Free Agent: Marcin Gortat

[spurspokesman]

No, it's just the truth. If you can't have a discussion without getting sand in your vagina then don't bother to copy the points other people make and let them draw the fire.


Okay, then let's hear about why he's incapable of playing defense as well as the corpse of Rasho, Matt Bonner or a big Polish guy we've seen play for about three games. You're obviously ignoring his stats in favor of some vague impression you've divined. A source of this revelation would be fun for all of us.


Evidence of that, please. Since you state it like it's a fact then it should be really easy to back up.


Again, I'm waiting for evidence that Gooden's ever been a locker-room cancer, has put his own stats above team success, has been the sole reason a team went from being decent to being terrible, whines about his contract or calls a timeout so he can get a triple double. The worst thing I can say about him during his time as a Spur is that he tried too hard to score, which isn't really a sin given this coach and the offensive talent they rolled out alongside him.

If nothing else, I'd be satisfied if you could list the 12 point, 8 rebound, 1 block per game bigs the Spurs have available to sign that have playoff experience and have stated publicly that they want to be in San Antonio long-term.
:toast He will get better on D. With him we wont have a dropoff in post production. I say they sign him and get A cheap banger for spot minutes and hope mahinmi is worth the jersey he'll be wearing.

[spurspokesman]

Gortat simply fits better for us..he plays very good 1 on 1 defense, and he blocks shots, so he's the whole defensive package we need down low..he played great defense against both Gasol and Bynum in the Finals..

we don't need another scorer down low, we need a guy that can play defense at this point..
He also finishes at the rim. He can get you A few points also. He also has damn good hands and will dunk the damn ball with authority. Quick at that to.

[Obstructed_View]

:toast He will get better on D. With him we wont have a dropoff in post production. I say they sign him and get A cheap banger for spot minutes and hope mahinmi is worth the jersey he'll be wearing.

You are aware I was talking about Gooden, yes? I think Gortat might be a perfect fit, but I'm not in any way convinced that he's any kind of step up from Drew for the same money, and he's going to be much trickier to acquire.

[Vic Petro]

Otis Smith already came out and said resigning Hedo is going to be next to impossible for them, so he is going to walk. As previously stated they traded away some frontcourt depth in Battie...I see Gortat staying in Orlando unless Sheed signs there.

[Mal]

There is a rumour thata Magic would go after Sheed and Bass. So if they get one of them, Spurs can offer 3mln to Gortat and sign him

[HarlemHeat37]

That's the positive..if Orlando gets 'Sheed, we have a great chance at Gortat..

[ffadicted]

Orlando getting Sheed after Carter's big contract when they already have Dwight and Lewis = :lol

[Mel_13]

Orlando getting Sheed after Carter's big contract when they already have Dwight and Lewis = :lol

Don't laugh

As of today:

Spurs for 9 players including Finley: 71.2M
Spurs for 8 players w/o Finley:68.7M

Orlando after VC trade, 8 players: 68.5M

Orlando is coming off a run to the Finals with all the extra revenue that brings and they move into a new downtown arena in 2010.

They are every bit as capable as the Spurs are to offer Sheed the full MLE.

[CGD]

Don't laugh

As of today:

Spurs for 9 players including Finley: 71.2M
Spurs for 8 players w/o Finley:68.7M

Orlando after VC trade, 8 players: 68.5M

Orlando is coming off a run to the Finals with all the extra revenue that brings and they move into a new downtown arena in 2010.

They are every bit as capable as the Spurs are to offer Sheed the full MLE.


Does that Magic 8 assume Hedo and Gortat resigning?

If not, then assuming they pay for Hedo that figure will certainly exceed out 71.2M.

[HarlemHeat37]

The rumor is that they got Vince because Hedo wanted too much $ and they weren't willing to pay that much..so especially with the trade, it looks like Hedo won't be playing for Orlando this year..

Rasheed Wallace's decision comes down to preference, not $..

[coyotes_geek]

I don't think Hedo's going back to Orlando. My guess is that Orlando is thinking they can get Sheed and keep Gortat for the same money they would have to spend on Hedo.

[Mel_13]

Does that Magic 8 assume Hedo and Gortat resigning?

If not, then assuming they pay for Hedo that figure will certainly exceed out 71.2M.


I believe that they have already decided to let Hedo walk and will only keep Gortat if they can't sign Wallace.

C-Howard
PF-Wallace
SF-Lewis
SG-Carter
PG-Nelson

[CGD]

Interesting update, thanks. I was not aware of the rumor. Last I read the Magic announced they where willing to go into Lux Tax territory to resign him. This could put a wrinkle in the plan, but I agree with Harlem's observation above about preference.

[Mel_13]

Interesting update, thanks. I was not aware of the rumor. Last I read the Magic announced they where willing to go into Lux Tax territory to resign him. This could put a wrinkle in the plan, but I agree with Harlem's observation above about preference.

I agree that Sheed's decision will be about his preferences, the money should be about the same. One factor that I think tips the scales in the Spurs favor is Pop. Sheed had great relationships with Dean Smith and Larry Brown. Pop comes from that coaching tree. If all other factors are close, I think Sheed would choose Pop over SVG.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I honestly think the Magic will end up missing out on all three of them.
I believe Wallace will sign with the Spurs, I don't think they will want to negotiate with Hedo the kind of contract he wants, and it is said that after Wallace they will go after Bass, and I think by that time, Gortat will have found another team who believes in him.

[Mel_13]

I honestly think the Magic will end up missing out on all three of them.
I believe Wallace will sign with the Spurs, I don't think they will want to negotiate with Hedo the kind of contract he wants, and it is said that after Wallace they will go after Bass, and I think by that time, Gortat will have found another team who believes in him.

Gortat is a RFA. If they swing and miss on Wallace, they can always match an offer sheet on Gortat.

[Obstructed_View]

I honestly think the Magic will end up missing out on all three of them.
I believe Wallace will sign with the Spurs, I don't think they will want to negotiate with Hedo the kind of contract he wants, and it is said that after Wallace they will go after Bass, and I think by that time, Gortat will have found another team who believes in him.

Gortat's restricted, so the Magic can wait until the very last minute to decide whether or not to match any offer he receives. That gives them the opportunity to negotiate with every free agent they choose during that time with no risk of losing Gortat.

On the other hand, any team that wants to make Gortat an offer ties up their money until Orlando either matches or doesn't, and they wouldn't match immediately under any circumstances I can think of.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Damn, could've sworn he was UFA.

[benefactor]

Don't they have 7 days to decide whether or not to match after Gortat signs an offer sheet?

Don't forget the Gortat could also head overseas for more cash if he so desired. I think he has already mentioned it.

[Obstructed_View]

Don't they have 7 days to decide whether or not to match after Gortat signs an offer sheet?

Don't forget the Gortat could also head overseas for more cash if he so desired. I think he has already mentioned it.

Yeah, they have seven days to match, but they can wait until there's one minute left in the seven days to do it, and the team that made the QO has their money tied up during the entire free-agent period while all the other free agents find new teams.

Gortat's got some chances to start in the NBA. If he pisses that away for a little more money overseas then he's not the player I thought he was anyway.

[ploto]

The rumor is that they got Vince because Hedo wanted too much $ and they weren't willing to pay that much..so especially with the trade, it looks like Hedo won't be playing for Orlando this year.

So they did not want to pay Hedo $10M so instead they are paying Carter $16M?

[kbrury]

Morey Kicks Off Free Agency With Gortat Tweet (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60227/20090701/morey_kicks_off_free_agency_with_gortat_tweet/)

Daryl Morey kicked off the 2010 free agency with a Tweet just minutes before midnight announcing that he is set to meet with Marcin Gortat. "Meeting in a few w/ Gortat," wrote the Rockets general manager. "Send a note to him NOW at [email protected]. He will receive. Show him how much we want him in Red!"

[NewJerSpur]

Dude's got to explore his options.

[yavozerb]

I hope the rockets throw a butt load of $ at this guy..Between Yao and a possible bust in Gortat, the rockets would be hurting for years..

[kbrury]

I could see him going to Houston with Yao being out.

[NewJerSpur]

I hope the rockets throw a butt load of $ at this guy..Between Yao and a possible bust in Gortat, the rockets would be hurting for years..

Despite their injury situations, the Rockets have done a great job in recent years of scouting guys who would/have fit their team and its system quite well.

[DynastyBuilder]

Morey making his pitch in person

http://my.nba.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5800027750

[robbie380]

I hope the rockets throw a butt load of $ at this guy..Between Yao and a possible bust in Gortat, the rockets would be hurting for years..

i dont think throwing 3-4 mil/year for a few years at a decent big man prospect, who can rebound and play d, will hurt our team for years.

[lurker23]

i dont think throwing 3-4 mil/year for a few years at a decent big man prospect, who can rebound and play d, will hurt our team for years.

True, but if you throw 5 years, $30 million at him, that contract can become an eyesore real fast.

[robbie380]

True, but if you throw 5 years, $30 million at him, that contract can become an eyesore real fast.

morey has never thrown a contract that long at a role player. i don't see him starting now. hell he was only willing to throw 1.75mil/year for 2 years at von wafer...but that could have also been because of the fact that wafer is a fucking bonehead who had to be sent to the locker room in a playoff game.

[lurker23]

morey has never thrown a contract that long at a role player. i don't see him starting now. hell he was only willing to throw 1.75mil/year for 2 years at von wafer...but that could have also been because of the fact that wafer is a fucking bonehead who had to be sent to the locker room in a playoff game.

For your sake and the Rockets sake, I would hope that you're right. The only thing I was going off of was the fact that Gortat looks to be the Rockets #1 target, and I have a feeling someone will offer him close to the full MLE, with at least 4 years on the deal. Will the Rockets match or exceed that? I guess we'll know soon enough.

[Obstructed_View]

True, but if you throw 5 years, $30 million at him, that contract can become an eyesore real fast.

The guy has double-double potential, and he gets blocks and steals. What are the other guys who do that in the NBA getting paid?

[Marcus Bryant]

A third Texas team, the San Antonio Spurs, also was making a play for the 6-foot-11 center from Poland who spent the past two seasons backing up Dwight Howard with the Magic. Other teams that have expressed interest include the Oklahoma City Thunder, Indiana Pacers, Cleveland Cavaliers and Atlanta Hawks, a league source told ESPN.com.

link (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/sports/pro/basketball&sa=NBA&eid=4299705)

[benefactor]

Not a bad idea. He is certainly not a bad backup option. We would probably have to make a move for one more big though.

[Spurs Brazil]

Committed? Gortat to tour Mavs' facilityComment Email Print Share By Marc Stein
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Restricted free-agent center Marcin Gortat was scheduled to fly to Dallas on Thursday after giving the Mavericks a verbal commitment to sign an offer sheet with them next week, according to NBA front-office sources.




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Sources told ESPN.com that the Mavericks are bringing Gortat to town to tour the area and the team's facilities after extending him an offer believed to be worth Dallas' full mid-level exception -- which could translate to a five-year deal starting at roughly $5.6 million -- in hopes of dissuading the Orlando Magic from matching the offer.

Gortat averaged just 3.8 points and 4.5 rebounds per game last season and 3.3 points and 3.2 rebounds during the Magic's run to the NBA Finals, but his opportunities in Orlando were limited behind All-Star center Dwight Howard.

Since free agency commenced at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, Gortat has received strong interest from the other two Texas teams (Houston and San Antonio) as well as Atlanta, Cleveland, Indiana and Oklahoma City, sources said.

Orlando will have seven days to match any offer sheet Gortat signs next Wednesday, which is the first day free agents are allowed to sign new contracts. The Magic have stressed their intent to match offers for the 6-foot-11 native of Poland but doing so would almost certainly send them well into luxury-tax territory.

Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303432

[loveforthegame]

Is it possible they're making such a push for him because they know Bass is leaving?

Either that or they have plans to ship Dampier out.

[EricB]

Them getting Gortat is not good at all....

[Spurs Brazil]

I don't like Gortat game so I'm happy to see the Mavs spending their whole MLE on him. It'll be Eschmeyer part II

[HarlemHeat37]

I like it for Dallas, but only if they make another move involving Dampier..

[coyotes_geek]

I think Gortat fits on Dallas better than he does on most teams. But damn, 5 years full MLE is a lot for that guy. Of course if Cuban thought Desagana Diop was worth 5 years full MLE, and that Jason Kidd is still worth $8 mil per, then I guess this shouldn't surprise me.

[benefactor]

I like it for Dallas, but only if they make another move involving Dampier..
Indeed. He is basically a better version of Dampier for a lot cheaper.

[benefactor]

Per Broussard on Sportscenter, the Spurs may have offered Gortat the MLE.

[mountainballer]

the bad news: if the Magic don't match, it's pretty sure that they will push even harder for either Sheed or McDyess and this can't be something we should be happy about.
but don't forget that the Magic just traded away Battie, they are very thin now up front. if they don't match, they risk to loose out on Sheed and McDyess, who might chose Boston, SA, Houston, Cleveland. and this players also would cost MLE (=same number in lux tax).
so I think they will swallow this contract and match. the risk not to do it is to big.

[benefactor]

Yeah...I don't like the timing of this either. I think Sheed needs to be the priority right now.

[JGrice02]

Per Broussard on Sportscenter, the Spurs may have offered Gortat the MLE.

The same Broussard that said Wallace would probably sign in San Antonio and that Ariza is going to leave the Lakers? Sorry, but he doesn't carry much cred in my mind. I doubt he knows much of anything about the Spurs intentions...

[HarlemHeat37]

It doesn't look like anybody knows what the Spurs are doing, as usual..Wallace isn't talking either..so they're just looking for any news to talk about right now..

[crc21209]

The same Broussard that said Wallace would probably sign in San Antonio and that Ariza is going to leave the Lakers? Sorry, but he doesn't carry much cred in my mind. I doubt he knows much of anything about the Spurs intentions...

Yeah he said the Spurs are not interested as much in Sheed as people may think and that the Spurs are targeting Gortat with the whole MLE instead.

[Mr. Body]

Every offseason it's always the same: teams overpay.

[benefactor]

I wouldn't hate getting Gortat...but I think a trade would need to be made to acquire at least one more decent big.

[timvp]

I wouldn't hate getting GortatHaven't you been the one pimping Gortat the last couple months?

[lefty]

\If he plays 30 minutes/game , Gortat can average 10 pts, 10rbds and 2 blocks :tu

[benefactor]

Haven't you been the one pimping Gortat the last couple months?
Indeed I have...but I am objective. If Sheed or McDyess are available you have to go that direction first. I stand by my stance that Gortat would fit well on this team.

[coyotes_geek]

Committed? Gortat to tour Mavs' facilityComment Email Print Share By Marc Stein
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Restricted free-agent center Marcin Gortat was scheduled to fly to Dallas on Thursday after giving the Mavericks a verbal commitment to sign an offer sheet with them next week, according to NBA front-office sources.




NBA Rumor Central
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Sources told ESPN.com that the Mavericks are bringing Gortat to town to tour the area and the team's facilities after extending him an offer believed to be worth Dallas' full mid-level exception -- which could translate to a five-year deal starting at roughly $5.6 million -- in hopes of dissuading the Orlando Magic from matching the offer.

Gortat averaged just 3.8 points and 4.5 rebounds per game last season and 3.3 points and 3.2 rebounds during the Magic's run to the NBA Finals, but his opportunities in Orlando were limited behind All-Star center Dwight Howard.

Since free agency commenced at 12:01 a.m. Wednesday, Gortat has received strong interest from the other two Texas teams (Houston and San Antonio) as well as Atlanta, Cleveland, Indiana and Oklahoma City, sources said.

Orlando will have seven days to match any offer sheet Gortat signs next Wednesday, which is the first day free agents are allowed to sign new contracts. The Magic have stressed their intent to match offers for the 6-foot-11 native of Poland but doing so would almost certainly send them well into luxury-tax territory.

Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4303432

This article has been updated and now says Gortat committed.

Restricted free-agent center Marcin Gortat was scheduled to fly to Dallas on Thursday after giving the Mavericks a verbal commitment to sign an offer sheet with them next week, according to NBA front-office sources.

[crc21209]

This article has been updated and now says Gortat committed.

Restricted free-agent center Marcin Gortat was scheduled to fly to Dallas on Thursday after giving the Mavericks a verbal commitment to sign an offer sheet with them next week, according to NBA front-office sources.


I saw that too. Look on realgm and it says Gortat has commited to Dallas now and has the link to that espn story. Hopefully this is true so it opens up the door for Sheed to SA :tu

[benefactor]

Sounds like left hand and right hand are not on the same page at good ole BSPN.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Scratch him off. More time to focus on McDyess/Wallace.

[saxman]

An oral commitment means nothing in the NBA (too many examples to list). He would need to sign an offer sheet first for it to mean anything. Besides, the Magic have the option to match (if luxury tax doesn't scare them off).

Gortat would be nice to have but I would prefer Antonio McDyess.

[CGD]

I really liked the idea of Gortat for the Spurs because of his defense and since we wouldn't really need him to provide interior scoring. But I don't know what to think of this move for Dallas (if it goes through). Looks like they just picked up Damp 2.0.

Dallas needs to shake things up if they really want to contend again (though I'm sure they'll find a way to make life hell for us anyway). They need to start by moving Howard. He has two years left on his deal, but the last ($12M) is a team option. In effect he's an expiring contract next summer and should be aggressively shopped accordingly.

[CGD]

An oral commitment means nothing in the NBA (too many examples to list). He would need to sign an offer sheet first for it to mean anything. Besides, the Magic have the option to match (if luxury tax doesn't scare them off).

Gortat would be nice to have but I would prefer Antonio McDyess.

Orlando probably would have matched a MLE/2yr offer, but I seriously doubt they'll match at 5yrs.

[BillMc]

For those who are interested in the Spurs going after Gortat looks like the Mavs are close to getting him.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/109110-mavs-close-to-adding-big-man?eref=fromSI

Mavs close to adding big man

Marcin Gortat, the 6-11 center who helped Orlando reach the NBA Finals last season, has been offered a contract by the Mavericks, multiple sources said Thursday. Gortat was expected to visit Dallas before the weekend, and the sources said that the only thing that would prevent him from becoming a Maverick is if the Magic match the offer, which is believed to be for the full mid-level exception -- about $5.5 million.

Dallas Morning News

[Big P]

Good. Another bust at the C position for them. GJ cuban. Thats IF the Magic dont match.

[EmantheSpursFan]

old news, sorry....

[Tully365]

That's a lot of money for a guy who plays 12 mpg. His OnCourt/offCourt number this year according to 82games was -12.2, the worst of all the FA bigs except for Channing Frye, who was -16.1. Granted, both guys played behind very good players, both those are some awful numbers. I'd rather sign Shelden Williams for less than half the price. His on/off court numbers in Sacramento were +3.1, and in Minnesota +9.6.

[bishopospurs]

We all knew someone was going to fall in love with his playoff run and overpay. 4 words Sca La Bri Ne... no it isn't that bad.... or is it?

[lefty]

So, Orlando has lost :

- Alston
- Lee
- Hedo
- Gortat

I'm not saying Gortat is the shit; plus, he doesn't deserve that much $$$, but he was a good fit in ORL.

[Pucho!!!]

So, Orlando has lost :

- Alston
- Lee
- Hedo
- Gortat

I'm not saying Gortat is the shit; plus, he doesn't deserve that much $$$, but he was a good fit in ORL.

Otis Smith thinks it best to have Carter over all those players combined hahaha

[Slinkyman]

Otis Smith thinks it best to have Carter over all those players combined hahaha

I think he'd rather have Carter + Sheed over those guys.

[jack0fspeed]

That's a lot of money for a guy who plays 12 mpg. His OnCourt/offCourt number this year according to 82games was -12.2, the worst of all the FA bigs except for Channing Frye, who was -16.1. Granted, both guys played behind very good players, both those are some awful numbers. I'd rather sign Shelden Williams for less than half the price. His on/off court numbers in Sacramento were +3.1, and in Minnesota +9.6.

on/off court pretty much measures how good you are compared to your backup. Gortat's "backup" is Dwight Howard so I don't think you pay much attention to that particular stat.

It's a good signing for the Mavs. Definitely an upgrade from Dampier at half the cost. Not a game changer, but we'll see what else the Mavs do.

[lefty]

I think he'd rather have Carter + Sheed over those guys.
So if he doesn't get Sheed, then it's an epic fail

[crc21209]

The Magic arent going to get Sheed. It's between S.A and Boston.

[mando6599]

on/off court pretty much measures how good you are compared to your backup. Gortat's "backup" is Dwight Howard so I don't think you pay much attention to that particular stat.

It's a good signing for the Mavs. Definitely an upgrade from Dampier at half the cost. Not a game changer, but we'll see what else the Mavs do.

I've been wondering why Donnie Nelson would go after another underwhelming center. Is Damp an UFA? I guess they're not re-signing Hollins though. I mean, in all honesty, don't they want someone down low that can produce more offense than Damp? I live in the DFW area and it seems to be pretty big news here signing Gortat.

Oh, to see Kidd sign with the Knicks would be a dream come true for me. Mavs announcer, 1st regular season home game: "And your starting point guard for your Dallas Mavericks, Jose Juan BAREEEEEAAAAAAAAA!!!!!" I know, I know, not gonna happen, but it is funny to think about.

mando

[Interrohater]

From ESPN Deportes:
http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story?id=862923&s=bas&type=story

El agente libre restringido Marcin Gortat tenía previsto viajar a Dallas luego de arreglar de palabra con los Mavericks para firmar una oferta la semana próxima, informaron fuentes de la NBA.

Las fuentes le dijeron a ESPN.com que los Mavericks llevarán a Gortat a un tour por la ciudad y las facilidades de la franquicia, luego de extenderle una oferta que vale la excepción de nivel medio de Dallas -que se traduce a un contrato por cinco años que comienza con 5.6 millones- con la esperanza de que Orlando Magic no iguale la oferta.

Basically says that Gortat is planning a trip to Dallas after promising to sign their offer of the mid-level exception for five years. Nice get Mavs.

[DMX7]

wow, stupid. This guy isn't worth the full MLE.

[coopdogg3]

The full MLE for 5 years? That's a bit steep. If I was Orlando & Gortat I would have forced teams to trade for me. Houston and Dallas both wanted him bad - if they could have worked a S & T - then Gortat gets more money, an extra year, and Orlando gets a little something for their trouble. Guess it's too late to work that now - Gortat needs Rashard Lewis' agent.

[GooberNuts]

Yup definitely getting overpaid. He could pan out well but I think this guy has been pretty overhyped.

[Findog]

The full MLE for a guy who is only 24, has averaged a double-double anytime he gets more than 20 minutes per game, has put up a double-double in every career start? A guy who worked hard to go from second-round end of the benchwarmer to leapfrogging Adonal Foyle for backup C minutes? I'm not really worried about him being a contract year ho, and even if he is no better than Erick Dampier, he at least is being paid appropriately. I'm much rather blow the full MLE on a 24 year old Gortat than a 36 year old Rasheed Wallace who is just going through the motions out there. Good pickup for Dallas.

[jag]

wow, stupid. This guy isn't worth the full MLE.

The problem is that they gave him 5 years...not that they gave him the full MLE.

He's better than Sheed at this point in their respective careers.

[Interrohater]

I agree, I think he's worth it, but five years is a lot of time with someone who is still relatively unproven. He's unproven even more so in the Dallas system. It's an iffy situation, but at least they pulled the trigger

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Mark Cuban overpays for yet another average centre. Ho hum.

[Interrohater]

oops, my bad... old news, please move thread :)

[Findog]

I agree, I think he's worth it, but five years is a lot of time with someone who is still relatively unproven. He's unproven even more so in the Dallas system. It's an iffy situation, but at least they pulled the trigger

They wanted to make sure Orlando wouldn't match. The full MLE to a guy who's going to play 12-15 minutes a night isn't worth it. Gortat is good enough to start for a lot of teams, and if something were to happen to Howard, it's not like with Gortat they could keep on rolling w/o missing a beat.

Even if he's a complete bust, it's only the MLE. With Dampier, they've been getting MLE production for over $10 mil/year.

[Findog]

Mark Cuban overpays for yet another average centre. Ho hum.

This Aussie fuck chimes in with a weak take. Ho hum.

[ElNono]

Much better than the contract they gave to Dampier.
At first glance, I would say it has 'overpaid' written all over it. But Gortat has the chance to prove otherwise. So we'll know at the end of next season what we're looking at.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think it's a great move for Dallas..the $ spend was necessary, and that's the going rate for somebody with Gortat's potential/skill-set..

most of these guys are getting paid more than Gortat, some of them significantly more, but see: Nene, Biedrins, Kaman, Camby, Bynum, Haslem, Bogut, Chandler, Dalembert, Pryzbilla, Bargnani, Haywood..

then you have the guys that are clearly overpaid: Diop, Nazr, Brad Miller, Jerome James, Ilgauskas, Dampier, KMart, Foster, Blount, Gadzuric, Etan Thomas, Brian Cardinal, Tony Battie, Eddy Curry, Darko, Collison, Krstic, Ben Wallace, Kenny Thomas..

I probably mixed some up, but it doesn't matter..Gortat can realistically end up on either list, I'm leaning towards the first, but that doesn't matter either..the point is, you clearly must shell out some $ if you want a big man..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

This Aussie fuck chimes in with a weak take. Ho hum.

Hit a nerve, huh?

Gortat is a decent player, but is he going to influence the Mav's destiny? Not that I can see. Obviously you are happy to be paying over 6mil/yr to your 3rd big, and that's fine, but it's a typical Cuban move.

Your team is going nowhere, so enjoy your meaningless ad hominem attacks - they're all you've got when your team is in limbo, hamstrung by previous bad Cuban contracts.

[Findog]

Hit a nerve, huh?

It's a throwaway line that isn't relevant to the discussion at all.



Gortat is a decent player, but is he going to influence the Mav's destiny? Not that I can see.

What the fuck does this even mean? Did I say we're going to be having a parade in June because of this move? He is a better player and better option at C than Erick Dampier. The team is better at the center position because of this move. Solid move, solid addition. Nothing more, nothing less.


Obviously you are happy to be paying over 6mil/yr to your 3rd big,

I'm happy that they added a 24 year old with Gortat's skillset and potential for the MLE. Quality bigs cost $$$, and even if he's no better than Dampier, he'll be paid appropriately.


Your team is going nowhere

I would at least wait until training camp and rosters have been assembled before engaging in premature ejaculation. But that's just me.


so enjoy your meaningless ad hominem attacks - they're all you've got when your team is in limbo, hamstrung by previous bad Cuban contracts.

I am me and not you. That's enough.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Much better than the contract they gave to Dampier.
At first glance, I would say it has 'overpaid' written all over it. But Gortat has the chance to prove otherwise. So we'll know at the end of next season what we're looking at.

It's hard not to agree with that... although that's not saying much. 60mil for Dampier was incredible and embarrassing at the time, and has been ever since.


I think it's a great move for Dallas..the $ spend was necessary, and that's the going rate for somebody with Gortat's potential/skill-set..

most of these guys are getting paid more than Gortat, some of them significantly more, but see: Nene, Biedrins, Kaman, Camby, Bynum, Haslem, Bogut, Chandler, Dalembert, Pryzbilla, Bargnani, Haywood..

then you have the guys that are clearly overpaid: Diop, Nazr, Brad Miller, Jerome James, Ilgauskas, Dampier, KMart, Foster, Blount, Gadzuric, Etan Thomas, Brian Cardinal, Tony Battie, Eddy Curry, Darko, Collison, Krstic, Ben Wallace, Kenny Thomas..

I probably mixed some up, but it doesn't matter..Gortat can realistically end up on either list, I'm leaning towards the first, but that doesn't matter either..the point is, you clearly must shell out some $ if you want a big man..

You're not seriously comparing Gortat to Nene, Bogut, Bargnani or Bynum are you? Those guys shit on Gortat. Even Haslem, Biedrins, Pryzbilla and Haywood are significantly better players than Gortat at this point.

Gortat is a good backup, but I doubt his ceiling is anything higher than an average starter. He is pretty much Dampier all over again, although this time for half the price.

In this market the MLE was what had to be paid, but by the middle of his contract I think it will look a bit over the money.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It's a throwaway line that isn't relevant to the discussion at all.

What the fuck does this even mean? Did I say we're going to be having a parade in June because of this move? He is a better player and better option at C than Erick Dampier. The team is better at the center position because of this move. Solid move, solid addition. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm happy that they added a 24 year old with Gortat's skillset and potential for the MLE. Quality bigs cost $$$, and even if he's no better than Dampier, he'll be paid appropriately.

I would at least wait until training camp and rosters have been assembled before engaging in premature ejaculation. But that's just me.

I am me and not you. That's enough.

In other words, hit a nerve. I guess I'd be pissed too if I were a Mavs fan.

[Findog]

In other words, hit a nerve. I guess I'd be pissed too if I were a Mavs fan.

"In other words, I refuse to rebut your arguments because I'm too lazy to back up my argument. I'll just go with lame team smack instead."

Embarassing.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

"In other words, I refuse to rebut your arguments because I'm too lazy to back up my argument. I'll just go with lame team smack instead."

Embarassing.

Sorry?

I love how pretty much every other poster on the previous page said the same thing I did but you decide to have a go at me over it. Well done.

As I have explained above if you bothered to read my posts, Gortat is young (your grand argument as to why this is a fantastic move), but I also see him as having a pretty low ceiling. He has nice touch around the basket, is reasonably mobile, and plays with effort, but I don't see him changing the fortunes of your team one bit, and it will be interesting to see what his effort is like now he has 32mil in the bank. He has no range on offence, not much of a post game that I've seen, and it's not like he's a lockdown defender. He's decidely fucking average. Well done, you now have Dampier Mk II for half the price. Maybe Cuban is learning after all! :lmao

[Findog]

if you bothered to read my posts

Why would I want to make a habit out of it?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

"In other words, I refuse to rebut your arguments because I'm too lazy to back up my argument. I'll just go with lame team smack instead."

Embarassing.

No, what I meant is that I'd be pissed if I were a Mavs fan and all I had to cheer about was signing Marcin Gortat. Yippee! :lol

I really hope Kidd flees to New York. Let's face it, neither franchise is set to contend this year, so he may as well in the hope that LBJ, DWade or Bosh will join him in 2011 for a final push at a ring.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why would I want to make a habit out of it?

Well, if you want to claim that someone hasn't answered your arguments, you may care to read what they said first.

You're not covering yourself in glory here, I'd let it go.

[DPG21920]

To be fair, Gortat is STILL young and can improve. Damp or Diop never came close to the PER or per minute stats that Gortat put up.

It is a risk bc it is a small sample size, but comparing him to Diop or Damp is just not accurate.

He is already as good as Damp and has a greater chance to become very good. Not to mention your starting center got younger, better and cheaper. He is definitely not a "3rd" big man :lol

[Findog]

I love how pretty much every other poster on the previous page said the same thing I did but you decide to have a go at me over it. Well done.

The other posters made their points without being a cunt. I called you out on it. Well done.


As I have explained above if you bothered to read my posts,

I don't plan on making a habit out of it



Gortat is young (your grand argument as to why this is a fantastic move), but I also see him as having a pretty low ceiling.

Thank you for chiming in, Expert Basketball Scout.


but I don't see him changing the fortunes of your team one bit, and it will be interesting to see what his effort is like now he has 32mil in the bank.

Considering by all accounts he was an extremely hard worker in Orlando and leapfrogged Foyle for the backup job, and wants the opportunity to play more than 12 minutes a night as Howard's backup, I'm not worried about his effort.

As for "changing the team's destiny," who the fuck are you? J.R. Tolkien? He makes us better and at a reasonable price. Good move, and nothing more. You seem to be saying that the Mavs have to add somebody that will put them over the top for a championship with their MLE in order for the use of their MLE to be judged successfully. If that's the case, you don't seem to understand the limits of that roster move.

[Findog]

Well, if you want to claim that someone hasn't answered your arguments, you may care to read what they said first.

You're not covering yourself in glory here, I'd let it go.

No, I read you wrote. You started off by saying the Mavs were overpaying for him. Considering what Gortat is and is capable of, and the market rate for bigs, that is decidedly not the case, even if he ends up being no better than Dampier. Your argument is incorrect, but you're welcome to keep making it and amusing the rest of us in the process. Throw in some "My team is better than your team" smacktalk for good measure, since you guys ended our season and all.

[Kori Ellis]

It's a good signing for the Mavs. Decent bigs get the MLE and up. That's how it is. And by all reports out of Orlando, he was a damn hard worker, improving regularly and a great teammate. The consensus (by people around the team and Orlando fans who watch him regularly) is that he can be a solid starter somewhere. I wouldn't have wanted the Spurs to pay him the MLE, but it's a good move for the Mavericks.

[timvp]

Damp or Diop never came close to the PER or per minute stats that Gortat put up. Damp's per-minute stats the year before he signed with the Mavs were better.

[DPG21920]

I would not have minded the full MLE for the Spurs, but they are in a different situation than most teams. In win now mode, you must pay or overpay for guys who can help. Gortat is 2nd on my list (not that it matters :lol), just behind Sheed.

I do not think Sheed is truly worth the full MLE, but for the Spurs he is.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Good. Another bust at the C position for them. GJ cuban. Thats IF the Magic dont match.


We all knew someone was going to fall in love with his playoff run and overpay. 4 words Sca La Bri Ne... no it isn't that bad.... or is it?


wow, stupid. This guy isn't worth the full MLE.


Yup definitely getting overpaid. He could pan out well but I think this guy has been pretty overhyped.


The other posters made their points without being a cunt. I called you out on it. Well done.

So, each of the posts above were being less of a "cunt" than I was by saying "Cuban overpaid for another average centre. Ho hum."? Well done on your reading comprehension. :rolleyes



Thank you for chiming in, Expert Basketball Scout.

You asked me to counter your arguments, so I did. I don't see how you're any more qualified to comment on what you've seen of him than I am.


Considering by all accounts he was an extremely hard worker in Orlando and leapfrogged Foyle for the backup job, and wants the opportunity to play more than 12 minutes a night as Howard's backup, I'm not worried about his effort.

And for all of that, he's still decidedly average. Who do you see him becoming?

[DPG21920]

Damp's per-minute stats the year before he signed with the Mavs were better.

Was that in 04? Damp was 15&15 in rebounding/scoring per 40. Gortat is 18&16 (rounded up for both players). That is pretty damn close, but Gortat comes out ahead.

[Findog]

And for all of that, he's still decidedly average. Who do you see him becoming?

He's put up a double-double in every career start. His per 36 minute #s are very good. If he can simply keep doing what he has up to this point, and keep up his work ethic, the Mavs will not regret the $$ they're paying him.

With all of your "change the team's destiny" bullshit, though, you seem to be saying this move should be judged as "Championship or Bust." That's just not a realistic expectation for the MLE. Given our roster needs and what's out there, the Mavs hit at least a solid double with their use of the MLE, and potentially more.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No, I read you wrote. You started off by saying the Mavs were overpaying for him. Considering what Gortat is and is capable of, and the market rate for bigs, that is decidedly not the case, even if he ends up being no better than Dampier. Your argument is incorrect, but you're welcome to keep making it and amusing the rest of us in the process. Throw in some "My team is better than your team" smacktalk for good measure, since you guys ended our season and all.

Just because the market for bigs means that Gortat got the MLE for 5 years does not mean that the contract won't be overblown in 2-3 years time, which I suspect it will be. I may be wrong, we shall see, but I think in 3 years Gortat will probably be an overpaid backup for some team other than the Mavs, dumped by Cuban like so many other terrible contracts he's signed.

BTW, I already said that you basically got Dampier for half the price, and that's an improvement. :lol

Personally, I'm glad the Spurs didn't sign Gortat for the MLE. He is not talented enought to change the fortune of my team, or yours.

[Tully365]

I like Gortat and his potential, but I just don't think he has earned this kind of money, and bigs like this rarely become big time starters. But of course, Cuban has money to burn so maybe he doesn't care about the potential of overspending. At this point I'd rather give 2 years at 1.5 million to Mouhamed Sene, another shot-blocking, foul prone, many rebounds per minute, not much offense type of guy who is 2 years younger than Gortat and won DPOY in the D-league.

[Findog]

Personally, I'm glad the Spurs didn't sign Gortat for the MLE.

Yes, you guys are much better off with 36 yr old Sheed going through the motions instead of getting a young big with promise to pair alongside Timmy.


He is not talented enought to change the fortune of my team, or yours.

What is this "change of fortune" bullshit you keep spouting? The Mavs made good use of their MLE. We'll see what San Antonio does with theirs. Can we keep the conversation centered around basketball and not metaphysical diddling? Do you understand what the MLE is? Because it doesn't appear like you do.

[timvp]

Was that in 04? Damp was 15&15 in rebounding/scoring per 40. Gortat is 18&16 (rounded up for both players). That is pretty damn close, but Gortat comes out ahead.You need to reboot your calculator and try again. Damp averaged more points and rebounds per minute.

[DPG21920]

I am comparing the highest either have put up via P/40:

In 2003/2004 Damp put up 15 points/15 rebounds with a PER of 20.24
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=181&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fplayers%2fhollinger%3fplayerId%3d181

In 2007/2008 Gortat put up 18 points/16 rebounds with a PER of 20.03
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=2758&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fplayers%2fhollinger%3fplayerId%3d2758

I do not know if those are accurate or if we are talking about the same thing. But I was wrong about Damp or Diop not coming close.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yes, you guys are much better off with 36 yr old Sheed going through the motions instead of getting a young big with promise to pair alongside Timmy.

Once again, if you had a clue what I've been posting rather than making assumptions, I've been advocating for Dice, not Sheed. Dice would be a perfect fit as a Spur and still has gas in the tank afterthat long mid-career lay off. But then I wouldn't expect you to pay enough attention to get things like that right.

And your "young big with promise" would not work next to Tim because he can't hit a long jumper like Dice (and Sheed) can. Nor is he a better defender than Dice/Sheed, or a better boardman than Dice.


What is this "change of fortune" bullshit you keep spouting? The Mavs made good use of their MLE. We'll see what San Antonio does with theirs. Can we keep the conversation centered around basketball and not metaphysical diddling? Do you understand what the MLE is? Because it doesn't appear like you do.

What I am referring to is that Gortat doesn't make you a contender again - he's not suddenly making a bunch of also rans into a contending team. And sure, you bested an old, beaten-up Spurs team last year, but that was entirely predictable (in fact, I and a few others were given a lot of shit by the homers for seeing the writing on the wall with 2 weeks to go in the regular season and stating our opinions), but everyone knew you would be gutted by the Nuggets, and that's exactly what happened.

So, it's clear that you're more than one player from being back amongst the league's giants, and certainly more than Marcin Gortat from being a serious contender. What I'm wondering is why you'd make a 5yr, full MLE commitment to a guy who isn't going to make a difference to your standings? Because he'll make a difference in 2012? Maybe, but Cuban doesn't roll like that, he flies by the seat of his pants when it comes to assembling teams. This is a fan-placating move, nothing more, nothing less.

I wonder how many other teams were willing to offer the full 32/5 to Gortat? I saw him more as a 12/3 or 15/5 guy in a true market, although it is a highly inflated market for bigs this year. That's why I think your team might regret this deal. Surely, it's a better idea to stay out of a market like this unless you have to act (as we do)?

Anyway, this has been fun, but it's now time for other things.

[Findog]

What I am referring to is that Gortat doesn't make you a contender again - he's not suddenly making a bunch of also rans into a contending team.

Why are you beating this non sequitur horse? How much frontal lobe damage do you have? I'm just trying to wrap my head around your "logic": Since there's not a FA out there the Mavs can sign with their MLE that would result in them leapfrogging the Magic, Cavs, Celtics and Lakers for a title, you are essentially saying they should just not bother improving their team with the MLE at all. Umm...okay.

You're nitpicking this move because it's the Mavs and you don't like the Mavs. You're welcome to continue making yourself look stupid by shitting on this move out of proportion to the potential downside.


And sure, you bested an old, beaten-up Spurs team last year, but that was entirely predictable (in fact, I and a few others were given a lot of shit by the homers for seeing the writing on the wall with 2 weeks to go in the regular season and stating our opinions), but everyone knew you would be gutted by the Nuggets, and that's exactly what happened.

This thread is about Marcin Gortat, not the 2009 NBA playoffs. I find it strange that a Spurs fan would like to discuss the 2009 playoffs with a Mavs fan, but umm...okay.


Anyway, this has been fun, but it's now time for other things.

You too, Governor Palin.

[Trainwreck2100]

This Aussie fuck chimes in with a weak take. Ho hum.

cmon man when has Cuban not overpaid a player, besides Dirk

[Findog]

cmon man when has Cuban not overpaid a player, besides Dirk

Howard's contract is reasonable. Devin Harris had a fantastic deal for what he is, but they had to fuck that up by trading for Kidd. Terry's deal isn't that bad.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why are you beating this non sequitur horse? How much frontal lobe damage do you have? I'm just trying to wrap my head around your "logic": Since there's not a FA out there the Mavs can sign with their MLE that would result in them leapfrogging the Magic, Cavs, Celtics and Lakers for a title, you are essentially saying they should just not bother improving their team with the MLE at all. Umm...okay.

You continually ask me to explain what I'm saying and then have a go at me for it - who has the frontal lobe damage???

I said nothing about "leapfrogging", I was referring to being in contention. Leapfrogging implies being better than, and you're a long way from that ever being possible.

And, yes, if you spend like Cuban spends, loading down your team with shitty contracts that end up biting you in the arse (which he has done ever since he bought the team), maybe it would be a good idea to lay off the spending in an overblown bigman free-agent market. That way you actually have money to spend when a real team-changing deal comes along. It's called long-term planning. I'm not surprised that you seem to be unfamiliar with it.


This thread is about Marcin Gortat, not the 2009 NBA playoffs. I find it strange that a Spurs fan would like to discuss the 2009 playoffs with a Mavs fan, but umm...okay.

You brought up the subject when you said: "...since you guys ended our season and all." I was merely responding to your "lame team smack talk".

[Findog]

You continually ask me to explain what I'm saying and then have a go at me for it

As best as I can tell, your argument is that the Mavs should not use their MLE to improve their team since it doesn't "change their destiny" into a title team. That's pretty effing stupid. So who should the Mavs use their MLE on instead of Gortat? I guess Hedo would've turned down $56 million from Toronto for $32 mil with us? What should we do with our MLE given our roster needs? We were deficient at the 2 and 5 last year. We just signed a promising 24 year old 5 with the MLE. What would you do?


I said nothing about "leapfrogging", I was referring to being in contention

The Mavs were one of 8 teams left standing last year. That means they are a hell of a lot closer to the penthouse than the sewer. I would agree that they have a ways to go to catch up to LA, but they can stand pat and still be a playoff team and be capable of winning a series without doing a damn thing this summer. You're just not making sense at all.


That way you actually have money to spend when a real team-changing deal comes along.

Mark Cuban is unwilling to open his wallet to acquire impact players? Uh, okay...


It's called long-term planning. I'm not surprised that you seem to be unfamiliar with it.


Right, the Spurs sure used long-term planning to alter their franchise's fortunes. They totally planned it out by making sure David Robinson missed 60 games so they could then win the lottery in a year in which Tim Duncan was coming out of college. Right.

[DPG21920]

Kori: where do you have Gortat on your list for the Spurs?

[Findog]

I like Gortat and his potential, but I just don't think he has earned this kind of money, and bigs like this rarely become big time starters. But of course, Cuban has money to burn so maybe he doesn't care about the potential of overspending. At this point I'd rather give 2 years at 1.5 million to Mouhamed Sene, another shot-blocking, foul prone, many rebounds per minute, not much offense type of guy who is 2 years younger than Gortat and won DPOY in the D-league.

Gortat played well in the playoffs. That's a crucible that Sene has not had. And Gortat has averaged a double-double anytime he gets more than 20 mpg, so while he's not exactly Wilt Chamberlain down in the low post, he's not helpless either.

[Kori Ellis]

Kori: where do you have Gortat on your list for the Spurs?

I don't really have a list. I don't LOVE any of the options, but I don't mind a bunch of them depending on the price -- Rasheed, McDyess, Varejao, Pachulia, Big Baby, Bass, Kleiza, even Rasho.

I don't think that you need five stellar starting quality players (teams rarely have that). So I think with Tim/Tony/Manu/RJ, the big could be just a hard working guy who doesn't get in the way, hits the glass and knows his role.

[Tully365]

Gortat played well in the playoffs. That's a crucible that Sene has not had. And Gortat has averaged a double-double anytime he gets more than 20 mpg, so while he's not exactly Wilt Chamberlain down in the low post, he's not helpless either.

Very true, but there's a reason why he hasn't played 20 minutes in a game very often, and that's because having him on the floor for extended periods hasn't struck his own coach as a probable formula for winning. And that's on a team with two small forwards taking turns playing the power forward position that neither of them wants responsibility for. I'm not saying Sene is better at this point, but I am saying that a 3 million dollar gamble on Sene makes more sense to me than a 35 million dollar gamble on Gortat. Unless, of course, money is no object.

[Obstructed_View]

Great get by the Mavs. Unlike Damp, who had a Jerome James type contract year with a terrible team and has mailed it in ever since, they get a mobile guy who can put up numbers without ball-hogging and play defense. If he comes anything close to what he's done the few times he's been a starter, the full MLE will be a bargain. Spurs fans will be crying about this one in a year.

[timvp]

I don't think Gortat would have been a good fit on the Spurs. He takes up a lot of space and the Spurs need that space to allow TD, Manu, TP and RJ to get into the paint.

But on the Mavs where they don't have a main player who prefers the paint Gortat will have an opportunity to reach his potential.

[polandprzem]

I don't think Gortat would have been a good fit on the Spurs. He takes up a lot of space and the Spurs need that space to allow TD, Manu, TP and RJ to get into the paint.

But on the Mavs where they don't have a main player who prefers the paint Gortat will have an opportunity to reach his potential.

Strange

If you could have duos of twin towers in Akeem and Ralph, Tim and Dave you also could find a place for 20 minutes Gortat-Dunncan duo./

[timvp]

Strange

If you could have duos of twin towers in Akeem and Ralph, Tim and Dave you also could find a place for 20 minutes Gortat-Dunncan duo./

You just wanted a Pole on this team.

[polandprzem]

You just wanted a Pole on this team.

Not just that. I want to see how he will be able to produce under Pop with TD as his mentor.

[polandprzem]

And yea we could protect the rim better

But if we can get McDyess or rasheed , not having Gortat won't do much harm
:D

[polandprzem]

btw. LJ Have you considered that ufc100 vbookie I was asking you for?

[Obstructed_View]

I don't think Gortat would have been a good fit on the Spurs. He takes up a lot of space and the Spurs need that space to allow TD, Manu, TP and RJ to get into the paint.

But on the Mavs where they don't have a main player who prefers the paint Gortat will have an opportunity to reach his potential.

All he has to do is stand there and when his man leaves him to try to block Parker or Manu in the paint he's got an easy finish. If they miss at the rim he goes after the rebound. If there's a jumper he blocks out and gets position for the offensvie board. Its not like he's Carlos Boozer on the Olympic team setting up in the block at the same time as Duncan.

[benefactor]

I think some fans have been watching the Spurs low ball players for so long that they have forgotten what the market value for a decent big is. I wouldn't have been in love with the Spurs paying the full MLE for him, but I can understand why a team would.

[Findog]

Very true, but there's a reason why he hasn't played 20 minutes in a game very often, and that's because having him on the floor for extended periods hasn't struck his own coach as a probable formula for winning. And that's on a team with two small forwards taking turns playing the power forward position that neither of them wants responsibility for. I'm not saying Sene is better at this point, but I am saying that a 3 million dollar gamble on Sene makes more sense to me than a 35 million dollar gamble on Gortat. Unless, of course, money is no object.

I thought the reason he doesn't get more PT is because they have Howard ahead of him on the depth chart.

[kbrury]

Yeah its not like they play small forwards at the PF position because everyone else sucks they do it because of their system Howard in the center and 4 shooters. When Gortat is in they do pretty much the same thing its just the system they have.

[benefactor]

If Dallas can get rid of Dampier, I don't see how anyone can say that this is a bad move for them.

[Findog]

If Dallas can get rid of Dampier, I don't see how anyone can say that this is a bad move for them.

There's a team option for 10-11 that the Mavs won't pick up, so in effect he has an expiring. Stack has $9 million due to him for next season but he can be bought out for $2 million. The onus is on Dallas to turn Stack/Damp into something good, provided Cuban is willing to take on contracts that run past 2010.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ruff- I wasn't comparing Gortat to those players from an ability standpoint..clearly those guys have proven more than he is..my point was that he can end up in either group of players once he achieves his potential, but REGARDLESS, you have to pay a lot for a big man..

[Tully365]

I thought the reason he doesn't get more PT is because they have Howard ahead of him on the depth chart.

:lol Yeah, that Howard guy is pretty good!

I think my argument has been slightly murky because I'm coming at it about 50% as a Spurs fan & 50% as a fan analyzing what Dallas just did.... so I'll say this: getting Gortat is IMO a positive for the Mavs. Another 7 ft shot-blocking rebounder sure isn't going to hurt them. They'll probably lose Hollins now, and I wouldn't even be surprised if the Spurs looked at him if the other top FAs go elsewhere, especially considering how good he looked against them in round one this year. But I do think Gortat is one of those guys that looks very good in the "per48 minute" stats as a bench player, which then leads many to think he will inevitably become a star, given the playing time. If Gortat could have teamed with Howard to form another twin tower duo for 12 minutes a game and substituted for him another 12, then I think you've got a budding star... but his limitations prevented this from happening. Again, I'll concede that the star of the Mavs is a PF with great range, not a center like Howard who needs to be in the paint. OK, now my argument is getting murkier.... oh, wait.. I've got it: Damn you Mavs and all of your money!! Damn you! :lol

[Obstructed_View]

:lol Yeah, that Howard guy is pretty good!

I think my argument has been slightly murky because I'm coming at it about 50% as a Spurs fan & 50% as a fan analyzing what Dallas just did.... so I'll say this: getting Gortat is IMO a positive for the Mavs. Another 7 ft shot-blocking rebounder sure isn't going to hurt them. They'll probably lose Hollins now, and I wouldn't even be surprised if the Spurs looked at him if the other top FAs go elsewhere, especially considering how good he looked against them in round one this year. But I do think Gortat is one of those guys that looks very good in the "per48 minute" stats as a bench player, which then leads many to think he will inevitably become a star, given the playing time. If Gortat could have teamed with Howard to form another twin tower duo for 12 minutes a game and substituted for him another 12, then I think you've got a budding star... but his limitations prevented this from happening. Again, I'll concede that the star of the Mavs is a PF with great range, not a center like Howard who needs to be in the paint. OK, now my argument is getting murkier.... oh, wait.. I've got it: Damn you Mavs and all of your money!! Damn you! :lol

You have to remember that those limitations were also Howard's limitations, and he's managed to sort of schlep by on the numbers he puts up close to the basket. If Gortat can do much more than half of that, then he's a steal.

[poeticism707]

As best as I can tell, your argument is that the Mavs should not use their MLE to improve their team since it doesn't "change their destiny" into a title team. That's pretty effing stupid. So who should the Mavs use their MLE on instead of Gortat? I guess Hedo would've turned down $56 million from Toronto for $32 mil with us? What should we do with our MLE given our roster needs? We were deficient at the 2 and 5 last year. We just signed a promising 24 year old 5 with the MLE. What would you do?



The Mavs were one of 8 teams left standing last year. That means they are a hell of a lot closer to the penthouse than the sewer. I would agree that they have a ways to go to catch up to LA, but they can stand pat and still be a playoff team and be capable of winning a series without doing a damn thing this summer. You're just not making sense at all.



Mark Cuban is unwilling to open his wallet to acquire impact players? Uh, okay...



Right, the Spurs sure used long-term planning to alter their franchise's fortunes. They totally planned it out by making sure David Robinson missed 60 games so they could then win the lottery in a year in which Tim Duncan was coming out of college. Right.

Good post. If all an off season allows is small increments of improvement, then you'd do it. Like building a house one brick at a time.

[Knoxxx]

Now the word is Orlando will match for Gortat then trade him. I imagine the following would be attractive to them: Ian/Finley/Bonner/Mason

Ian fits their backup center need at a low price, the others are filler to match salaries and help them fill out their roster cheaply, and of course are expiring deals in one year.

This could be the rumored sign-and-trade. How awesome would it be to pull the rug from under Cuban, then possibly watch him have to pay more for Big Baby than he could have had Bass for?

[hater]

Ian sucks. trade his ass

[Obstructed_View]

Now the word is Orlando will match for Gortat then trade him. I imagine the following would be attractive to them: Ian/Finley/Bonner/Mason

Ian fits their backup center need at a low price, the others are filler to match salaries and help them fill out their roster cheaply, and of course are expiring deals in one year.

This could be the rumored sign-and-trade. How awesome would it be to pull the rug from under Cuban, then possibly watch him have to pay more for Big Baby than he could have had Bass for?

I was sort of in favor of trying to get Gortat, but not at that cost.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm all for Gortat, but like O_V said, not at that cost..we would be losing 3 shooters..

[coyotes_geek]

I'd rather just sign Rasho with the LLE.

Mason + Finley + Bonner + Rasho@LLE > Gortat

Also, Orlando won't be able to trade Gortat until December 15th. You can't sign and trade a restricted free agent who signs an offer sheet.

[SenorSpur]

If Orlando has indeed matched the offer, I'm sure their GM will be looking for the best trade package. I know the Spurs were interested in signing Gortat before, but the question is would they interested now that he's a tradeable commodity?

[Shank]

Now the word is Orlando will match for Gortat then trade him. I imagine the following would be attractive to them: Ian/Finley/Bonner/Mason

Ian fits their backup center need at a low price, the others are filler to match salaries and help them fill out their roster cheaply, and of course are expiring deals in one year.

This could be the rumored sign-and-trade. How awesome would it be to pull the rug from under Cuban, then possibly watch him have to pay more for Big Baby than he could have had Bass for?

No one wants your garbage.

You're jumping the gun anyway.

[Knoxxx]

No one wants your garbage.

You're jumping the gun anyway.

Yeah, about as probable as ya'll trading Dampier for "something good", as stated by one of your brethren over on the general NBA forum. I couldn't help but snicker at that one, at least our contracts are expiring.

Gortat's high price is based on more potential than proven worth. It's anybody's guess what he produces with extensive minutes. He definitely showed flashes against Bynum and Gasol.

:flag:

[Shank]

Yeah, about as probable as ya'll trading Dampier for "something good", as stated by one of your brethren over on the general NBA forum. I couldn't help but snicker at that one, at least our contracts are expiring.

Gortat's high price is based on more potential than proven worth. It's anybody's guess what he produces with extensive minutes. He definitely showed flashes against Bynum and Gasol.

:flag:

You obviously don't know what you're talking about in the way of Dampier's contract. Read up and then come back.

[coyotes_geek]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about in the way of Dampier's contract. Read up and then come back.

Why don't you wait for the mavs to actually turn Dampier's contract into something useful and then you come back. Because until then it doesn't look like anyone wants the mavs garbage any more than they want the Spurs garbage.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm all for Gortat, but like O_V said, not at that cost..we would be losing 3 shooters..

I mean more in terms of the length of that deal. Fin and Bonner are someone else's problem in nine months. Gortat could become, well, a mini-Dampier for that contract.

[superbigtime]

We can't trade ALL of our best 3 point shooters for a Center.

[45 bank shot]

we can't trade all of our best 3 point shooters for a center.
+1

[Spurs Brazil]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-magic-retain-marcin-gortat-071309,0,2845810.story

Magic to match offer sheet to retain center Marcin Gortat

Sentinel Staff Writer

3:24 PM EDT, July 13, 2009
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An NBA source has told the Orlando Sentinel that the Orlando Magic will match the five-year, $34-million offer sheet extended by the Dallas Mavericks to Marcin Gortat and thus retain him. The team would not be able to trade him until Dec. 15, at the earliest, if that's what the team wants to do.

more to come

[Bruno]

$34M for Gortat is crazy. I'm not sure it was the good choice to match the offer.

It sucks for Dallas. They will have to find a plan B and there isn't a lot left. Gooden? Wilcox?

[Muser]

Lol mavs.

[Darkwaters]

$34M for Gortat is crazy. I'm not sure it was the good choice to match the offer.

It sucks for Dallas. They will have to find a plan B and there isn't a lot left. Gooden? Wilcox?

Please Wilcox. That'd just be too awesome.

[Spurs Brazil]

$34M for Gortat is crazy. I'm not sure it was the good choice to match the offer.

It sucks for Dallas. They will have to find a plan B and there isn't a lot left. Gooden? Wilcox?

Big Baby?

[vander]

wow! 34 million and he'll probably be the 4th big man.

that's not going to be a lot of bang for Orlando's buck

[timvp]

Thank the lord the Spurs didn't go after Gortat.

[Bruno]

Big Baby?

Why not but he is even less a C than Gooden or Wilcox.

[coyotes_geek]

Thank the lord the Spurs didn't go after Gortat.

Amen to that. The Spurs would be in a world of hurt right now.

[in2deep]

Thank the lord the Spurs didn't go after Gortat.

Spurs would not have put all their eggs in one basket. Unlike the Mavs :lol

[bishopospurs]

Can we still land a restricted free agent? I thought we used all of our exceptions on McDyess and Haislip. Shelden Williams is still around as well. I wish Robert Swift was better, he didn't do too well in the Celtics summer league, but he has great height at 7' 1.