Free Agent: Antonio McDyess

[meestahmeestah]

There's a couple of reasons I could see overpaying for Wallace...better shooting range, slightly more athletic, but largely because at this stage in his career, he's likely to more durable than McDyess. A 35 year old with a surgically repaired knee playing starters' minutes is asking for trouble.

[holcs50]

Gawd, what a newb.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1994/0307_large.jpg


i got that SI framed. Such a great shot, man i miss DR still to this day. Wish someone had the fountain of youth or something so he could come play at like 24 now days and show just how good he was. Always the fastest 7 footer imo, and one of the best

[crc21209]

A "big" rotation of TD, Dyess, Blair, Mahinmi, and possibly Haislip. Not bad. I dont include Bonner in there because he had his chance last yr and blew it. He performed well in the 1st half of the season or so but then dissapeared.

[NewJerSpur]

i got that SI framed. Such a great shot, man i miss DR still to this day. Wish someone had the fountain of youth or something so he could come play at like 24 now days and show just how good he was. Always the fastest 7 footer imo, and one of the best

He was pretty damn quick, and could actually dribble between his legs before the back problems....seriously. He was a big of a different ilk, that's for sure.

[mogrovejo]

So would you have been okay paying Rasheed (who averaged 12/7/1) the MLE, but not McDyess (who averaged 10/10 in less minutes)?

To me, if you are willing to pay one of them, you should be willing to pay the other. They are both old vets who can contribute. I just don't understand the people that think Dice is a huge huge drop off from Rasheed (and the others who think the other way around).

Because Dice plays way better defence than Rasheed, who suffers from an acute lack of footspeed. He got torched by mediocre big men because he couldnt move well enough to defend the pick and roll.

Dice may not be as good defending the post, but overall he's a fairly superior defender and player.

[NewJerSpur]

If we don't add a piece to tighten up the perimeter defense I hope one of the young guys can step up as a true presence in the paint.

[iggypop123]

He was pretty damn quick, and could actually dribble between his legs before the back problems....seriously. He was a big of a different ilk, that's for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53lwRhU4fs

[timvp]

Andy Miller said the Blazers have expressed zero interest in McDyess, the veteran free agent power forward

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/07/blazers_next_move_is_a_mystery.html


That should confirm that the Spurs will be the highest bidder for McDyess.

Hopefully.

[NewJerSpur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53lwRhU4fs

What's your point?

[4RINGS]

I don't think Dice will sign with the Spurs, he would have commited by now. He will stay with Detroit.

[montgod]

I don't think Dice will sign with the Spurs, he would have commited by now. He will stay with Detroit.

Unfortunately I agree. The only thing that might change his mind is a trade with Utah which would put him back on the bench. Although, he is used to be a role player so even then it could be a stretch.

[ElNono]

Have we sent a team of naked female mariachis his way yet? Get it done Pop!

[rayray2k8]

What's your point?

There is no point, he just like to rub it. Laker fans have no class, they get behind wife beaters and accused rapist.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

There's a couple of reasons I could see overpaying for Wallace...better shooting range, slightly more athletic, but largely because at this stage in his career, he's likely to more durable than McDyess. A 35 year old with a surgically repaired knee playing starters' minutes is asking for trouble.

Sheed - better shooting range
Dice - better shooter! (51% vs 42% for Sheed)

Sheed - didn't look very athletic last year to me
Dice - averaged 10 boards in 30 mins

Sheed - last 3 season: 75, 77, 66 games
Dice - last 3 seasons: 82, 78, 62 games (not missed through injury but due to trade)

Examine the facts and a different picture is apparent.

I have to agree with Kori though - either of these guys fit us well. I favour Dice over Sheed because Sheed looked like a shell of his former self last year to me, and he makes bad decisions under pressure, but I wouldn't have been unhappy if he'd been our guy.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53lwRhU4fs

Yes, thanks for that - shall I dig up some Kobe's rape trial footage for you? No, I'm not nasty like that.

Hakeem certainly owned David in that series, although it was arguably a coaching mistake to try to play him one-on-one the entire series when he was so dominant. I guess we had to given the Rocket's potent 3pt shooters. I don't think any player in the world could have stopped Hakeem that year.

As for the Shaq clip, I watched game after game where David embarrassed Shaq in the 90s, so that one is a bit disingenuous.

[loveforthegame]

I have the same feeling with McDyess that I had with Wallace.

I don't think he's coming here either.

[timvp]

Magic general manager Otis Smith is in pursuit of another center/forward type who can supplement an Orlando frontline that features only Howard, Rashard Lewis and Anderson now. The Magic never were in serious contention for Rasheed Wallace, who committed verbally to the Boston Celtics, and Smith said Monday he has little-to-no interest in Boston restricted free agent Glen "Big Baby" Davis. Smith has talked to representatives for Brandon Bass and he is expected to begin talks soon with Antonio McDyess about potentially signing with the Magic.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090707/SPORTS16/907070315/1002/SPORTS

[EricB]

Take bass or gooden please Orlando!

[Sean Cagney]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53lwRhU4fs

Okay so he was not what dude said he was and great because of that? You post those two things, but dude was a top 50 player all times.

[loveforthegame]

Suddenly SA nor Orlando are as interested in Big Baby as earlier reports today suggested?

[HarlemHeat37]

Otis Smith actually said that he isn't interested in Big Baby "today"..unless they talked to him again..this is what he said earlier this morning..

[timvp]

Memphis, New Orleans, and San Antonio are interested in Glen Davis, a restricted free agent forward, but no offers have been made, according to an NBA source. The Spurs prefer Detroit free agent forward Antonio McDyess.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/07/hill_is_ainge8217s_new_target/?page=2


If McDyess is Plan A and Davis is Plan B, break out your rosary beads, Spurs fans :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

this might be my fault..I said last week that I expected Davis to be back in Boston, because no team would be stupid enough to offer him more than the Celtics would match..I guess I didn't consider my own team..

[Sean Cagney]

this might be my fault..I said last week that I expected Davis to be back in Boston, because no team would be stupid enough to offer him more than the Celtics would match..I guess I didn't consider my own team..

HAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA :( Damnit. Undersized, overweight! Well didn't we just draft a guy like that? OH SHYT we did! Why do we need two projects like that? Blair might work out and lose some weight, but Baby is just like him pretty much except he can't board as well.

[crc21209]

If McDyess is Plan A and Davis is Plan B, break out your rosary beads, Spurs fans :lol

May God be with us...and ALL Spurs fans. :lol

[crc21209]

And by the way what the hell are the Celtics doing? Trying to copy-cat the Lakers of '04 or what? :lol.

Lakers of 04'- Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Payton.

Celtics of 08'- Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Sheed, and now Hill?

WTF!?!? :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Boston is really old, but their role players are A LLOOOOTTTT better than that Laker team..Rondo and Perkins alone..a healthy Celtics team is the best in the NBA without question IMO..but they're going to be extremely prone to injury, considering the age of their best players..

[Blackjack]

It sure is fun getting all of our Spurs news from Boston outlets...

Anyone have Ludden's e-mail address handy for McDonald or Monroe?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Boston is really old, but their role players are A LLOOOOTTTT better than that Laker team..Rondo and Perkins alone..a healthy Celtics team is the best in the NBA without question IMO..but they're going to be extremely prone to injury, considering the age of their best players..

I find it strange that people (not just you - I hear it all the time from fans and journalists) still refer to Rondo as a "role player". He is more important to that team than either Pierce or Allen in some respects. Sure, Pierce is the closer, and Allen the shooter, but Rondo runs the team, and he was % points off averaging a triple double for last year's playoffs.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rajon_rondo/index.html

Rondo is an elite NBA PG now IMHO.


Suddenly SA nor Orlando are as interested in Big Baby as earlier reports today suggested?

You just proved my point that people thought those Big Baby reports actually had some substance. Thanks. :)

[Chillen]

And by the way what the hell are the Celtics doing? Trying to copy-cat the Lakers of '04 or what? :lol.

Lakers of 04'- Kobe, Shaq, Malone, Payton.

Celtics of 08'- Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Sheed, and now Hill?

WTF!?!? :lol

If that Celtics team enters the playoffs all healthy, they are gonna be tough to beat. Even the Lakers with the addition of Artest are gonna have a really tough time beating them if those teams rematch in the NBA finals again.

[Buddy Holly]

I bet the Spurs told Rasheed that they were more interested in Dice.

Dice > Wallace.

[HarlemHeat37]

Some good news in case we don't get McDyess, at least for me LOL..I got a call today that I would be getting a personal tryout with a few others for a walk-on spot at St.John's later this month..I've been playing with a bunch of them for years, but I was kicked out of High School years ago, and stopped pursuing basketball as seriously as I did when I was younger..I like my chances of getting a bench warmer spot, at least right now LOL..

I'll give you guys more information as I know more, and if it looks good for me..

I thought I would share that with my fellow SpursTalkers..

[HarlemHeat37]

I find it strange that people (not just you - I hear it all the time from fans and journalists) still refer to Rondo as a "role player". He is more important to that team than either Pierce or Allen in some respects. Sure, Pierce is the closer, and Allen the shooter, but Rondo runs the team, and he was % points off averaging a triple double for last year's playoffs.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rajon_rondo/index.html

Rondo is an elite NBA PG now IMHO.



I agree..I was speaking more so from a publicity/perception standpoint though..Rondo is obviously going to be taking a lot of Allen's touches as a playmaker, since Ray is more of an open shooter/coming off screens shooter..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Some good news in case we don't get McDyess, at least for me LOL..I got a call today that I would be getting a personal tryout with a few others for a walk-on spot at St.John's later this month..I've been playing with a bunch of them for years, but I was kicked out of High School years ago, and stopped pursuing basketball as seriously as I did when I was younger..I like my chances of getting a bench warmer spot, at least right now LOL..

I'll give you guys more information as I know more, and if it looks good for me..

I thought I would share that with my fellow SpursTalkers..

Nice one, mate! Stick to what you do well (one of the secrets of basketball, and life) and make the most of it! :D

[Ariel]

I bet the Spurs told Rasheed that they were more interested in Dice.

Dice > Wallace.
That´s probably the one scenario where I would cease to be pissed at the FO for not pushing harder for Rasheed. Hopefully that´s the case. Please God... let that be it.

[Blackjack]

Some good news in case we don't get McDyess, at least for me LOL..I got a call today that I would be getting a personal tryout with a few others for a walk-on spot at St.John's later this month..I've been playing with a bunch of them for years, but I was kicked out of High School years ago, and stopped pursuing basketball as seriously as I did when I was younger..I like my chances of getting a bench warmer spot, at least right now LOL..

I'll give you guys more information as I know more, and if it looks good for me..

I thought I would share that with my fellow SpursTalkers..

Good luck, bro.:toast

I'm one jealous sonbitch..:lol

[crc21209]

Some good news in case we don't get McDyess, at least for me LOL..I got a call today that I would be getting a personal tryout with a few others for a walk-on spot at St.John's later this month..I've been playing with a bunch of them for years, but I was kicked out of High School years ago, and stopped pursuing basketball as seriously as I did when I was younger..I like my chances of getting a bench warmer spot, at least right now LOL..

I'll give you guys more information as I know more, and if it looks good for me..

I thought I would share that with my fellow SpursTalkers..

Damn man...good luck bro :tu

[Bruno]

http://www.freep.com/article/20090707/SPORTS03/907070353/Free+agent+Brandon+Bass+could+be+quite+a+catch+


Although it may take time to play itself out, the Pistons would like to bring back power forward Antonio McDyess, an unrestricted free agent.

But with likely competition coming from more title-ready teams like Cleveland and San Antonio, the Pistons are looking at other options.

And that could lead them to Mavericks power forward Brandon Bass, an unrestricted free agent. Bass' agent, Tony Dutt, said Monday the Pistons have inquired about his client, and there is mutual interest.

"We see it as a great situation that we would like to explore at some time," Dutt said. "It's an organization that has the respect of players."

At least it means that McDyess isn't a lock to re-sign with Detroit.

[Spursfan092120]

Some good news in case we don't get McDyess, at least for me LOL..I got a call today that I would be getting a personal tryout with a few others for a walk-on spot at St.John's later this month..I've been playing with a bunch of them for years, but I was kicked out of High School years ago, and stopped pursuing basketball as seriously as I did when I was younger..I like my chances of getting a bench warmer spot, at least right now LOL..

I'll give you guys more information as I know more, and if it looks good for me..

I thought I would share that with my fellow SpursTalkers..
Dude..congrats bro...good luck.

[Spursfan092120]

Listened to Chuck Miketinac on ESPN 1250 tonight. He said the Spurs were more interested in Davis and Bass than McDyess. Not sure what's true or not, but being local, I'm more apt to believe Chuck.

[crc21209]

Listened to Chuck Miketinac on ESPN 1250 tonight. He said the Spurs were more interested in Davis and Bass than McDyess. Not sure what's true or not, but being local, I'm more apt to believe Chuck.

Fuck what can we believe now! :lol

[Spursfan092120]

Fuck what can we believe now! :lol
That's just it..absolutely nothing...nobody knows except the Spurs...they always try to throw smokescreen out...we'll find out soon enough..

[crc21209]

That's just it..absolutely nothing...nobody knows except the Spurs...they always try to throw smokescreen out...we'll find out soon enough..

Since signing day is a day away now hopefully we know something by tonight or tomorrow. :tu Come on Dice!

[Spursfan092120]

Since signing day is a day away now hopefully we know something by tonight or tomorrow. :tu Come on Dice!
I hope for Dice too...but whatever happens, I'll be wearing my silver and black next year...

[galvatron3000]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15920813?source=rss_blogs_NBA


The Wizards are pursuing Antonio McDyess, but word is he's heading back to the Pistons. A decision from 'Dyess is coming soon, according to a source, and it appears to be between Detroit and San Antonio. Blazers restricted free agent Channing Frye could be a fallback option for Washington. But according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Cavs are the latest team to meet with Frye, who also has drawn interest from Denver, Phoenix, and San Antonio.

[Mr. Body]

Listened to Chuck Miketinac on ESPN 1250 tonight. He said the Spurs were more interested in Davis and Bass than McDyess. Not sure what's true or not, but being local, I'm more apt to believe Chuck.

I believe it completely. It's what I thought all along (well, not the Bass part).

They may be waiting for another couple events to shake out before deciding/declaring.

[Big P]

Chuck Miketinac is a tool.

[rjv]

chuck miketinac is a tool.

+1

[hater]

Fat Baby it is

[G-Nob]

Just from getting bits and pieces from media sources, it looks like the spurs were really pushing for sheed and now dice. If dice stays in det then, I'm thinking the spurs won't break the bank for anyone(that means full MLE). To me, signs are pointing to splitter and maybe a servicable big to fill out the roster. As to say, make any one of these bigs compete for a starting spot in camp.

[ohmwrecker]

I think I am standing on the platform waiting on the Zaza train. I just want to see someone in a Spurs uniform knock the ever loving shit out of Kevin Garnett.

[superbigtime]

HAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA :( Damnit. Undersized, overweight! Well didn't we just draft a guy like that? OH SHYT we did! Why do we need two projects like that? Blair might work out and lose some weight, but Baby is just like him pretty much except he can't board as well.

He HAS lost weight man. Like 30-40 pounds. The guy looks chiseled. There is no comparison between the two.

[ohmwrecker]

Anyone who saw Blair's press conference can tell he has literally been working his ass off. He looks like a different guy than he did at Pitt.

[Muser]

Anyone who saw Blair's press conference can tell he has literally been working his ass off. He looks like a different guy than he did at Pitt.


Agreed, I really like the kids work ethic.

[Marcus Bryant]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15920813?source=rss_blogs_NBA

The Wizards are pursuing Antonio McDyess, but word is he's heading back to the Pistons. A decision from 'Dyess is coming soon, according to a source, and it appears to be between Detroit and San Antonio. Blazers restricted free agent Channing Frye could be a fallback option for Washington. But according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Cavs are the latest team to meet with Frye, who also has drawn interest from Denver, Phoenix, and San Antonio.

Makes sense. Spurs will likely be offering more $, perhaps double, and a better shot at a title. But his reported affinity for Detroit appears to be strong. One wonders if he'll ask for some kind of trade kicker or assurance that the Spurs wouldn't deal him.

[rjv]

mcdyess does appear to be very loyal and if he comes to SA this will be an asset but of course, it may be the trait that keeps him from coming here as well.

[mosdef17]

If Spurs can sign McDyess and Lakers happen to lose Odom (as is being thrown around right now as Lakers are not willing to pay $10m per year) do we think Spurs are back to being pretty close to the defending champs when both are healthy? I'd say so. If Spurs sign McDyess they will still have a little money to spend on maybe someone like Rasho or another big body defender I like our chances against the Lakers. their bench will consist of Farmar, Vujacic, Mbenga, Brown, Powell... Really unimpressive.

However assuming we get McDyess and Lakers lose Odom may be a big if, I hope Portland throw some money at Odom now that they lost turk. Lets start the chant... knee jerk reaction, knee jerk rection, knee jerk reaction!! Come on Portland, pull a Golden State! Lose Baron so you over-react and jump on and overpay Maggette!

[tp2021]

Lets start the chant... knee jerk reaction, knee jerk rection, knee jerk reaction!!

Why, that's not catchy at all.

[hater]

If Spurs can sign McDyess and Lakers happen to lose Odom (as is being thrown around right now as Lakers are not willing to pay $10m per year) do we think Spurs are back to being pretty close to the defending champs when both are healthy? I'd say so. If Spurs sign McDyess they will still have a little money to spend on maybe someone like Rasho or another big body defender I like our chances against the Lakers. their bench will consist of Farmar, Vujacic, Mbenga, Brown, Powell... Really unimpressive.

However assuming we get McDyess and Lakers lose Odom may be a big if, I hope Portland throw some money at Odom now that they lost turk. Lets start the chant... knee jerk reaction, knee jerk rection, knee jerk reaction!!

Even if Spurs don't get Dice. IF Lakers lose Odom they lose a LOT. a whole lot. Odom was the engine of the teams on long stretches. He does it all. Losing Odom alone would put Lakers back in the pack along with Spurs, Celtics, Cleveland

[DBMethos]

If we get Dice, this offseason will be an A+. If we get Dice AND the Lakers lose Odom, this offseason will be an A+++++++++ times infinity. Plus 1.

[mosdef17]

Why, that's not catchy at all.


Sigh, do you actually have anything of value to add??


Yeah true, no Odom would drag the Lakers back down. I think the Celtics are pretty far ahead of the rest right now, especially if they can score Grant Hill. I'm happy they're in the East...

[mountainballer]

we all assume the Spurs are currently focusing on McDyess, but I'm not 100% sure the plan A to bring in the missing big isn't still a trade.
the signing of Haislip for reportedly the LLE has pushed the Spurs over the threshold and adding 3 minimum contracts (Blair, Gist, McClinton?) will get them to +2-3 million over the threshold.
so signing McDyess for the MLE will cost them as much as 11 million per.
ok, we learned that they are willing to pay tax this year, but this are still the Spurs and it also doesn't take a rockets scientist to figure out that a trade of Bonner and Finley (or Mason) for a quality big might be cheaper AND might result in a better roster overall.
if the Spurs sign McDyess and with the addition of Haislip (and also Blair), Bonner will turn into dead meat. and it also might me more effective to get rid of Finley and therefore sign Bruce (to keep a "system" veteran guy).
I'm also pretty sure the signing of Haislip wasn't without intention to make Bonner even more expendable.

[mosdef17]

I'm not sure the Spurs are focusing on McDyess, I don't think they would be offering Dice the full MLE. I think somewhere in the $3.5m range would be what they would be looking at if they do decide to go down that road with him. The funny thing about the Spurs is everything is so secretive, we truly never know what is going on. Other teams around the league are always linked in trade talks here and there. If a trade is about to happen you will here about it about 2 days before it actually happens. Not the Spurs, the RJ trade basically flew out of nowhere. In short, who knows what the Spurs are up to? I refuse to believe they are simply "waiting to see how things pan out". They are not stupid and waiting/watching while quality FA's join competitive franchises would be stupid. I think they're up to something, I hope they are. Don't know what though. There must be a reason they're not pursuing free agents as hard as reported.

[Mr. Body]

Lakers won't lose Odom. He's a slut for LA.

Dice may come to the Spurs.

[MoSpur]

Well that article says a decision from Dice is coming soon. Hopefully really son.

[Ginnoobbllee]

Well, according to the Detroit Free Press, Detroit is talking to Brandon Bass's agent. That would seem to imply that they think they might be losing McDyess to the Spurs!

Of course, this may just be their backup plan, and Bass would fit their remaining budget. Anyway, encouraging to see.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

NEGOTIATIONS: Getting closer, but no deal yet

Brandon Bass | Mavericks (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal)
The Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/070709dnspomavslede.339127f.html) reports negotiations are ongoing between president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson and Brandon Bass (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2745)' agent, Tony Dutt.

The Mavericks' offer is believed to have been upgraded recently, perhaps to the $3.5 million per year neighborhood, while Bass wants something in the $5 million range.
"Brandon's still very interested in Dallas," Dutt said. "We're making headway. We're just not there yet."
<LI sizset="230" sizcache="0">One option for Bass is the Detroit Pistons. Dutt told the Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20090707/SPORTS03/907070353/1051/Free%20agent%20Brandon%20Bass%20could%20be%20quite %20a%20catch) on Monday that the Pistons have inquired about Bass and there is mutual interest. "We see it as a great situation that we would like to explore at some time," Dutt said. "It's an organization that has the respect of players."

[G-Nob]

Well, according to the Detroit Free Press, Detroit is talking to Brandon Bass's agent. That would seem to imply that they think they might be losing McDyess to the Spurs!

Of course, this may just be their backup plan, and Bass would fit their remaining budget. Anyway, encouraging to see.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

NEGOTIATIONS: Getting closer, but no deal yet

Brandon Bass | Mavericks (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal)
The Dallas Morning News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/070709dnspomavslede.339127f.html) reports negotiations are ongoing between president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson and Brandon Bass (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2745)' agent, Tony Dutt.

The Mavericks' offer is believed to have been upgraded recently, perhaps to the $3.5 million per year neighborhood, while Bass wants something in the $5 million range.
"Brandon's still very interested in Dallas," Dutt said. "We're making headway. We're just not there yet."
<LI sizset="230" sizcache="0">One option for Bass is the Detroit Pistons. Dutt told the Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/article/20090707/SPORTS03/907070353/1051/Free%20agent%20Brandon%20Bass%20could%20be%20quite %20a%20catch) on Monday that the Pistons have inquired about Bass and there is mutual interest. "We see it as a great situation that we would like to explore at some time," Dutt said. "It's an organization that has the respect of players."


This is something Avery could push along in Detroit. Also, Avery hire might mean Dyess may not leave Detroit.

[Mr. Body]

"It's an organization that has the respect of players."

- a slam against Cuban's Mavs?

[benefactor]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15932397

The Detroit Pistons have passed on Avery Johnson in their search for a head coach after failing to agree to contract terms with the former Mavericks coach and current TV analyst, a person with knowledge of the situation told CBSSports.com.

Better for us from a McDyess perspective?

[loveforthegame]

Let's hope McDyess is making his decision soon.

I'm starting to believe we'll end up with Davis or Bass.

[Trimble87]

I really like Dice, I think he would fit well with the Spurs. But with the pickup of Haislip who provides the 3pt range we wanted with Sheed and Blair who provides the toughness and rebounding we have been lacking. Wouldnt another 7 footer(or close to it) who can rebound, play post D and block shots be a better fit for us? Im not sure if these guys have reported making agreements yet... but Zaza Gortat or Anderson would be ideal imo. Particularly Anderson if we could somehow get him away from Denver.

[Muser]

Let's hope McDyess is making his decision soon.

I'm starting to believe we'll end up with Davis or Bass.


I remember reading that he will make a choice soon, hopefully it's in silver and black :toast.

[DBMethos]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15932397

Better for us from a McDyess perspective?

I would hope so. :hungry:

[timvp]

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15932397

Better for us from a McDyess perspective?

Yeah, I think that's good news. AJ would have been a "win now" coach and Detroit would look a lot more like a championship contender.

Now we have to hope that Detroit targets some no name assistant coach. It seems like McDyess didn't like Curry last season so it's doubtful that he'll want to go through another season with a coach who may or may not know what he's doing.

[crc21209]

Yeah, I think that's good news. AJ would have been a "win now" coach and Detroit would look a lot more like a championship contender.

Now we have to hope that Detroit targets some no name assistant coach. It seems like McDyess didn't like Curry last season so it's doubtful that he'll want to go through another season with a coach who may or may not know what he's doing.

AJ not going to Detroit may have have just sealed McDyess to SA, hopefully!

[scottspurs]

Yeah, I think that's good news. AJ would have been a "win now" coach and Detroit would look a lot more like a championship contender.

Now we have to hope that Detroit targets some no name assistant coach. It seems like McDyess didn't like Curry last season so it's doubtful that he'll want to go through another season with a coach who may or may not know what he's doing.

Coach Bud?

[Blackjack]

we all assume the Spurs are currently focusing on McDyess, but I'm not 100% sure the plan A to bring in the missing big isn't still a trade.
the signing of Haislip for reportedly the LLE has pushed the Spurs over the threshold and adding 3 minimum contracts (Blair, Gist, McClinton?) will get them to +2-3 million over the threshold.
so signing McDyess for the MLE will cost them as much as 11 million per.
ok, we learned that they are willing to pay tax this year, but this are still the Spurs and it also doesn't take a rockets scientist to figure out that a trade of Bonner and Finley (or Mason) for a quality big might be cheaper AND might result in a better roster overall.
if the Spurs sign McDyess and with the addition of Haislip (and also Blair), Bonner will turn into dead meat. and it also might me more effective to get rid of Finley and therefore sign Bruce (to keep a "system" veteran guy).
I'm also pretty sure the signing of Haislip wasn't without intention to make Bonner even more expendable.

:tu

I think it's easy to get locked in on the free-agents available and assume that's how the Spurs will fill their needs, but I agree with your cap assessment, and the fact that Bonner seems to be losing favor by the day.

I'm sure McDyess would be a welcome addition for the Spurs but I'm also pretty sure this is Peter Holt; not Peter Schneider Steinbrenner.

Packaging the likes of Bonner, Finley, and/or Mason might net the Spurs a player that fills more of a need in taking defensive pressure off of Tim, and get's the teams luxury-cap to a much more reasonable number.

I doubt it would be Camby with the move of Randolph but I assume they've got a less sexy name targeted.

Of course, their offer might not be good enough for what they want, so they might end up with 'Dyess and be just fine with that. They could also end up making a reach and paying a little more for a lesser free-agent, feeling they have to gamble a bit on someone who has the potential to help win in the short-term. Maybe someone like Bass who's only 24 and has shown some potential and a bit more of a ceiling. Maybe he's a guy, although deemed with plenty of flaws, is poised for one of those breakout/breakthrough years?

Bass, or someone of that ilk, would ideally be plan C or D at this point, but 'Dyess could very well be only plan B..
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Having said all that, with the Pistons looking like they might not get Avery or someone that's proven in the league, combined with the peceived interest Detroit has in a long-term prospect like Bass, 'Dyess just might have an easier decision to leave..

[timvp]

Using those figures and using the current salary cap, that would give the Pistons over $5.1 million left to use on another free agent. Even if you took the high salaries that have been reported for both Gordon and Villanueva, the Pistons would still have around $4.4 million in cap space left if the Salary cap is at least as high as it was last season.

http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/07/detroit_pistons_target_mcdyess.html


Relatively interesting breakdown of how much the Pistons could have to sign McDyess. I guess we should hope that salary cap comes in low so that they don't have as much.

[Bruno]

Blair, Bonner and Haislip are PF strictly. McDyess is way more a PF than a C.

Spurs will have at the C spot, Duncan and Mahinmi. Mahinmi is a huge question mark and could end up as a bust.

So even if Spurs get McDyess, I can see them making a trade to get a center with Bonner being likely traded.

[Bruno]

Relatively interesting breakdown of how much the Pistons could have to sign McDyess. I guess we should hope that salary cap comes in low so that they don't have as much.

I think that their numbers are wrong. Oberto cost $1.9M against the cap and Maxiell salary is $5M. They have also forgotten to add a roster charge of about $450K.
If CV signs for $40M and Gordon for $55M, Detroit team salary will be $55.6M.

[DPG21920]

Makes sense, we will just have to see. Nothing, including trades, will happen until at least the 8th though. I guess depending on who they snag during FA will dictate how long they wait to pursue a trade.

If they get a McDyess, it gives them some more time to evaluate Ian and such and they can wait until the deadline to make a trade. If they get another ?, they will probably look to trade sooner.

[z0sa]

Blair, Bonner and Haislip are PF strictly. McDyess is way more a PF than a C.

Spurs will have at the C spot, Duncan and Mahinmi. Mahinmi is a huge question mark and could end up as a bust.

So even if Spurs get McDyess, I can see them making a trade to get a center with Bonner being likely traded.

:depressed

It's too bad for Bonner we are severely lacking at C.

[Spursmania]

AJ not going to Detroit may have have just sealed McDyess to SA, hopefully!


Hopefully, the little General has helped us out.:toast

[Brazil]

Blair, Bonner and Haislip are PF strictly. McDyess is way more a PF than a C.

Spurs will have at the C spot, Duncan and Mahinmi. Mahinmi is a huge question mark and could end up as a bust.

So even if Spurs get McDyess, I can see them making a trade to get a center with Bonner being likely traded.

:depressed every time I'm seeing Bruno posting I jump on the thread to check if he has a first hand info :lol For my mental health Spurs FO must put an end to this torture

[scottspurs]

Blair, Bonner and Haislip are PF strictly. McDyess is way more a PF than a C.

Spurs will have at the C spot, Duncan and Mahinmi. Mahinmi is a huge question mark and could end up as a bust.

So even if Spurs get McDyess, I can see them making a trade to get a center with Bonner being likely traded.

I think the FO is going to gamble and give Ian a try. I don't think they want to completely fill the C position, unless it's for one year. I believe that would jeopardize Splitter coming over next year. Thats if the FO is confident he will come over, but it is nice to have the Finley, Mason, Bonner, and Rookie contract trade assets at our disposal.

[Bruno]

:depressed every time I'm seeing Bruno posting I jump on the thread to check if he has a first hand info :lol For my mental health Spurs FO must put an end to this torture

Sorry to disappoint you. :downspin:

[Blackjack]

Blair, Bonner and Haislip are PF strictly. McDyess is way more a PF than a C.

Spurs will have at the C spot, Duncan and Mahinmi. Mahinmi is a huge question mark and could end up as a bust.

So even if Spurs get McDyess, I can see them making a trade to get a center with Bonner being likely traded.

I agree, but they may have a targeted a 4/5 that they feel is a higher priority. Adding another 4-type on the cheap, if they deem necessary, would probably be much easier to do.

I'm actually starting to think 'Dyess just might come to S.A., in part because I've just never believed he would:lol, but I'm just wondering how exactly the Spurs will make a trade (which I feel they'll do one way or another) to massage the cap to a more reasonable number,

[mountainballer]

I doubt it would be Camby with the move of Randolph but I assume they've got a less sexy name targeted.


yeah, I also thought Camby, but you are right, currently the Clippers have less reason to trade him to us, than at deadline when the trade failed.
Foster would be such a less sexy name, but still a good idea. (ignoring that he likely isn't even on the block and it would also take the addition of some teaser like George Hill.........hm, maybe not that bad an idea to trade a guy from Indianapolis to the Pacers and get back a guy from San Antonio for the Spurs...just saying)

I wonder why Pachulia isn't mentioned at all. if Spurs focus on a pure Center, he might be the best left. Spurs tried to get this kind of big bangers and space eaters in the past (Przybilla). reportedly the Hawks have offered him a contract, but no word about how much. he is looking for MLE.

[Brazil]

Sorry to disappoint you. :downspin:

From now on post only if you have a scoop please.

Thanks in advance :rollin

[timvp]

Dumars told the Detroit News: "Where we are right now as a team is kind of like where we were at the start of the Rick Carlisle era. And a $4 [million] to $5 million [per year] coach is not what we need right now. We didn't have one of those until we were close to contending for a championship when we got Larry [Brown]."

Come on, Dice, Dumars just admitted the Pistons aren't a championship contender. They are going to go with another rookie coach after not being able to land AJ. You don't want to be in a rebuilding project. Come to San Antonio.

:hungry: :hungry:

[tp2021]

Come on, Dice, Dumars just admitted the Pistons aren't a championship contender. They are going to go with another rookie coach after not being able to land AJ. You don't want to be in a rebuilding project. Come to San Antonio.

:hungry: :hungry:

It's almost like Joe is telling Dice to get his ring elsewhere. He is being a man and setting his loyal player free.

[DBMethos]

I want something to happen, soon! My work productivity has gone down the toilet these last 2 weeks!

[timvp]

As far as I can tell, Kuester has never coached McDyess.

Going with a rookie coach with no connection to McDyess is great news for the Spurs' chances of land him. I was pretty damn sure McDyess was going to re-sign with the Pistons but now that the Pistons seem to be bringing in a rookie coach who is being told to work with the offense and the young players, the Spurs' chances got a lot better.

I would say that the chances of landing McDyess went from about 20% to 40% following this news. (Assuming the Spurs are interested and offering the MLE for two years.)

[picnroll]

Why in the world would Dumars even ask McDyess back if he cared at all about him.

"Antonio you've been a good soldier so would you come babbysit a few kids for a couple of years for a few million less than you could make somewhere else where, by the way, maybe you could finally get a ring?"

[buttsR4rebounding]

I want something to happen, soon! My work productivity has gone down the toilet these last 2 weeks!

That's okay if you are a plumber...:jekka

[DPG21920]

I guess the question for McDyess is can he handle the role the Spurs need him in? He did not want to start in Detroit and he would be asked to play a major role in SA.

[completely deck]

Bruno, timvp.. Give me a percentage of McDyess wearing a Spurs uniform at the start of the season.

[hater]

Obviously Detroit is not even close to be a contender next season. I don't think it takes Dumars to say that or get a young coach for Dice to realize this.

I think Dice has made up his mind. Nothing that happens between now and tomorrow will change his mind. I say 50% chance to stay in Detroit, 50% to go to another team probably Spurs

[Brazil]

As far as I can tell, Kuester has never coached McDyess.

Going with a rookie coach with no connection to McDyess is great news for the Spurs' chances of land him. I was pretty damn sure McDyess was going to re-sign with the Pistons but now that the Pistons seem to be bringing in a rookie coach who is being told to work with the offense and the young players, the Spurs' chances got a lot better.

I would say that the chances of landing McDyess went from about 20% to 40% following this news. (Assuming the Spurs are interested and offering the MLE for two years.)

[timvp]

Why in the world would Dumars even ask McDyess back if he cared at all about him.
That was my thought after this turn of events. What good would McDyess even do in Detroit at this point? They are rebuilding around their offensive youngsters and they aren't even contemplating a championship. If you are Dumars, I don't even see the point of using your remaining cap room on McDyess.

If McDyess still ends up staying, loyalty would have trumped everything else and the Spurs had no shot to begin with. If the Pistons signing a young power forward, going with a rookie coach, going with an offensive coach and Dumars admitting that the team isn't a championship contender can't convince McDyess to leave, he was never going to leave in the first place.

[MaNu4Tres]

Best case scenario:

Spurs sign McDyess for the MLE. Spurs get Bowen to come back as a player/ tutor role ala Lindsey Hunter for the minimum . Clippers fall to 20 games out of the 8th seed in late January. We offer Finley/ Bonner/ Williams and a 1st for Camby. Then Hairston/ Williams/ Gists or someone else from Summer League/ Training Camp/ or Toros earns a significant role to take Finley's minutes at the back up SF spot only if Bowen doesn't come back.
Or even if he does come back having Hairston or one of those players show significant improvements in their game would be a plus.


That would leave us with:

Parker/ Hill
Mason/ Manu / (*McClinton)
RJ/ (* Hairston/Williams/ Gist/) or resign Bowen for the minumum
Duncan/ Blair/ Haislip
Camby/ McDyess/ Mahimni

[tp2021]

We offer Finley/ Bonner and a 1st for Camby.

That trade doesn't work salary-wise.

And I would hope these two get traded in the offseason.

[MaNu4Tres]

That trade doesn't work salary-wise.

And I would hope these two get traded in the offseason.

Include Williams and its successful.

[kbrury]

I hope we trade for something this off season, Id rather have a spot go to Hairston rather then Williams.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I don't believe the news about Avery not coming to Detroit will have any effect one way or another in Dice's decision. Nor will our limited cap space or the fact that we're a team in a re-building mode. He's not motivated by a big payday. If all we had was 1.5M to offer him, I don't think that would be cause for him to go elsewhere. His motivation is not about money. Nor is it about a ring. As much as he wants one, he's said he won't be a Karl Malone or Gary Payton chasing a ring in his latter years. He's resigned himself to the belief that he had his chance to get a Championship, but wasn't able to get it done. If the Spurs can sell to him that he and his family will be happy in SA, he'll go there. But it won't primarily be about the $$ or the ring. How he interprets 'happy' and 'comfortable' is anyone's guess.

Personaly, I'm hoping you all get him. We don't need him. We're going with a youth movement, looking to write a new chapter. I'd rather get Bass. And more than anything, I'd love to see Duncan hand him the trophy. There's no one in the entire league I'd rather see win a ring than Antonio. The man is one of a kind and deserves it.

[MaNu4Tres]

I hope we trade for something this off season, Id rather have a spot go to Hairston rather then Williams.

The only realistic trade I can think would make us BETTER is a trade for Camby. And for some crazy reason I think Clippers actually believe they can make a playoff run therefore, with their trade for Randolph happening freeing up time for Camby, it won't be as easy to get him right now. We might have to wait til January to get him for just expirings and a 1st.

[biziofromdowntown]

I don't believe the news about Avery not coming to Detroit will have any effect one way or another in Dice's decision. Nor will our limited cap space or the fact that we're a team in a re-building mode. He's not motivated by a big payday. If all we had was 1.5M to offer him, I don't think that would be cause for him to go elsewhere. His motivation is not about money. Nor is it about a ring. As much as he wants one, he's said he won't be a Karl Malone or Gary Payton chasing a ring in his latter years. He's resigned himself to the belief that he had his chance to get a Championship, but wasn't able to get it done. If the Spurs can sell to him that he and his family will be happy in SA, he'll go there. But it won't primarily be about the $$ or the ring. How he interprets 'happy' and 'comfortable' is anyone's guess.

Personaly, I'm hoping you all get him. We don't need him. We're going with a youth movement, looking to write a new chapter. I'd rather get Bass. And more than anything, I'd love to see Duncan hand him the trophy. There's no one in the entire league I'd rather see win a ring than Antonio. The man is one of a kind and deserves it.


As usual...great! :toast

[Brazil]

I don't believe the news about Avery not coming to Detroit will have any effect one way or another in Dice's decision. .

I agree but it can't hurt ! good post as usual

[Brazil]

didn't see posted, please remove if necessary

Detroit Pistons target McDyess, Bass as third free agent

Posted by Dave Dial (http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/about.html) July 07, 2009 11:22AM

The cap space that the Pistons will have left after signing Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva isn't know yet, but Joe Dumars has an idea on how much he will have to offer a third free agent to go along with his two bigger acquisitions.

July 7, Detroit Free Press: (http://www.freep.com/article/20090707/SPORTS03/907070353/1051/rss16) Although it may take time to play itself out, the Pistons would like to bring back power forward Antonio McDyess, an unrestricted free agent.
But with likely competition coming from more title-ready teams like Cleveland and San Antonio, the Pistons are looking at other options. And that could lead them to Mavericks power forward Brandon Bass, an unrestricted free agent. Bass' agent, Tony Dutt, said Monday the Pistons have inquired about his client, and there is mutual interest.
"We see it as a great situation that we would like to explore at some time," Dutt said. "It's an organization that has the respect of players."...
The Pistons will have $3 million to $5 million to spend on either McDyess, 34, or Bass. And despite last season's 39-43 record, the Pistons remain an attractive place for free agents. "I've known Joe for a long time, and things will be back the way they need to be sooner rather than later," Dutt said.

In free agency, the difference between a $3 million dollar starting salary and a $5 million dollar starting salary is huge. In a 5-year deal, with 8% raises, that's a difference of almost $12 million dollars.
Last season the salary cap was set at $58.68 million dollars, and many have predicted a free-fall in that number this summer. Although I've maintained if the cap does drop, it will be minimal (http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/02/league_memo_nba_salary_cap_may.html)(if at all). In fact, I expect a slight increase.
Saying that. let's use the old cap number of $58.68 million to figure out how much the Pistons will have to spend on a third free agent this summer. The signing of Ben Gordon has been reported from a 5-year $50 million dollar contract to a 5-year $55 million dollar contract, and Charlie Villanueva has been reported to have signed for the same amount of years but ranging from $35-$40 million dollars. Let's take the most reported numbers for now. That would be the $55 million for Gordon and the $35 million for Villanueva.
With those salaries, and 8% raises, that would be a starting salary of $9.48 million for Gordon and $6.1 million for Villanueva. That would put the Pistons cap number around $53.5 million.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DD2K/PistonsSalary-BG55-CV35sm.jpg (http://s142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DD2K/?action=view&current=PistonsSalary-BG55-CV35sm.jpg)
Using those figures and using the current salary cap, that would give the Pistons over $5.1 million left to use on another free agent. Even if you took the high salaries that have been reported for both Gordon and Villanueva, the Pistons would still have around $4.4 million in cap space left if the Salary cap is at least as high as it was last season.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DD2K/PistonsSalary-BG55-CV40sm.jpg (http://s142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DD2K/?action=view&current=PistonsSalary-BG55-CV40sm.jpg)
If Joe Dumars has $5.1 million to offer a third free agent, that could be a 5-year contract worth almost $30 million dollars. So, depending on what the salary cap is set at, Joe still has a lot to work with and could add another player to the Piston roster that could really help next season. Stay tuned...

[024]

bass really just makes more sense for detroit.

[Sense]

Well at least we know the Spurs are after him...

[Vinnie_Johnson]

We love Dice would like him to go for a chance to win a ring. Please take him he won't win with us not anytime soon.

[DPG21920]

We love Dice would like him to go for a chance to win a ring. Please take him he won't win with us not anytime soon.

I really want Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/RJ to win another ring, please, take them! :lol

[rayray2k8]

We love Dice would like him to go for a chance to win a ring. Please take him he won't win with us not anytime soon.

Well aware of that..
But the decision is ultimately up to him.. I feel that his loyalty will keep him in Detroit.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Well aware of that..
But the decision is ultimately up to him.. I feel that his loyalty will keep him in Detroit.

Not sure what Dumars is selling him? Come on we can be the 7th seed if you come back.

[DPG21920]

Mentor Charile V and get money?

[timvp]

Brazil, I merged your thread in here because it was already posted in here and because Bruno had already debunked the writer's salary cap math. :)

[Pistons < Spurs]

I think that their numbers are wrong. Oberto cost $1.9M against the cap and Maxiell salary is $5M.

I actually messaged him about this:



Me: According to every other site I've looked at, Maxiell is due 5M, not 4.3M


Dave Dial: Yes, I've seen those numbers too. What's known is that Maxiell signed a 4-year $20 million dollar extension. What's not know is how the contract is structured. I don't know why Hoopshype(or the others) has the contract at $5 million each of the four years, that's not the way contracts are usually signed.

Contracts are usually signed with raises included in them. Being the Pistons had Maxiell's Bird Rights, I have him making $4.3, $4.8, $5.2 and $5.7 million the next 4 years. Which equals the $20 million. I don't see why Dumars would not have done it this way, because it allows him to have more cap space this summer. Which he knew that he wanted cap space in 2009 or 2010.

So until it's proven that Maxiell's contract is without raises and is just a straight $5 million each year, I'm keeping what I have. It's the usual way to structure contracts.

Makes sense.

[crc21209]

Will he hurry up and make a damn decision already! :lol

[Zarko's Ghost]

Free-agent buzz: McDyess eyes Spurs
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
Jul 6, 9:32 pm EDT


The San Antonio Spurs have emerged as the leader in the courtship of free-agent forward Antonio McDyess, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

San Antonio is one of three teams offering the full mid-level exception over two years, sources said. No deal is imminent, but it’s believed McDyess has offers from the Orlando Magic and possibly the Cleveland Cavaliers.

McDyess is considered one of the best unrestricted free agents on the market, and could complete a terrific offseason makeover for the Spurs as they retool for another championship run.

“He’s definitely been wrestling with this [decision],” one league executive said.

Detroit president Joe Dumars still wants to re-sign McDyess, but needs to clear more space to make a competitive offer.

McDyess, 34, averaged 9.6 points and 9.8 rebounds for the Pistons last season.

[Bruno]

I actually messaged him about this:

Makes sense.

Maxiell get his extension before the Billups trade, so cap space in 2009 wasn't a factor.

Shamsport has a $5M salary in 09/10. He doesn't makes guesses. If he said that it's a flat structure, it's because he learned it from a league source.
I'm at 99% sure it's $5M for Maxiell.

[Bruno]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.urlesque.com/media/2009/04/praying_kagura_pt__ii_by_photo_cap.jpg

Please Dice, choose SA.

[Brazil]

Brazil, I merged your thread in here because it was already posted in here and because Bruno had already debunked the writer's salary cap math. :)

ok no problem, thx timvp. Bruno is clearer regarding cap math than any other sources anyway.

[Spursmania]

http://www.guzer.com/pictures/pretty_please_cat.jpg
Come on Dice, your on your last set of wheels. Go for it dude!

[lefty]

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w18/img.215953_t.jpg

[Gino2882]

Looks like in the very least we will have a decision soon.

Would be just dandy if he signs with the Spurs. The roster really really shapes up if McDyess signs.

[Ariel]

Maxiell get his extension before the Billups trade, so cap space in 2009 wasn't a factor.

Shamsport has a $5M salary in 09/10. He doesn't makes guesses. If he said that it's a flat structure, it's because he learned it from a league source.
I'm at 99% sure it's $5M for Maxiell.
Shamsports is a site created by a regular Bulls fan from England who used to post on basketballboards.net and realgm.com under the nicks ShamBulls / Sham. He´s not an insider.

[Bruno]

Shamsports is a site created by a regular Bulls fan from England who used to post on basketballboards.net and realgm.com. He´s not an insider.

I know who is Sham.
He has direct and/or indirect contacts with league sources that gives him contracts infos.

[lurker23]

Shamsports is a site created by a regular Bulls fan from England who used to post on basketballboards.net and realgm.com under the nicks ShamBulls / Sham. He´s not an insider.

I've exchanged some emails with Mark (the owner of ShamSports) in the past, and he has his sources; if it's reasonable to get the actual structure of the contract, he'll get it. That's not to say his site is 100% flaw-free, but it's better than the rest.

[lurker23]

Reguardless the only way you get information from the Spurs side is if you are an agent of a player the front office is talking about, or a player on the roster the Spurs are talking about.

My sources are ussually first, second or third hand. Anything beyond that with the Spurs gets lost in translation like a game of telephone.

True, though agents are often very willing to reveal the specs of a deal they have negotiated, particularly if it has some nice details that reflect well on the agent.

[quentin_compson]

I wonder how people could think that Detroit could be a CONTENDER next year, regardless of Dice or no Dice. OK, even if they got Boozer for Hamilton in some kind of a trade, that still wouldn't make them a contender in my opinion.

Anyway, I just hope that McDyess will take us over a rebuilding Pistons team.

[timvp]

I wonder how people could think that Detroit could be a CONTENDER next year, regardless of Dice or no Dice. OK, even if they got Boozer for Hamilton in some kind of a trade, that still wouldn't make them a contender in my opinion.

Anyway, I just hope that McDyess will take us over a rebuilding Pistons team.

Earlier today, Joe Dumars admitted the Pistons aren't championship contenders right now.

[NewJerSpur]

Earlier today, Joe Dumars admitted the Pistons aren't championship contenders right now.

Wonder how long before Tayshaun is a Spur?

[quentin_compson]

Earlier today, Joe Dumars admitted the Pistons aren't championship contenders right now.

Sorry, I hadn't seen that.
Well, since Boston is packed with veteran players and I don't see any other team with a desire as bad as we have for a guy like Dice, let's just hope things go our way.

[montgod]

Well, Bonner+Mason+Finley should get us Prince. The only way I do that deal is if we can get Mason back after a buyout.

Sorry, that won't happen. Prince or Nocioni wouldn't be traded for with RJ as the starting SF. It would be nice though.

[MarHill]

That is how David Aldrige gets his information. Even he has admitted that he has a hard time getting Spurs information.

The Spurs like the Patriots keep everything close to the vest!!!

That is the real usage for the term "CIA Pop!!"

[MarHill]

I am interested in Prince, but he would not be my first option. I have looked at the deal and I was just stating the facts for somone asking a question.

I disagree.

RJ is more explosive than Tayshun or Nocioni.

The Spurs got the right guy to fill the SF spot.

[NewJerSpur]

I brought up the Prince discussion for the possible/forseeable future (after Jefferson), not necessarily this season, though his defense on the wing would be nice going into the season. If Phila's trade scenario worked out and we'd get Mason back I'd pull the trigger.

[objective]

I haven't seen these numbers posted anywhere, so I apologize in advance if I'm mistaken.

He came off the bench a large chunk of the season when the Pistons were trying to forcefeed Amir Johnson the starting role, and when they weren't doing that they went small to placate AI and Rip and started Tayshaun at the 4. They finally gave up and started McDyess about the last 30 games (the final regular season game I think he was given the night off to rest).

As a starter McDyess averaged:

34.9 minutes 12.1 points (.514%) 11.0 rebounds 1.2 blocks

As a sub :

25.6 minutes 7.3 points (.505) 8.5 rebounds 0.5 blocks

[quentin_compson]

Man, Tayshaun in silver and black has been a wet dream for quite some time. But right now, with RJ, this isn't really the position which we need help for. Just get Dice, and I for one will be a very happy man.

[timvp]

I haven't seen these numbers posted anywhere, so I apologize in advance if I'm mistaken.

He came off the bench a large chunk of the season when the Pistons were trying to forcefeed Amir Johnson the starting role, and when they weren't doing that they went small to placate AI and Rip and started Tayshaun at the 4. They finally gave up and started McDyess about the last 30 games (the final regular season game I think he was given the night off to rest).

As a starter McDyess averaged:

34.9 minutes 12.1 points (.514%) 11.0 rebounds 1.2 blocks

As a sub :

25.6 minutes 7.3 points (.505) 8.5 rebounds 0.5 blocksYeah, that's nice to see. The Spurs won't need him to play that much but at least it appears as if he has a lot left in the tank.

When McDyess started at center, he averaged 16 points, 15.2 rebounds and 1.4 blocks.

:wakeup

[Spursfan092120]

Yeah, that's nice to see. The Spurs won't need him to play that much but at least it appears as if he has a lot left in the tank.

When McDyess started at center, he averaged 16 points, 15.2 rebounds and 1.4 blocks.

:wakeup
they better be startin his ass...

[MarHill]

Yeah, that's nice to see. The Spurs won't need him to play that much but at least it appears as if he has a lot left in the tank.

When McDyess started at center, he averaged 16 points, 15.2 rebounds and 1.4 blocks.

:wakeup

Timvp,

I didn't know McDyess played some C in Detroit. Those are nice stats. If we can get 10 & 8 with a block shot a game from him would help TD tremendously!!

[poeticism707]

Timvp,

I didn't know McDyess played some C in Detroit. Those are nice stats. If we can get 10 & 8 with a block shot a game from him would help TD tremendously!!

Not to mention guarding the other team's best big!

Tim hasn't been able to play help defense like that since...2003.

This combined with Pop limiting his minutes, should help Duncan's offense as well.

[romsho]

Listened to Chuck Miketinac on ESPN 1250 tonight. He said the Spurs were more interested in Davis and Bass than McDyess. Not sure what's true or not, but being local, I'm more apt to believe Chuck.

That is not even close to what he said...this kind of shit is why those in the business- athletes, agents, front office people, media types...think these message boards are full of crap. Actually there is alot of great information, especially in here, but the trick is wading through all the douchebags who throw non-credible info out there as fact. Nice try though.

[Blackjack]

Get To Know Your New Spurs #3: San Antonio McDyess

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/7/9/943443/get-to-know-your-new-spurs-3-san

[timvp]

Get To Know Your New Spurs #3: San Antonio McDyess

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2009/7/9/943443/get-to-know-your-new-spurs-3-san

I scrolled to the end, saw Sean Elliot and then my chode exploded.

[Thompson]

That fills me in on McDyess; I didn't know all that much about him. He seems like a really good guy, I hope we help him win at least one ring.

[Blackjack]

I scrolled to the end, saw Sean Elliot and then my chode exploded.


Hopefully you're able to salvage your monitor.:lol

[poeticism707]

That fills me in on McDyess; I didn't know all that much about him. He seems like a really good guy, I hope we help him win at least one ring.
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