Another Blunder from the White House...

[Wild Cobra]

Low-level flight panics New York (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8021830.stm)

That's right Mr. President. Scare the hell out of people.

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[balli]

Too bad it was the Air Force that came up with and signed off on this whole idea and that the White House didn't. But that's okay, don't let reality get in your way.

[Wild Cobra]

Too bad it was the Air Force that came up with and signed off on this whole idea and that the White House didn't. But that's okay, don't let reality get in your way.
Wrong. That was yesterday's news account from the BBC. This mornings radio news has it that it did come from the White House, directing this photo op.

[DarrinS]

Who's the Maverick now?

"Hey Goose, let's buzz the tower!"


COLOSSAL STUPIDITY

[balli]

Wrong. That was yesterday's news account from the BBC. This mornings radio news has it that it did come from the White House, directing this photo op.

Yeah, the White House's Military Command i.e. the Defense Dept/Air Force. Obama didn't even know about it and was "furious" when told.

So I don't really care what some back-asswards, Rush carrying, AM station told you. I'll stick with the AP.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQCKDUYswf9K9lMjX4oxtDxHVqXQD97RFTKG0

And before you come back with some lame ass attack about Obama not knowing it was happening: I think he's got bigger things to deal with right now than keeping his personal eyes trained on what the military is doing with the spare Air Force 1 jet.

[Wild Cobra]

From this morning's ABC News (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6782403):


The head of White House Military Office apologized for the incident late Monday.

"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision," said Louis Caldera.

Calerdra is the Director of the White House Military Office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Military_Office). You can be sure that president Obama at least knew about this. I would say he likely asked for it.

[hope4dopes]

Yeah between gitner, napolitano,and the rest it's like spanky and his gang in the whitehouse.

[DarrinS]

From this morning's ABC News (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6782403):



Calerdra is the Director of the White House Military Office (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Military_Office). You can be sure that president Obama at least knew about this. I would say he likely asked for it.



Meh, the Director of the WH Military Office never talks to the Commander In Cheif.

[Wild Cobra]

So I don't really care what some back-asswards, Rush carrying, AM station told you. I'll stick with the AP.

Of course president Obama's going to lie about such a stupid stunt. You really believe the mainstream media that has supported him all along?

AP is part of the Alphabet News Networks. They are protective of their pet president.

[Wild Cobra]

Meh, the Director of the WH Military Office never talks to the Commander In Cheif.
Yep, I'm sure that's what the liberals here think.

[jack sommerset]

:lol God I hope I don't hear some lame law suit being filed for this one. Silly!!!!! Other than that its really funny thinking of the nut jobs running around the city thinking they were under attack from air force one

[Winehole23]

The AP is owned by its U.S. daily newspaper "members." They exercise their control through a Board of Directors, made up of newspaper executives.

This is the list:

William Dean Singleton – Chairman
Vice Chairman and CEO
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Chairman, President and CEO
The McClatchy Company
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President and chief executive officer
Community Newspaper Holdings
Birmingham, AL

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President and chief executive officer
Gannett Co., Inc.
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Publisher and Editor
Citizen Tribune
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Publisher
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Julie Inskeep
Publisher
The Journal Gazette
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Mary Jacobus
President and Chief Operating Officer
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Tampa, Florida

Boisfeuillet (Bo) Jones
Publisher and CEO
The Washington Post
Washington, D.C.

Mary Junck
President and CEO
Lee Enterprises, Inc.
Davenport, Iowa

David Lord
President
Pioneer Newspapers, Inc.
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Rupert Murdoch
Chairman and chief executive officer
News Corp.
New York, NY

R. John Mitchell
Publisher
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Steven O. Newhouse
Chairman,
Advance.Net
New York, New York

Charles V. Pittman
Senior Vice President-Publishing
Schurz Communications Inc.
South Bend, Indiana

Michael E. Reed
CEO
GateHouse Media, Inc.
Fairport, New York

Bruce T. Reese
President and CEO
Bonneville International Corp.
Salt Lake City, Utah

Jon Rust
Publisher
Southeast Missourian
Co-president, Rust Communications
Cape Girardeau, Missouri

David Westin
President
ABC News
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H. Graham Woodlief
President, Publishing Division
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Sam Zell
Chairman and chief executive officer
Tribune Company
Chicago, IL

[Wild Cobra]

The AP is owned by its U.S. daily newspaper "members." They exercise their control through a Board of Directors, made up of newspaper executives.

This is the list:

---snip---

It would be interesting to know who those people's papers endorsed for presidential elections...

I'll bet it was overwhelming support for our current president.

[balli]

It would be interesting to know who those people's papers endorsed for presidential elections...
Minus a few wing-nut idiot papers like the San Diego Trib, who didn't? The Salt Lake Tribune, i.e. the largest newspaper in the reddest state in America, endorsed Obama. I'm sorry dude, but Palin is a fucking moron and McCain was absolutely lost. So say what you want about endorsements, but let's not pretend that the republican ticket wasn't a complete fucking joke, thereby forcing any paper with any common sense whatsoever, to pull the lever for Obama. Whether they liked him much or not, at least he wasn't McCain/Palin.

[Wild Cobra]

Minus a few wing-nut idiot papers like the San Diego Trib, who didn't? The Salt Lake Tribune, i.e. the largest newspaper in the reddest state in America, endorsed Obama. I'm sorry dude, but Palin is a fucking moron and McCain was absolutely lost. So say what you want about endorsements, but let's not pretend that the republican ticket wasn't a complete fucking joke, thereby forcing any paper with any common sense whatsoever, to pull the lever for Obama. Whether they liked him much or not, at least he wasn't McCain/Palin.
You believe as you do because you drink their Kool-Aid.

[clambake]

does amanda think this is important?

[ElNono]

Being that I live 40 minutes away from NY, and that I have friends working there, I can attest there was scenes of panic, and this whole thing was handled really, really bad.
They SHOULD have informed the public earlier. I don't care if it was 30 minutes before they did it, so they could reach a compromise between security and safety.
But this was terrible. My wife was telling me a co-worker of her had her son in the city, and was calling and telling her about this whole surreal scene in the city streets.

Poor judgement doesn't even begin to describe this thing... :td

[hater]

impeach Obama. what a fuckup of monumental proportions!!!

this is 10x worse than starting a fake war in Iraq :pctoss

[clambake]

imagine how terrifying it must be to live near an airport.

[RandomGuy]

You believe as you do because you drink their Kool-Aid.

Ironic Forum

[RandomGuy]

Being that I live 40 minutes away from NY, and that I have friends working there, I can attest there was scenes of panic, and this whole thing was handled really, really bad.
They SHOULD have informed the public earlier. I don't care if it was 30 minutes before they did it, so they could reach a compromise between security and safety.
But this was terrible. My wife was telling me a co-worker of her had her son in the city, and was calling and telling her about this whole surreal scene in the city streets.

Poor judgement doesn't even begin to describe this thing... :td

I would tend to agree. This was one of those things that slipped through the cracks of common sense.

That said: BFD.

[hope4dopes]

I would tend to agree. This was one of those things that slipped through the cracks of common sense.

That said: BFD.

It seems the whole Obama presidency so far has slipped through the cracks of common sense, if poor judgement is used in such mundane things, it would be logical to assume the same kind of poor judgment may be used in more vital matters.

[Wild Cobra]

It seems the whole Obama presidency so far has slipped through the cracks of common sense, if poor judgement is used in such mundane things, it would be logical to assume the same kind of poor judgment may be used in more vital matters.
No kidding.

I don't like senator McCain's political views much, but at least he has common sense.

[clambake]

common sense led him to select palin.......and have phil graham as his economic genius.

[hope4dopes]

common sense led him to select palin.......and have phil graham as his economic genius.

Yes thank God we now have a collection of arrogant tax cheats,wall street special intrests, and a mind like napolitano in charge.uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,that's all folks.

[clambake]

Yes thank God we now have a collection of arrogant tax cheats,wall street special intrests, and a mind like napolitano in charge.uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,uh,that's all folks.

:lol if he knew how to follow a lead, he'd still be chopping wood for 4 more months.

[George Gervin's Afro]

It seems the whole Obama presidency so far has slipped through the cracks of common sense, if poor judgement is used in such mundane things, it would be logical to assume the same kind of poor judgment may be used in more vital matters.

I know teleprompter malfunctions, Ipods as gifts.. :rolleyes

[Cry Havoc]

Do you guys smell that?

It's the smell of the tears from the right, still crying about losing the election by a landslide.

Mmmm. Tastes good.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you guys smell that?

It's the smell of the tears from the right, still crying about losing the election by a landslide.

Mmmm. Tastes good.
Wow...

If pointing out a true blunder is thought of that way, what was the left doing when their guys Kerry and Gore lost to Bush for those 8 years?

[hope4dopes]

Do you guys smell that?

It's the smell of the tears from the right, still crying about losing the election by a landslide.

Mmmm. Tastes good.

Civics 101. we all participate in self governing no matter who wins what. Despite what the left would like to have happen, winning the election does not cancel out the constituton,or the bill of rights, so the Magna Carta of the second Camelot can be proclaimed.So unfortunatelly people will think for themselves and voice dissent and will not be getting thrills of pleasure running up and down their legs at obama's pecs.

[balli]

^ lol at this fag talking constitutional breaches after 8 years of Bush. Sorry there ace, but Obama's done nothing to jeopardize any of the documents you incoherently accuse him and his supporters of destroying. So fuck off.

[hope4dopes]

Oh and another thing a 7% margin in the popular vote is not a LANDSLIDE, but perhaps like another of your heros said.

'If you tell a big lie often enough and loud enough it will become the truth"


The Media has proclaimed this dolt a Messiah not America,we get to vote for the lesser of two evils.

[DarrinS]

impeach Obama. what a fuckup of monumental proportions!!!

this is 10x worse than starting a fake war in Iraq :pctoss


I knew this reflex response was coming.

[DarrinS]

I would tend to agree. This was one of those things that slipped through the cracks of common sense.

That said: BFD.



Really? Wow.


Really? Big fucking deal?

[hope4dopes]

^ lol at this fag talking constitutional breaches after 8 years of Bush. Sorry there ace, but Obama's done nothing to jeopardize any of the documents you incoherently accuse him and his supporters of destroying. So fuck off.


"fag"? Ah the left at it's intellectual fittest, lets see a woman who doesn't agree with you is a "cunt" and a man who doesn't agree with you is a "fag".
You really need to get out of suburbia I don't know but something about it has screwed you up with an obsession with sex and violence, perhaps too much t.v. and video porn. You might get out and meet a real homosexual and realize they don't want to have sex with you, so you don't have to be afraid of them.

[LnGrrrR]

"fag"? Ah the left at it's intellectual fittest, lets see a woman who doesn't agree with you is a "cunt" and a man who doesn't agree with you is a "fag".
You really need to get out of suburbia I don't know but something about it has screwed you up with an obsession with sex and violence, perhaps too much t.v. and video porn. You might get out and meet a real homosexual and realize they don't want to have sex with you, so you don't have to be afraid of them.


Hahah... coming from the person who always states that liberals have tingles running up and down their legs when they see Obama. That's rich.

[DarrinS]

Jn0tMMYEkQU

[DarkReign]

WTF was the President thinking?

"Hey, take me in lower. I want to see my subjects..."

No fucking sense.

[RandomGuy]

Really? Wow.


Really? Big fucking deal?

Yes. Seriously. :sleep

Wake me up when Obama sends a hundred thousand troops into the middle of a low level conflict without any armored vehicles.

[ElNono]

WTF was the President thinking?

"Hey, take me in lower. I want to see my subjects..."

No fucking sense.

He wasn't actually in the plane. What's retarded about this is that it was merely a photoshoot to update the collection of pictures of Air Force One.

[RandomGuy]

WTF was the President thinking?

"Hey, take me in lower. I want to see my subjects..."

No fucking sense.



The president was not on board the plane

The White House has apologised after a low-level flight by a presidential jet and a fighter plane sparked panic among New York City office workers.

The half-hour flight triggered the evacuation of a number of office buildings in the city.

Pentagon officials said the fly past - a photographic exercise not involving President Obama - had been co-ordinated with city and state authorities.

No general public notification was issued in advance.

"While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it's clear that the mission created confusion and disruption," Louis Caldera, director of the White House military office, said in a statement.

"I apologise and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."

New Yorkers were startled as the planes flew over the city's harbour
Correspondents say many New York residents are still scarred by the September 2001 attacks when airliners ploughed into the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington DC.

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he was "furious" about the incident, criticising those responsible for failing to warn the public.

"The good news is it was nothing more than an inconsiderate, badly conceived and insensitive photo op with the taxpayers' money," said Mr Bloomberg.

The Boeing 747 jet is one of two planes known as Air Force One when the US president is aboard.

The only reason to hype this is simple emotional payback by the right for having to defend Bush for 8 years.

Yet another in a long line of fucktarded nothings coming out of the nutjobs that set the narrative for the right wing of this country.

[ElNono]

I actually have to add that at least they apologized for it afterwards. That's certainly refreshing and a departure from 'I can't think of anything I've done wrong as President'.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Oh and another thing a 7% margin in the popular vote is not a LANDSLIDE, but perhaps like another of your heros said.

'If you tell a big lie often enough and loud enough it will become the truth"


The Media has proclaimed this dolt a Messiah not America,we get to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Please let me know who in the 'media, proclaimed him to be the messiah ( 'If you tell a big lie often enough and loud enough it will become the truth")?


You are such a big hypocrite you don't even realize it..:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

Wow...

If pointing out a true blunder is thought of that way, what was the left doing when their guys Kerry and Gore lost to Bush for those 8 years?

:lol

You aren't worth responding to.

If you tripped walking down the street and broke your toe, you'd blame Obama for his incompetence of city sidewalk construction.

[Cry Havoc]

Oh and another thing a 7% margin in the popular vote is not a LANDSLIDE, but perhaps like another of your heros said.

'If you tell a big lie often enough and loud enough it will become the truth"


The Media has proclaimed this dolt a Messiah not America,we get to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Yes, because bringing Hitler into the conversation is really the way to show how credible your statements are. Nothing like Godwinning a thread, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

End of thread.

[DarrinS]

Yes. Seriously. :sleep

Wake me up when Obama sends a hundred thousand troops into the middle of a low level conflict without any armored vehicles.


Actually, I think Iraq was a huge fucking mistake.


I also think this fly over was a huge fucking mistake.

[balli]

If you tripped walking down the street and broke your toe, you'd blame Obama for his incompetence of city sidewalk construction.
This past winter when Portland had all that snow, Cobra actually blamed "stupid libtards" for not snowplowing it away fast enough.

[LnGrrrR]

Actually, I think Iraq was a huge fucking mistake.


I also think this fly over was a huge fucking mistake.

So do you think Iraq=flyover?

[Cry Havoc]

'If you tell a big lie often enough and loud enough it will become the truth"

http://www.boogeresque.com/images/mission_accomplished.jpg

[DarrinS]

The only reason to hype this is simple emotional payback by the right for having to defend Bush for 8 years.

Yet another in a long line of fucktarded nothings coming out of the nutjobs that set the narrative for the right wing of this country.


Actually, a lot of those fucktards that were scared shitless in NY are Obama supporters. I'm sure they didn't appreciate the flashback.

[DarrinS]

So do you think Iraq=flyover?

<sigh>

Uh, no. Didn't say that.


EDIT> Certainly didn't mean to imply that.

[DarrinS]

So, from now on, any time there's an Obama admin fuckup, you guys are just gonna play the Iraq card?

[DarkReign]

Well, thats what I get for not reading the news today about it.

Kind of still a big deal, though. Sending people into a panic for a photoshoot is fucking stupid, dont care who you are.

[hope4dopes]

Hahah... coming from the person who always states that liberals have tingles running up and down their legs when they see Obama. That's rich.

I didn't state that. that is an actual quote, but it does capture the politiacal idealuoge pretty well.whether it's sexual or not I have no idea.But I think it potrays a certain depth of thought.

[LnGrrrR]

<sigh>

Uh, no. Didn't say that.


EDIT> Certainly didn't mean to imply that.

Thanks. I figured you didn't but I'm glad you could see the implication :)

[LnGrrrR]

I didn't state that. that is an actual quote, but it does capture the politiacal idealuoge pretty well.whether it's sexual or not I have no idea.But I think it potrays a certain depth of thought.


:rollin:lmao:rollin:lmao:rollin:lmao

[hope4dopes]

Yes, because bringing Hitler into the conversation is really the way to show how credible your statements are. Nothing like Godwinning a thread, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

End of thread.



Actually I think he quote is attributed to Goerring who was the Minister of Propoganda, the refrence being to PROPOGANDA.

[LnGrrrR]

So, from now on, any time there's an Obama admin fuckup, you guys are just gonna play the Iraq card?

I think you'll see that a few people said it was stupid. But let's face it, no one will really care about this a week from now, will they? As far as "how important this event is in our lives" does it register even a 2 on the Emotional Richter Scale for the majority of the nation?

When Obama screws up majorly (like states secrets/FISA) then most of the liberals will call him out for it (and have). But don't expect us to make a big deal out of screwup that ultimatey didn't hurt anyone and was already apologized for.

[Cry Havoc]

So, from now on, any time there's an Obama admin fuckup, you guys are just gonna play the Iraq card?

I think the consensus is that the day "you guys" stop attempting to blame Obama for every single thing that not only goes wrong, but just against the right-wing ideals of perfection, he will stop being defended against things that aren't his fault.

Oh, and lambasting him for something like this after defending Bush for so many years over so many fuck-ups is the reason for the rebuttal of Iraq. It's kind of like Tracy McGrady talking down to Brandon Roy because he doesn't have any rings. :lol

[RandomGuy]

So, from now on, any time there's an Obama admin fuckup, you guys are just gonna play the Iraq card?

Damn skippy.

Ain't it great having the blood of 3000+ dead servicemembers on your hands?

I will never EVER forgive the Republican party and right in general for defending the criminal negligence of the Bush administration's handling of post-war Iraq.

That albatross is exactly where it should be, around the collective neck of the Republican party.

[Cry Havoc]

Actually I think he quote is attributed to Goerring who was the Minister of Propoganda, the refrence being to PROPOGANDA.

You mean Joseph Goebbels, the guy who co-opted it from Hitler and modified it?

[RandomGuy]

Actually I think he quote is attributed to Goerring who was the Minister of Propoganda, the refrence being to PROPOGANDA.

FAIL

Goering was the Air Marshal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring), ( Generalfeldmarschall of the Luftwaffe) however, not the Minister of Propaganda.

He said this:


“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Hermann_Goering/
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Goebbels who was the Reichsminister of Propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels) said this:


“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.
It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-if_you_tell_a_lie_big_enough_and_keep_repeating/345877.html

[hope4dopes]

Fail.

Goering was the Air Marshal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring), ( Generalfeldmarschall of the Luftwaffe) however, not the Minister of Propaganda.

He said this:




http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Hermann_Goering/

Goebbels who was the Reichsminister of Propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels) said this:



http://thinkexist.com/quotation/-if_you_tell_a_lie_big_enough_and_keep_repeating/345877.html

Right you are.The point being The Media tells us we love Obama, despite the fact we don't love anyone in the political class, there is this sickening girlish swooning over this dolt that we're all laughing at and the loyaltists deny.

[Crookshanks]

What I find interesting is that we're supposed to be safer now that Obama has righted all the wrongs of the previous administration. The muslim extremists like us now that we've reached out to them and told them we won't torture them anymore.

So we shouldn't fear another attack - right? I guess all those New Yorkers didn't get the memo!

[hope4dopes]

:rollin:lmao:rollin:lmao:rollin:lmao

No I'm serious dude I don't think it's sexual. I really think a sizable group of people who voted for obama thought they were voting for an "American Idol" canidate. Didn't we.

[Cry Havoc]

What I find interesting is that we're supposed to be safer now that Obama has righted all the wrongs of the previous administration.

He hasn't. It's only you obsessed right wingers who are offering the ridiculous assertion that Obama is beyond reproach from the left. Not a single person on this board, no matter how left-leaning, has stated that Obama has fixed everything. In fact, most of us have stated how he hasn't even had time to do much good, either. I'm still on the fence about Obama's presidential term, because IT'S TOO EARLY TO TELL how it's going to do as president. But don't let that get in the way of convincing yourself that anyone who voted for Obama automatically sees him as the son of God reincarnate. :toast


Right you are.The point being The Media tells us we love Obama, despite the fact we don't love anyone in the political class, there is this sickening girlish swooning over this dolt that we're all laughing at and the loyaltists deny.

Ahhh, the broken record of the right, after losing an election. I don't love Obama. Most posters on this board, even the "crazy lib'ruls" don't love Obama. We are just happy to see a president in office who isn't willing to completely annihilate what little respect the rest of the world has for us just to make his oil chairman V.P. happy and be buddy buddy with big business.

[hope4dopes]

Damn skippy.

Ain't it great having the blood of 3000+ dead servicemembers on your hands?

I will never EVER forgive the Republican party and right in general for defending the criminal negligence of the Bush administration's handling of post-war Iraq.

That albatross is exactly where it should be, around the collective neck of the Republican party.

The collective albatross that the democrtas voted for to, and that Obama voted to fund several times.Not to worry though we can now go into Afganistan the "good" war.Tell me how are you going to forgive all the democrats who voted to go to war who voted to fund the war like obama.

[hope4dopes]

He hasn't. It's only you obsessed right wingers who are offering the ridiculous assertion that Obama is beyond reproach from the left. Not a single person on this board, no matter how left-leaning, has stated that Obama has fixed everything. In fact, most of us have stated how he hasn't even had time to do much good, either. I'm still on the fence about Obama's presidential term, because IT'S TOO EARLY TO TELL how it's going to do as president. But don't let that get in the way of convincing yourself that anyone who voted for Obama automatically sees him as the son of God reincarnate. :toast



Ahhh, the broken record of the right, after losing an election. I don't love Obama. Most posters on this board, even the "crazy lib'ruls" don't love Obama. We are just happy to see a president in office who isn't willing to completely annihilate what little respect the rest of the world has for us just to make his oil chairman V.P. happy and be buddy buddy with big business.

No most of his buddies are in banking.....Even crazy libreals, well no I shouldn't say that even most democrats especially those that supported Hilary were able to see a huge Media blitz to shove obama down peoples throats I mean even Hilary's people spoke out against it.

[Cry Havoc]

The collective albatross that the democrtas voted for to, and that Obama voted to fund several times.Not to worry though we can now go into Afganistan the "good" war.Tell me how are you going to forgive all the democrats who voted to go to war who voted to fund the war like obama.

I supported the war in Iraq when it first started, too.

Of course, that was before I realized president Bush completely, openly lied to the entire American populace about intelligence had received concerning WoMD, before the Bush administration tried to make an incredibly ridiculous ploy on linking Iraq to Al-Qaeda in order to stoke the fears of the populace into becoming accepting of a war that they had lied about, before Bush sent troops into Iraq without so much as armor on their vehicles, and before I realized that it was nothing more than an obvious grab for money by Bush and Cheney to have access to oil so that they could give Haliburton a no-bid contract.

After those things happened, I revised my opinion on Iraq just a little bit. I guess it was my fault for not suspecting our president of lying to the American people.

[Cry Havoc]

No most of his buddies are in banking.....Even crazy libreals, well no I shouldn't say that even most democrats especially those that supported Hilary were able to see a huge Media blitz to shove obama down peoples throats I mean even Hilary's people spoke out against it.

Why am I responding to a troll? Hmm. I'll have to think about this question the next time I decide not to ignore you. :rollin

[hope4dopes]

Why am I responding to a troll? Hmm. I'll have to think about this question the next time I decide not to ignore you. :rollin

yes well that's a good point and leaves me with something to think about.

[hope4dopes]

I supported the war in Iraq when it first started, too.

Of course, that was before I realized president Bush completely, openly lied to the entire American populace about intelligence had received concerning WoMD, before the Bush administration tried to make an incredibly ridiculous ploy on linking Iraq to Al-Qaeda in order to stoke the fears of the populace into becoming accepting of a war that they had lied about, before Bush sent troops into Iraq without so much as armor on their vehicles, and before I realized that it was nothing more than an obvious grab for money by Bush and Cheney to have access to oil so that they could give Haliburton a no-bid contract.

After those things happened, I revised my opinion on Iraq just a little bit. I guess it was my fault for not suspecting our president of lying to the American people.


Oh yes that slippery old bush.Now Let's get this straight I',m supposed to believe that some of the most astute bloodthirsty political sharks on the entire planet, are in fact fifteen year old catholic school girls who somehow got lured into the broom closet by a village idiot from texas.Well your free to live with that illusion if you like, god knows we all have different ones, but please don't ask me to buy it.

[Crookshanks]

I supported the war in Iraq when it first started, too.

Of course, that was before I realized president Bush completely, openly lied to the entire American populace about intelligence had received concerning WoMD, before the Bush administration tried to make an incredibly ridiculous ploy on linking Iraq to Al-Qaeda in order to stoke the fears of the populace into becoming accepting of a war that they had lied about, before Bush sent troops into Iraq without so much as armor on their vehicles, and before I realized that it was nothing more than an obvious grab for money by Bush and Cheney to have access to oil so that they could give Haliburton a no-bid contract.

After those things happened, I revised my opinion on Iraq just a little bit. I guess it was my fault for not suspecting our president of lying to the American people.
You mean you changed your mind after being force fed the anti-war propaganda for 7 years. The libs did their best to constantly talk bad about the war - like "the surge has failed, the war is lost" Harry Reid. And the media went right along with it - only telling the bad stuff and spreading the propaganda every night.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You mean you changed your mind after being force fed the anti-war propaganda for 7 years. The libs did their best to constantly talk bad about the war - like "the surge has failed, the war is lost" Harry Reid. And the media went right along with it - only telling the bad stuff and spreading the propaganda every night.

No. It was all of the information that came out afterward that changed my mind. I am mildly surpprised that you and the other dead enders are oblivious to all of the information that has come out after the fact that refuted most of what bush sold..

[Ignignokt]

Stupid gesture by the whitehouse for a cheap photo op.

[Ignignokt]

cry havoc- you're becoming worse than manny on the obama cheer squad.

[ChumpDumper]

It was stupid not to inform the people of NY beforehand. Whoever gave the order to repress that information should resign.

Not much else to say.

[Wild Cobra]

This past winter when Portland had all that snow, Cobra actually blamed "stupid libtards" for not snowplowing it away fast enough.
Good memory, but that had to do with them spending money on pet projects instead of being prepared for known cyclical occurrence.

[jack sommerset]

Jn0tMMYEkQU

Thats so funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yonivore]

Thats so funny!!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny? You mean funny, like this?

xg8Cmibcl5U

Now, it turns out the feds knew it would cause a panic and demanded secrecy anyway? Why?

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html)

So, this administration has spent it's first 100 days trying to make our enemies feel better about us while scaring the beejebus out of U. S. Citizens. Nothing could have underscored this sentiment better than buzzing New York City with Air Force One...and, doing so pretty much on the same flight path as the jet that slammed into the South Tower. Nice call.

Yep, we're in the best of hands.

[jack sommerset]

Funny? You mean funny, like this?

xg8Cmibcl5U

Now, it turns out the feds knew it would cause a panic and demanded secrecy anyway? Why?

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html)

So, this administration has spent it's first 100 days trying to make our enemies feel better about us while scaring the beejebus out of U. S. Citizens. Nothing could have underscored this sentiment better than buzzing New York City with Air Force One...and, doing so pretty much on the same flight path as the jet that slammed into the South Tower. Nice call.

Yep, we're in the best of hands.


Hahaha....I did not read into it that much. I thought it was just funny!! I will say to those jack offs that preach "BUSH,BUSH,BUSH" whenever a problem comes up and blames him for everything deserve a little of ur take!

[Winehole23]

It was Bill Clinton's fault.

[Crookshanks]

Thats so funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I find funny is Obama's feigned outrage. Does anybody really believe that Obama didn't know Air Force One was flying around NYC?

If Air Force One is flying, then either (A) the President is on it, or (B) the President authorized it to fly without him. Because if one plane is in the air, that means Obama can't fly on the other one. So this little photo op was planned and authorized in advance.

[Winehole23]

What's the political benefit here? What does Obama gain by the ruse, if it is that?

[Winehole23]

Or is this more what you had in mind?

http://www.conversationmarketing.com/Snidely%2BWhiplash.png

[PixelPusher]

There's plenty of feigned outraged in this thread. It'll be interesting to see how many pages the butthurt right can stretch this one out to. The iPod thread got up to 8.

[Cry Havoc]

cry havoc- you're becoming worse than manny on the obama cheer squad.

It's hard to keep objectivity when such idiocy is being constantly thrown around on these boards. My political views have changed little -- my ability to tolerate such ridiculousness on this forum has decreased significantly.

[RandomGuy]

Funny? You mean funny, like this?

xg8Cmibcl5U

Now, it turns out the feds knew it would cause a panic and demanded secrecy anyway? Why?

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html)

So, this administration has spent it's first 100 days trying to make our enemies feel better about us while scaring the beejebus out of U. S. Citizens. Nothing could have underscored this sentiment better than buzzing New York City with Air Force One...and, doing so pretty much on the same flight path as the jet that slammed into the South Tower. Nice call.

Yep, we're in the best of hands.

This is quite possibly the most tasteless post I have ever seen.

(shakes head)

I am dumbfounded.

Trying to score cheap political points using a video of people jumping to their deaths on 9-11 in a crass display of insensitivity, to point out a crass display of insensitivity.

Just when I thought the right couldn't possibly go any lower.

In-credible.

[Yonivore]

This is quite possibly the most tasteless post I have ever seen.

(shakes head)

I am dumbfounded.

Trying to score cheap political points using a video of people jumping to their deaths on 9-11 in a crass display of insensitivity, to point out a crass display of insensitivity.

Just when I thought the right couldn't possibly go any lower.

In-credible.
Aw, save it...

That's what those folks in battery park were seeing when AF1 approached.

[clambake]

hey yoni, maybe it was the octane.

what octane were you using?

[Cry Havoc]

Aw, save it...

That's what those folks in battery park were seeing when AF1 approached.

People were jumping from windows because of the AF1? Really?

[Wild Cobra]

Funny? You mean funny, like this?

xg8Cmibcl5U

Now, it turns out the feds knew it would cause a panic and demanded secrecy anyway? Why?

FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html)

So, this administration has spent it's first 100 days trying to make our enemies feel better about us while scaring the beejebus out of U. S. Citizens. Nothing could have underscored this sentiment better than buzzing New York City with Air Force One...and, doing so pretty much on the same flight path as the jet that slammed into the South Tower. Nice call.

Yep, we're in the best of hands.
You said that well. I wonder why the libtards just don't get it. Are they really that dumb, or in denial?

[ChumpDumper]

What I find funny is Obama's feigned outrage. Does anybody really believe that Obama didn't know Air Force One was flying around NYC?

If Air Force One is flying, then either (A) the President is on it, or (B) the President authorized it to fly without him. Because if one plane is in the air, that means Obama can't fly on the other one. So this little photo op was planned and authorized in advance.Psst.

It wasn't really AF1.

[florige]

Psst.

It wasn't really AF1.




I guess all righties get the inside scoop of what goes on in the Oval office. :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, they "know" the president personally authorizes every flight and plans every photo op.

[George Gervin's Afro]

What's the political benefit here? What does Obama gain by the ruse, if it is that?


Nothing. It's something the resident conservatives can hang there hat on today.

[ChumpDumper]

Well I was just playing with semantics, but really -- it was a stupid idea and as I said whoever ordered keeping it a secret shouldn't have a job anymore. Thinking Obama personally made that order is equally stupid.

[Blake]

Psst.

It wasn't really AF1.

:lol

i love this place

[Blake]

Well I was just playing with semantics, but really -- it was a stupid idea and as I said whoever ordered keeping it a secret shouldn't have a job anymore. Thinking Obama personally made that order is equally stupid.


....and has already requested an internal review be done to figure out whose stupid idea this was

[Wild Cobra]

Psst.

It wasn't really AF1.
Only because the president was allegedly not on it.

Airforce One is the call sign given to any airplane that carries the president.

I cannot help but wonder if he was really on the airplane, and wanted to see NY up close.

Photo Op my ass...

Much cheaper to photo-shop the pictures!

[Yonivore]

People were jumping from windows because of the AF1? Really?
People were remembering their friends, family members, and coworkers jumping from burning buildings when they saw Air Force One approaching -- along the same flight path as the jet that struck the South Tower. Yeah.

Fucking retard.

9-1-1 was flooded with calls from panicked New Yorkers claiming we were being attacked again.

It was a stupid stunt and, the more I learn, I wonder why the fuck it was done to begin with?

Air Force One is the same jet that is in the previous slick over Liberty Island and the goddamn monument hasn't changed.

[Yonivore]

I guess all righties get the inside scoop of what goes on in the Oval office. :rolleyes
It was really Air Force One...well, the plane that becomes Air Force One when the President is aboard.

But, if it weren't, that would just add to the fucking questions...

Besides, if you're going to pull such a stunt, why not on Sunday morning? Why on Monday at the beginning of the business day when people are just getting settled into their 47th floor offices?

This is stupid on so many levels...

And, it cost $330,000 to boot! For what?

[ChumpDumper]

Only because the president was allegedly not on it.

Airforce One is the call sign given to any airplane that carries the president.

I cannot help but wonder if he was really on the airplane, and wanted to see NY up close.

Photo Op my ass...You're an idiot.

[Yonivore]

....and has already requested an internal review be done to figure out whose stupid idea this was
It was the White House's stupid idea...and, apparently, it was being planned for about three months (roughly coinciding with when Obama took office.)

And, while he may not have been specifically aware of the mission, Obama was certainly told Air Force One wouldn't be available for travel that day or, his schedule was adjusted to allow for the mission.

But, even if he had no clue, it's just another example of the 9/10 mentality of this administration and the people he's chose to populate his executive office. Even after being told it would cause a panic, they decided to go forward and insist on secrecy. Why?

The President's travel plans -- except for surprise visits to war zones and such -- are published days, even weeks, in advance. Why the fuck does his empty plane need a classified mission to buzz New York City? I mean, couldn't they have at least let New Yorkers know the fucking week it was going to occur?

We're.in.the.best.of.hands...

[ChumpDumper]

And, while he may not have been specifically aware of the mission, Obama was certainly told Air Force One wouldn't be available for travel that day or, his schedule was adjusted to allow for the mission.Psst...

There is more than one plane available.

[Yonivore]

Psst...

There is more than one plane available.
Okay, I took you off ignore to see what idiocy you had to share -- particular after that stupid comment that it wasn't Air Force One.

You're right. There's two identical planes and they always travel in pairs with the president. One as the decoy/backup and the other with him on board.

What's you're point? It's the plane the President uses to travel?

When one is not available -- the president doesn't travel. Especially after 9-11.

[Blake]

It was the White House's stupid idea...and, apparently, it was being planned for about three months (roughly coinciding with when Obama took office.)

And, while he may not have been specifically aware of the mission, Obama was certainly told Air Force One wouldn't be available for travel that day or, his schedule was adjusted to allow for the mission.

But, even if he had no clue, it's just another example of the 9/10 mentality of this administration and the people he's chose to populate his executive office. Even after being told it would cause a panic, they decided to go forward and insist on secrecy. Why?

The President's travel plans -- except for surprise visits to war zones and such -- are published days, even weeks, in advance. Why the fuck does his empty plane need a classified mission to buzz New York City? I mean, couldn't they have at least let New Yorkers know the fucking week it was going to occur?

We're.in.the.best.of.hands...

You.are.a.big.idiot...


The Air Force One photo-op flight over lower Manhattan on Monday was so secret that the president and the secretary of defence learned only after hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers watched in terror as the jet and two fighter planes buzzed the city, and the White House is scrambling to find out why.

A top aide to President Barack Obama has begun an internal review of the $329,000 "flying photo op" and training flight that evoked memories of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the city, and the White House has not ruled out sacking the official who planned the stunt.

Obama was said to be livid about the matter and a spokesman said US secretary of defence Robert Gates was "surprised and not very pleased".

Officials have said the operation was planned and executed within the White House military office, the bureau that handles much of the White House's day-to-day operations, and that Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel were unaware of the flight beforehand.

Obama has tasked White House deputy chief of staff Jim Messina with investigating how the decision was made and ensuring such an operation will never happen again. A defence department official said yesterday that a rumoured similar session in the skies over Washington will not happen.

"The president will look at that review and take any appropriate steps after that," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters yesterday.

New York's WCBS television reported it had obtained an internal federal aviation administration memo in which officials acknowledge "the possibility of public concern regarding [department of defence] aircraft flying at low altitudes". The station said the agency threatened federal sanctions if the New York police department, the secret service, the FBI and the New York City mayor's office did not heed demands for secrecy.

On Monday morning a Boeing 747 jet painted with the presidential Air Force One colours flew over lower Manhattan, tailed by two fighter jets, for several minutes. New York mayor Mike Bloomberg blasted the action and said he had not been consulted. Amid the uproar, White House military office director Louis Caldera late on Monday took responsibility for the decision and apologised.

The US defence department said the flight was primarily a training exercise, though a spokesman also acknowledged it was a "flying photo op".

"We've all seen photo ops of Air Force One over American icons - you know, the Grand Canyon, Mount Rushmore, whatever it may be," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell. "This was just an unfortunate choice of locations, especially without pre-notification of the people of New York."

Yesterday Gibbs would not rule out firing Caldera, the former secretary of the US army: "I think our course would be to conduct the review before something like that is determined."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/29/air-force-one-new-york-flyover-obama

[ChumpDumper]

You're right. There's two identical planes and they always travel in pairs with the president. One as the decoy/backup and the other with him on board.Yes. I'm right.


What's you're point? It's the plane the President uses to travel?What's your point? You guys are trying your damndest to say Obama planned this himself down to the very last detail.

He didn't.

The only people who will be talking about this past this week will be idiots like you.

[Yonivore]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/63240/air-force-one

There's a nice documentary that will tell you all about it.

[Yonivore]

Yes. I'm right.
But, they travel together.


What's your point? You guys are trying your damndest to say Obama planned this himself down to the very last detail.

He didn't.
I never said he did. But, his people did. Caldera is his appointee. They're all idiots. From Biden to Napolitano to Chu to Geightner to this Caldera fuck. They're way out of their league.


The only people who will be talking about this past this week will be idiots like you.
I'm betting there are several thousand -- may tens of thousands -- New Yorkers that will be talking about this for quite awhile.

[ChumpDumper]

But, they travel together.Always?



I never said he did.Close enough.



I'm betting there are several thousand -- may tens of thousands -- New Yorkers that will be talking about this for quite awhile.Nah, they're tougher than you.

[Yonivore]

Always?
That's my understanding. The President doesn't travel without both of them.



Close enough.
meh, you see what you want.



Nah, they're tougher than you.
So, you advocate torture of New Yorkers because they're tougher than me and the White House needed a new picture of the same plane flying by the same national monument?

I thought you were opposed to torture although, I've had you on ignore so long I suppose it's possible you've changed your position.

[Wild Cobra]

You're an idiot.
Please talk to us when speaking. It's rude to talk in the mirror.

[ChumpDumper]

So, you advocate torture of New Yorkers because they're tougher than me and the White House needed a new picture of the same plane flying by the same national monument?No, I said it was a stupid idea and whoever put out the gag order to local officials should resign.


I thought you were opposed to torture although, I've had you on ignore so long I suppose it's possible you've changed your position.I still don't care what you think or if you have me on ignore.

[ChumpDumper]

Please talk to us when speaking. It's rude to talk in the mirror.Wild Cobra is an idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

Wild Cobra is an idiot.
You are so nice at times. I'll be nicer and not say what I think about your sorry ass.

[ChumpDumper]

You are so nice at times. I'll be nicer and not say what I think about your sorry ass.Don't hold back on my account. It's just the internets.

[Wild Cobra]

Don't hold back on my account. It's just the internets.
No, that's OK. I don't need to stoop to your level.

[ChumpDumper]

No, that's OK. I don't need to stoop to your level.You stoop lower by saying Obama personally buzzed New York.


Wild Cobra is an idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

You stoop lower by saying Obama personally buzzed New York.


Wild Cobra is an idiot.
see. How can anyone have a reasonable discussion with you. You are a liar.

I cannot help but wonder if he was really on the airplane, and wanted to see NY up close.
I did not say he was in the plane. I was certainly thinking he was.

Anyone know where he was at that time?

I'm done with you for the day, maybe more. Cannot discuss things with liars.

[ChumpDumper]

I did not say he was in the plane. I was certainly thinking he was.

Anyone know where he was at that time?:lmao

"I did not say he was on the plane. I said I thought he was on the plane."

:downspin:

[hope4dopes]

Now I hear this asinine stunt cost like 300 grand.

[Yonivore]

Isn't that the Goldman Sachs building in lower Manhattan?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_orkXxp0bhEA/Sfgs6z9jRCI/AAAAAAAAR_c/4OIW58FHt6Y/s400/090429-wabc-nyc2.jpg
Yeah, none of them were thinking about September 11, 2001...

What a monumental fuck up.

[PixelPusher]

Isn't that the Goldman Sachs building in lower Manhattan?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_orkXxp0bhEA/Sfgs6z9jRCI/AAAAAAAAR_c/4OIW58FHt6Y/s400/090429-wabc-nyc2.jpg
Yeah, none of them were thinking about September 11, 2001...

What a monumental fuck up.

3 more pages of this and this thead will match the iPod thread.

C'mon Yoni, you can carry this thread! You're the undisputed champion of fake outrage, I believe in you.

[LnGrrrR]

A question for the board Republicans: Has ANY liberal said this was a smart thing to do? Or said that they don't think it was a mistake? Or said that it should not be investigated, or that the person who signed off on this was a dumbass?

Or are they just stating that Obama didn't know about it personally?

Yeesh. Obama better not tell the media what his favorite cereal is, or the media would probably twist that around into him being some commie-lover too.

[FaithInOne]

Why focus on this meaningless shit when real bad stuff is actually going on...