Mav Fan Opinion: Mavs Would Have Won Even With Healthy Spurs

[duncan228]

Just a tidbit from the Weekly Countdown.

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Ian Thomsen
SI.com

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I have to qualify my statements with the fact that I am a Mavs fan. But I still do not understand your reasoning that a healthy Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili would have driven the Spurs past Dallas. Even without Ginobili for much of the season and with a hobbled Duncan, the Spurs won enough games to earn the No. 3 seed. Based on that logic, they should have at least had the capability to beat the No. 6 seed in the playoffs with the players they had. Look back to when these teams played each other in the playoffs and were healthy: The Mavs beat the Spurs on their home court with the same core group of players, albeit in a different year and with different role players. I don't agree with your statements implying it was a given that the healthy Spurs would have won the series, and also that nobody had any interest in this series besides fans of the teams.
-- Aaron K., Dallas

I understand why you cared about your series in Texas, and you should understand why the rest of the country didn't. At their best, the Spurs haven't drawn a large national audience (as proven by their low ratings in NBA Finals), and they became less intriguing when Ginobili's season-ending injury took them out of title contention.

The Mavs were deeper and far more promising three years ago, when they edged past San Antonio in the conference semifinals. I don't think I'm being reckless when I draw on years of accumulated evidence to say that if Ginobili, Duncan and Tony Parker were healthy, then the Spurs would be the No. 2 contender in the West. I credit the Mavericks for exploiting the Spurs' weaknesses, but this simply was not a provocative series.

[gmanrulz]

Just a tidbit from the Weekly Countdown.

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Ian Thomsen
SI.com

...question rescued from the spam

I have to qualify my statements with the fact that I am a Mavs fan. But I still do not understand your reasoning that a healthy Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili would have driven the Spurs past Dallas. Even without Ginobili for much of the season and with a hobbled Duncan, the Spurs won enough games to earn the No. 3 seed. Based on that logic, they should have at least had the capability to beat the No. 6 seed in the playoffs with the players they had. Look back to when these teams played each other in the playoffs and were healthy: The Mavs beat the Spurs on their home court with the same core group of players, albeit in a different year and with different role players. I don't agree with your statements implying it was a given that the healthy Spurs would have won the series, and also that nobody had any interest in this series besides fans of the teams.
-- Aaron K., Dallas

I understand why you cared about your series in Texas, and you should understand why the rest of the country didn't. At their best, the Spurs haven't drawn a large national audience (as proven by their low ratings in NBA Finals), and they became less intriguing when Ginobili's season-ending injury took them out of title contention.

The Mavs were deeper and far more promising three years ago, when they edged past San Antonio in the conference semifinals. I don't think I'm being reckless when I draw on years of accumulated evidence to say that if Ginobili, Duncan and Tony Parker were healthy, then the Spurs would be the No. 2 contender in the West. I credit the Mavericks for exploiting the Spurs' weaknesses, but this simply was not a provocative series.


Just the first few sentences show how much of a moron this guy is. The spurs had ginobili for 44 games which is over half the seaon, and only lost a few games when all of the big 3 played. Pretty sure if ginobili was out the whole 82 games we wouldnt even make the playoffs.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Metroplex is a shithole full of fing idiots.

[dirk4mvp]

Of course they would have. No team with Matt Bonner starting at center is going to win a playoff series.

[Findog]

:cry :cry

[dirk4mvp]

The Metroplex is a shithole full of fing idiots.

Funny considering this is coming from some fag who voluntary roots for the aggies.

[EricB]

Funny considering this is coming from some fag who voluntary roots for the aggies.


Homophobic insults!!!!!

[Marcus Bryant]

More D/FW brilliance on display.

[gmanrulz]

Of course they would have. No team with Matt Bonner starting at center is going to win a playoff series.

dampier aint much better. Atleast bonner isnt getting 11 mill a year...

[Findog]

:cry :cry

[anonoftheinternets]

yes which is why the spurs with manu were called title contenders even by the so called mav fans on this forum, and they spent most of the year spitting on their team, and now suddenly once manu got injured, and dallas beat the spurs, dallas is powerful 6th seed, and not a team that jus scraped through to the PO.

[dirk4mvp]

Homophobic insults!!!!!

Would it complete the circle if I call you a fatass?

[dirk4mvp]

dampier aint much better. Atleast bonner isnt getting 11 mill a year...

Our starting C actually bothered to show up.

[J.T.]

At least the football team in Dallas is still trash.

[gmanrulz]

Our starting C actually bothered to show up.

ya he shows up once in a while. wouldnt count on it much going forward

[Shank]

lol utsa

[dastrey]

With so many injuries in the west, anybody could have gotten the 2nd seed this year. It is funny how he is trying to prop up the Spurs as a 3rd seed, yet there really is no difference 2-8. The Spurs would have lost to the Jazz with no Manu and half a Duncan. Lets see how the mavs fare against a healthy playoff team in Denver.

[Findog]

I'm sorry, what is this thread about again? We have the Denver Nuggets to worry about now.

[Hubie Brown]

You know Mike we can play the what if game all day but the bottom line is the Mavs beat the Spurs. The Spurs can say Ginobili was out and Duncan wasn't 100%, but then the Mavs can turn around and say Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George were out too. At the end of the day, it's about execution, and the Mavs did that.

[clambake]

dead enders forum.

[Findog]

You know Mike we can play the what if game all day but the bottom line is the Mavs beat the Spurs. The Spurs can say Ginobili was out and Duncan wasn't 100%, but then the Mavs can turn around and say Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George were out too. At the end of the day, it's about execution, and the Mavs did that.

This troll is so full of win. +1 :tu

[underdawg]

You know Mike we can play the what if game all day but the bottom line is the Mavs beat the Spurs. The Spurs can say Ginobili was out and Duncan wasn't 100%, but then the Mavs can turn around and say Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George were out too. At the end of the day, it's about execution, and the Mavs did that.

I don't think that's the argument he's making at all - mav fan wanted to know how some could say that a healthy Spurs team would have won and he laid it out for him based on history. Sorry, but it's mav fan that yearns for respect for a team that has underacheived and until they win a title they won't get it.

[The Great Fantastic]

I wish Stackhouse and George were healthy and playing. The Spurs might have won the series.

[Findog]

i don't think that's the argument he's making at all - mav fan wanted to know how some could say that a healthy spurs team would have won and he laid it out for him based on history. Sorry, but it's mav fan that yearns for respect for a team that has underacheived and until they win a title they won't get it.

yhbt. Hand.

[monosylab1k]

More D/FW brilliance on display.

We have insults, you have bean burritos. I call it a draw.

[Findog]

We have insults, you have bean burritos. I call it a draw.

We have the cocaine and boob job crowd; their average resident has a BMI of 35. I give us the slight edge.

[td4mvp21]

You know Mike we can play the what if game all day but the bottom line is the Mavs beat the Spurs. The Spurs can say Ginobili was out and Duncan wasn't 100%, but then the Mavs can turn around and say Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George were out too. At the end of the day, it's about execution, and the Mavs did that.

:lmao So Stackhouse and George = Duncan and Ginobili? I agree with the last statement but don't equate the Mavs' injuries with the Spurs' injuries.

[Findog]

:lmao so stackhouse and george = duncan and ginobili? I agree with the last statement but don't equate the mavs' injuries with the spurs' injuries.

yhbt. Hand.

[td4mvp21]

yhbt. Hand.

How profound.

[dirk4mvp]

How stupid do you have to be to have Hubie do that do you?

[JoseJuanJesusBarea]

Spurs problem was defense. Jason Terry and Dirk both had a god awful series and yet Dallas easily took care of business in 5 quick games with their bench and role players making the difference.

It's an easy built in excuse to have that Manu was hurt and TD wasn't 100% but guess what? Every team has injuries and no one is 100%. When you have everyone camping out at the 3 point line tossing up bricks, you aren't going to win shit.

[jjktkk]

Spurs problem was defense. Jason Terry and Dirk both had a god awful series and yet Dallas easily took care of business in 5 quick games with their bench and role players making the difference.

It's an easy built in excuse to have that Manu was hurt and TD wasn't 100% but guess what? Every team has injuries and no one is 100%. When you have everyone camping out at the 3 point line tossing up bricks, you aren't going to win shit.

So please remind me what exactly has Dallas Won? Do the Mavs have a trophy case? Anything in the trophy case?

[exstatic]

Spurs problem was defense. Jason Terry and Dirk both had a god awful series and yet Dallas easily took care of business in 5 quick games with their bench and role players making the difference.

It's an easy built in excuse to have that Manu was hurt and TD wasn't 100% but guess what? Every team has injuries and no one is 100%. When you have everyone camping out at the 3 point line tossing up bricks, you aren't going to win shit.

Games 1 and 4 were both in reach. The Spurs were getting stops, they just couldn't put the ball in the hole. They'd be down 3, and get a stop. Then they wouldn't score. Dallas would score a bucket. Spurs would score and get a stop, and then not score. That's Manu time. Let me re-quote part of your post.

When you have everyone camping out at the 3 point line tossing up bricks, you aren't going to win shit.

I couldn't agree with you more, which is exactly why Manu makes a difference. While he can shoot the 3, he uses it to keep the defense honest for his drives into the teeth of the D, into the deep paint area. That's where he lives and breathes. To think that subtracting a 3rd team All NBA guard wouldn't make a difference in the outcome of this series is the height of arrogance, but I guess we should expect that from insecure neurotic Mavs fan.

[spurtech09]

healthy spurs???probably not....manu would destroy the mavs all by himself.....ginobili!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The simple fact that Mavfan can look back on the series and undoubtedly say that Erick Dampier held Tim Duncan in check, again and again, 1on1, automatically tells you how much they were jizzing in their pants about how they owned us yet again.

All else is just extra bull crap. They owned us, in the general mind of nbafan. end of story.

[underdawg]

The simple fact that Mavfan can look back on the series and undoubtedly say that Erick Dampier held Tim Duncan in check, again and again, 1on1, automatically tells you how much they were jizzing in their pants about how they owned us yet again.

All else is just extra bull crap. They owned us, in the general mind of nbafan. end of story.

what exactly did they own? a broken Spurs team - yipee!

[Phenomanul]

I seem to recall a game last year where Ginobili singlehandedly beat Dallas at Dallas (dropping 37)... And if I also recall, one of the big-3 didn't play in that game...

That is the ingredient that would have taken the Spurs to a rematch with the Lakers...

[jjktkk]

I don't why I didn't think of this sooner. These Mav fans know their team isn't going to win a championship anytime soon, so beating the Spurs is their championship. Poor Mav fans. :depressed

[Cant_Be_Faded]

what exactly did they own? a broken Spurs team - yipee!

you really think thats the way the majority of nbafans see it as?

They just saw the scores, the rebounds, the ft's...the mavs crushed us. Amongst the people who actually watched the series, which is only mav and spurs fans, we saw Dampier fucking rock Duncan 1 on 1 the entire series until the last 5 minutes. Yipee indeed.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not sure why some fans can't just be happy that their team advanced. I guarantee you if the Spurs had managed to win, I'd be thinking about Denver and not worrying about my team getting recognition for winning a fucking first round series.

[Ignignokt]

the mavs like to talk about the now, but if they dont win now, next year we'll be back at it again. still sucks to be mavfan.

Stephen jackson! lol!

Dirk is a pussy!

[BUMP]

:lmao :lmao :lmao at people actually arguing with a Hubie Brown troll

[spursfan09]

Mavs took advantage of Spurs injuries/weaknesses. What? were they suppose to lose some games because Manu was out? I don't think so. Mav's took care of the Spurs and are moving on. Oh well. Now Spurs have an oppurtunity to take a look at the players they have, the system they used and do something about it. Was this first round series such a big deal?

[JoseJuanJesusBarea]

So please remind me what exactly has Dallas Won? Do the Mavs have a trophy case? Anything in the trophy case?

I love the more simple minded Spurs fans here, present anything logical to them and their only response is some irrelevant comment about how many banners are hanging in the AAC.

To answer your irrelevant question, no, Dallas doesn't have any NBA titles in their trophy case. But at least they are still alive for one this year and weren't outplayed by one of the worst benches and collection of role players in the NBA to the tune of an easy 4-1 series win. The Mavs have to put Terry on the bench at the start of games just because the backup guys are so inconsistent at doing anything. He had a terrible series and yet the bench still dominated. That is sad. And that is why Manu would have made no difference in the overall outcome. Might have been a closer series, maybe SA wins more than 1 game but Mavs still prevail.

[BUMP]

Would a healthy Manu mean a Spurs series win?

HELL NO! we might've won in 6 instead of 5, but your starting center is still a soft 3 point shooter and Manu is still a choker.

If you think a soft Euro on one-leg is gonna be your savior than you guys are even dumber than i thought and thats saying something when one of your smartest posters is arguing feverishly with an obvious blatant troll. :lmao

[spursfan09]

Would a healthy Manu mean a Spurs series win?

HELL NO! we might've won in 6 instead of 5, but your starting center is still a soft 3 point shooter and Manu is still a choker.

If you think a soft Euro on one-leg is gonna be your savior than you guys are even dumber than i thought and thats saying something when one of your smartest posters is arguing feverishly with an obvious blatant troll. :lmao


:lol wow

I can't believe you said that. I know you are referring to 06 when he fouled Dirk, but he has won since then. He is no choker. What the hell has Dirk done to redeem himself? He's a choker

This is why I don't like the mavs, thier dumb ass fans who don't know shit about what they're talking about

[UltimA]

I'm sorry, what is this thread about again? We have the Denver Nuggets to worry about now.There's no reason to worry, it's obvious they have you beat by game six.

The Spurs not having Manu was extremely huge, and if you ask me - The Spurs would have won if they had him healthy.

[Shank]

Guess we'll never know, so who gives a hypothetical shit?

[freemeat]

Guess we'll never know, so who gives a hypothetical shit?

Exactly. It's ridiculous to argue either way. I'd love to see a re-match next season, though, with both teams at 100%. Throw in a few off-season moves (does Kidd come back for Dal? Spurs bring back Bown/sign another big?) and hopefully both teams meet again in the playoffs...completely healthy.

[BWS-1994]

I love the more simple minded Spurs fans here, present anything logical to them and their only response is some irrelevant comment about how many banners are hanging in the AAC.

To answer your irrelevant question, no, Dallas doesn't have any NBA titles in their trophy case. But at least they are still alive for one this year and weren't outplayed by one of the worst benches and collection of role players in the NBA to the tune of an easy 4-1 series win. The Mavs have to put Terry on the bench at the start of games just because the backup guys are so inconsistent at doing anything. He had a terrible series and yet the bench still dominated. That is sad. And that is why Manu would have made no difference in the overall outcome. Might have been a closer series, maybe SA wins more than 1 game but Mavs still prevail.

You don't think a healthy Manu wouldn't have given the Spurs at least the same production as the Mavs bench?

[benefactor]

lol utsa
lol Cowboys
lol Rangers

[JoseJuanJesusBarea]

You don't think a healthy Manu wouldn't have given the Spurs at least the same production as the Mavs bench?

Who knows? Just because he is there doesn't mean he will make a difference. Dirk and Terry had a terrible series. Dirk because the Spurs threw their entire defense at him, and Terry just played like ass and bricked almost everything. Who is to say Manu doesn't stink it up?

Furthermore if Manu is in and playing great, does Parker score 29 points a game and take more shots than anyone in the postseason not named Wade? No. So it's not like you just take the Spurs current production and add on top of that whatever Manu scores.

Spurs were banged up, but the Mavs 2 best players hardly showed up and they still easily won the series in 5. If you guys want to think one guy would have vastly changed that then go ahead.

[Findog]

There's no reason to worry, it's obvious they have you beat by game six.

My prediction is Nuggets in 7 - but a Mavs series victory would not surprise me. Either way, the Mavs will put up a better fight than your team, which will be lucky to avoid the sweep.


The Spurs not having Manu was extremely huge, and if you ask me - The Spurs would have won if they had him healthy.

Quite a few Spurs fans don't share that opinion. The Mavs couldn't worry about who was or wasn't available for San Antonio. They had to beat them and they did.

[Obstructed_View]

The Mavs couldn't worry about who was or wasn't available for San Antonio. They had to beat them and they did.
Precisely. A fully healthy Spurs team would likely not have been as good a test as the upcoming Nuggets team.

[Sean Cagney]

Who knows? Just because he is there doesn't mean he will make a difference. Dirk and Terry had a terrible series. Dirk because the Spurs threw their entire defense at him, and Terry just played like ass and bricked almost everything. Who is to say Manu doesn't stink it up?

Furthermore if Manu is in and playing great, does Parker score 29 points a game and take more shots than anyone in the postseason not named Wade? No. So it's not like you just take the Spurs current production and add on top of that whatever Manu scores.

Spurs were banged up, but the Mavs 2 best players hardly showed up and they still easily won the series in 5. If you guys want to think one guy would have vastly changed that then go ahead.
Even if Manu stinks it up he still does better than Mason or Finley out there, easily! He could have stunk it up, but in the playoffs with Manu I doubt it if healthy. He makes a difference in this series (Maybe they lose in 7 but still) and him not being out there was huge. No coincidence they are 32-12 with him this year and alot worse without him, he is a big part of their team. Take Howard out of your lineup or Terry for a series, tell me they don't make a difference.

BTW Timmy was fukked up too, he was clearly not 100%, but thats life and it happens to every team sometime or another. Spurs lost, thats all I know.

[easy7]

In other news, Mavs would have beaten the Heat in 2006 if they had not lost the series, 4-2.

[Avitus1]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Obstructed_View]

In other news, Mavs would have beaten the Heat in 2006 if they had not lost the series, 4-2.

You sure hear a lot of Mavs fans say that the Spurs wouldn't have won the '07 championship if Dallas hadn't gotten eliminated in the first round.

[Sean Cagney]

You sure hear a lot of Mavs fans say that the Spurs wouldn't have won the '07 championship if Dallas hadn't gotten eliminated in the first round.

Like it even matters since they were out! Handle their business and they are there to play us. The year before went 7 and OT as we all know, how do they know for sure they would have won when it was that close? :lol:lol. I never got that, teams were around evenly matched, Spurs still could have won it all if Dallas was in there in 07. Oh yeah don't forget the whole Dirk got hurt thing in 03 too, like the Spurs were not in control off the first three games when he was out there, one of their stupid blown big leads cost them that game one and they did that from time to time that year, frontline was way too tough.