20/20 Hindsight thread

[Allanon]

Major team screw-ups that changed the course of a franchise?

Post your favorite fuck-ups.

[Allanon]

How good would the Pistons be if they had taken:

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2007/c_anthony_as_head.jpghttp://www.thesportstruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/dwayne-wade.jpg

Instead of:
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0611/nba_g_milicic_400.jpg

[Summers]

Memphis trading Gasol?

[JoeTait75]

- Trading the draft rights to James Worthy for Don Ford

- Having an owner that single-handedly turned the Mavericks into a viable NBA team at the expense of the future of our own franchise ("I don't like to leave my office for lunch; I might miss a call from Cleveland" - Dick Motta)

- Trading the draft rights to Charles Oakley for the draft rights to Keith Lee

- Trading Ron Harper for Danny Ferry

- Drafting John Morton instead of Vlade Divac

- Moving out of the Richfield Coliseum

- Drafting Bob Sura instead of Michael Finley

- Drafting DeSagana Diop instead of Joe Johnson

- Drafting Luke Jackson instead of Jameer Nelson

- Believing a word that came out of Carlos Boozer's mouth

- Trading two first-round picks for Jiri Welsch

Etc, etc, etc

[Bruno]

Trading Caron Butler for Kwame Brown.
Pickung Andrew Bynum over Danny Granger.

[Allanon]

Trading Caron Butler for Kwame Brown.

Kobe was pissed when they heard that Mitch had made this trade. But Kwame brought Gasol so I guess it ended well.



Picking Andrew Bynum over Danny Granger.

So far yes, but this should turn around.

[Allanon]

- Trading the draft rights to James Worthy for Don Ford

- Having an owner that single-handedly turned the Mavericks into a viable NBA team at the expense of the future of our own franchise ("I don't like to leave my office for lunch; I might miss a call from Cleveland" - Dick Motta)

- Trading the draft rights to Charles Oakley for the draft rights to Keith Lee

- Trading Ron Harper for Danny Ferry

- Drafting John Morton instead of Vlade Divac

- Moving out of the Richfield Coliseum

- Drafting Bob Sura instead of Michael Finley

- Drafting DeSagana Diop instead of Joe Johnson

- Drafting Luke Jackson instead of Jameer Nelson

- Believing a word that came out of Carlos Boozer's mouth

- Trading two first-round picks for Jiri Welsch

Etc, etc, etc

Alot of these were before my time....all Cavs?

[timvp]

The Spurs not bribing Jerry West.

[JoeTait75]

Alot of these were before my time....all Cavs?

Yep.

Of course, if you believe in Chaos Theory, had any one of these things not happened, we might not have LeBron right now.

[Muser]

http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/images/2007/10/04/fullj.jpg Over http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2008/basketball/nba/02/08/popovich.grizzlies/T1_0208_gasol_trotman.jpg and http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/clockingin/tony_parker.jpg

[JamStone]

How good would the Pistons be if they had taken:

http://www.nba.com/media/allstar2007/c_anthony_as_head.jpghttp://www.thesportstruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/dwayne-wade.jpg

Instead of:
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0611/nba_g_milicic_400.jpg

Pretty fucking good right now, but I don't think they win a championship in 2004. And, while they'd be a better team now, they wouldn't be championship contenders now either. As a Piston fan, I'm among many others that believe that it wasn't passing on Wade or Carmelo that was as much of a mistake than passing on Chris Bosh. Both Wade and Carmelo are better players, but Bosh helped addressed what the Pistons needed more then and now.

[Allanon]

http://theassociation.blogs.com/the_association/images/2007/10/04/fullj.jpg Over http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2008/basketball/nba/02/08/popovich.grizzlies/T1_0208_gasol_trotman.jpg and http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/clockingin/tony_parker.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii313/chupacabreezy/michael-jordan.jpg?t=1240958295

[Allanon]

Pretty fucking good right now, but I don't think they win a championship in 2004. And, while they'd be a better team now, they wouldn't be championship contenders now either. As a Piston fan, I'm among many others that believe that it wasn't passing on Wade or Carmelo that was as much of a mistake than passing on Chris Bosh. Both Wade and Carmelo are better players, but Bosh helped addressed what the Pistons needed more then and now.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I wanted to get Chris Bosh in but his picture was too big.

Pistons would be fucking awesome if they had picked up anybody BUT the Hulk.

[Muser]

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii313/chupacabreezy/michael-jordan.jpg?t=1240958295

:lmao

Oh, and the Spurs picking Marcus Fucking Williams over Marc Gasol.

[redzero]

The Hornets letting Birdman and Brandon Bass go. JR Smith is an asshole, so letting him go wasn't so bad. That boy has some problems.

[Artest_Is_Fearless]

Dude post number 13 and still none of this? c'mon!

http://clutchfans.net/images/luis_scola21.jpg for http://www.superbasket.gr/data/teams/vspan/vspan4.jpg

[Findog]

I thought this thread was about Jason Kidd and Devin Harris.

[Lars]

Not taking the Blazers offer of the #1 pick and Drexler for Sampson. (Jordan/Drexler/Hakeem = 13 rings?)
Trading Horry/Cassell for Barkley.
Letting Scottie "Quitten" Pippen wear a Rox uniform.
Trading away Richard Jefferson
Trading away Gay for Battier (which was probably the smart move)

[N4th4n]

Any Suns move in the last 5 years excluding Nash.

[SpursDynasty]

Houston picking Hakeem in 1984 instead of Jordan.
Portland picking Sam Bowie in 1984 instead of Jordan.

Portland picking Greg Oden.
Cleveland picking LeBron instead of Wade (Wade has a ring)

[DAF86]

The teams that didn't draft Jordan when they could. 'Nuff said.

[DAF86]

Houston picking Hakeem in 1984 instead of Jordan.
Portland picking Sam Bowie in 1984 instead of Jordan.


You beat me to it.

[baseline bum]

Not taking the Blazers offer of the #1 pick and Drexler for Sampson. (Jordan/Drexler/Hakeem = 13 rings?)


Damn.

For the Spurs, it's easily the 92 off-season:

1) Passing on a trade of Willie Anderson + Terry Cummings for Charles Barkley. TC blows out his knee in a pickup game that summer and is never the same, Barkley wins MVP, and closes down Hemisfair Arena in the playoffs.

2) Letting Rod Strickland walk for nothing, and replacing him with scrub-ass Vinny Del Negro.

Strickland / Dale Ellis / Elliott / Barkley / Robinson with Antoine Carr and AJ off the bench would have been nasty.

[Lars]

These threads make me sad =(

[LEONARD]

Cleveland picking LeBron instead of Wade (Wade has a ring)

If the Cavs win a title this year, will you post the link to your webcam before you blow your head off so we can watch?

Thanks...

[DAF86]

Not taking the Blazers offer of the #1 pick and Drexler for Sampson. (Jordan/Drexler/Hakeem = 13 rings?)


Explain please, How could the Blazer offer the number one pick if it was Houston's. What I'm not getting?

[IronMexican]

Not too many shitty moves for the Lakers. And when they do, it turns into Pau.

[Mad_Hatter]

Explain please, How could the Blazer offer the number one pick if it was Houston's. What I'm not getting?

he means #2 pick + drexler.

[DAF86]

he means #2 pick + drexler.

Thanks. Wow!!! didn't know about that, men if I were a Rockets fan I'd be dead right now.

[DAF86]

And you make fun of us because of the Scola thread :lol

[Darthkiller]

Explain please, How could the Blazer offer the number one pick if it was Houston's. What I'm not getting?


he means the blazer's first pick which is no.2 .

ROckets coulda had Drexler+ Jordan+ Hakeem hmm

[baseline bum]

Not too many shitty moves for the Lakers. And when they do, it turns into Pau.

The Lakers could have drafted Larry Bird in '78 with the 5th pick that they got from Kansas City. Instead they had KC pick Purvis Short, and sent him to Golden State. Boston drafted Bird with next pick.

Magic + Bird + Kareem :wow

[Allanon]

he means the blazer's first pick which is no.2 .

ROckets coulda had Drexler+ Jordan+ Hakeem hmm

Wow, never knew of that one.

[Steve Kerr]

Hiring me.

[IronMexican]

The Lakers could have drafted Larry Bird in '78 with the 5th pick that they got from Kansas City. Instead they had KC pick Purvis Short, and sent him to Golden State. Boston drafted Bird with next pick.

Magic + Bird + Kareem :wow

That would have been sick. I think the entire NBA benefited more by Bird going to Boston, though

[baseline bum]

Seriously, the Lakers would have won every single title in the 80s.

[IronMexican]

And the NBA probably wouldn't be what it is today without Magic vs Bird.

[baseline bum]

And the NBA probably wouldn't be what it is today without Magic vs Bird.

Maybe so. The 1984 Finals were the birth of the NBA as a major league. Still, it's hard to think Jordan would have been ignored.

[Allanon]

Suns trade

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/luke_winn/06/27/underrated.overrated/t1_rondo.jpg

for

http://www.careerguide.com.ua/files/u2/ist2_4415349_money_bag.jpg

[Steve Kerr]

Suns trade

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/luke_winn/06/27/underrated.overrated/t1_rondo.jpg

for

http://www.careerguide.com.ua/files/u2/ist2_4415349_money_bag.jpg


I personally like trading the unprotected 2010 pick for nothing. I know the fans are in uproar about it, but I needed to do something that incredibly stupid to truly see how much Sarver doesn't give a shit about how dumb I am.

Knowing you can do something that dumb at your job and still keep it is the best feeling ever.

[baseline bum]

You forgot:

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/iguodala_040607.jpg

-or-

http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/deng_040607.jpg

for

http://www.continuumjournals.com/images/95_cash_1.jpg

[KSeal]

Suns trade

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/luke_winn/06/27/underrated.overrated/t1_rondo.jpg

for

http://www.careerguide.com.ua/files/u2/ist2_4415349_money_bag.jpg

Didn't the Suns also trade the draft rights to Rudy Fernandez for cash?

[Allanon]

Didn't the Suns also trade the draft rights to Rudy Fernandez for cash?

Oh yeah. Suns traded,

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/rudyfernandez10.jpg

for

http://www.pieceofeight.com/images/free/doubloons-a.jpg

[adidas11]

When the Suns let Joe Johnson walk, opting to put their money with Steve Nash.

[Steve Kerr]

Don't talk shit. Robby Sarver isn't cheap. I've wasted so much of his money the man is like a piggy bank.

[adidas11]

The Lakers could have drafted Larry Bird in '78 with the 5th pick that they got from Kansas City. Instead they had KC pick Purvis Short, and sent him to Golden State. Boston drafted Bird with next pick.

Magic + Bird + Kareem :wow

Whoa.... :wow

[jacobdrj]

This game is fun!

Pistons giving away Corliss Williamson, for nothing, and thinking as if McDyess was his replacement (McD doesn't play inside, so a good pickup, but not what they needed).
Kings not covering Horry in that last play of that unholy game in the 2002 WCF. (I was screaming my lungs out 'WHOS ON HORRY WHOS ON HORRY' And then he did it... )
Pistons drafting Darko.
Ron Artest not fighting with Ben Wallace on the court.
Suns not extending Joe Johnson, and then trading him to ATL.
Avery changing the lineup before game 1 of the playoffs in 07. Way to loose your team showing fear to the lesser opponent without even giving the starters a chance.
Byron dog-housing Mutumbo in the Finals, probably not a good idea.
Jerry Slone just generally being a wuss in the 1998 Finals towards his own players.
Kobe axing P-Jax.
Orlando maxing out Grant Hill despite his injury.
Spree telling the world he needed to feed his family. That not only killed his career, it destroyed Mini, and ultimately lead to Boston getting KG, and a title.
NBA Lockout. Set the NBA back decades.
Hornets mishandling Mashburn's knees.
Phili grabbing Brand to the MAX.
New York signing McDyess.
New York hiring Isiah Thomas.
Toronto hiring Isiah Thomas.
Indiana hiring Isiah Thomas.

[resistanze]

Who was drafted one spot before Kobe?

Vitaly Potapenko.

[jacobdrj]

Who traded Kobe for Vlade?
The Hornets...

They could have had a hell of a squad with Kobe...

[Basketballgirl25]

-Letting Kenyon Martin go
-Signning Mourning(who along with Kidd complained, at least Kidd had a reason, if we didn't pay Mourning a lot of money we could have kept Martin)

[iggypop123]

nobody has mentioned robert parish and mchale for some trash player.

[endrity]

Devin Harris!!!

Avery resting the starters at the last game of the 07 season against GS and then changing the lineup in Game 1.

[Allanon]

Good times
http://machochip.com/manu_dorky_gold.jpg

Bad times
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/08/23/sp-olympics-bask_0499021837.jpg

[DAF86]

Good times
http://machochip.com/manu_dorky_gold.jpg

Bad times
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/08/23/sp-olympics-bask_0499021837.jpg

Don't get it.

[Allanon]

Don't get it.

I left out the more distasteful picture. But here you go, the 2nd picture should have been.

Manu could have stayed home in 2008.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cfn59T2i04Ju/340x.jpg

[DAF86]

I left out the more distasteful picture. But here you go, the 2nd picture should have been.

Manu could have stayed home in 2008.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cfn59T2i04Ju/340x.jpg

I just re-read your first post, I thought this was a thread about bad FO moves. Now I do get it :D

[KSeal]

Who traded Kobe for Vlade?
The Hornets...

They could have had a hell of a squad with Kobe...

Kobe wouldn't play for them that's why they traded him.

[jacobdrj]

Kobe wouldn't play for them that's why they traded him.
I know, but in hindsight, they might have been better off with him not playing for the hornets, than playing for the Lakers.

[baseline bum]

nobody has mentioned robert parish and mchale for some trash player.

Joe Barely-Cares

[baseline bum]

Kobe wouldn't play for them that's why they traded him.

Baron Davis said the same thing and they called his bluff.

[JoeTait75]

Who was drafted one spot before Kobe?

Vitaly Potapenko.

Kobe wouldn't have played in Cleveland. And the Ukraine Train justified his selection by decking Zo's bitch ass a few years later.

[jacobdrj]

In hindsight, playing Manu/Tayshaun in the Olympics may not have been a good idea...