Byron Scott should be fired!

[sonic21]

He has no visible gameplans, and doesn't change anything no matter what team he's going against.

He watches certain guys get exploited time and time again and doesn't do anything.

He blames everything on "lack of effort" from his team, despite not doing his job in the previously stated areas.

He doesn't play guys he doesn't like, no matter how much more talent they have.

he's making excuses for everything, never taking the blame and admitting any faults. Yet, he calls out his players and constantly comes up with reasons why he doesn't like or play certain guys.

Obviously, CP3 sucked in this serie and the other players played like scrubs, but Scott is the 1st to blame. He should resign after tonight's game. This is inexcusable.

[fevertrees]

But But But he was Coach of the Year last season!!!

[scanry]

Have you seen the talent on that team?

The same goes for the Spurs. The Spurs can't get it done with Duncan & Parker alone, and neither can the Hornets with CP3 & West.

There is a reason why Phil Jackson is the best coach in the NBA. He'll always take his team an extra game or two in the post season. He's the ultimate motivator and the people who blamed him for getting outcoached in the finals last year are dumb. The Celtics should've beaten them in 5, and the Celtics bench was scary.

[sonic21]

But But But he was Coach of the Year last season!!!

exactly, like avery and sam mitchell who were fired a year later, thanks for agreeing with me :tu

[KidCongo]

Mike Brown will defy the COY trend.

[KidCongo]

Hornets should trade for Bosh.

[Rogue]

But But But he was Coach of the Year last season!!!
George Walker Bush was the president of US last year.

[stretch]

Hornets should get Amare. Paul's skills + Amare's dunking/pick n roll + West shooting mid-range = LETHAL.

[lefty]

Telented Point Guards have made Scott look good since he joined the NBA:

- Magic Johnson

- Jason Kidd

- CP3

[jacobdrj]

Well, Byron looks like he is in fact a 'deer in the headlights' coach (OSCL). Watch the 2003 NBA Finals... Byron had a bone to pick with Mutumbo that probably cost them a shot at the series... Looks like it wasn't a fluke. That is how Byron rolls...

[redzero]

I agree with you, Sonic. Scott refuses to use Mo Pete, even though Rasual Butler shouldn't be playing 40+ minutes a game. Scott absolutely refuses to make any changes or adapt.

[IronMexican]

Mike Brown will defy the COY trend.

I've never seen anyone suck off the Cavs as much as you. You probably suck you're team off more than any other fan here.

[Morg1411]

I agree with you, Sonic. Scott refuses to use Mo Pete, even though Rasual Butler shouldn't be playing 40+ minutes a game. Scott absolutely refuses to make any changes or adapt.

I won't be surprised if he finally makes a change for Game 5.

It'll just be the wrong change, and it will have come too late.

[BRHornet45]

co-signed

[pauls931]

be careful what you wish for, it didn't exactly workout for pho thinking that dantoni was their problem.

[redzero]

be careful what you wish for, it didn't exactly workout for pho thinking that dantoni was their problem.

Well, the exception is that Scott isn't a good coach in the first place.

[Mel_13]

Bill Simmons watched the Clippers play the Hornets in November. Some excerpts from that article:

"Midway through the second quarter, I asked my friend Tollin, "Are we sure the Hornets like their coach?" After all, the Nets practically revolted against Byron Scott four years ago. So there is a precedent.

We studied the Hornets for the next hour like marriage counselors.

Anyway, that Ph.D. comes down to paying attention to the little things. The way players walk toward the bench after a timeout.

And the telltale sign ... what happens when a top player gets called over by coach when someone is shooting free throws.

This can unfold one of three ways:

A. Player runs over respectfully and seems genuinely interested in the coach's wisdom. Watch what happens when Popovich calls over Duncan or Parker in a Spurs game. Total respect. They look like someone jogging over to a police officer.

B. Player jogs over, doesn't seem totally interested, but doesn't want to seem like a jerk either. This usually sums up 75 percent of the league.

C. Player does a double-take and his head kicks back briefly (like he's thinking, "Really, I have to talk to this guy again???"). He saunters over disdainfully. When he reaches the coach, he makes eye contact for the first two seconds, then starts subconsciously pulling away (first with his eyes, then with his body leaning back toward the coach), and at about the six-second mark, he just starts walking back toward the court whether the coach is finished talking or not. Everything about the exchange says, "I've just had it with this freaking guy."

I mistakenly believed that Chris Paul and Scott had an "A" relationship but in the second half of Monday's game, it was revealed that they were a "C." At least right now. Translation: I am no longer sold on the 2009 Hornets."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081126&sportCat=nba

[21_Blessings]

Yes blame Scott.

Its his fault that:

- Peja is more than done and was overpaid
- Chandler's an injury prone princess that management tried to trade, a trade that was then rejected because he was so fucking injury prone
- David West is an overrated dirty piece of shit that has no game outisde of a wide open jumper
- Paul sucked donkey balls and flops like fish
- Worst Bench In The League

So yeah fire him. It will solve none of those problems.

[Morg1411]

Yes blame Scott.

Its his fault that:

- Peja is more than done and was overpaid
- Chandler's an injury prone princess that management tried to trade, a trade that was then rejected because he was so fucking injury prone
- David West is an overrated dirty piece of shit that has no game outisde of a wide open jumper
- Paul sucked donkey balls and flops like fish
- Worst Bench In The League

So yeah fire him. It will solve none of those problems.

But it WOULD fit in with the NBA's #1 trend this year....

[Chris Fall]

Well my back is getting pretty sore these days from carrying him for so long. And some of you wonder why I slip and fall so much. It's from this bad back.

[sook]

be careful what you wish for, it didn't exactly workout for pho thinking that dantoni was their problem.

dantoni revolutionized the suns. This is cp3 making scott look good.

[jack sommerset]

WTF have the Hornets done? Get past the 1st round last year. Thats pretty much it. The rode the wave for as long as they could. Now the team is broke and they will suck dick the next 10 years.

[BRHornet45]

Yes blame Scott.

Its his fault that:

- Peja is more than done and was overpaid
- Chandler's an injury prone princess that management tried to trade, a trade that was then rejected because he was so fucking injury prone
- David West is an overrated dirty piece of shit that has no game outisde of a wide open jumper
- Paul sucked donkey balls and flops like fish
- Worst Bench In The League

So yeah fire him. It will solve none of those problems.

LOL at some of you Laker fans who are so high on Byron Scott ... do you guys really want him that bad??? PLEASE TAKE HIM!!! ....

sure he was a great player for your team, but he is a terribly overrated coach. He doesn't know how to develop young players AT ALL, he doesn't adjust his game plans, etc... He is good with one thing and one thing only and that is working with established veteran players .... he even admits that himself. so what does that say about his coaching??? anyone can look decent/good whenever they are working with established veteran players and refuses to give anyone with less than 5 years experience a chance .... Scott takes the easy route and kicks all of the young players to the curb.... oh and its NEVER his fault. the man will NEVER accept ANY of the blame.

[JamStone]

Yes blame Scott.

Its his fault that:

- Peja is more than done and was overpaid
- Chandler's an injury prone princess that management tried to trade, a trade that was then rejected because he was so fucking injury prone
- David West is an overrated dirty piece of shit that has no game outisde of a wide open jumper
- Paul sucked donkey balls and flops like fish
- Worst Bench In The League

So yeah fire him. It will solve none of those problems.

-Byron Scott is the #1 reason the Hornets signed Peja to that ridiculous contract. Even the Pacers who had Peja's Bird rights weren't willing to pay him that much. Peja being more than done and overpaid is directly Byron Scott's fault.

-Tyson Chandler is a problem but what were the Hornet's alternatives after PJ Brown's contract expire? Better if Hilton Armstrong were the starting center the last three seasons? Marc Jackson? Cedric Simmons?

It's not that the players don't take some blame in it as well. But, Byron Scott hasn't shown much in terms of coaching.

[Hornets1]

WTF have the Hornets done? Get past the 1st round last year. Thats pretty much it. The rode the wave for as long as they could. Now the team is broke and they will suck dick the next 10 years.

Something you guys havent done in over a decade.

BTW, the Rockets won 2 championships b/c of Michael Jordan(not playing), which is like winning a major w/o Tiger playing.

[21_Blessings]

-Byron Scott is the #1 reason the Hornets signed Peja to that ridiculous contract. Even the Pacers who had Peja's Bird rights weren't willing to pay him that much. Peja being more than done and overpaid is directly Byron Scott's fault.

We're talking Scott the coach not the GM. And no, he wasn't the #1 reason they signed Peja unless you're telling me he is the defacto GM and tells the owner what to do, which he doesn't.

Even then that is easily solved by hiring a real general manager and the owner actually caring about winning; which the Hornet's owner doesn't. All he cares about is payroll.


-Tyson Chandler is a problem but what were the Hornet's alternatives after PJ Brown's contract expire? Better if Hilton Armstrong were the starting center the last three seasons? Marc Jackson? Cedric Simmons?

Yes fire B-Scott, problem solved dude!


It's not that the players don't take some blame in it as well. But, Byron Scott hasn't shown much in terms of coaching.

Bullshit. Two final appearances with a team that really had no business there in the first place. No one expected NO to grab the 2nd seed last season. His teams play hard on the defensive end. Firing Scott at this point will only make the Hornets worse and that's the reality.

[BRHornet45]

We're talking Scott the coach not the GM. And no, he wasn't the #1 reason they signed Peja unless you're telling me he is the defacto GM and tells the owner what to do, which he doesn't.

Even then that is easily solved by hiring a real general manager and the owner actually caring about winning; which the Hornet's owner doesn't. All he cares about is payroll.



Yes fire B-Scott, problem solved dude!



Bullshit. Two final appearances with a team that really had no business there in the first place. No one expected NO to grab the 2nd seed last season. His teams play hard on the defensive end. Firing Scott at this point will only make the Hornets worse and that's the reality.


son you are fucking CLUELESS .... stop watching old video tapes of Scott's Laker days and lay off hugging his nuts so much. the guy is a bum of a coach. there is a good reason why Kidd ran him out of NJ and hopefully Paul will run him out of N.O. ..... the ONLY reason he won that fluke "coach of the year" award last season was 100% because of the media attention around Chris Paul ...

[JamStone]

We're talking Scott the coach not the GM. And no, he wasn't the #1 reason they signed Peja unless you're telling me he is the defacto GM and tells the owner what to do, which he doesn't.

Even then that is easily solved by hiring a real general manager and the owner actually caring about winning; which the Hornet's owner doesn't. All he cares about is payroll.

So are you saying NBA head coaches have no say in personnel moves? It's well documented that Byron Scott pushed for the Hornets to sign Peja because of his ties as an assistant coach in Sacramento.



Yes fire B-Scott, problem solved dude!

Not what I said. But, Chandler's issues do not absolve Byron Scott from any blame.




Bullshit. Two final appearances with a team that really had no business there in the first place. No one expected NO to grab the 2nd seed last season. His teams play hard on the defensive end. Firing Scott at this point will only make the Hornets worse and that's the reality.

In the Eastern Conference, what teams had business being in the 2002 and 2003 NBA Finals? The only reason they were there was because the rest of the Eastern Conference sucked ass. It had everything to do with Jason Kidd, not Byron Scott. Byron Scott was the head coach of the 2000-01 New Jersey Nets team that without Jason Kidd went 26-52. He was also the head coach of the New Orleans Hornets in 2004-05 that went 18-64, the season before drafting Chris Paul. Good head coaches do not lead 18-64 teams. It's been blatantly obvious that his success as a head coach has been directly related to Jason Kidd and Chris Paul.

[Ghazi]

It's not Scott's fault

[jacobdrj]

2002, the EC had no business being in the Finals. But the Nets were a complete team in 2003. They played WC style offense, and EC style defense. They were competing with the Spurs, but didn't have a chance because Byron decided his best defensive big was in his dog house. It was a big deal, if I remember correctly. Even the players were asking why Deke wasn't playing.
While the Lakers of 01, 02 and 03 were dominant, the reality is that the EC was not as bad as portrayed. They play a different style of ball that doesn't translate well to the regular season. But the bottom 4 seeds in the Western playoffs are just as inferior as the bottom 4 seeds in the Eastern playoffs, and sometimes can be more competitive because defensive adjustments can occur, ala last season Bos vs. Atl/Cle... etc...
Jason Kidd is why that team made it to the finals twice. Byron is why they didn't even have a shot to win it all in 2003.

[21_Blessings]

So are you saying NBA head coaches have no say in personnel moves?

No I didn't say that, can you read? Obviously not.


It's well documented that Byron Scott pushed for the Hornets to sign Peja because of his ties as an assistant coach in Sacramento.

Do you have proof that Byron Scott (Head Coach) has the final say on all personell decisions? If not, no he wasn't the number 1 reason Peja was overpaid unless you know for a fact he tells NO's owner how to spend his money.


Not what I said. But, Chandler's issues do not absolve Byron Scott from any blame.

The fact that his bench is thin as fuck and his PF/C are a couple of overrated sissies absolves him from any blame on that front.


It's been blatantly obvious that his success as a head coach has been directly related to Jason Kidd and Chris Paul.

You are seriously fucking stupid.

NBA coaching is in general is overrated. Phil Jackson didn't win 9 rings, Jordan, Kobe and Shaq did. This is obvious territory. Basketball is nothing like Football in terms of coaching. It's a players league.

With that said, it does not change the FACT that Byron Scott's Nets team OVERACHIEVED and they got WORSE after he left despite bringing even more talent in than Scott ever had to work with. Same with the Hornets. Overachieved last season when they were healthy.

But yeah, it sure as hell wasn't Scott's fault Chris Paul completely shit the bed in game 5.

[JamStone]

No I didn't say that, can you read? Obviously not.

Do you have proof that Byron Scott (Head Coach) has the final say on all personell decisions? If not, no he wasn't the number 1 reason Peja was overpaid unless you know for a fact he tells NO's owner how to spend his money.

I never said Byron Scott had final say on all personnel decisions. Can you read? He was the main reason for the Hornets signing Peja. That doesn't mean he made the final decision.




You are seriously fucking stupid.

NBA coaching is in general is overrated.

Yet you had no problem giving him credit for the two NBA Finals appearances and the Hornets being the 2 seed last season. For you to acknowledge that NBA coaching is overrated but still maintain it would be a mistake to fire Byron Scott is funny.


Phil Jackson didn't win 9 rings, Jordan, Kobe and Shaq did. This is obvious territory. Basketball is nothing like Football in terms of coaching. It's a players league.

Exactly why firing Byron Scott is not a big deal. Thanks for finally realizing that.



With that said, it does not change the FACT that Byron Scott's Nets team OVERACHIEVED and they got WORSE after he left despite bringing even more talent in than Scott ever had to work with. Same with the Hornets. Overachieved last season when they were healthy.

Actually, both the Nets and the Hornets got worse with Byron Scott in his first season with both teams. In both his second season with the Nets and his second season with the Hornets, those two teams acquired Jason Kidd and Chris Paul. And what talent did the Nets bring in that was more than Scott ever had to work with? Vince Carter? That's all well and good but those teams also didn't have any quality power forwards or centers. You can't win in the NBA without big men. The Hornets overachieved because of Chris Paul and because David West had a breakout season, not because of Byron Scott.



But yeah, it sure as hell wasn't Scott's fault Chris Paul completely shit the bed in game 5.

Not Byron Scott's fault Chris Paul sucked in game 5. But, Byron Scott still should be fired because he's not a good coach.

[21_Blessings]

I never said Byron Scott had final say on all personnel decisions. Can you read? He was the main reason for the Hornets signing Peja. That doesn't mean he made the final decision.

You said Scott was the number 1 reason why Peja was overpaid and signed. That would imply he calls the shots, including the contract amount/length. Which is an ignorant thing to say.



Yet you had no problem giving him credit for the two NBA Finals appearances and the Hornets being the 2 seed last season. For you to acknowledge that NBA coaching is overrated but still maintain it would be a mistake to fire Byron Scott is funny.

He deserves some credit considering what he did with how little had to work with. No where did I give all the credit. Fact remains, the Nets GOT WORSE WHEN HE LEFT, despite bringing in better talent. And they became worse defensively.


Exactly why firing Byron Scott is not a big deal. Thanks for finally realizing that.

It's a stupid thing to do at this point


Actually, both the Nets and the Hornets got worse with Byron Scott in his first season with both teams. In both his second season with the Nets and his second season with the Hornets, those two teams acquired Jason Kidd and Chris Paul. And what talent did the Nets bring in that was more than Scott ever had to work with? Vince Carter? That's all well and good but those teams also didn't have any quality power forwards or centers.

Look how dumb you are. Quality centers like Jason Collins. Yup.

You don't win in the NBA without a closer. And there is no way Vince Carter would have gotten away with half assing it the entire season with Scott around.

Nets had more talent after Scott left, became worse. Fact.



You can't win in the NBA without big men. The Hornets overachieved because of Chris Paul and because David West had a breakout season, not because of Byron Scott.

They overachieved defensively, which Scott gets credit for.


Not Byron Scott's fault Chris Paul sucked in game 5. But, Byron Scott still should be fired because he's not a good coach.

You have yet to prove he's not a good coach as all your arguments were laughable fallacies. So it's just your baseless shit while facts point to him being an excellent coach. Firing him for the sake of firing would be a stupid decision at this point.

[jacobdrj]

Byron does coach defense. I question his rotations. I question his ability to manage egos.

[BRHornet45]

I question his ability to manage egos.

son managing HIS OWN ego is the biggest problem ..

[jacobdrj]

son managing HIS OWN ego is the biggest problem ..

Precisely.

[Lakers2009champs]

CP3 is worn out, he had to carry a shitty team the whole season and lead them in Scoring, Assists, and (Rebounds lol). If he was on the Lakers or Jazz, he will avg. atleast 4 more assists so I got mad props for the guy.

I bet next season he will be more cautious of when he passes the ball.

[jacobdrj]

CP3 being figured out I think has something to do with that. They have a center, a power forward, a small forward. What they need is to have a defensive SF, a better SG, and a little more meat at the 5.

But they are in cost cutting mode, so that won't happen.

[BRHornet45]

CP3 is worn out, he had to carry a shitty team the whole season and lead them in Scoring, Assists, and (Rebounds lol). If he was on the Lakers or Jazz, he will avg. atleast 4 more assists so I got mad props for the guy.

I bet next season he will be more cautious of when he passes the ball.

exactly ... Paul is wore the fuck out. big deal, he had one bad game that he was obviously annoyed with his trash teammates for rarely helping out. Take Chris Paul off the Hornets and Tulane could beat them by 20 points!

you even saw Paul's assist numbers drop off and scoring go up after the all star break. he went from averaging 20-21 points per game to averaging 23 per game .... his assist went from over 12 a game to barely 11. He knew that he had to shoot the ball more because no one else could step up.... and the amazing thing is that he still led the entire NBA in assist and finished with a .503% field goal percentage to top it off.

Paul could EASILY average 25+ points per game if he wanted to ... don't be surprised if next year his assist drop off even more (yet probably still leads the league) and his scoring numbers shoot up to that 25+ per game area.

[JamStone]

You said Scott was the number 1 reason why Peja was overpaid and signed. That would imply he calls the shots, including the contract amount/length. Which is an ignorant thing to say.

That implies no such thing. If Chris Paul scores 40 points and dishes 15 assists in a 1-point win, but Morris Peterson hits the game winning shot after going 0-for-10 before that game winner, you don't say Morris Peterson is the #1 reason for the Hornets winning. He made the game winner but Chris Paul would be the main reason for the Hornets winning because without his performance, the Hornets wouldn't have even been in a position to win the game and if Morris Peterson didn't suck throughout the entire game before that last shot, they could have been up by more and not needed a game winner.



He deserves some credit considering what he did with how little had to work with. No where did I give all the credit. Fact remains, the Nets GOT WORSE WHEN HE LEFT, despite bringing in better talent. And they became worse defensively.

Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles, Dikembe Mutombo in a depleted Eastern Conference. That was not little to work with. Little to work with would be the 2000-01 Nets when Scott coached them to 26 regular season wins.



It's a stupid thing to do at this point

That's an opinion. A team losing a playoff game by 58 points screams that a head coach has lost his players. That's when a change needs to be made.

And, NBA coaching is overrated anyway. Remember?



Look how dumb you are. Quality centers like Jason Collins. Yup.

They also had Kenyon Martin, Keith Van Horn, and Dikembe (for 2002-03) when they reached the NBA Finals. Not great, but in the Eastern Conference, much better than the other EC teams. In those two seasons the Nets went to the Finals, Jason Collins was a role-player sometimes starter. After Scott was fired, Collins was the full time starter. There was more talent on the Nets roster under Byron Scott.



You don't win in the NBA without a closer. And there is no way Vince Carter would have gotten away with half assing it the entire season with Scott around.

You mean like the half-ass effort the Hornets just displayed in game 4?



Nets had more talent after Scott left, became worse. Fact.

Completely false.



They overachieved defensively, which Scott gets credit for.

You won't find too many critics about Scott coaching defense. That's not why he should be fired. He should be fired because he doesn't know how to coach offense, manage a game, draw up any offensive sets, when to call time-outs, how to work officials, know how to stop runs by the opposing team, or motivate his team to fight.




You have yet to prove he's not a good coach as all your arguments were laughable fallacies. So it's just your baseless shit while facts point to him being an excellent coach. Firing him for the sake of firing would be a stupid decision at this point.

If an NBA coach has his team in the playoffs and are playing a home playoff game, that team cannot lose by 58 points. At home. That tells you he has lost his players. They don't listen to him anymore. And, they have quit on him. I just listed above what's wrong with him as a coach, but the fact they quit on him is sufficient enough for an NBA coach to be fired.

NBA coaching is overrated anyway. Remember?