who supports straight action......I say fuck them and don't let the fags and Dykes ever get married. I lost respect for the fags because of this. Calling the poor girl all those names because she likes cock. They like cock too. You think they could get along.

[LnGrrrR]

You're right. However, I say those speaking out against her are scum and worse!

What ever happened to tolerance? My major intolerance is against those who beat up on others, and those who destroy the ideals of this nation.

Intolerant of an opinion? One that doesn't hurt anyone? Fuck those losers.

Doesnt' that make you intolerant of the people who are railing against her? :D lol

[cornbread]

You can't defend her right to speak what she believes by wanting to silence those who speak out against what she stated.

You can't silence those who defend her right to speak while also silencing those who speak out against what she stated because that would be intolerant of those of who are tolerant of her intolerance.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I may not like what she said, but I'll defend to the death her right to say it!!

[ploto]

You can't silence those who defend her right to speak while also silencing those who speak out against what she stated because that would be intolerant of those of who are tolerant of her intolerance.

Like I always say- when you call someone judgmental, doesn't that make you judgmental?

[Blake]

Like I always say- when you call someone judgmental, doesn't that make you judgmental?

judgement call

[Wild Cobra]

Doesnt' that make you intolerant of the people who are railing against her? :D lol
Yes, and I admitted to being intolerant of some things!

[Wild Cobra]

judgement call
Since I don't rather loosely follow the teachings of the Bible, Yes! I am judgmental at times!

[Cry Havoc]

Congrats guys. This is now the second longest thread in the political forum.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Congrats guys. This is now the second longest thread in the political forum.

Seriously?? I doubt that

[Trainwreck2100]

Seriously?? I doubt that

25th longest

[JoeChalupa]

Then we ain't done yet.

[ploto]

She is definitely making the most of her 15 minutes. She pulled out the Satan card today.

[ploto]

Frustrated pageant officials on Monday appointed an alternate Miss California USA to fill-in for Carrie Prejean -- the Christian beauty queen who risks losing her title after setting off a firestorm with her candid opposition to gay marriage and a topless photo shoot.

With the fate of Prejean, 21, in the hands of Miss USA pageant owner Donald Trump, the executive directors of Miss California USA said they felt "hijacked" by the furor over Prejean and needed someone else to represent the Golden State.

Trump has called a news conference in New York on Tuesday to announce whether Prejean can keep her title after three weeks of controversy over the topless pictures, her partly pageant-financed breast implants and her emergence as spokeswoman for an anti-gay marriage group.

"We do not know what he (Trump) is going to decide. I have no idea," Keith Lewis, co-executive director of the Miss California USA pageant told a news conference.

But Lewis said that regardless of what Trump does, Miss California USA runner-up Tami Farrell would fill-in for Prejean if she was "unavailable or it would be unwise to put her into a specific appearance."

Farrell would automatically inherit the Miss California USA crown if Trump decides to strip Prejean of the title...

Lewis said Prejean had violated her contract, not for her same-sex marriage views, but for operating independently of pageant organizers. She had also failed to disclose a topless photo shoot before being crowned Miss California.

Lewis said pageant officials had been unable to contact Prejean for several days because of the new "handlers" and attorneys now surrounding her. She also missed several scheduled appearances as Miss California.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/peopleNews/idUKTRE54A66220090511?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0

[mrsmaalox]

Eh, I'd be surprised if Trump fires her, he's such a pushover. Remember he forgave the girl
in 2006 for underage drinking and drugging.

[cornbread]

Like I always say- when you call someone judgmental, doesn't that make you judgmental?


Who am I to judge if it's judgmental to cast judgement on the judgment call of a judge who was being intolerant of somebody's intorerance.

[Opinionater]

IMHO, she didn't need a boob job. She had nice perky ones to begin with.

[ratm1221]

Posing nude so guys can masturbate all over your picture? Ok with God :tu

Two women getting married? :td

[Trainwreck2100]

posing nude so guys can masturbate all over your picture? Ok with god :tu

two women getting married?(if they are ugly and one is the man looking one) :td

fify

[DarrinS]

This stupid fucking thread isn't dead yet?


Instead of taking on beauty queens and radio talk show hosts, why not go after important people?

[ratm1221]

This stupid fucking thread isn't dead yet?


Instead of taking on beauty queens and radio talk show hosts, why not go after important people?

You mad? Because no one posts in your worthless climate change threads?

[DarrinS]

You mad? Because no one posts in your worthless climate change threads?


There are several thoughtful people on both sides of the argument that do. You just don't happen to be one of them. Carry on with your crusade against the blond.

[ploto]

Eh, I'd be surprised if Trump fires her, he's such a pushover. Remember he forgave the girl in 2006 for underage drinking and drugging.

The way she is acting, I do not think she even wants to be Miss California anymore. She has her opportunity now to cash in and if she is free of them, then she can. She seems to be missing appearances intentionally. She should thank Hilton. If she had won, she would be like all the Miss USA's that no one ever hears of again.

[ratm1221]

There are several thoughtful people on both sides of the argument that do. You just don't happen to be one of them. Carry on with your crusade against the blond.

Sorry I'm not as thoughtful as Wild Cobra. I'll try and do better.

[MiamiHeat]

She has a right to her opinion.

Nobody may persecute her for her opinion.

The end.


secondly,

YOU GUYS REALIZE that gays are a MINISCULE TINY population? they are so insignificant...

[RichardSimmons]

She has a right to her opinion.

Nobody may persecute her for her opinion.

The end.


secondly,

YOU GUYS REALIZE that gays are a MINISCULE TINY population? they are so insignificant...

Tell that to the GOP.

[LnGrrrR]

She has a right to her opinion.

Nobody may persecute her for her opinion.

The end.


secondly,

YOU GUYS REALIZE that gays are a MINISCULE TINY population? they are so insignificant...

Don't I have a right to my opinion that she's dumb? :D

Sure, everyone has the right to air their opinion. No one has the right to not be criticized for airing their opinion.

[MiamiHeat]

Don't I have a right to my opinion that she's dumb? :D

Sure, everyone has the right to air their opinion. No one has the right to not be criticized for airing their opinion.

No, because that's ad hominem.

You aren't attacking her argument, you are attacking her just because of her opinion.

She has a right to it - just as you have a right to YOUR opinion on the same subject.

What you don't have a right to, is to persecute others for their opinions.

What you are talking about is a land of chaos and ridicule, where nobody respects each other and everyone can just throw insults at each other if they don't agree. Your version of Earth is worse than what we have now.

[LnGrrrR]

No, because that's ad hominem.

You aren't attacking her argument, you are attacking her just because of her opinion.

She has a right to it - just as you have a right to YOUR opinion on the same subject.

What you don't have a right to, is to persecute others for their opinions.

What you are talking about is a land of chaos and ridicule, where nobody respects each other and everyone can just throw insults at each other if they don't agree. Your version of Earth is worse than what we have now.

Since when does the Constitution say I can't make fun of people as well as ideas?

Just because I have the liberty to insult someone, doesn't mean I will.

However, ridicule and insult is a powerful tool, and it needs to be used as such. Do you think that no one should be allowed to make fun of Obama's beliefs? Or liberal's beliefs? Or ANYONE's beliefs? I'm sure you don't.

[Blake]

What you don't have a right to, is to persecute others for their opinions.


exactly how has miss California been persecuted?

[MiamiHeat]

Since when does the Constitution say I can't make fun of people as well as ideas?

Just because I have the liberty to insult someone, doesn't mean I will.

However, ridicule and insult is a powerful tool, and it needs to be used as such. Do you think that no one should be allowed to make fun of Obama's beliefs? Or liberal's beliefs? Or ANYONE's beliefs? I'm sure you don't.

Ridicule and insults are only tools by those who are ignoring their own argument

Logic and reason are powerful tools. Ridicule and insult convince noone.

[angel_luv]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_miss_california

Trump says Miss California USA can retain crown


NEW YORK – Miss California USA can retain her crown even though she failed to reveal she had posed in her underwear as a teenager, pageant owner Donald Trump said Tuesday.

Carrie Prejean appeared by Trump's side as he made the announcement at New York's Trump Tower.

Trump also defended the answer that Prejean gave at last month's Miss USA pageant when she was asked her view of marriage by judge Perez Hilton, a celebrity blogger. She said she believes marriage is between a man and a woman.

"It's the same answer the president of the United States gave; it's the same answer many people gave," Trump said. "She gave an honorable answer; she gave an answer from her heart."

Trump said he and other pageant officials had reviewed racy photos of Prejean and decided they were acceptable.

"We are in the 21st century. We have determined the pictures taken are fine," he said, adding that "in some cases the pictures were lovely."

After Trump spoke, the 21-year-old Prejean, who was accompanied by her parents, took her turn at the lectern, defending herself against what she described as vicious attacks.

She talked about getting thousands of letters and e-mails from people supporting her and said, about the marriage question, that Hilton had asked her a "politically charged question with a hidden personal agenda."

"I stated my honest belief," she said.

Hilton, whose real name is Mario Lavandeira, is best known as a celebrity blogger but has also branched off into gay rights advocacy.

[mrsmaalox]

Big surprise there.....

[MiamiHeat]

Yay! Go Carrie

[101A]

I think Obama needs to resign the Presidency based on his belief that a marriage ought to be between one man and one woman.

Damned neanderthal fascist.

[ploto]

Angel-
Funny how you were noticeably absent from this thread when half-naked pictures of her were coming out but you appear to post that she is keeping her title. What is your opinion of her taking pictures like that and her lying and not telling them about them?

And of course Trump would let her keep her title- the horn dog.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

She fucked trump.

[ploto]

"We are in the 21st century. We have determined the pictures taken are fine," Trump said, adding that "in some cases the pictures were lovely."
:lol

[angel_luv]

Angel-
Funny how you were noticeably absent from this thread when half-naked pictures of her were coming out but you appear to post that she is keeping her title. What is your opinion of her taking pictures like that and her lying and not telling them about them?

Nobody is perfect. Every day we are all examples to others both of what to do and what we ought not to do.

I do not approve of the pictures Carrie took. I think modesty is a desirable and becoming quality in all women and ought to be a defining characteristic of anyone who sets herself up as a role model.

I think Carrie was a good example in answering questions according to what she believes. But Carrie was a bad example in regards to the pictures she took.
I hope that neither I nor any young girl in my acquaintance and/ or under my guidance ever takes pictures of a revealing nature much less allow them to be published!


Also, it was dishonest of Carrie to not disclose those pictures. Had she been stripped of her crown as a result of her secrecy- i.e. delibrate sneakiness, I could not have, in good conscience, objected.

As for my absence in the thread, I stopped checking it as frequently once the coversations I had intiated with people waned off.
Not only that, I am currently without home internet so cannot log on away from work.

[LnGrrrR]

Ridicule and insults are only tools by those who are ignoring their own argument

Logic and reason are powerful tools. Ridicule and insult convince noone.

Oh really? Obviously you did not watch any election coverage.

Ridicule and insult can convince just as many, in certain situations, as logic and reason.

Is it a sound basis for an argument? No... but I'm not looking to win a debate. If I want to call Miss USA stupid, or someone looking for money, then I can do it all I want. :)

Miami, do you think you live up to your own high standards of discourse?

[Oh, Gee!!]

yay--the long national nightmare is over.

[FaithInOne]

She should have **** on the tiara and next day aired it to Perez.

[Cry Havoc]

Angel-
Funny how you were noticeably absent from this thread when half-naked pictures of her were coming out but you appear to post that she is keeping her title. What is your opinion of her taking pictures like that and her lying and not telling them about them?

And of course Trump would let her keep her title- the horn dog.

Ever seen the bikini competition? I don't understand the hoopla over "half naked" pictures.


http://perezhilton.com/2009-05-12-miss-california-in-her-own-words#respond

:lmao

Look at the responses. People on his OWN SITE are absolutely ripping Perez for this kind of attention-whoring.

[Opinionater]

IMHO, it is about time Playboy Playmates are allowed to compete in these pageants. Most of their pictures are simply lovely.

[jack sommerset]

yay--the long national nightmare is over.

:lol

[samikeyp]

I saw the new topless pics today...damn red stars kept getting in my way. :madrun

:lol

[Bukefal]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/12/miss-california-carrie-prejean-topless-photos/

:)

[samikeyp]

http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/12/miss-california-carrie-prejean-topless-photos/

:)

Exactly what I was talking about!! :bang

:lol

[jman3000]

Medvev had some really good takes on this situation today on his show.

He basically said that both sides look stupid for this entire affair (agreed) and that he's tired of people calling her courageous for making a statement that the majority of American's agree with in the first place.

The only thing left to see is if she's gonna get her own show on Fox (maybe like a fashion/political show with all mamacitas as guests), a reoccuring pundit role on one of their shows, an anchorwoman spot, or an update girl.

[ploto]

So there are even more pictures from an entirely different photo shoot after she said last week there was only one. Is she that dumb?

[LnGrrrR]

So there are even more pictures from an entirely different photo shoot after she said last week there was only one. Is she that dumb?

Yes.

Hence my ridicule. :)

[MiamiHeat]

just saw her on fox news

liking her more and more :)

[ElNono]

17 pages on this broad? Come on guys... :lol

[JoeChalupa]

So there are even more pictures from an entirely different photo shoot after she said last week there was only one. Is she that dumb?

She was on TODAY and said she can't rule out there are more photos out there but she blames the photographers and the wind. I guess nipples are no big deal anymore so I expect to see topless bathing suit competitions very soon. That would be lovely.

[LnGrrrR]

just saw her topless photos on fox news

liking her more and more :)

fify :lol

[JoeChalupa]

17 pages on this broad? Come on guys... :lol

It is a about a woman showing hooters...what did you expect? I say we go for 18

[JoeChalupa]

WTF is with all these "fify" posts lately?

[ElNono]

WTF is with all these "fify" posts lately?

"Fixed It For You"

[JoeChalupa]

"Fixed It For You"

Oh I knew that but I'm seeing them everywhere.

[JoeChalupa]

Blonde, conservative....she'll be on Fox in no time.

[ploto]

she blames the photographers and the wind

Obviously not her fault for agreeing to be photographed with no top on.

Give me a break- she is arching her back and sticking her boob out.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Those are some nice bigoted tits.

[Cry Havoc]

Those are some nice bigoted tits.

:rolleyes

[MiamiHeat]

So what exactly does topless photos have to do with her opinion on gay marriage?

Nothing, that's what.

I don't believe in God and I don't believe in gay marriage, either.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

So what exactly does topless photos have to do with her opinion on gay marriage?

Nothing, that's what.

I don't believe in God and I don't believe in gay marriage, either.

Why not?

[MiamiHeat]

Gays should have a different name and tradition for their couples. Call it whatever you want, "Civil Unions" or "Bond".... whatever.

but don't impede on 'marriage' because that's a thousands year old tradition between man and woman.

[jack sommerset]

Is the word gay politically incorrect yet?

[ChumpDumper]

Gays should have a different name and tradition for their couples. Call it whatever you want, "Civil Unions" or "Bond".... whatever.

but don't impede on 'marriage' because that's a thousands year old tradition between man and woman.How would that "impede on" marriage?

[Cry Havoc]

How would that "impede on" marriage?

All those nasty penises get in the way, duh. :toast

[Cry Havoc]

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/05/13/jon-stewart-dismantles-miss-california-debacle/

Jon Stewart puts this all into perspective.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/05/13/jon-stewart-dismantles-miss-california-debacle/

Jon Stewart puts this all into perspective.


:lmao :tu

[MiamiHeat]

Jon Stewart, don't like him

the last time he was funny, Bush was in office. that was his whole schtick. no bush, no funny.

[FaithInOne]

The funny thing is, Ms. South Carolina fucked her thing up because she was fed all these politically correct heart string lines about saving Africa and The Iraq.

Blonde Overload Blonde Overload Abort Abort.

[Jacob1983]

Why do you people care what this hoe said? I mean seriously, she's a freakin model and a beauty pageant contestant. Who gives a fuck what she has to say?

[jman3000]

Why do you people care what this hoe said? I mean seriously, she's a freakin model and a beauty pageant contestant. Who gives a fuck what she has to say?

Fox News watchers.

Which is why pretty soon she's gonna be a reoccurring character.

and :lmao if she gets a book deal outta this.

what the flying fuck do I want to know about a 21 year old dumb whore?

at least her explanations for the nude pictures were entertaining.

[Jacob1983]

I just think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. That hoe has the right to her opinion. If she think beings gay is wrong and that marriage should be between 1 man and 1 woman then fine. It's her opinion and if you don't like it then fuck yourself. She's entitled to her opinion just like the rest of us.

[jman3000]

who the fuck said i didn't like her opinion? There's a difference between not respecting an opinion and not giving a big enough shit about the person expressing the opinion to care what they say. her opinions fine... it's her i couldnt give 2 shits about. she's just some stupid skank who's gonna be raised to the level of a martyr and paraded around right wing media outlets for the next 2 months.

i'm of the believe that America should be in the business of expanding freedoms... not restricting them. A man's right to throw a punch ends where another person's nose begins. The gay marriage "punch" doesn't affect me at all... so I don't care if they are allowed to marry.

[MiamiHeat]

who the fuck said i didn't like her opinion? There's a difference between not respecting an opinion and not giving a big enough shit about the person expressing the opinion to care what they say. her opinions fine... it's her i couldnt give 2 shits about. she's just some stupid skank who's gonna be raised to the level of a martyr and paraded around right wing media outlets for the next 2 months.

i'm of the believe that America should be in the business of expanding freedoms... not restricting them. A man's right to throw a punch ends where another person's nose begins. The gay marriage "punch" doesn't affect me at all... so I don't care if they are allowed to marry.

it's not about them being allowed to be together

it's about them trying to join 'Marriage'

they need to start their own institution and tradition

but MARRIAGE is between 1 man and 1 woman

[jman3000]

that's your opinion and that's fine.

me? i don't really care. it's just a word. If it were such a sacred institution, divorce rates wouldn't be hovering between 40 and 50%.

[jman3000]

and marriage has been defined as 1 man 1 woman for how many of the 1000's of years it has been in existence?

i'm actually curious about that. googled and couldnt find the answer.

[Jacob1983]

If same sex marriage is legal, then polygamy should be legal too. It's not fair to polygamists that they don't have the same rights as monogamous marriages.

[MiamiHeat]

that's your opinion and that's fine.

me? i don't really care. it's just a word. If it were such a sacred institution, divorce rates wouldn't be hovering between 40 and 50%.

That's fine that you don't care

Millions of other people do. It's a very old tradition dating back through recorded human history.

If homosexuals want to be recognized as a legal union, then they need to start their OWN institution.

THat is what this is about

[MiamiHeat]

If same sex marriage is legal, then polygamy should be legal too. It's not fair to polygamists that they don't have the same rights as monogamous marriages.

True.

Why should we infringe upon that? They just want to be happy and they want their civil rights!

AS a matter of fact, I always wanted to marry my dog. She's the only one that gets me.

Why can't I marry my dog?? STOP INFRINGING UPON MY RIGHTS!!!!!

[Spurminator]

True.

Why should we infringe upon that? They just want to be happy and they want their civil rights!

AS a matter of fact, I always wanted to marry my dog. She's the only one that gets me.

Why can't I marry my dog?? STOP INFRINGING UPON MY RIGHTS!!!!!


Because the dog can't consent to the marriage.

[Cry Havoc]

Because the dog can't consent to the marriage.

A better example would be polygamy. Why is that outlawed, if the people are free to choose who to marry and the government should stay out of it?

[JoeChalupa]

I'd hit it.

[Spurminator]

A better example would be polygamy. Why is that outlawed, if the people are free to choose who to marry and the government should stay out of it?

I'm not 100% firm on this position but as it stands right now, I have no problem with polygamy among consenting adults (in the legal sense).

[Cry Havoc]

I'm not 100% firm on this position but as it stands right now, I have no problem with polygamy among consenting adults (in the legal sense).

Heh heh.

I was just playing devil's advocate.

Polygamy is a very slippery slope as far as marriage goes because if you do a meta-analysis of world cultures who have practices multiple-partner marriage, it is a relative certainty that it's going to be one man - multiple women. Several things work to the man's advantage in this, both economically and biologically. However, this might be a benign situation for many individuals, it can also lead to a very difficult human rights issue. Women in these situations are on tedious ground.

But still, the question is begged.

[ploto]

To me the issue is not about her opinion or even the phototgraphs, but that she lied about them in direct violation of her contract. When you get on TV and proclaim your faith and your moral absolutes, then you better walk the walk and she has not. She has not accepted responsibility for them- blaming photographers and the wind- but not herself for either posing or lying. She has not apologized or told young girls not to do what she has done. Her hypocrisy is why it interests people so much. Gays are detrimental to moral values but apparently topless photos are fine.

[Yonivore]

Gays are detrimental to moral values but apparently topless photos are fine.
Yep. That's pretty much it.

[ChumpDumper]

Lying and shirking responsibility are also fine to Yoni.

[Yonivore]

Lying and shirking responsibility are also fine to Yoni.
Hey, if the Donald doesn't have a problem with her behavior, why should I?

Jeeze, it's fucking beauty contest and we're on page what? 10,000?

Perez Hilton and the rabid left set out to assassinate this woman's character and she stood up to them. Hilton looks like an ass, The Donald points out the hypocrisy of the left (who voted for a President that has the same views as Ms. Prejean), and the stupid idiot from the pageant -- what was her name? Moakler? -- is unemployed today.

Ms. Prejean has a gig with Fox and Friends, becomes famous, and probably goes on to a Vanessa Williams type career; except she gets to keep her crown.

All in all, a good day I'd say.

[ChumpDumper]

Williams was talented.

--and your being fine with the lying and shirking responsibility is no surprise.

[Yonivore]

Williams was talented.

--and your being fine with the lying and shirking responsibility is no surprise.
I'm fine with a young lady who made mistakes, is contrite, but recognizes this for what it is...and attempt to railroad her...and that stood up for her rights.

She's not proud of the photographs. One set, I believe, she said she believed would not ever be subject to disclosure because of the nature of the session and the others, which hardly even come close to pornography (nor do the former, from what I've heard).

No, Trump did the right thing. The moonbat left pulled all the stops and basically attempted to stifle Ms. California by humiliation, intimidation, and out-and-out character assassination.

Their wrong was way worse than hers.

Looks like they picked on the wrong lady.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

You approve of the lying and shirking of responsibilities.

You cheer it on.

[Yonivore]

And, another thing, some of y'all really need to learn the meaning of the word hypocrisy.

If you are engaging in a behavior you condemn in others, that's hypocrisy.

If you engaged in a behavior, but no longer do, because of your beliefs or for whatever reason...it's not hypocrisy. In fact, you have the right to speak out against that behavior, counsel others against it, and carry on with your life.

[ChumpDumper]

Right -- you are a liar, so you applaud when others lie.

[exstatic]

I guess you can keep your crown after nudie pics are revealed under three conditions:

1) You must be white
2) You cannot be black
3) Somehow, declaring yourself a Christian helps.

[jack sommerset]

Why doesn't the the gays go after Obama for the same remarks? Why don't the feminist defend her? I saw 2 feminist on cable the other day say the case is not big enough for them to come to her resuce (big enough...really) and that she is an adult.She can defend herself. WTF? The fems can stand outside the pageant with signs protesting the pageant and forget the women are old enough to make decision to be in the show. What a bunch of shit?

[Yonivore]

Right -- you are a liar, so you applaud when others lie.
She was ashamed...

I mean, it's not like she lied to a federal prosecutor.

Dude, it's a fucking beauty contest.

I think the nonsense engaged in by Moakler and gang goes beyond the pale when compared to Ms. Prejean's lie. You might have a point if she had been doing porn but, she wasn't.

Moakler and Hilton didn't like her answer so, they decided to fuck her up. It cost her the crown and public humiliation. How much more would you punish her?

The Donald rendered a decision and I applaud it. If he had gone the other way, I wouldn't have but, I wouldn't be in here ranting about it. The real injustice here is how Moakler treated her...revealing medical procedures (not uncommon in that industry), and bringing in her parent's divorce as a way of further humiliating her.

I'm satisfied Moakler is unemployed but, again, I wouldn't be losing any sleep if she were still at her job.

IT'S A FUCKING BEAUTY CONTEST.

[Yonivore]

Why doesn't the the gays go after Obama for the same remarks? Why don't the feminist defend her? I saw 2 feminist on cable the other day say the case is not big enough for them to come to her resuce (big enough...really) and that she is an adult.She can defend herself. WTF? The fems can stand outside the pageant with signs protesting the pageant and forget the women are old enough to make decision to be in the show. What a bunch of shit?
She's a conservative. They don't qualify for a defense for special interest groups. Kind of like Justice Thomas being abandoned by liberal blacks.

[Yonivore]

I guess you can keep your crown after nudie pics are revealed under three conditions:

1) You must be white
2) You cannot be black
3) Somehow, declaring yourself a Christian helps.
Actually, she didn't win because Perez Hilton didn't like her answer.

[ChumpDumper]

She was ashamed...

I mean, it's not like she lied to a federal prosecutor.

Dude, it's a fucking beauty contest.

I think the nonsense engaged in by Moakler and gang goes beyond the pale when compared to Ms. Prejean's lie. You might have a point if she had been doing porn but, she wasn't.

Moakler and Hilton didn't like her answer so, they decided to fuck her up. It cost her the crown and public humiliation. How much more would you punish her?

The Donald rendered a decision and I applaud it. If he had gone the other way, I wouldn't have but, I wouldn't be in here ranting about it. The real injustice here is how Moakler treated her...revealing medical procedures (not uncommon in that industry), and bringing in her parent's divorce as a way of further humiliating her.

I'm satisfied Moakler is unemployed but, again, I wouldn't be losing any sleep if she were still at her job.

IT'S A FUCKING BEAUTY CONTEST.:lol
You sure are typing a lot in support of the lies and shirking of responsibilities.

[ploto]

She has not shown one ounce of shame nor contrition for what she did. She has not accepted responsibilty for taking the photos then nor for lying about them NOW. The issue is pretty clear that her contract specifically states SEMI-NUDE photos and no one can dispute that these are indeed photos of that nature.

in 2006 Miss Nevada USA got her crown taken away for photos she took when she was a teenager. That's hypopcrisy.


There once was a beauty queen who took naughty pictures and, some years later, did not get to keep her crown.

Despite the magnanimity shown to Miss California Carrie Prejean, Katie Rees—Miss Nevada 2007—was out of luck when racy pics of her showed up after she won her title.

And she's none too happy about what she perceives to be a "huge double standard."

"Semi-nude photos are semi-nude photos," she told E! News, comparing the topless lingerie pics of Prejean with her own shots, which featured a 17-year-old Rees baring a breast, flashing her thong and doing her best Katy Perry impression.

Miss Universe Organization honcho Donald Trump deemed the photos inappropriate and stripped Rees of her Miss Nevada USA title in December 2006.

And this isn't the first time since that Rees has spoken out in opposition to the less harsh treatment doled out to some of her pageant peers.

She called it "unfair" when Miss USA 2006 Tara Conner was allowed to keep her title after the then-underage beauty queen was spotted drinking in various NYC bars and, at one point, kissing one of her gal-pals.

Rees said today that she and Prejean both signed contracts swearing that there were no nude or semi-nude photographs of them in existence.

And they both broke the contract, Rees added, but she is the only one who had to pay so harshly for her mistake. She asked for a chance to reclaim her title, but was denied.

"I don't know why I am the only one who was punished for their behavior," she said. "I was only 19 when those photos were taken of me, and it was me in my personal life, far before I was crowned Miss Nevada. Carrie actually posed for these professional semi-nude photos.

"I think that's worse."

Last week, after the blogosphere was already ablaze with Prejean's anti-gay marriage comments, a racy pic of the Miss USA runner-up was posted on TheDirty.com. Prejean later admitted to having posed for that and other shots when she was only 17, having been convinced "in her naiveté" to do so by the photographer.

Earlier today, Trump ruled that Prejean will remain Miss California.

Rees, who says that she has never actually met Trump, thinks the real-estate tycoon made a mistake by giving her the ax.

"I have been scrutinized in the press and have tried to move on with my life, but it's hard," she told E! News. "Everywhere you go, people judge you on these photos and already think they know the type of person you are."

But despite everything, she said, Rees is proud of the way she has handled the aftermath of her own pageant debacle.

"At least when those pictures of me came out, I admitted I was wrong and told young women in America how big of a mistake it was and to be careful because everything can affect your future," she said. "That's more than Carrie has done. She has lied about her age when she took the photos, lied about how many there were and hasn't acknowledged that she was wrong by breaking the contract. I don't think that is a good role model and I hope young women recognize that."
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b123612_dethroned_miss_nevada_peeved_by_miss.html

[MiamiHeat]

Has it occured to you that Carrie already said that those 3 pictures were done by a professional photographer during a professional session, and that the photographer kept snapping pictures when he wasn't supposed to?

Photographers snap pictures one after another, a firestorm, they take hundreds of pictures and then pick the ones they like.

Carrie herself said these pictures were taken without her consent, by a PROFESSIONAL during a PHOTO SHOOT!

[jack sommerset]

Has it occured to you that Carrie already said that those 3 pictures were done by a professional photographer during a professional session, and that the photographer kept snapping pictures when he wasn't supposed to?

Photographers snap pictures one after another, a firestorm, they take hundreds of pictures and then pick the ones they like.

Carrie herself said these pictures were taken without her consent, by a PROFESSIONAL during a PHOTO SHOOT!

That doesn't matter to the fags/feminsit or most dems. They will not believe her and call her dumbass liar who looks like a man.:lol

I am marking this one down to tell my kid when she is older how fucked up our country is. The liar piece of shit Obama can say the exact samething the girl said and people flock to him,voted for him and generally worship the guy. A girl in a beauty pageant says man and women are suppose to be married not man on man or girl on girl and this girl gets run through the gautlet over and over again.

This is one of those test. Kind of like when Foxworthy says "if you think the stock market has a fence around it, you must be a redneck" In this case if you think that girl did anything wrong you are a fucking douche bag.For you diehard Obama lovers, if you let Obama slide on this subject and think Miss California did something wrong you are hypocrite.

[CuckingFunt]

Damn. There is a whole lot of ignorant up in here.

[Winehole23]

Has it occured to you that Carrie already said that those 3 pictures were done by a professional photographer during a professional session, and that the photographer kept snapping pictures when he wasn't supposed to?

Photographers snap pictures one after another, a firestorm, they take hundreds of pictures and then pick the ones they like.

Carrie herself said these pictures were taken without her consent, by a PROFESSIONAL during a PHOTO SHOOT!So the pix look impromptu to you? Are you sure about that? Maybe you need to have another look at them. Then you should consider your confirmation bias. It makes you say stupid things. A lot of them, in fact.

[JoeChalupa]

She showed her lovely breastesses and I've got no problem with that either.

[Homeland Security]

Ha ha ha Donald Trump is awesome. Everybody has been talking about his pageant for two weeks now. Everyone will watch next year to see what controversy will pop up next.

[I masterbate]

Ha ha ha Donald Trump is awesome. Everybody has been talking about his pageant for two weeks now. Everyone will watch next year to see what controversy will pop up next.

I'll be watching!!

[Winehole23]

Ha ha ha Donald Trump is awesome. Everybody has been talking about his pageant for two weeks now. Everyone will watch next year to see what controversy will pop up next.Hi-skool Security! Where have you been?

[exstatic]

Actually, she didn't win because Perez Hilton didn't like her answer.

I was referring to her Miss Cali crown.

[ploto]

Carrie herself said these pictures were taken without her consent, by a PROFESSIONAL during a PHOTO SHOOT!

Exactly what I am talking about- she is blaming someone else and not herself. She is looking right at the camera. She agreed to the photo shoot. She is the one wearing no top and an open vest without double stick tape to hold it down. When you are in a photo shoot, you have basically given your consent to be photographed in that manner. And give me a break, she is clearly posing in some of the photos with her hand all behind her head and her back arched.

And none of your claims change the fact that she lied on her contract.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I think one is a little higher than the other

[agua bendita]

Miss California USA Carrie Prejean is in danger of losing her title.
Pageant officials Tuesday said they are looking into whether Prejean violated her contract by working with a national group opposed to gay marriage and by posing semi-nude when she was a 17-year-old model.
Pageant spokesman Roger Neal said Tuesday it appears Prejean has violated the 12-page contract all prospective contestants were required to sign before competing in the November state contest. The contract prohibits Miss California from making personal appearances, giving interviews or making commercials without permission from pageant officials. In the last 10 days, Prejean has made televised appearances at her San Diego church and on behalf of the National Organization for Marriage, a group opposed to same-sex marriage.
The contact also contains a clause asking participants to say whether they have conducted themselves "in accordance with the highest ethical and moral standards." As an example, it asks if they have ever been photographed nude or partially nude.
A photo of Prejean wearing only pink panties with her back turned to the camera appeared Monday on a gossip blog.
Prejean on Tuesday fired back that she has done nothing wrong and that she suspects she's being hounded for her anti-gay-marriage stance.
"I am a Christian, and I am a model. Models pose for pictures, including lingerie and swimwear photos." She added, "On April 19, I

[FaithInOne]

Still talking about this shit!?

WTF is wrong with you people.

[MiamiHeat]

Donald Trump already said she's keeping her crown.

[Wild Cobra]

Still talking about this shit!?

WTF is wrong with you people.
Little girls must gossip...

[ploto]

She just won't go away....

Questions are swirling about why Miss California Carrie Prejean canceled her appearance on Thursday night's "Larry King Live."

CNN reps declined comment to Huffington Post on Prejean's cancellation. King, at the top of his show, announced that Prejean had canceled.

"Late this afternoon, she canceled her appearance," said King without providing further explanation.

Paula Shugart, the president of the Miss Universe Organization, told King that Prejean was simply exhausted from traveling too much in recent days.

TMZ.com is reporting that Prejean was too busy partying and celebrating her 22nd birthday on Wednesday night:

Carrie celebrated her 22nd birthday in Atlanta last night. She was scheduled to do Larry's show tonight in L.A., but her people called hours ago and said Carrie had a birthday party last night and she was really tired and took a flight that put the airhead in the air at the time Larry airs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-miss-calif_n_203780.html

[Cry Havoc]

She just won't go away....

Questions are swirling about why Miss California Carrie Prejean canceled her appearance on Thursday night's "Larry King Live."

CNN reps declined comment to Huffington Post on Prejean's cancellation. King, at the top of his show, announced that Prejean had canceled.

"Late this afternoon, she canceled her appearance," said King without providing further explanation.

Paula Shugart, the president of the Miss Universe Organization, told King that Prejean was simply exhausted from traveling too much in recent days.

TMZ.com is reporting that Prejean was too busy partying and celebrating her 22nd birthday on Wednesday night:

Carrie celebrated her 22nd birthday in Atlanta last night. She was scheduled to do Larry's show tonight in L.A., but her people called hours ago and said Carrie had a birthday party last night and she was really tired and took a flight that put the airhead in the air at the time Larry airs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/14/carrie-prejean-miss-calif_n_203780.html

To be fair, Jesus wasn't asked to appear on Larry King the day after the last supper.

[ploto]

To be fair, Jesus wasn't asked to appear on Larry King the day after the last supper.

I think He was rather busy that day...

[Trainwreck2100]

Seriously?? I doubt that


To be fair, Jesus wasn't asked to appear on Larry King the day after the last supper.

To be more fair your metaphor would have been better served if you used christmas

[jack sommerset]

The fags are the ones who won't let this story go.

[MiamiHeat]

she is all kinds of hot.

http://natomaslgbtq.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/carrieprejean.jpg


Carrie is awesome, full support 100% behind Carrie!!

down with tmz and that loser perez hilton!

[Winehole23]

The fags are the ones who won't let this story go.How considerate. Always thinking of teh gheys.

[Torso]

(http://omg.yahoo.com/news/carrie-prejean-stripped-of-miss-california-title/23672?nc)http://omg.yahoo.com/news/carrie-prejean-stripped-of-miss-california-title/23672?nc

LOS ANGELES, Calif. -- Carrie Prejean has been stripped of her Miss California title.
"The Miss California USA Organization, in conjunction with the Miss Universe Organization and with the blessing of its owner, Mr. Donald J. Trump, announced today the termination of Carrie Prejean as Miss California USA 2009, citing continued breach of contract issues," the Miss California Organization said in a statement to Access Hollywood
The group kicked the controversial beauty queen from her post due to "contract violations including Ms. Prejean's unwillingness to make appearances on behalf of the Miss California USA organization," the pageant's Executive Director, Keith Lewis, said in a statement.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

[jman3000]

She had better things to do than fulfill her contract obligations. She can make a lot more money with her TV appearances and what not. Opportunity cost is a bitch.

This is obviously just going to come back to her comments anyways, so why bother?

[ploto]

I told you she was doing everything she could to get out so she could strike the gold mine while she was still relevant. Interesting how her faith did not seem to teach her to fulfill her obligations. Then again, she lied about the photos multiple times.