Free Agent: Trevor Ariza

[Ditty]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_trevor_ariza.jpg

Trevor Ariza | F
Born: Jun 30, 1985
Height: 6-8 / 2,03
Weight: 210 lbs. / 95,3 kg.
College: UCLA
Years Pro: 4

info (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/trevor_ariza/index.html)

might be a pipe dream but would give him the whole MLE if we have too :toast

[Ditty]

bowens replacment?

and hes a bad free throw shooter

perfect for the spurs

[HarlemHeat37]

he's obviously the ideal fit, but very unlikely..

[timvp]

We talked about him a few years ago and a big group of us wanted to go after him. That's back when he could have been had for less than the MLE. Now? It's probably too late and he's no longer a buy low.

[DPG21920]

Yes. Don't know if the Spurs have the bullets to get him. He seems to love being a Laker. Have to see how the Lakers do this year. The Lakers are well into luxury tax so it is going to cost them double to sign Ariza.

[DAF86]

he's obviously the ideal fit, but very unlikely..

Mas uno.

[HarlemHeat37]

another thing you have to look at..

IF the Lakers don't get him back, somebody will find a way to overpay for him..we can't do that..

[NewJerSpur]

he's obviously the ideal fit, but very unlikely..

:tu

I think he's from out west, and the Lakers will likely find a way to pay him. Developing range behind the arc this season makes it even harder to swallow how perfect he'd be here.

[crc21209]

If the Spurs can get him, HELL YEAH :tu. The Lakers can most likely only keep one of either Odom or Ariza, and Odom was money in the series against Utah...so who will the Lakers choose if they have to?

[DPG21920]

Sign Ariza full MLE (yikes) then trade for a big from a team looking to salary dump.

Trade Big/Duncan/Ariza/Manu/TP

[baseline bum]

Ariza is from Los Angeles, went to school in Los Angeles, and now starts for the title favorite in Los Angeles who will almost certainly outbid any Spurs offer. The Spurs have absolutely no angle to even pitch to him.

[DPG21920]

Ariza is from Los Angeles, went to school in Los Angeles, and now starts for the title favorite in Los Angeles who will almost certainly outbid any Spurs offer. The Spurs have absolutely no angle to even pitch to him.

That might not be true, although I agree largely with it. The only chance (albeit a slim one) is for the Lakers to have match a full MLE offer.

If that is the case, the Lakers are already at 74 million with only 9 players on the books. That is with Shannon Brown, LO and Ariza needing to be re-signed. If the Lakers have to match it would almost cost them 11 million per year to resign Ariza for at least the next 2 years.

[024]

spurs should make an offer just to screw with the lakers.

[baseline bum]

That might not be true, although I agree largely with it. The only chance (albeit a slim one) is for the Lakers to have match a full MLE offer.

If that is the case, the Lakers are already at 74 million with only 9 players on the books. That is with Shannon Brown, LO and Ariza needing to be re-signed. If the Lakers have to match it would almost cost them 11 million per year to resign Ariza for at least the next 2 years.

Good point. $74 million in this economy is going to be hard for LA to swallow, and they might be forced to let one of Odom and Ariza walk. I don't see anyone taking Walton or Vujacic off their hands.

[DPG21920]

Hell, with the way he played, it would be lovely if they let Shannon Brown walk.

[manufor3]

he's obviously the ideal fit, but very unlikely..

this

[turiaf for president]

if they had to choose, they would pick ariza over odom. he fits better and is cheaper. only way the lakers can keep both is if they get ariza for 5-6 a year and odom takes a pay cut to 8-10 per year. we'll see if odom is about rings or money because hes made over 80 mil so far in his career

[Mel_13]

I really like Ariza, but there is absolutely no way he ends up on the Spurs. Just think about the series of events that would have to take place for it to happen.

1. Ariza must not receive an offer in excess of the MLE from a team with cap space.

2. Spurs must clear enough space under the lux tax to make a full MLE offer.

3. Spurs must be willing to spend the entire MLE on Ariza

4. Lakers must refuse to make a comparable offer.

5. Even if you get this far, Ariza would have to prefer an MLE offer from the Spurs over an MLE offer from every other NBA team that may think he is worth the MLE. If Boston, Miami, or Dallas offer the same deal, what are the chances that he chooses the Spurs?

Its like drawing to an inside straight and, even if you hit it, the other guy already has a flush.

[loveforthegame]

Pipe dream. It wouldn't hurt to give a call but I think the Spurs would be better at looking elsewhere.

[DPG21920]

if they had to choose, they would pick ariza over odom. he fits better and is cheaper. only way the lakers can keep both is if they get ariza for 5-6 a year and odom takes a pay cut to 8-10 per year. we'll see if odom is about rings or money because hes made over 80 mil so far in his career

You do realize that if what you say is true (Ariza for 5-6, Odom for 8-10), it will cost the Lakers 10-11M for Ariza and 16-20M for Odom per year for at least the next 2 years. Yikes.

[baseline bum]

if they had to choose, they would pick ariza over odom. he fits better and is cheaper. only way the lakers can keep both is if they get ariza for 5-6 a year and odom takes a pay cut to 8-10 per year. we'll see if odom is about rings or money because hes made over 80 mil so far in his career

Odom's only chance to get $8-$10 million this season is to go to Detroit / use them to leverage it out of LA. This is not a seller's market at all this summer with everyone hoarding capspace for 2010. Memphis obviously isn't going to make a big offer to Odom if they were tired of paying Gasol; Atlanta has tons of talented forwards, so throw them out; same with Oklahoma City; Toronto might go after him, but Marion is probably a higher priority for them.

No other team can likely offer Odom anything more than about $7 million starting. It looks like it will be between LA and Detroit. Even Portland looks stuck in that boat unless the salary cap goes up this summer.

[IronMexican]

I hope he stays a Laker

[TDomination]

This guy is great. I am so jealous of the Lakers that they have him.

It would be great to get him, but i think we have a 0.00001% chance of getting him. Someone will offer him a lot. And he will take it.

[Spurs Brazil]

I hope we can get him for the MLE but I think he'll stay in LA


Good point. $74 million in this economy is going to be hard for LA to swallow, and they might be forced to let one of Odom and Ariza walk. I don't see anyone taking Walton or Vujacic off their hands.

Don't forget the Memphis Grizzlies is still in the league. They may trade their 1st round pick for Walton and Vujacic

[TDMVPDPOY]

But if a team like Memphis offered about 6 or 6.5 million I think he might take that.

seriously that memphis team is going nowhere and wont be competing for a championship anyway, why waste 6-6.5m on ariza.....what the grizz need is a true franchise player to lead them there, which they dont even have. They got most of the pieces already in place.....

[Laker-fan-in-SanAnto]

You do realize that if what you say is true (Ariza for 5-6, Odom for 8-10), it will cost the Lakers 10-11M for Ariza and 16-20M for Odom per year for at least the next 2 years. Yikes.

It will all deppend what they do in these playoffs, If they lose they're letting one of the two go. If they win it all, they'll take the hit and try to sign them both. Why try to fix something that is not broken!

[Ditty]

i thought he was from miami i think lakers will go with odumb at the end of the day beacsue he casue so much problems for teams

but i hope odom goes with some bad team in the east

and ariza comes to the spurs

[tav1]

We talked about him a few years ago and a big group of us wanted to go after him. That's back when he could have been had for less than the MLE. Now? It's probably too late and he's no longer a buy low.

Yeah, I was so pissed when LA landed him for a pair of old gym socks. I was talking with an LA guy today...he tells me that the Lakers think the market on Ariza might be less than the MLE. I told him that they were crazy. He's 23. Weird free agent season because of the economy and because it's a year prior to the big spending orgy. Everyone wants to save their cash.

[Ditty]

impressed me more in the houston game hes exactly what the spurs need

get this guy a contract on the table already

ARIZA FOR THE MLE

all over his cock

[Russ]

He went to UCLA and plays for the NBA's glamour team, the Lakers.

Somehow I kind of doubt he's coming. :lmao

[ffadicted]

If the lakers implode and lose this year before the finals, they'll dump pieces.

We could make a good pickup with Ariza if that were to happen.

[jason1301]

Dice
TD
Ariza
Manu
TP


:rollin

[AusSpursFan]

Certainly worth a shot, I have been following him since his NYK days and this kid can flat out play on both ends of the court. Who knows what the offseason holds, but if Ariza ends up in a Spurs uniform then it is a job well done.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

We talked about him a few years ago and a big group of us wanted to go after him. That's back when he could have been had for less than the MLE. Now? It's probably too late and he's no longer a buy low.

That was after the 2007 ring, wasn't it? I was one of those people... we were all hoping the team might get a bit younger and more athletic because it was pretty clear that was the way the game was going, even then. But the FO decided to stay with vets instead, their worst mistake of the last two years I think (not reading the way the league has trended towards athleticism), although I see why they did it.

Man, Ariza could have been had for virtually nothing back then, he would have turned out to be another FO coup... meh, not to be...

[Ditty]

Dice
TD
Ariza
Manu
TP


:rollin

rasheed
duncan
ariza
manu
parker

[DMX7]

Yes. Don't know if the Spurs have the bullets to get him. He seems to love being a Laker. Have to see how the Lakers do this year. The Lakers are well into luxury tax so it is going to cost them double to sign Ariza.

He loves money more than the Lakers. We can pay him more.

[Mel_13]

He loves money more than the Lakers. We can pay him more.

Where do you get the idea that we can pay more?

[turiaf for president]

He loves money more than the Lakers. We can pay him more.

he is the lakers' free agent. they can offer him more than anyone else

[mosdef17]

Spurs don't like to overspend on role players and thus doubt he would be offered the whole MLE. We offered the entire MLE last offseason to Corey Maggette but thats obviously because he was potentially another major piece. Ariza is only really a defensive specialist that can shoot the 3 and is really athletic. I like him a lot but don't think he is worth the full MLE. We can do better with that money.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Spurs don't like to overspend on role players and thus doubt he would be offered the whole MLE. We offered the entire MLE last offseason to Corey Maggette but thats obviously because he was potentially another major piece. Ariza is only really a defensive specialist that can shoot the 3 and is really athletic. I like him a lot but don't think he is worth the full MLE. We can do better with that money.


This is true. Think about it. It would be a whole MLE and our offense wouldn't really improve that much. :wow

[timvp]

That was after the 2007 ring, wasn't it? I was one of those people... we were all hoping the team might get a bit younger and more athletic because it was pretty clear that was the way the game was going, even then. But the FO decided to stay with vets instead, their worst mistake of the last two years I think (not reading the way the league has trended towards athleticism), although I see why they did it.

Man, Ariza could have been had for virtually nothing back then, he would have turned out to be another FO coup... meh, not to be...

Summer of 2006:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45517

:lol @ those who argued that summer that Jared Jeffries was better than Ariza. Spurs could have locked Ariza up for about $3M per year back then :depressed

[024]

after ariza's pretty good playoff performance this year, i think the lakers would match even the full MLE. could have had ariza in the pass, but it's time to move on.

[Manufan909]

after ariza's pretty good playoff performance this year, i think the lakers would match even the full MLE. could have had ariza in the pass, but it's time to move on.

Damn, don't give up hope!!! I'd really like Ariza over Odom, or most any other SF available this summer.

[TampaDude]

Don't know if it will ever happen, but I'd love to have Ariza on the Spurs...he's a game changer! :hat

[xtremesteven33]

If i had the choice:

Odom > Ariza

[Libri]

Ariza or Odom would look good in a Spurs uniform. :elephant Unfortunately there is a slim to no chance of getting any of them. :depressed

[Obstructed_View]

If you could give Ariza Kobe's talent, he might be almost as good as Lakerfan says Kobe is.

[Blackjack]

I still remember him having an imressive outing against the Spurs in the pre-season up in New York, and thinking how nice of a fit he would be on the Spurs, but I'm not in love with him, the way most seem to be.

The player he became this year was quite an improvement but I'm skeptical as to how long he'll be able to stay out of the training room.

Maybe it's unfair, and admittedly I haven't looked to see how much time he's missed the last couple of seasons, but I've always had the impression of him being injury-prone.

If he can keep up the play of this season he'll be worth the MLE or a little more, but it would suck to pay that kind of cash, and be a signiicant hit to the team, if he's not capable of staying on the floor.

[lefty]

If i had the choice:

Odom > Ariza
Odom is more talented and versatile (damn can he create matchup problems), but Ariza shows up almost every single night
He is also a better defender than Odom

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Summer of 2006:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45517

:lol @ those who argued that summer that Jared Jeffries was better than Ariza. Spurs could have locked Ariza up for about $3M per year back then :depressed

Yeah... :depressed

In hindsight, I will take some lumps for advocating for Jackie Butler at that point, but he looked promising at the time and hindsight is always 20/20... :lol

[Spurs Brazil]

Report: Ariza meets with Rockets

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303256

[mfanatic]

LA let's go of Ariza..

What about offering him the full MLE
Would Mcdyess take the LLE to play for a ring or two?
Resign Gooden to the vet. minimum..

Parker/Hill
Manu/Mason
Jefferson/Ariza
Duncan/Gooden
Mcdeyss/Ian

!!!!!

[45 bank shot]

LA let's go of Ariza..

What about offering him the full MLE
Would Mcdyess take the LLE to play for a ring or two?
Resign Gooden to the vet. minimum..

Parker/Hill
Manu/Mason
Jefferson/Ariza
Duncan/Gooden
Mcdeyss/Ian

!!!!!

Epic Fail, my man

[smrattler]

Let's say Ariza accepts MLE money from us by some miracle.

I think McD has plenty of suitors willing to give him the bulk if not all the MLE.

Plus, what are we gonna offer Gooden?

Ok, forget Gooden then? Yeah, we'd be SMALL! Athletic as hell, but small as funk!

Remember, Ian doesn't count, he might not get off the bench at all, we don't know. But we DO know he's a rookie too, so, he's got that working against him too with Pop.

[brettn]

LA let's go of Ariza..

What about offering him the full MLE
Would Mcdyess take the LLE to play for a ring or two?
Resign Gooden to the vet. minimum..

Parker/Hill
Manu/Mason
Jefferson/Ariza
Duncan/Gooden
Mcdeyss/Ian

!!!!!

While you're at it maybe we can get ariza and sheed to agree to split the MLE money!

[coyotes_geek]

What about offering him the full MLE

Why? We have Jefferson.


Would Mcdyess take the LLE to play for a ring or two?

Not when other contenders are offering him a lot more money.


Resign Gooden to the vet. minimum..

I'm guessing Gooden doesn't like that idea too much.

[spurspokesman]

While you're at it maybe we can get ariza and sheed to agree to split the MLE money!

Or we can offer the corpses of bonner udoka finley for dwight howard. Get it done RC

[texasmade006]

mcdyess is the type of player the spurs wants. i see him coming to the spurs cuz he wants to win.

[Steve-O-Matic]

LA let's go of Ariza..

What about offering him the full MLE
Would Mcdyess take the LLE to play for a ring or two?
Resign Gooden to the vet. minimum..

Parker/Hill
Manu/Mason
Jefferson/Ariza
Duncan/Gooden
Mcdeyss/Ian

!!!!!

I don't know what's more ridiculous. The idea of giving our entire MLE to someone to be a backup SF, or the idea that Ariza would sign somewhere to be a backup.

[FkLA]

I'd love Ariza on the Spurs, but its a pippe dream. We'd have to somehow get rid of Mason or Finley. A sign and trade for Mason would be pretty sick but it aint happening.

[Libri]

LA let's go of Ariza..

What about offering him the full MLE
Would Mcdyess take the LLE to play for a ring or two?
Resign Gooden to the vet. minimum..

Parker/Hill
Manu/Mason
Jefferson/Ariza
Duncan/Gooden
Mcdeyss/Ian

!!!!!

According to the article, Ariza is looking for more than the full MLE.

[Allanon]

According to the article, Ariza is looking for more than the full MLE.

Yeah, it seems the MLE offer to Ariza from the Lakers insulted him. He wants something like $8 million last I read.

[objective]

Verbal Commitment with Houston

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303862

[lefty]

So, will Ariza replace Yao at the Center position? :D

[timvp]

Verbal Commitment with Houston

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303862

Over/Under of ten minutes before someone starts the separate thread?

[rayray2k8]

Over. :D
I guess he doesn't care about winning, because Houston isn't winning shit this year. :lol

[duncan228]

Over/Under of ten minutes before someone starts the separate thread?

:lol

[FkLA]

Over. :D
I guess he doesn't care about winning, because Houston isn't winning shit this year. :lol

Why would he care? Its not like he's an old vet hungry for a ring...he's 24 and just won one. What he wants is to get paid.

Although honestly it makes absolutely no sense that he supposedly rejected LA's MLE and accepted Houston's. Either the Lakers offered him less than the MLE or his agent was simply bluffing at first, LA said 'fuck you than' and went after Artest...and now Ariza has to settle for Houston. Houston has Battier and Ariza now, two great perimeter defenders. If the Spurs cant get Bruce back I think they should ship Mason+Bonner and try to get one of those two players.

[Blackjack]

Originally Posted by objective

Verbal Commitment with Houston

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303862

I've got to wonder what Houston's plan is...

Does Ariza's acquisition, and the fact that he's only turning 24, make Battier available?

I mean, are they looking to clear cap room for next year and since they get a guy like Ariza, they can afford to let Battier go for some expiring contracts?

Haven't put too much thought into it, but you'd think they're not expecting to compete this year with Tracy coming back from microfracture and the outlook for Yao, but having some of the young pieces they do have now?

Maybe looking to land a Bosh in '10 is their best plan moving forward?

It's definitely some wishful thinking on my part, but Battier was born to be a Spur...