When Bruce Bowen leads the team in rebounding

[Kori Ellis]

you know that something is definitely wrong.

I hated the effort by the Spurs big men tonight ... defensively and on the glass. (Horry had a good game offensively.)

And on top of that, Tony and Manu lost their killer instinct.

Barry didn't have a stellar game, but he hit some 3's and got to the line.

Could this game help him turn the corner?

I expected an adjustment period for the Spurs after Tim went down, so I'm not writing them off ... and Devin going down made more adjustments. But if they don't win against the Hawks on Friday ...

:pctoss

[T Park]

Barry didn't have a stellar game

I disagree, I think Barry played very well.

He was agressive, made shots, tonight was the Brent Barry we expected.

Everyone else stunk way the fuck out loud.

[Kori Ellis]

Barry sucked until he made his second three-pointer. Then he played well the rest of the way. He was horrendous before that on both ends. That's why I said not stellar ... but definitely much better.

[Manu20]

Horry and Rasho played a combined of 50 minutes and manage to grab 8 rebounds :depressed

[T Park]

Pathetic effort by the big mean all the way around, sans horry, he made up for a little bit with his offense.

Rasho, Mohammed, and, anyone else big, sucked out loud, pathetic effort from those guys.

[Kori Ellis]

Nazr can't defend without fouling. He reaches in way too much. I can't believe that he's been in the league this long and doesn't know defensive basics.

[SequSpur]

I can't see any talent in any Spur since Duncan has been out. Nor have I seen talent in the coaching staff.

As for Manu and Parker. They got their contracts and money. Without Duncan, they look like they can give a shit about what Pop and his tools have to say.

There is no life, no hope, no talent.

Spurs suck without Duncan.

[T Park]

Well, thats a problem that POp and Co can handle I suppose.

At least, I hope.

[/QUOTE]I can't believe that he's been in the league this long and doesn't know defensive basics.[/QUOTE]

Answer me this, other than Larry Brown, who COULDVE taught him.

Obviously Rick Pitino is an overrated coach as well.

[T Park]

Nor have I seen talent in the coaching staff

waiting on an answer of who you would replace em with Genius bitch.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm just talking basics .. things that guys learn in high school. So I'd imagine anyone could have taught him. I"m not writing him off or anything. I just don't understand it. He has a lot of good qualities. He gets in great rebounding position. He doesn't seem afraid. He's long. But he just seems lost on D... and I'm not talking about Spurs D scheme, just he doesn't seem to know what to do when a guy is going at him.

I know people say that he only spent "half a season" with Philly under Brown. But he was actually there for 2 1/2 seasons ... I would have thought he would have gotten the basics then.

[Kori Ellis]

Actually Rasho is a good defender.

[Ginobilly]

It seems that Nazr has bad luck in picking up fouls other players get away with and gets no respect from the refs. Probably cause he's a Muslim black man????

[Kori Ellis]

Probably cause he's Muslim black man????

Stop the crazy talk. It's because he fouls people obviously and doesn't make good attempts on the ball.

[SequSpur]

waiting on an answer of who you would replace em with Genius bitch.

Terry Schiavo could've got more out of this team tonight you dipshit.

[T Park]

So you would hire Terry Schiavo,


is that your final answer there genius???

[1Parker1]

Crazy, Bruce Bowen was the leading rebounder...and that was only with 7 rebounds!!

What worries me is that there's no way this team can win even if Tim comes back. We have the same weaknesses we had since last year. We can't shoot for crap and when we can't shoot, Spurs forget to play Defense.

[Manu20]

We can't shoot for crap

Spurs have the 4th best shooting percentange in the NBA.(46.2)

[1Parker1]

Actually Rasho is a good defender.


Rasho is a good shot blocker and he uses his 7 ft height to defend. That's it. He can't score to save his life (4 freaking pts!) and I don't think many people have brought it up, but his rebounding has sucked this season!! He doesn't make smart decisions and I have rarely seen him make a good pass. If the Spurs were to make it to the finals, they would face either Detroit or Miami. How is Rasho going to do against the likes of Shaq and Wallace in a 7 game series?

4 points and 4 rebounds in 25 minutes. I can't believe I am saying this...but I am going to have to agree with Sequ! Spurs will not win a championship with Rasho as its starting center. :depressed

[1Parker1]

Spurs have the 4th best shooting percentange in the NBA.(46.2)


Well it's been MIA for a while. My point was that Spurs have a lot of nights where they can't shoot the ball to save their lives (See playoffs last year vs LA games 3-6). And when they aren't making their shots, they seem to forget how play Spurs defense on the other side.

[Kori Ellis]

Rasho consistently does everything he is asked to do defensively. (I'm not talking about tonight ... all the bigs sucked.) He is timid offensively and inconsistent on the glass. He's not great, but there aren't many good centers out there.


Spurs will not win a championship with Rasho as its starting center.

So even with everyone healthy, you don't think the Spurs would have won the title this season? You are nuts.

[jcrod]

Although stupid as it sounds, I think they need to involve Rasho a little more in the begining to get him going. When Duncan was out last yr, he pick up his game mainly, because they involved him more. His number increased substaintuly across the board. And if I remember correctly we had a winning perc.

[SequSpur]

Kori,

With Duncan, the Heat and Pistons are both better teams.

[MannyIsGod]

Total lack of effort. This team has shown that so many times this year because they feel they have a switch they are going to kick on during the playoffs. Nothing is going to make them try any harder.

Tonight, everytime Horry went to the bench, he was laughing. Tonight, I saw Tony Parker laughing with Stephen Jackson. Tonight, I saw a total lack of focus from almost everyone who played on that court.

These guys just don't get it. This may be one of the best groups the Spurs have ever assembled talent wise, but it is also one of the softest.

I hate to go Pop with the use of the word soft, but there was so little desire out there tonight. I was getting more angry and frustrated than some players who were on the court.

You can use the Duncan excuse, but the fact is that with the talent the Spurs have, they should be much more competative during these games!

Some of it is definetly on Pop and his lack of an ability to motivate this team, as well as mack the proper adjustments. I can't count the number of halftimes in which the Spurs have come out flat, and that is a definite sign of a coach who's not making the correct adjustments at halftime.

I don't know what it's going to take to wake this team up. Perhaps they do have a switch they are going to flip on during the playoffs, but that's a really dangerous route to take. At this point, this team has shown me no where near the amount of mental toughness and heart that previous championship teams had.

[1Parker1]

Kori, I don't think it's such a crazy thought. Rasho is our STARTING CENTER. He averages something like 6 pts a game and 6.7 rebounds. That just can't cut it. Even Manu manages to average 4.8 rebounds per game. I know Rasho can't take the place of David Robinson, no one can. And though he is a good defender, when it comes to finals time against Wallace and Shaq, Rasho doesn't always bring it the way he should. There is only so much of the offensive burden that Tim, Tony, and Manu can carry. At some point Rasho needs to toughen up and get more consistent.

[nacho estrada]

Mayne! Seeing the Spurs suck this hard fuckin blow's !!!!! The Spurs are tired, can't you all see it?! I say rightfully so, they play in the hardest system in basketball night in and night out. Injuries and the gruesome everyday grind of an NBA season have gripped a firm hold on this year's Spurs squad. Obviously, with Tim, Devin and Manu out this season; Tony has repeatedly had to take charge of the team. (thus being considered an all-star amongst those who know ) Now this unusual exertion from Tony this season has drained him down the stretch run of the 2005 season, which explains the fact that he too is run down even though he didn't play Olympic ball like the rest of the trio. Now, on to our All-Stars TD and Manu; they have been playing basketball non-stop for at least two years straight ( i think; if not even longer.. especially TDizzle) considering the Olympics and training for it, the NBA season and playoffs, and training camp as well as the NBA regular seaon. These guys are worn the fuck out. Purrr'd(aka. Period, to those non-ebonic readers). No if's and's or Luis Scola's about it. Speakin of... damn, how I wish we could bring him in right about now. Injuries are killing us but like Malik said, it's probably a blessing in disguise. I have to believe in that theory too because there are few optomistic viewpoints out there.

[Das Texan]

I'd like to see Marks get more floor time.


Or at least Massenburg, especially when the bigs are playing like total garbage.

[whottt]

It seems that Nazr has bad luck in picking up fouls other players get away with and gets no respect from the refs. Probably cause he's a Muslim black man????



Yahhh...that certainly held Hakeem Olaujuwon and Kareem Abdul Jabbar back...

[whottt]

Barry didn't have a stellar game, but he hit some 3's and got to the line.



:pctoss


Kori...just say he sucks...It's bad to hold things in...

[Kori Ellis]

Insecure much, Mrs. Barry?

I don't think he sucked, so why should I say it. He had a great game after hitting his second 3. Before that, he sucked. That balances out to ... he had a good game, not awesome.

[grjr]

I'd like to see Marks get more floor time.


Yeah, defensive juggernaut that he is. Ole!

jr

[Das Texan]

Yeah, defensive juggernaut that he is. Ole!

jr


not any worse than the other bigs out there tonight.

[whottt]

Insecure much, Mrs. Barry?

I don't think he sucked, so why should I say it. He had a great game after hitting his second 3. Before that, he sucked. That balances out to ... he had a good game, not awesome.



Kori, as much as I love to argue....I think you and SW are the like the only people I have never argued with and antagonized on this board, and you have always seemed fair to me even when the entire board was piling on.....while I have never backed down from an argument or yeilded my postion to anyone...no matter how brutal the pileon or what their board status was..I kind of like having one or two people that don't think I am a total asshole...so with the class, grace and dignity that is my calling card...I will respectully withdraw from this confrontation :)

[PM5K]

18 points is 18 points, if you get them all in the first, all in the fourth, or equally by quarter. Brent played well tonight, I really feel bad for the guy if he scores eighteen points and people still bitch that he played badly....

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[Kori Ellis]

Who said that he played badly? I said that he had a good game, but didn't play well early... I wasn't talking about his scoring.

[PM5K]

You said he didn't have a stellar game, three times your average in scoring is pretty damn good to me.

I don't know that anybody has had a stellar game for a while, I'd have to look at the boxes...

I mean who had more assists than Brent, only one guy, THE STARTING POINT GUARD. Who had the most steals, Bowen tied with Brent with two, and he's THE DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST. Three boards isn't great but it was the same as Nazr and one less than Rasho. He was perfect from the line and 66% from the three point line.....

[Kori Ellis]

Stellar to me means exceptional. He had a good game, not exceptional. If he would have played well early, or gotten more of his points when the Spurs were still in it, then it would be exceptional.

I wasn't bitching about him at all.

[MannyIsGod]

There was nothing stellar about Barry's game, but it was a very nice step in the right direction.

[team-work]

Dear Kori,

Having expressed a lot of disappointment by the 2 recent games (at least), I would like to know how can the Spurs get out of the slump, now that Duncan and Brown are out due to injuries. Also how is the morale inside the team like?

[SLOVENIAN 8]

Maybie Erazem Lorbek could help!

http://www.euroleague.net/stats/statsPartido.jsp?temporada=E04&jornada=19&partido=205

24pts, 7 reb, 1 asist, 1 steal , 24 minuts fg 10/14 :smokin

Look his FG and 3 pts Fg in top 16 :smokin http://www.euroleague.net/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=BWL

http://www.euroleague.net/fotos/noticias/jornada1/gra_1434_52.jpg

[team-work]

May I say that what this year's Spurs team lacks, compared with the championship team in 2002-03, is HEART. During that year, everybody knew David Robinson was going to retire, and they determined to bring him a second crown. That team was not better talented than this year's team. Also they got enough injuries bugs, eg. Speedy Claxton with dislocated shoulder, Manu Ginobili with injured ankle, and Steve Smith... and Malik Rose was benched by Pop. But somehow the team put together after the Rodeo Road trip (after a blowout by the Twolves).

Can this year's team bring out the same heart? A quest for the first championship after David? Or can't the Spurs from the 2003-04 team remember what separated them from the title? It's the officiating error that allowed Derek Fisher's miracle .4 second shot, eclipsing Duncan's own miraculous shot over Shaq! Do they think of revenge by winning this year's title, or are they thinking of an early summer vacation?

I sincerely hope that everyone plays hard and hustles like crazy next game, to show the world that the Spurs even without Duncan cannot be overlooked like an also-ran.

[ChumpDumper]

I would like to know how can the Spurs get out of the slump, now that Duncan and Brown are out due to injuries.Have Duncan get better. It's not like we'd win the title without him.