Clearly Missed Horry and Barry This Post Season

[davi78239]

Remember these guys? They always played an important part in our playoff runs and man we could of really used them. Of course they didn't get any younger so it wouldn't of mattered anyway. Just sayin.......Memories and how things sure change.

[jag]

Remember these guys? They always played an important part in our playoff runs and man we could of really used them. Of course they didn't get any younger so it wouldn't of mattered anyway. Just sayin.......Memories and how things sure change.

4-1 would still be 4-1

[spursbird]

4-1 would still be 4-1
With them, maybe 4-0. They're not Mutombo.

[exstatic]

Remember these guys? They always played an important part in our playoff runs and man we could of really used them. Of course they didn't get any younger so it wouldn't of mattered anyway. Just sayin.......Memories and how things sure change.

You didn't watch the 2008 playoffs, did you? They were both pretty much as "fork stuck" as Finley is right now.

[tomtom]

yeah horry was done last year he wouldnt have helped a bit. barry really struggled this year so he wouldnt have done much either methinks

[Sean Cagney]

Horry was done, Barry has sucked this year pretty much and is near done IMO. They would not have helped much this year, although Horry would hit a few threes and been ALOT better than Bonner IMO on D even in his old age. I think we win two with both of them at the most, thats if Barry gets hot and Horry plays his D.

[holcs50]

Horry was done for sure-barry on the other hand I have a very confident feeling all those 3's finley,bonner,mason,udoka missed that barry would've made some of those. He had some big games in the playoffs when pop finally played him last year especially the one agains the lakers. Barry in the right situation is the most reliable 3 shooter ive seen on the spurs in awhile. He doesn't choke like everyone on this years playoff team does.

[whottt]

Horry was a huge reason we got past the Hornets...more than Finley and Thomas were.


And anyone that would describe Barry's performance against the Lakers as "done" obvious didn't watch that series.


Get fucking real...


Pop was going to play Finley and Thomas over them...period...in fact Pop had played Finley and whoever over them, stupidly, since the 2005 title, and we have pretty much been a bitch since then, we just got lucky the Warriors cleared the path for us in 2007 and no serious challengers got in our way.

Let me spell it out for you...Michael Finley and Kurt Thomas are let down players...did anyone really think we were going to win a title relying heavily on these fucking dudes? Because you obviously didn't watch the majority of their playing careers if you believed that.


Let down guys...I saw it coming a mile off and bitched about it accordingly.


You have to be real stupid to make the claim that Barry looked done against LA last year.


Anyone that's jocked Finley and Thomas needs to shut the fuck up and stop operating under the delusion that they understand what wins championships...because it's dman sure not those two cocksuking players....

Ever.

Healthy or not.

[completely deck]

Clearly you didn't watch a game. Unless you know of any players to replace Manu's points, slashing, and the ability to find the open guy, you ain't got shit. This run proved that.

[EricB]

Yeah the Spurs really missed those 35 games missed by Barry.

[whottt]

Finley plays for the Mavs = Mavs are our bitch
Finley leaves Mavs comes here = we are the bitch

The Mavs are not a great team, they weren't a great team in 06, they were a choking bitch, just not as much of one as we were where htey were concerned. They aren't a great team this year either. In fact they suck and are an extremely poor horribly put together team.

It's not them...it's us.

We've been a bitch since the day Finley joined this team, and his signing killed our Dynasty.

Mark Cuban fucking owned us and that 15 mil he was paying Finley to defeat us was well spent...once he got Findog on the right team to where he could do the most damage.

Cuban > Us for realizing his team would be better once Finley was off of it.


I betcha he considers that entire ordeal, waiving Finley while still paying him 15 mil a year and Fin signing with us..a complete and total win, because he's done nothing but that as far as we are concerned since the day it happened.

Cuban'd do it again 20 times out of 20 if the same situation arose. Because it has been nothing but a Spur killing win for him.



We should all give thanks to Don Nelson, because he's the reason we won the 07 title...our heart was already gone by then and it was just extreme good fortune and sheer intertia from a decade of experience and success that carried us through to the 07 title...we've been a soft cracking bitch of team since the day Michael Finley joined this team.

The worst signing in team history.


If I were to list the greatest Spur killers in team history the list would look something like this:

1-10: Michael Finley

[whottt]

Yeah the Spurs really missed those 35 games missed by Barry.
Yeah...you don't know shit...if I had a dollar for every soft choking bitch you virtually sucked off...I could fucking retire.


STFU
Rasho
Hedo
Beno
Finley



Etc...until I just want to puke on you.

And still you talk your shit as if you've ever been right.


Just sitck your "yeah" stupid bullshit back up yoru ass from whence it came until you are actually right about something for once.

[whottt]

And Manu is not an excuse for losing to the Mavs either...losing Duncan wouldn't be an excuse for losing to the Mavs. This is worst than the Mav team that got bounced in the first round by the Warriors....for half the season they didn't even look like they'd make the playoffs.

Pretty much the worst post season loss in the history of this team...

Thank you Findog, for turning us into the fucking Mavs.

[itzsoweezee]

Scola still better

[afireinside20]

This a pretty shitty and useless thread, much like Horry and Barry :p:

[Sean Cagney]

Finley plays for the Mavs = Mavs are our bitch
Finley leaves Mavs comes here = we are the bitch

The Mavs are not a great team, they weren't a great team in 06, they were a choking bitch, just not as much of one as we were where htey were concerned. They aren't a great team this year either. In fact they suck and are an extremely poor horribly put together team.

It's not them...it's us.

We've been a bitch since the day Finley joined this team, and his signing killed our Dynasty.

Mark Cuban fucking owned us and that 15 mil he was paying Finley to defeat us was well spent...once he got Findog on the right team to where he could do the most damage.

Cuban > Us for realizing his team would be better once Finley was off of it.


I betcha he considers that entire ordeal, waiving Finley while still paying him 15 mil a year and Fin signing with us..a complete and total win, because he's done nothing but that as far as we are concerned since the day it happened.

Cuban'd do it again 20 times out of 20 if the same situation arose. Because it has been nothing but a Spur killing win for him.



We should all give thanks to Don Nelson, because he's the reason we won the 07 title...our heart was already gone by then and it was just extreme good fortune and sheer intertia from a decade of experience and success that carried us through to the 07 title...we've been a soft cracking bitch of team since the day Michael Finley joined this team.

The worst signing in team history.


If I were to list the greatest Spur killers in team history the list would look something like this:

1-10: Michael FinleyLOL U Mad man? We could have beaten anyone in 07, Dallas included, we went 7 in 06 yes but that could have gone either way due to some b.s. calls! That series was horrible called, they won in 7 in OT, why could we not win in 07?

[Horry For 3!]

:lobt:

[intlspurshk]

IT'S because the SPURS keep too many old guys for the plights as of today. They should have traded off all these old guys in 2 seasons ago and develop some young players

[spursfan1000]

I don't know about Horry because he looked like shit last year but Barry did great for us last year heping us in the playoffs and esp. in the WCF.

[exstatic]

Nice cherry pick of one good 2008 series out of three, whottt. Notice you're not mentioning those other two series where he averaged less than 4 points. Hmmm.

Barry's done. This season proved it.

[timvp]

The Spurs could have definitely used Horry of at least 2007 and Barry of last year versus the Lakers. Would they have beaten the Mavs? Probably not. Although Horry was 15-for-15 in getting out of the first round and perhaps that wasn't all luck . . .

Regarding Finley, whottt is being a little too harsh but I somewhat agree with the overall sentiment. I was iffy about the initial signing. This latest signing, I thought it was a colossal mistake. I thought that Pop would overplay him and then he'd disappoint in the playoffs ... or exactly what happened.

Now I'm to the point where I just want him off the team. Very high character player who has tried hard, but his presence on the team is extremely detrimental to the Spurs if they want to win a fifth championship ring. Pop overplays him and turns a blind-eye to Finley's horrible defense. Finley's offense is pretty helpful during the regular season but his type of all or nothing game doesn't mesh well with playoff basketball. Way too streaky offensively, way too bad at defense and just doesn't really have the winning killer attitude a veteran of his stature should have.

If he's not off the team by the beginning of next year, I'd say the Spurs have a 0% chance to win the championship.

[bdictjames]

Barry was more than a gunner; he was a playmaker as well. We could have used him. We don't have any playmakers outside of Timmy.

[timvp]

BTW, I was all for keeping Barry over Finley. But as it turned out, the correct move was letting both leave. Barry never recovered from the calf injury, which is the same injury that has forced just about every Barry into retirement.

[pad300]

I'm not quite in Whott's corner, but Pop the wrong decision keeping Finley over Barry, because he has a mancrush on Finley. Barry was much more productive per minute, and more efficient overall. He was also much more versatile (playing 1, 2, or 3, and able to handle coming off the bench, unlike Finley). Barry was more fragile, and could support less minutes (see his missed 35 games last year), but we didn't want our old men eating tons of minutes in the regular season -we wanted to develop the younger guys. What Pop should have done last season was release Vaughn and keep Barry as 3ed PG (this would have cost a little more). He should have released Finley and gotten Renaldo Balkman, who was traded for a TE (of which we had one of appropriate size from the Beno trade, which was expiring anyway, and would have saved a little money...). This season's team would have been much improved...

Horry on the other hand was and is done. KT was at least adequate when we had a decent matchup for him...

[Indazone]

BTW, I was all for keeping Barry over Finley. But as it turned out, the correct move was letting both leave. Barry never recovered from the calf injury, which is the same injury that has forced just about every Barry into retirement.

Barry is getting butt splinters over here in Houston.

[Cane]

Am I the only one thats glad the Spurs got a quick playoffs exit? No Ginobili and an aging, unhealthy Duncan points to more rest, the better.

Not to mention this should kick our organization's ass into gear and start making some legitimate personnel changes and get rid of Matt Bonehead Bonner.

[SenorSpur]

You didn't watch the 2008 playoffs, did you? They were both pretty much as "fork stuck" as Finley is right now.

:tu.

Anybody watching Barry's exploits during the playoffs? Exactly.

Neither Horry or Barry is "walking through that door". Nor should they.

The Spurs have moved on. Perhaps Spurs fans should too.

[spurster]

A 3-point sharpshooter coming off the bench was definitely missing this year.

1999 - Jaren Jackson (31-86)

2003 - Steven Jackson (38-113)

2005 - Robert Horry (38-85)

2007 - Michael Finley (44-105)

[Mel_13]

:tu.

Anybody watching Barry's exploits during the playoffs? Exactly.

Neither Horry or Barry is "walking through that door". Nor should they.

The Spurs have moved on. Perhaps Spurs fans should too.

:tu:tu

It is a simple truth that the Spurs cannot get younger unless they let older players leave at the end of their contracts.

Last year the Spurs had team decisions to make on 5 of the oldest players on their roster, Horry, Barry, Stoudamire, Finley, and KT. The first three were allowed to leave and replaced on the roster by players a decade or more younger. Finley and KT were retained on 2 yr deals. As to the Finley/Barry debate, hindsight says the best decision would have been to let them both walk. Finley was ineffective in the playoffs and Barry was injured again, had his worst statistical season in many years, and is behind Artest, Battier, Brooks, Wafer, and Lowry in the Rocket rotation.

This year, the Spurs have team decisions to make on 4 of their oldest players. Ime and JV are FAs and should be thanked for their efforts and be allowed to walk. The team has the ability to payoff Fab and Bruce for 50% of the value of their deals. They should do that and thank Fab for his efforts. Ime, Fab, and JV played the 10th, 11th, and 12th most minutes on the Spurs this season. They should be replaced with players that are, at least, younger than TP. Bruce played the 6th most minutes on the team and showed that he can still contribute in the playoffs. If he is willing to play for the vet min after receiving his payoff, then retain him. Then for the $2M the Spurs get from cutting Bruce, they get Bruce and a rookie.

As to Finley, one can only that Pop made clear to Fin that the Spurs were ready to make changes and that, if he exercises his option, his 2.5M dollar contract will be shopped as part of packages to improve the team. And that if he wants to retain control of where he plays next year he would be better served by becoming a FA.

[Flux451]

.we've been a soft cracking bitch of team since the day Michael Finley joined this team.

The worst signing in team history.


If I were to list the greatest Spur killers in team history the list would look something like this:

1-10: Michael Finley

You are what most people call a dumbass.
2007 Champions.

[Indazone]

Tell you guys what, we'll send Barry back to you and pick up Mensu Bonsu. Cool? :tu

[Agloco]

Tell you guys what, we'll send Barry back to you and pick up Mensu Bonsu. Cool? :tu

:lol