so it finally happens.... mutant flu pandemic strikes the world

[hater]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8018356.stm

Mexico flu 'a potential pandemic'
A new flu virus suspected of killing up to 60 people in Mexico has the potential to become a pandemic, the World Health Organization's chief says.

Margaret Chan said the outbreak was a "serious situation" which needed to be followed closely.

Ms Chan cut short a visit to the US and returned to Geneva for urgent talks.

Health experts say tests so far seem to link the illnesses in Mexico with a new swine flu virus that sickened eight people in the southern US.

The WHO's new emergency committee is now meeting - though health officials say it may be premature to advise against travel to Mexico.

HAVE YOUR SAY I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from 'under control' Yeny Gregorio Davila, Mexico City

The committee will be discussing whether to declare a public health emergency, and whether to raise the global pandemic alert level.

The WHO says it does not know the full risk yet.

It is advising all member states to be vigilant for seasonally unusual flu or pneumonia-like symptoms among their populations - particularly among young healthy adults, who seem to be the most affected in Mexico.

Officials said most of those killed so far were young adults - rather than more vulnerable children and the elderly.

Precautions

Schools, museums and libraries have been closed across the capital region and people are being urged to avoid shaking hands or sharing crockery.

All public events have been suspended, an official said. Two previously sold-out soccer matches were played in empty stadiums to avoid potentially spreading the virus.

And in the US, the White House said it was watching the situation.

Dr Richard Besser, acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said that preliminary tests on seven out of 14 samples from patients in Mexico had matched the virus found in the US.

Eight people have fallen sick in the US - six in California and two in Texas - with a virus the WHO say was the same as the new strain of swine flu, designated H1N1.

All eight have recovered and only one was hospitalised.

SWINE FLU

Swine flu is a respiratory disease found in pigs
Human cases usually occur in those who have contact with pigs
Human-to-human transmission is rare and such cases are closely monitored

The CDC said it planned to send experts to Mexico to help investigate the virus which has infected more than 1,000 people in the country.

Ms Chan confirmed the virus was an animal strain - a mixture of swine, human and avian flu viruses.

Swine flu is a respiratory disease which infects pigs. It does not normally infect humans, although sporadic cases do occur usually in people who have had close contact with pigs.


Are you in Mexico? Do you know someone who has been affected by the outbreak? Tell us your experiences by filling in the form below.

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[boutons_deux]

The two in TX are in Schertz, a N/E suburb of SA.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/health/Swine_flu_confirmed_in_San_Antonio_area.html

[hater]

crazy thing is last nite I dreamt everyone was wearing masks. and I had no idea about this till this morning :wow

[SnakeBoy]

6% mortality rate, that's pretty scary. I hope it's not resistant to Tamiflu.

[Heath Ledger]

They said the same thing about the Asian Bird Flu...

[boutons_deux]

8 New York Students Test Positive for Rare Flu Virus (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/26/world/americas/26flu.html?hp)


http://www.nytimes.com/

[MiamiHeat]

t ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE IMMINENT @!!!!!

[Col. Sam Daniels]

The citizens of Cedar Creek already have the E-1101 serum!

[E-1101]

I wish I could help but I am the last bag, and besides I'm really not that big of a Spurs fan right now. Maybe after the playoffs! :tu

[Maj.Gen. McClintock]

(http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16528)

I want Col. Sam Daniels arrested immediately!

[sook]

Normally i wouldn't care but mexico is right over the boarder and those fuckers sneak in here on a daily basis.

[JoeChalupa]

Normally i wouldn't care but mexico is right over the boarder and those fuckers sneak in here on a daily basis.

I live in Converse just south of Schertz!! I wrapped a sock around my face though.

[antimvp]

finally, God deals with the cartels in his own biblical way................

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/26/swine.flu/index.html

[boutons_deux]

Worldwide, Nations Rush to Keep Swine Flu Contained

HONG KONG (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/hongkong/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) — Officials around the world on Sunday raced to contain an outbreak of swine flu (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/the-flu/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier) as potential new cases were reported from New Zealand (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/newzealand/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) to Hong Kong to Spain, raising concerns about the potential for a global pandemic.

Governments issued travel advisories urging people not to travel to Mexico (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/mexico/index.html?inline=nyt-geo), the apparent origin of the outbreak, where 81 people have died and some 1,300 have been infected.

China, Russia and others set up quarantines for anyone possibly infected. Some countries banned pork imports from Mexico, even though there is no link between food products and the flu (http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/the-flu/overview.html?inline=nyt-classifier), and others were screening air travelers for signs of the disease.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/world/27flu.html?hp

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I wonder how many US spring breakers brought it back from MX?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Run for your lives!

[balli]

Fuck every single republican voter and/or legislator who worked to block Kathleen Sebelius's nomination, because now, over fucking abortion paranoia, our nation is without a Health and Human Services Sec. during a full blown public health emergency.

[boutons_deux]

As usual, it will probably mostly sicken and kill the newborns and old people, whose immune systems are compromised or not fully functional.

[gtownspur]

but croutons_deuce, its killing mostly healthy young adults.

[DarrinS]

Fuck every single republican voter and/or legistlator who worked to block Kathleen Sebelius's nomination, because now, over fucking abortion paranoia, our nation is without a Health and Human Services Sec. during a full blown public health emergency.


Oh no! We're all fucked. What government official is going to take care of us now? Waaaaaaa.

[gtownspur]

Oh no! We're all fucked. What government official is going to take care of us now? Waaaaaaa.


lololol!!

[balli]

That's usually a dumbass argument reserved for economic matters, I guess the republican line on this is, "if your immune system's not strong enough, fuck you then, shoulda been more self-reliant."

And I highly doubt that say democrats had hypothetically blocked an anti-abortion Mike Leavitt, that you clowns would decry his position as a useless tool of the dependant... had this happened on Bush's watch.

Fucking idiots.


Less than two weeks after raising the prospect of seceding from the union, Texas Gov. Rick Perry is calling on the federal government to come to his state's aid in the midst of the swine flu outbreak.

The San Marcos Record reports:

Gov. Rick Perry today in a precautionary measure requested the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) provide 37,430 courses of antiviral medications from the Strategic National Stockpile to Texas to prevent the spread of swine flu. [...]


"As a precautionary measure, I have requested that medication be on hand in Texas to help curb the spread of swine flu by helping those with both confirmed and suspected cases of this swine flu virus, as well as healthcare providers who may have come in contact with these patients," said Gov. Rick Perry. "We will continue to work with our local, state and federal health officials to ensure public safety is protected."

[PixelPusher]

Oh no! We're all fucked. What government official is going to take care of us now? Waaaaaaa.


lololol!!

Pandemics are local issues! State's rights FTW!

:rolleyes

[balli]

double post

[FaithInOne]

Fuck every single republican voter and/or legislator who worked to block Kathleen Sebelius's nomination, because now, over fucking abortion paranoia, our nation is without a Health and Human Services Sec. during a full blown public health emergency.


Oh no! We're all fucked. What government official is going to take care of us now? Waaaaaaa.


pwnt!

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Why is her nomination being held up again?

Can any board Republican explain that?

[Ignignokt]

Pandemics are local issues! State's rights FTW!

:rolleyes

the government health agency can't function without Sebelius. :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Why is her nomination being held up again?

Can any board Republican explain that?

[DarrinS]

Swine flu map

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&z=5);

[ploto]

For those who care, all students and family of students from Steele High School have been quarantined and parents are not even supposed to go to work. They have even been placed on the no-fly lists and are not allowed to board a plane.

[boutons_deux]

CDC doesn't need Sibelius to give it orders.

I bet the MXs killed by the flu are poor, poorly fed

[oklahomasuckstexas]

For those who care, all students and family of students from Steele High School have been quarantined and parents are not even supposed to go to work. They have even been placed on the no-fly lists and are not allowed to board a plane.
my cousin lives in the schertz & cibolo area. really near steele hs. we are going to cali this weekend...

you tellin me she cant go because she is on the no fly lists?
where is the no fly list at? how do they determine this?

[ploto]

my cousin lives in the schertz & cibolo area. really near steele hs. we are going to cali this weekend...

you tellin me she cant go because she is on the no fly lists?

Does she go to Steele? It is my understanding that these students have been notified that they have been placed on the no-fly list. I have a family member who qualified for a national competition and he was supposed to fly to Florida on Tuesday, but they told him he can not go and he can not get on a plane. :depressed:depressed

[sook]

NO!O!!!!! We're all gonna die!!!!! :X :X :depressed:(

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Fuck every single republican voter and/or legislator who worked to block Kathleen Sebelius's nomination, because now, over fucking abortion paranoia, our nation is without a Health and Human Services Sec. during a full blown public health emergency.

:lol

What's she going to do? The same thing Obama's doing... put the CDC on it and ask for daily updates.

Damn Republicans!

[LnGrrrR]

What? No board Republicans have been blaming Obama yet? I'm floored. :D

[ElNono]

This one is for Galileo...

What the plausibility of this mutation being created by some pharma company and releasing it into the wild in Mexico?

[angel_luv]

I live in Converse just south of Schertz!! I wrapped a sock around my face though.

I didn't realize we were such close neighbors. :)

[johnsmith]

What? No board Republicans have been blaming Obama yet? I'm floored. :D

That would be dumb to blame a political party for a flu outbreak....................wait, sorry Bali.

[Winehole23]

This one is for Galileo...

What the plausibility of this mutation being created by some pharma company and releasing it into the wild in Mexico?It has pushed torture off the front pages too.

Google *swine flu* *NWO* and *beta test.*

This company (http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html) is making the vaccines.

[nkdlunch]

The end of Mexico is near. They just had a major earthquake on top of the virus.

Best solution might be to drop a couple of H bombs :wow

[Winehole23]

Not giving any of this credence, mind you, just passing on some reporting in the suggested vein.

[DarrinS]

Dick Cheney created the virus in his bunker/biolab.


-Galileo

[Winehole23]

[Karl Rove] dismissed Obey's proposals as "disturbing" and "laden with new spending programs." He said the congressman was peddling a plan based on "deeply flawed assumptions."



Like what?



Rove specifically complained that Obey's proposal included "$462 million for the Centers for Disease Control, and $900 million for pandemic flu preparations."



This was wrong, the political operative charged, because the health care sector added jobs in 2008.



As bizarre as that criticism may sound -- especially now -- Rove's argument was picked up by House and Senate Republicans, who made it an essential message in their attacks on the legislation. Even as Rove and his compatriots argued that a stimulus bill should include initiatives designed to shore-up and maintain any recovery, they consistently, and loudly, objected to spending money to address the potentially devastating economic impact of a major public health emergency (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/430261/gop_know_nothings_fought_pandemic_preparedness).



Senate Democratic leaders bowed to Collins in the process of crafting their chamber's version of the stimulus. In doing so, they eliminated more than 80 percent of the modest amount of money that had been allocated for pandemic preparedness -- and all of the money that would have helped emergency services.


Collins played politics with public health, and the economic recovery. That makes her about as bad a player as you will find in a town full of bad players.



But Senate Democrats bent to her demands. That makes them, at the very least, complicit in the weakening of what needed to be a muscular plan.



The bottom line is that there were no heroes in either party on the Senate side of the ugly process that ridiculed and then eliminated pandemic preparedness funding....which a majority Democratic Congress passed and Obama signed into law. No heroes here. Just another gruesome day at the sausage plant.

[FaithInOne]

This one is for Galileo...

What the plausibility of this mutation being created by some pharma company and releasing it into the wild in Mexico?

Perhaps the one Donnie RumRum was CEO of and mass produced the cure which was readily bought up by the fed government under Bush..

dun dun DUuuuuuunnn

[Winehole23]

Maybe, maybe not (http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/53129/concern-swine-flu-may-be-tamiflu-resistant).

[PixelPusher]

...which a majority Democratic Congress passed and Obama signed into law. No heroes here. Just another gruesome day at the sausage plant.

I just hope to Christ this doesn't end up being included in the parade of horrible ironies.

5NkBamBzbs0

[PixelPusher]

btw, when did the axiom "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" become a contemptible liberal/liberal-fascist/socialist/communist/hippie/secular-progressive trope that must be opposed, for the love of Reagan, by all faithful conservatives?

c3_Ax3KVdp8

p.s. Congressional Dem cowardice FTL, once again.

[Mr Roper]

You ever read what the folks at youtube have to say?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_Ax3KVdp8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spurstalk.com%2Fforums%2Fsho wthread.php%3Ft%3D124131%26page%3D2&feature=player_embedded



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Any fourth grader could figure out that it hurts the economy if many workers are sick and dying from the flu. Now we are threatened with a swine flu pandemic.

Collins got her wish getting the pandemic preparedness stripped from the bill in exchange for her vote--and then voted against the bill anyway! Not only is she STUPID, she is also untrustworthy. The people of Maine should be ashamed of themselves for electing an imbecile to the Senate.
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This BITCH has just removed the piece on her website touting her opposition to some 780 million in funds for pandemic flu preparedness.
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This BITCH has just removed the piece on her website touting her opposition to some 780 million in funds for pandemic flu preparedness.
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Oh silly GOP, can never really think it all out before acting. Sounds like something happening in the Middle East...

[xrayzebra]

Fuck every single republican voter and/or legislator who worked to block Kathleen Sebelius's nomination, because now, over fucking abortion paranoia, our nation is without a Health and Human Services Sec. during a full blown public health emergency.


No Problem, we got Obama to keep us safe.

[FaithInOne]

Hey Bali, how'd that whole government-swine flu thing work out out in the 70's :lmao

[MiamiHeat]

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NEED :

medical supplies
20 beautiful women to help me repopulate earth
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[1369]

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stadium sized lights to surround home
demolition traps

You forgot the chainsaw.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You forgot the chainsaw.

And the bad ass dog to watch your back.

[smeagol]

I remember when SARS was around.

And then nothing happened . . .

[ElNono]

NEED :

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fify

[hope4dopes]

That's usually a dumbass argument reserved for economic matters, I guess the republican line on this is, "if your immune system's not strong enough, fuck you then, shoulda been more self-reliant."

And I highly doubt that say democrats had hypothetically blocked an anti-abortion Mike Leavitt, that you clowns would decry his position as a useless tool of the dependant... had this happened on Bush's watch.

Fucking idiots.



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[sook]

ok so i have a really bad respiratory infection...and I have been feeling EXTREMELY lethargic. But i don't have a fever...should i go see a doctor?

I don't know...its bothering the crud out of me.

[mouse]

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[bobbybob0]

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http://www.geekologie.com/2009/01/29/zombies-1.jpg

[DarrinS]

I remember when SARS was around.

And then nothing happened . . .



And then the bird flu. Nothing.

[MannyIsGod]

I was on a plane on Friday and now today I have a sore throat and the shits.

Son of a bitch.

[DarrinS]

I was on a plane on Friday and now today I have a sore throat and the shits.

Son of a bitch.


Seriously? I wouldn't worry too much. Go get yourself some Tamiflu.

[MannyIsGod]

If I have the swine flu then I'm taking as many people with me as possible. I'm going to school in a bit and I'm going to breathe on everyone.

[DarrinS]

If I have the swine flu then I'm taking as many people with me as possible. I'm going to school in a bit and I'm going to breathe on everyone.


Hopefully, you go to A&M.

Just kidding.

[CubanMustGo]

Seriously? I wouldn't worry too much. Go get yourself some Tamiflu.

Something DarrinS and I can agree on.

[SnakeBoy]

ok so i have a really bad respiratory infection...and I have been feeling EXTREMELY lethargic. But i don't have a fever...should i go see a doctor?

I don't know...its bothering the crud out of me.

If your thinking maybe you have the flu then you probably don't have the flu. The flu hits you like a freight train and you'll know it for sure. I've had the flu once in my life, over 20 years ago. I can still remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when it knocked me on my ass.

My wife has been getting calls all day from patients worried because their throat hurts or they have a runny nose. The media sure is doing a good job of freaking everyone out.

[sook]

Yea its just and upper resp infection. I took some dayquill today and i am fine now. :)

[Winehole23]

...

[hater]

I told you so. It's officially a pandemic, level 5 out of 6. :tu

Egypt just ordered the xenocyde of all pigs in Egyptian territory. :wow

[Yonivore]

Simple question and maybe it's already been asked and answered -- although, I've yet to see any news reporters ask any officials:

Other than being out of flu season -- why is this different than the seasonal flu that kills approximately 35,000 Americans annually? (Folks, that's 100 people a day).

Seriously, I don't know why this is different.

[ChumpDumper]

I think the victim profile in Mexico has included many more people who would be thought to be more resistant to the average flu.

[Yonivore]

I think the victim profile in Mexico has included many more people who would be thought to be more resistant to the average flu.
Even so, the number of cases and the number of deaths are no where near the proportions we see during an average flu season....where millions are infected and -- as has already been said -- tens of thousands die.

[ChumpDumper]

Even so, the number of cases and the number of deaths are no where near the proportions we see during an average flu season....where millions are infected and -- as has already been said -- tens of thousands die.It's still quite early in the process.

[Yonivore]

It's still quite early in the process.
Fair enough. We'll see how this plays out but, if it turns out like the swine flue nonsense in the 70's more people will end up dying from the government's actions than do from the disease...

Maybe I'm misremembering but, did the swine flu vaccine Gerald Ford ordered us all to take kill about 700 people?

[ChumpDumper]

I think it sickened hundreds and a couple died, but I could be wrong.

[Yonivore]

I think it sickened hundreds and a couple died, but I could be wrong.
Okay...I heard a 600-something figure the other day but, wasn't really paying attention. They could have been talking about how many died from something else.

Anyway, they're sure playing this up for not taking any action -- like restricting travel and closing the border. If it's that early in the game, closing the border seems logical to me.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah, it's already in the states and closing the border during a recession is pretty reckless.

[SnakeBoy]

Simple question and maybe it's already been asked and answered -- although, I've yet to see any news reporters ask any officials:

Other than being out of flu season -- why is this different than the seasonal flu that kills approximately 35,000 Americans annually? (Folks, that's 100 people a day).

Seriously, I don't know why this is different.


I asked my wife (a physician) the same thing and this is how she explained it to me. In the 1918 pandemic the strain killed people who perfectly healthy as opposed to the young & old who are the usual victims of the normal flu. Also the 1918 strain initially was not extremely lethal but after 6 months or so it became much more damaging. So basically since this is not the seasonal flu but a completely new strain and it seems to have some of those 1918 characteristics it has the potential to be really bad.

[Wild Cobra]

Don't you guys get it. This isn't news. Thousands of people die from the flue every year. This scare is just to take focus off the Air Force one story...

[ChumpDumper]

Don't you guys get it. This isn't news. Thousands of people die from the flue every year. This scare is just to take focus off the Air Force one story...Wild Cobra is an idiot.

[hater]

I ain't takin no vaccine. Either I take out the swine flue, or the swine flue takes me out.

[MiamiHeat]

someone get Will Smith on the phone

[Yonivore]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GpaZ4VWwGKo/SfeymeXnqPI/AAAAAAAABAQ/VGbZeoY6yQM/s1600/pig%2Bflu%2Bcause.bmp

[jman3000]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GpaZ4VWwGKo/SfeymeXnqPI/AAAAAAAABAQ/VGbZeoY6yQM/s1600/pig%2Bflu%2Bcause.bmp

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

Don't you guys get it. This isn't news. Thousands of people die from the flue every year. This scare is just to take focus off the Air Force one story...

Please tell me you're being cheeky. If you aren't, this is one of the most inane comments I have ever heard in my life, not just from Spurstalk, but anywhere, ever. That includes: 4chan, youtube comments, digg, and fark.com. To be anywhere in that area and to be serious about it.... that's astounding. If you're attempting to be coy, bravo, but if you aren't... you're some kind of genius idiot, and I don't mean like the savant type.

The picture you posted might exonerate you but it's not showing up. :bang

[SnakeBoy]

Other than being out of flu season -- why is this different than the seasonal flu that kills approximately 35,000 Americans annually? (Folks, that's 100 people a day).



This isn't news. Thousands of people die from the flue every year.

I've heard this rational on some radio shows. It's just flawed logic.

Each year 96 million cases of flu in the US, 35000 deaths, that's .03% mortality.

As of saturday the cases/deaths reported from mexico showed a 6.8% mortality rate.

So if this strain spread just like the regular flu and the mortality rate remained the same you'd be looking at around 659,000 deaths.

See the difference yet?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Don't you guys get it. This isn't news. Thousands of people die from the flue every year. This scare is just to take focus off the Air Force one story...
nope. just excellent PR for this nationalized healthcare vote that's coming up. the left hand is waving at you while the right hand is pushing everything into place.

[SnakeBoy]

the left hand is waving at you while the right hand is pushing everything into place.

Ahhh, a Glenn Beck fan. You should at least quote him.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Ahhh, a Glenn Beck fan. You should at least quote him.
didn't hear him say that on this situation, but it makes sense to me.

[SnakeBoy]

but it makes sense to me.

I'll probably regret asking but ok, what has been pushed into place since monday?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I'll probably regret asking but ok, what has been pushed into place since monday?
chump is that you?
but seriously, just give it time. i just can't understand how this avian flu "scare" we had a couple of years ago came and went with hardly a big loss of life. now we have this swine flu that first got reported literally days before all these cases started popping up. it just doesn't make sense to me, and this swine flu is on some level 5 with the highest level being 6. 1 death compared to 36,000 deaths annually.....come on. if you can point me to the "why" then i'll check it out, but something just doesn't add up with how i'm seeing it.

[bobbybob0]

it just doesn't make sense to me, and this swine flu is on some level 5 with the highest level being 6. 1 death compared to 36,000 deaths annually.....come on. if you can point me to the "why" then i'll check it out, but something just doesn't add up with how i'm seeing it.

Here's the why: people in US have been infected without actually going to Mexico. Only a few student from the NYC school went to Mexico for spring break but in total 49 were tested positive.

That fits WHO level 5


Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short.

http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/phase/en/index.html

[SnakeBoy]

i just can't understand how this avian flu "scare" we had a couple of years ago came and went with hardly a big loss of life. now we have this swine flu that first got reported literally days before all these cases started popping up. it just doesn't make sense to me, and this swine flu is on some level 5 with the highest level being 6. 1 death compared to 36,000 deaths annually.....come on. if you can point me to the "why" then i'll check it out, but something just doesn't add up with how i'm seeing it.

Well, I think I've already provided the information regarding the 36,000 normal flu deaths. You're just going to have to wait another week or so to know if this is going to be truely a serious pandemic. There have now been confirmed cases in 30 states and they are saying that is clear evidence of human to human infection. Think about this, they have identified patient zero (first infected) he was sick at the beginning of april. Thirty days later it's all over the world. As I mentioned before they say this has a 7 day incubation period so everytime you hear of a case reported that means that person was walking around, feeling fine, spreading the virus, for a week before they got sick and went to the doctor.

The avian flu scare is no mystery. People got it from birds and they were scared it would jump to human to human infections. It never did, but it still could. This current swine strain has apparently already done that.

If the avian flu ever does become a human to human virus you'll hear alot more panic about that than this swine flu. Mortality rates have been up to 80% with the avian flu.

[Cry Havoc]

chump is that you?
but seriously, just give it time. i just can't understand how this avian flu "scare" we had a couple of years ago came and went with hardly a big loss of life. now we have this swine flu that first got reported literally days before all these cases started popping up. it just doesn't make sense to me, and this swine flu is on some level 5 with the highest level being 6. 1 death compared to 36,000 deaths annually.....come on. if you can point me to the "why" then i'll check it out, but something just doesn't add up with how i'm seeing it.

Because if this strain of the virus mutates further (strengthens), we are suddenly looking at a much higher mortality rate with the ability to spread en masse to the general populace.

The WHO knows what they're doing. This wouldn't be a 5 unless it was a serious issue.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Here's the why: people in US have been infected without actually going to Mexico. Only a few student from the NYC school went to Mexico for spring break but in total 49 were tested positive.

That fits WHO level 5



http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/phase/en/index.html
ok, but is "regular" influenza rated or classified using this scale?

[bobbybob0]

ok, but is "regular" influenza rated or classified using this scale?

Regular influenza are in "Post Pandemic" phase with seasonal activity

http://www.who.int/entity/csr/disease/influenza/phases5-6.gif

This swine flu in new to the human race and it is unknow if any human has already developed antibodies for it.
Once the pandemic phase is finished most of the people will have developed antibodies for this specific kind of flue (by surviving the infection or through vaccination) and will not be affected by seasonal activities.

That's my understanding of the seriousness of this swine flue but I'm no physician of any kind.

[SnakeBoy]

ok, but is "regular" influenza rated or classified using this scale?

I'm not sure but I wouldn't think so since it already exists all over the world. The WHO rating is for the likely hood that a virus will spread all over the world. It's not for rating how severe the illness is.

[Extra Stout]

If the virus' DNA code spelled out "A L L A H U A K B A R" would it help y'all take it more seriously?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Regular influenza are in "Post Pandemic" phase with seasonal activity

http://www.who.int/entity/csr/disease/influenza/phases5-6.gif

This swine flu in new to the human race and it is unknow if any human has already developed antibodies for it.
Once the pandemic phase is finished most of the people will have developed antibodies for this specific kind of flue (by surviving the infection or through vaccination) and will not be affected by seasonal activities.

That's my understanding of the seriousness of this swine flue but I'm no physician of any kind.


I'm not sure but I wouldn't think so since it already exists all over the world. The WHO rating is for the likely hood that a virus will spread all over the world. It's not for rating how severe the illness is.


ah, so this is pretty much a "this is a new infection we have to start dealing with" chart before it's common, right?

[FaithInOne]

someone get Will Smith on the phone

Man, I'm still pissed they butchered Matheson's great creation :depressed

[MannyIsGod]

I had many of the same questions Viva did and I'd have to say its because the media does such a piss poor job of explaining just whayt those WHO codes mean and instead uses it to drive sensationalism.

That being said when there is this much worry over the disease there is likely a good reason for it even if I don't completely understand it. Words like Pandemic sound a lot worse than they actually are, but that doesn't mean they're not realy shitty situatoins.

[ChumpDumper]

My understanding is that the mutations of this current flu could be much worse in the next flu season. Let's hope folks don't blow it of because of the media's extended freak out this time around.

[hater]

IMO it's a big deal because all it takes is a virus that is lethal to most humans and resistant to drugs. This virus obviously looks like it's neither. But all it takes is 1 virus like this and we are pretty much done.

So IMO this pandemic bullshit is just preparation and practice for THE BIG ONE

[mouse]

I think we all know where the swine virus originated from.


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/RTM-3/swine.jpg

[SnakeBoy]

Democrat POTUS pandemic only got 5 pages...Sad!

[ChumpDumper]

Democrat POTUS pandemic only got 5 pages...Sad!What do you do when the president you support fails to protect the public leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths of American citizens?

A) Thoughtful introspection.

B) Reexamination of political beliefs.

C) Dad jokes.

[RandomGuy]

Even so, the number of cases and the number of deaths are no where near the proportions we see during an average flu season....where millions are infected and -- as has already been said -- tens of thousands die.

... odd echo in here.

[RandomGuy]

Democrat POTUS pandemic only got 5 pages...Sad!



[Karl Rove] dismissed Obey's proposals as "disturbing" and "laden with new spending programs." He said the congressman was peddling a plan based on "deeply flawed assumptions."

Like what?

Rove specifically complained that Obey's proposal included "$462 million for the Centers for Disease Control, and $900 million for pandemic flu preparations."

This was wrong, the political operative charged, because the health care sector added jobs in 2008.

As bizarre as that criticism may sound -- especially now -- Rove's argument was picked up by House and Senate Republicans, who made it an essential message in their attacks on the legislation. Even as Rove and his compatriots argued that a stimulus bill should include initiatives designed to shore-up and maintain any recovery, they consistently, and loudly, objected to spending money to address the potentially devastating economic impact of a major public health emergency.

-----------------------------


Senate Democratic leaders bowed to Collins in the process of crafting their chamber's version of the stimulus. In doing so, they eliminated more than 80 percent of the modest amount of money that had been allocated for pandemic preparedness -- and all of the money that would have helped emergency services.

Collins played politics with public health, and the economic recovery. That makes her about as bad a player as you will find in a town full of bad players.

But Senate Democrats bent to her demands. That makes them, at the very least, complicit in the weakening of what needed to be a muscular plan.

The bottom line is that there were no heroes in either party on the Senate side of the ugly process that ridiculed and then eliminated pandemic preparedness funding.

...which a majority Democratic Congress passed and Obama signed into law. No heroes here. Just another gruesome day at the sausage plant.

Fuck you and your party.

Fuck the Democrats for bowing to your stupidity.

[DMC]

You need to collect yourself, fix your makeup and here's some cab fare. Go home and try to reflect on what you did wrong here.

[SnakeBoy]

What do you do when the president you support fails to protect the public leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths of American citizens?

A) Thoughtful introspection.

B) Reexamination of political beliefs.

C) Dad jokes.

What do you when a Democrat president allows 10's of thousands of Americans to die, takes 7 months to even declare a national emergency, and never enacts mitigation on the country?

A) cuz Trump

B) cuz Trump

C) Kill healthcare workers for a burger

[ChumpDumper]

What do you when a Democrat president allows 10's of thousands of Americans to die, takes 7 months to even declare a national emergency, and never enacts mitigation on the country?

A) cuz Trump

B) cuz Trump

C) Kill healthcare workers for a burgerYou chose C.

I forgot to add

D) cuz Obama

Do you think Trump did anything wrong during this crisis which is not happening 11 years ago?

Yes or no.

If yes, please explain what he did wrong.

[hater]

IMO it's a big deal because all it takes is a virus that is lethal to most humans and resistant to drugs. This virus obviously looks like it's neither. But all it takes is 1 virus like this and we are pretty much done.

So IMO this pandemic bullshit is just preparation and practice for THE BIG ONE

:wow

fucking Nostradamus :wow

[hater]

crazy thing is last nite I dreamt everyone was wearing masks. and I had no idea about this till this morning :wow

:wow :wow

this poster is fucking scary :wow

[SnakeBoy]

:wow

fucking Nostradamus :wow

You called it :toast

[SnakeBoy]

You chose C.

I forgot to add

D) cuz Obama

Do you think Trump did anything wrong during this crisis which is not happening 11 years ago?

Yes or no.

If yes, please explain what he did wrong.

I think he's done great. Especially in helping out high population density blue districts respond to a completely predictable epidemic they never bothered to prepare for.

[ChumpDumper]

I think he's done great. Especially in helping out high population density blue districts respond to a completely predictable epidemic they never bothered to prepare for.That wasn't the question. Please answer the question that was asked.

Do you think Trump did anything wrong during this crisis which is not happening 11 years ago?

Yes or no.

If yes, please explain what he did wrong.

[Splits]

:wow

fucking Nostradamus :wow

You typed and punctuated so well back then. What happened?

[Thread]

I think he's done great. Especially in helping out high population density blue districts respond to a completely predictable epidemic they never bothered to prepare for.

Tell it, Snake. Strike!!!

[Thread]

What do you when a Democrat president allows 10's of thousands of Americans to die, takes 7 months to even declare a national emergency, and never enacts mitigation on the country?

A) cuz Trump

B) cuz Trump

C) Kill healthcare workers for a burger

Snake

[ChumpDumper]

I think he's done great. Especially in helping out high population density blue districts respond to a completely predictable epidemic they never bothered to prepare for.


That wasn't the question. Please answer the question that was asked.

Do you think Trump did anything wrong during this crisis which is not happening 11 years ago?

Yes or no.

If yes, please explain what he did wrong.Still thinking about it?

:lol

[RandomGuy]

[personal attack].

[indifference]

[RandomGuy]

What do you when a Democrat president allows 10's of thousands of Americans to die, takes 7 months to even declare a national emergency, and never enacts mitigation on the country?

A) cuz Trump

B) cuz Trump

C) Kill healthcare workers for a burger


The Obama administration declared swine flu, or H1N1, a public health emergency six weeks before H1N1 was declared a pandemic.
No H1N1 deaths had yet been recorded in the United States.

Six months after that initial declaration, when more than 1,000 deaths had occurred, Obama himself declared H1N1 a national emergency.


Our ruling
The headline of an article shared on Facebook claimed: "Obama waited six months to call swine flu an emergency after thousands died."

In October 2009, after more than 1,000 people in the United States had died of swine flu, also known as H1N1, Obama declared a national emergency.

But six months earlier, his administration declared H1N1 a public health emergency. At that point, no deaths in the United States had occurred.

We rate the statement False.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/04/facebook-posts/president-obama-declared-h1n1-public-health-emerge/

Fact fucking fail.

I am more than able to admit that a good chunk of the criticism leveled at Trump is thin.

But, the meat of it, that trump dithered, and EVEN NOW is bunglefucking the response is spot on.

Quit lying, and quit trying to deflect from that failure. Testing ramp up came months too late, as did the admission or realization that this was going to be bad.

Quit carrying water for a shallow narcissist who would literally throw you to the wolves to save himself.

He doesn't deserve your loyalty.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/04/facebook-posts/president-obama-declared-h1n1-public-health-emerge/

Fact fucking fail.

I am more than able to admit that a good chunk of the criticism leveled at Trump is thin.

But, the meat of it, that trump dithered, and EVEN NOW is bunglefucking the response is spot on.

Quit lying, and quit trying to deflect from that failure. Testing ramp up came months too late, as did the admission or realization that this was going to be bad.

Quit carrying water for a shallow narcissist who would literally throw you to the wolves to save himself.

He doesn't deserve your loyalty.These people don't realize THEY ARE BETTER THAN TRUMP but they choose to defend him often literally to the death and pretend he is perfect because....I have no idea why.

[SnakeBoy]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/04/facebook-posts/president-obama-declared-h1n1-public-health-emerge/


Hater started THIS thread 7 months before Obama declared National Emergency. Obama never tried mitigation. Obama killed tens of thousands. Trump is saving millions.

[ChumpDumper]

Hater started THIS thread 7 months before Obama declared National Emergency. Obama never tried mitigation. Obama killed tens of thousands. Trump is saving millions.:lol "saving millions"

You got the new talking points.

Do you think Trump did anything wrong during this crisis which is not happening 11 years ago?

Yes or no.

If yes, please explain what he did wrong.

[hater]

You typed and punctuated so well back then. What happened?

cellphones ma jig. steve jobs killed the english language

[RandomGuy]

Hater started THIS thread 7 months before Obama declared National Emergency. Obama never tried mitigation. Obama killed tens of thousands. Trump is saving millions.


The New York Times reported on April 26, 2009:

Responding to what some health officials feared could be the leading edge of a global pandemic emerging from Mexico, American health officials declared a public health emergency on Sunday as 20 cases of swine flu were confirmed in this country, including eight in New York City.


04-25-2009#1 hater


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has a detailed timeline of this pandemic on its website. It shows that the CDC first activated its Emergency Operations Center (EOC) on April 22, 2009. At the time, there were only two confirmed cases in the United States. On April 25, 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a public health emergency of international concern, and the following day the Obama administration did the same. At that time, there were about 20 confirmed cases.

Despite the CDC’s efforts, the swine flu continued to spread. Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of health and human services, renewed the emergency declaration on July 24, 2009, and then again on Oct. 1, 2009. On Oct. 24, 2009, Obama declared a national emergency that gave officials more resources to fight the pandemic.

They started taking the first steps BEFORE this thread was started.


In sum, the PJ Media article claimed that Obama “waited” until millions of people were infected with H1N1 before he declared an “emergency.” But that isn’t the case. The Obama administration started to address H1N1 just as the disease emerged in April 2009. A public health emergency was declared on April 26, 2009, when there were about 20 confirmed cases in the United States. The Obama administration renewed this declaration twice in the ensuing months before declaring a national emergency in October 2009.

The propaganda you are vomiting up here left out a lot of the steps that were being taken.

#SuckerBoy

[ChumpDumper]

They started taking the first steps BEFORE this thread was started.



The propaganda you are vomiting up here left out a lot of the steps that were being taken.

#SuckerBoy:lol this guy will definitely want to practice social distancing away from the 2018-19 flu season

Did Trump even tweet about that when it was happening?

[DMC]

I am more than able to admit that a good chunk of the criticism leveled at Trump is thin.


At least something around here is thin.

[RandomGuy]

Hater started THIS thread 7 months before Obama declared National Emergency. Obama never tried mitigation. Obama killed tens of thousands. Trump is saving millions.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHA

[baseline bum]

btw, when did the axiom "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" become a contemptible liberal/liberal-fascist/socialist/communist/hippie/secular-progressive trope that must be opposed, for the love of Reagan, by all faithful conservatives?

c3_Ax3KVdp8

p.s. Congressional Dem cowardice FTL, once again.

Wow Collins being a shitbag 11 years ago, who would have guessed.

[baseline bum]

:wow

fucking Nostradamus :wow


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmhVw6q-KOA

[baseline bum]

I remember when SARS was around.

And then nothing happened . . .

And then SARS2 came around and...

[RandomGuy]

What do you when a Democrat president allows 10's of thousands of Americans to die, takes 7 months to even declare a national emergency, and never enacts mitigation on the country?

A) cuz Trump

B) cuz Trump

C) Kill healthcare workers for a burger

Here is a post that didnt age well, either.