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Marcus Bryant
05-01-2009, 03:00 PM
Yet another off-season the Spurs face with a paucity of unrestricted free agent targets and a host of attractive restricted free agents. In general, has the expansion of restricted free agency to include those on 1st round rookie scale contracts after their fourth year and those players with three or less years of service in the NBA been a good thing or a bad thing for your San Antonio Spurs?

rayray2k8
05-01-2009, 03:03 PM
whats up with your avatar pic and who the hell is that anyway?

Mel_13
05-01-2009, 03:06 PM
Yet another off-season the Spurs face with a paucity of unrestricted free agent targets and a host of attractive restricted free agents. In general, has the expansion of restricted free agency to include those on 1st round rookie scale contracts after their fourth year and those players with three or less years of service in the NBA been a good thing or a bad thing for your San Antonio Spurs?

As you know, the RFA provision is there to make it more likely that a team can keep the players it has developed. It is a rule of the game.

It has made it harder to pry talent away from other teams, but without it could the Spurs have kept Manu in 2004? I think it is at least 50/50 we would have lost Manu without it, so I would say it has been a good thing for the Spurs.

Obstructed_View
05-02-2009, 02:21 AM
The Spurs don't attract talent. Their ability to keep the talent they've developed is key. If not for some front office fuckups, they'd have probably been able to keep Jack, too.

TDMVPDPOY
05-02-2009, 03:00 AM
spurs should just throw the MLE at anyone and see if the other team matches.....

baseline bum
05-02-2009, 04:23 AM
As you know, the RFA provision is there to make it more likely that a team can keep the players it has developed. It is a rule of the game.

It has made it harder to pry talent away from other teams, but without it could the Spurs have kept Manu in 2004? I think it is at least 50/50 we would have lost Manu without it, so I would say it has been a good thing for the Spurs.

Yes, because Manu was a second round pick, and thus an unrestricted free agent when he was re-signed for 04-05. The Spurs also had to dip into capspace to bring him back, so the RFA provision has done absolutely nothing positive for the Spurs since its institution. Beno Udrih is the only player I can think of to ever have RFA status with the Spurs.

Marcus Bryant
05-02-2009, 09:20 AM
Manu was a RFA in 2004. Remember the concern that the Nuggets would offer him a contract the Spurs couldn't/wouldn't match? Yes, I don't believe that Ginobili was likely to leave SA for Denver, but if he had been an UFA how would it have played out? Especially given that Holt might have been inclined to not carry three large contracts.

link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1835202)

Mel_13
05-02-2009, 09:37 AM
Yes, because Manu was a second round pick, and thus an unrestricted free agent when he was re-signed for 04-05. The Spurs also had to dip into capspace to bring him back, so the RFA provision has done absolutely nothing positive for the Spurs since its institution. Beno Udrih is the only player I can think of to ever have RFA status with the Spurs.

Manu was restricted as are all FAs with less than three years as long as the team makes the qualifying offer..

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q36

Restricted free agency exists only on a limited basis. It is allowed following the fourth year of rookie "scale" contracts for first round draft picks (see question number 41). It is also allowed for all veteran free agents who have been in the league three or fewer seasons.

Beno was never a free agent while with the Spurs. They exercised their team options for the 4th year of his rookie contract.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=beno+udrih&Team=&PlayerMovementChkBx=yes&BeginYear=&BeginMonth=&BeginDay=&EndYear=&EndMonth=&EndDay=&submit=Search

Cant_Be_Faded
05-02-2009, 10:52 AM
It's a sad day in SA when the only big true FA we've gone for in this run was Jason fucking Kidd.

Mel_13
05-02-2009, 11:07 AM
It's a sad day in SA when the only big true FA we've gone for in this run was Jason fucking Kidd.

Victims of their own success. Once TP and Manu were locked up, the Spurs have not had cap space and have been limited to the MLE.

Cant_Be_Faded
05-02-2009, 12:38 PM
And we wonder why Dallas residents willingly would jack off Cuban, even though they have not won anything.

Mel_13
05-02-2009, 12:49 PM
And we wonder why Dallas residents willingly would jack off Cuban, even though they have not won anything.

Watch out for Dallas this summer. Cuban wants a trophy and doesn't care about losing money. He has over 30M in contracts that he can use to get better players from teams looking to dump long term deals. Cuban will view the economic crisis as a great opportunity to take advantage of the economically weakest teams in the NBA.

They are, IMO, the team most likely to pull a Gasol-type deal this summer.

Obstructed_View
05-02-2009, 10:05 PM
Watch out for Dallas this summer. Cuban wants a trophy and doesn't care about losing money. He has over 30M in contracts that he can use to get better players from teams looking to dump long term deals. Cuban will view the economic crisis as a great opportunity to take advantage of the economically weakest teams in the NBA.

They are, IMO, the team most likely to pull a Gasol-type deal this summer.

Which makes it all the more gratifying when they end up having to pay a guy like Finley while he's winning a title somewhere else.